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There is an argument that the state needs to support a level of breeding necessary to ensure the population is maintained at a suitable level. But the current system just isn't fit for purposeTCPoliticalBetting said:Caught up with Panorama. Family of 3, father works at Tesco. Get £7,000 a year subsidy....
The "advisor" is from the left wing Rowntree mob, paid up sponsors of the Lib Dems...
Now why do people think that it is the role of Govt to fund their breeding? if you can only afford 1 kid stop. If you cannot afford to have any then do not have them. I have two, that is expensive enough! (Rant over)0 -
The GovNet event is about to start at the LibDem conference with Sir Bob Worcester.woody662 said:
Would want to see the trend in 2 or 3 polls before drawing conclusions bearing in mind the bouncy nature of these polls.david_herdson said:I don't know if this has been mentioned downthread (apologies for being late to the party), but the reduction in LD-Lab switching is not the only reason for the Tory lead in the latest Ashcroft poll; the 2010 retention figures are:
Con 68%
Lab 64%
(LD 24%) !!
Despite Labour polling poorly in 2010, they've still managed to lose a greater proportion of voters than the Tories, despite the presence of UKIP and the fact that swing voters were disproportionately Blue last time.
Even excluding Don't Knows and Won't Votes (which is a dubious thing to do if we're talking about people who did vote last time), it's still even stevens in terms of retention.
In fact, UKIP is not much of a net factor either, with the Tories having lost 14% of their vote to the Purples, as against 11% for Labour. OK, still a net Labour gain (more so as it's a bigger share of a bigger number for the Cons), but it's still pretty tight.
Talking of conference, the Mori meeting at the Tory conference had Bob Worcester and Lord Ashcroft in the same room which was an interesting clash of the titans. Wish he had gone into more depth n the Ukip Lib Dems swapping poll positions prediction. Wonder if he would do anything for the site?
Any questions you would like me to ask?
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Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
This is the Gordon Brown unintentional tax credit trap. While you have children they make your minumum wage up to somewhere between £30k and £50k gross equivalent depending how many you have.FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama pushing a certain political line again. You have to listen really carefully to some of the examples to catch what has really happened.
e.g A couple lost tax credits and now in "poverty" on a debt management plan, despite earning £25k (not a lot, but I don't think most would think that is poverty, especially as they aren't in London). How awful, nasty government.
Why....because in the good times they ran up £26k in debts and were already only just making the repayments.
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!0 -
With the current level of immigration, I don't think anyone's worrying about maintaining the population above a suitable level.oxfordsimon said:
There is an argument that the state needs to support a level of breeding necessary to ensure the population is maintained at a suitable level. But the current system just isn't fit for purposeTCPoliticalBetting said:Caught up with Panorama. Family of 3, father works at Tesco. Get £7,000 a year subsidy....
The "advisor" is from the left wing Rowntree mob, paid up sponsors of the Lib Dems...
Now why do people think that it is the role of Govt to fund their breeding? if you can only afford 1 kid stop. If you cannot afford to have any then do not have them. I have two, that is expensive enough! (Rant over)0 -
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
This is the Gordon Brown unintentional tax credit trap. While you have children they make your minumum wage up to somewhere between £30k and £50k gross equivalent depending how many you have.FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama pushing a certain political line again. You have to listen really carefully to some of the examples to catch what has really happened.
e.g A couple lost tax credits and now in "poverty" on a debt management plan, despite earning £25k (not a lot, but I don't think most would think that is poverty, especially as they aren't in London). How awful, nasty government.
Why....because in the good times they ran up £26k in debts and were already only just making the repayments.
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
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The debates are what would have got non-political-anoraks involved though.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dave, in that case I'd say you're right about the cause, and stand corrected. Can't imagine the Farage debates helped Clegg regain lost ground, but that's another matter.
Wikipedia says Mr Clegg challenged Mr Farage on 20 February.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#Debates0 -
What issues does he expect in a 1, 2, 3,4 order does he expect Voters at GE2015 to have?Verulamius said:
The GovNet event is about to start at the LibDem conference with Sir Bob Worcester.woody662 said:
Would want to see the trend in 2 or 3 polls before drawing conclusions bearing in mind the bouncy nature of these polls.david_herdson said:I don't know if this has been mentioned downthread (apologies for being late to the party), but the reduction in LD-Lab switching is not the only reason for the Tory lead in the latest Ashcroft poll; the 2010 retention figures are:
Con 68%
Lab 64%
(LD 24%) !!
Despite Labour polling poorly in 2010, they've still managed to lose a greater proportion of voters than the Tories, despite the presence of UKIP and the fact that swing voters were disproportionately Blue last time.
Even excluding Don't Knows and Won't Votes (which is a dubious thing to do if we're talking about people who did vote last time), it's still even stevens in terms of retention.
In fact, UKIP is not much of a net factor either, with the Tories having lost 14% of their vote to the Purples, as against 11% for Labour. OK, still a net Labour gain (more so as it's a bigger share of a bigger number for the Cons), but it's still pretty tight.
Talking of conference, the Mori meeting at the Tory conference had Bob Worcester and Lord Ashcroft in the same room which was an interesting clash of the titans. Wish he had gone into more depth n the Ukip Lib Dems swapping poll positions prediction. Wonder if he would do anything for the site?
Any questions you would like me to ask?
Does he expect the NHS to be ahead of the Economy?
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But you need workers not shirkers.oxfordsimon said:
There is an argument that the state needs to support a level of breeding necessary to ensure the population is maintained at a suitable level. But the current system just isn't fit for purposeTCPoliticalBetting said:Caught up with Panorama. Family of 3, father works at Tesco. Get £7,000 a year subsidy....
The "advisor" is from the left wing Rowntree mob, paid up sponsors of the Lib Dems...
Now why do people think that it is the role of Govt to fund their breeding? if you can only afford 1 kid stop. If you cannot afford to have any then do not have them. I have two, that is expensive enough! (Rant over)
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Should we read anything into the fact the Sun and Tom Newton Dunn haven't trailed tonight's YouGov?0
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What vote shares is he predicting and who will the Lib Dems recover their votes fromTCPoliticalBetting said:
What issues does he expect in a 1, 2, 3,4 order does he expect Voters at GE2015 to have?Verulamius said:
The GovNet event is about to start at the LibDem conference with Sir Bob Worcester.woody662 said:
Would want to see the trend in 2 or 3 polls before drawing conclusions bearing in mind the bouncy nature of these polls.david_herdson said:I don't know if this has been mentioned downthread (apologies for being late to the party), but the reduction in LD-Lab switching is not the only reason for the Tory lead in the latest Ashcroft poll; the 2010 retention figures are:
Con 68%
Lab 64%
(LD 24%) !!
Despite Labour polling poorly in 2010, they've still managed to lose a greater proportion of voters than the Tories, despite the presence of UKIP and the fact that swing voters were disproportionately Blue last time.
Even excluding Don't Knows and Won't Votes (which is a dubious thing to do if we're talking about people who did vote last time), it's still even stevens in terms of retention.
In fact, UKIP is not much of a net factor either, with the Tories having lost 14% of their vote to the Purples, as against 11% for Labour. OK, still a net Labour gain (more so as it's a bigger share of a bigger number for the Cons), but it's still pretty tight.
Talking of conference, the Mori meeting at the Tory conference had Bob Worcester and Lord Ashcroft in the same room which was an interesting clash of the titans. Wish he had gone into more depth n the Ukip Lib Dems swapping poll positions prediction. Wonder if he would do anything for the site?
Any questions you would like me to ask?
Does he expect the NHS to be ahead of the Economy?0 -
I would like to think that the LDs explaining how europhile they are helped drive down their vote.anotherDave said:
The debates were 26 March, and 2 April but the LDs poll decline seems to have been underway in the first months of 2014.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dave, be hard to entangle, but it could also be due to the debate Clegg had with Farage.
Their EU Parliament campaign was running back in February.....
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Back to Labour 3 point lead?___Bobajob___ said:Should we read anything into the fact the Sun and Tom Newton Dunn haven't trailed tonight's YouGov?
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I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)0 -
What has been driving the decline in the LD poll numbers?Verulamius said:
The GovNet event is about to start at the LibDem conference with Sir Bob Worcester.woody662 said:
Would want to see the trend in 2 or 3 polls before drawing conclusions bearing in mind the bouncy nature of these polls.david_herdson said:I don't know if this has been mentioned downthread (apologies for being late to the party), but the reduction in LD-Lab switching is not the only reason for the Tory lead in the latest Ashcroft poll; the 2010 retention figures are:
Con 68%
Lab 64%
(LD 24%) !!
Despite Labour polling poorly in 2010, they've still managed to lose a greater proportion of voters than the Tories, despite the presence of UKIP and the fact that swing voters were disproportionately Blue last time.
Even excluding Don't Knows and Won't Votes (which is a dubious thing to do if we're talking about people who did vote last time), it's still even stevens in terms of retention.
In fact, UKIP is not much of a net factor either, with the Tories having lost 14% of their vote to the Purples, as against 11% for Labour. OK, still a net Labour gain (more so as it's a bigger share of a bigger number for the Cons), but it's still pretty tight.
Talking of conference, the Mori meeting at the Tory conference had Bob Worcester and Lord Ashcroft in the same room which was an interesting clash of the titans. Wish he had gone into more depth n the Ukip Lib Dems swapping poll positions prediction. Wonder if he would do anything for the site?
Any questions you would like me to ask?
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Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)0 -
I'd agree about wanting to see a few more polls before drawing conclusions, and it has to be said that the numbers in these sub-samples are small. Still, there's been a trend across many pollsters that it's the Lab 2010 part of Labour's current support which is the weakest section, not the switchers to them since then.woody662 said:
Would want to see the trend in 2 or 3 polls before drawing conclusions bearing in mind the bouncy nature of these polls.david_herdson said:I don't know if this has been mentioned downthread (apologies for being late to the party), but the reduction in LD-Lab switching is not the only reason for the Tory lead in the latest Ashcroft poll; the 2010 retention figures are:
Con 68%
Lab 64%
(LD 24%) !!
Despite Labour polling poorly in 2010, they've still managed to lose a greater proportion of voters than the Tories, despite the presence of UKIP and the fact that swing voters were disproportionately Blue last time.
Even excluding Don't Knows and Won't Votes (which is a dubious thing to do if we're talking about people who did vote last time), it's still even stevens in terms of retention.
In fact, UKIP is not much of a net factor either, with the Tories having lost 14% of their vote to the Purples, as against 11% for Labour. OK, still a net Labour gain (more so as it's a bigger share of a bigger number for the Cons), but it's still pretty tight.
Talking of conference, the Mori meeting at the Tory conference had Bob Worcester and Lord Ashcroft in the same room which was an interesting clash of the titans. Wish he had gone into more depth n the Ukip Lib Dems swapping poll positions prediction. Wonder if he would do anything for the site?0 -
LOL
Not keen on Mr Weller myself - bar Wild Wood.isam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)0 -
e.g A couple lost tax credits and now in "poverty" on a debt management plan, despite earning £25k (not a lot, but I don't think most would think that is poverty, especially as they aren't in London). How awful, nasty government.
Why....because in the good times they ran up £26k in debts and were already only just making the repayments.
This is the Gordon Brown unintentional tax credit trap. While you have children they make your minumum wage up to somewhere between £30k and £50k gross equivalent depending how many you have.
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
Saturdays Kids
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
Paul Weller, a modern poet?
Had a love affair with Nina
In the back of my Cortina
Romance Ian Dury style0 -
isam said:
I saw them at least 6 times from 1978. Once drove 100 miles to see them. Thick as Thieves summed up friends. That's Entertainment was life. Mr Sheen whilst working in an office.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I think so!isam said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sisam said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!isam said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,antifrank said:
Saturdays KidsItajai said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.FrancisUrquhart said:
..../blockquote>Paul_Mid_Beds said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
Fav? Away from the Numbers.0 -
That's his best solo album by a mile in my opinion...probably the album I've listened to most in my life... I love the three songs in the middle, "All the pictures on the wall", "Has my fire really gone out", & "Country"Plato said:LOL
Not keen on Mr Weller myself - bar Wild Wood.isam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
My mate always used to sing "Chicken Fried Rice with a plastic spoon" instead of "People fly by in the traffics boom", and his sister thought they were the real words! "Oh he is spot on that's just how we eat it!"0 -
I'm going for a bore draw.FrancisUrquhart said:
Back to Labour 3 point lead?___Bobajob___ said:Should we read anything into the fact the Sun and Tom Newton Dunn haven't trailed tonight's YouGov?
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Fox News trailing an interview with Piers Morgan, who has apparently penned an article hostile to Obama.
Piers Morgan? who'd a thunk it.0 -
Plato said:
LOL
Not keen on Mr Weller myself - bar Wild Wood.
Ah our "English Rose". Why not "Fly"? (All Mod Cons)isam said:TCPoliticalBetting said:
I think so!isam said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sisam said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!isam said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,antifrank said:
Saturdays KidsItajai said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
................
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)0 -
Corporeal is at the meeting with Sir Bob Worcester
Tom @PBcorporeal
SBW: holds firm to view cleggasm was real and if election held earlier would've held up.0 -
I presume this is his new role at the Daily Mail, where they have given him some important sounding title, to basically write a column about life in the US. I presume they are confident that there is no chance he will have to return to the UK on a full time basis.Tim_B said:Fox News trailing an interview with Piers Morgan, who has apparently penned an article hostile to Obama.
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I'm predicting a double digit Labour leadpeter_from_putney said:
I'm going for a bore draw.FrancisUrquhart said:
Back to Labour 3 point lead?___Bobajob___ said:Should we read anything into the fact the Sun and Tom Newton Dunn haven't trailed tonight's YouGov?
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Key points so far
Mori and NOP have been commissioned to do the 2015 exit poll as 2010.
In 2010 people voted for parties because of 39% issues, 39% party leader, 22% values. But that might have been affected by the Cleggasm.0 -
That makes sense to me. I thin I'm right in saying that LD>Lab switchers are more favourable towards Ed than those who voted for them last time. For all the talk of a core vote strategy I can well believe those who stayed loyal to Brown wouldn't have been impressed by Ed's conference effort.david_herdson said:
I'd agree about wanting to see a few more polls before drawing conclusions, and it has to be said that the numbers in these sub-samples are small. Still, there's been a trend across many pollsters that it's the Lab 2010 part of Labour's current support which is the weakest section, not the switchers to them since then.woody662 said:
Would want to see the trend in 2 or 3 polls before drawing conclusions bearing in mind the bouncy nature of these polls.david_herdson said:I don't know if this has been mentioned downthread (apologies for being late to the party), but the reduction in LD-Lab switching is not the only reason for the Tory lead in the latest Ashcroft poll; the 2010 retention figures are:
Con 68%
Lab 64%
(LD 24%) !!
Despite Labour polling poorly in 2010, they've still managed to lose a greater proportion of voters than the Tories, despite the presence of UKIP and the fact that swing voters were disproportionately Blue last time.
Even excluding Don't Knows and Won't Votes (which is a dubious thing to do if we're talking about people who did vote last time), it's still even stevens in terms of retention.
In fact, UKIP is not much of a net factor either, with the Tories having lost 14% of their vote to the Purples, as against 11% for Labour. OK, still a net Labour gain (more so as it's a bigger share of a bigger number for the Cons), but it's still pretty tight.
Talking of conference, the Mori meeting at the Tory conference had Bob Worcester and Lord Ashcroft in the same room which was an interesting clash of the titans. Wish he had gone into more depth n the Ukip Lib Dems swapping poll positions prediction. Wonder if he would do anything for the site?0 -
TCPoliticalBetting said:
Bit too young to see The Jam or TSC, would've loved to, but I have seen Weller solo a few times... Hard to pick a favourite song... I really loved "Dream Time" cause I used to get bad anxiety attacks, and that is Weller describing one..isam said:
I saw them at least 6 times from 1978. Once drove 100 miles to see them. Thick as Thieves summed up friends. That's Entertainment was life. Mr Sheen whilst working in an office.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I think so!isam said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sisam said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,TCPoliticalBetting said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!isam said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,antifrank said:
Saturdays KidsItajai said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.FrancisUrquhart said:
..../blockquote>Paul_Mid_Beds said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
Fav? Away from the Numbers.
"Oh boy its a tough tough world, but you gotta be tough with it!"
Too many favs to pick one.. and non Jam fans will get the ump
"I could go on for hours and I probably will...!"0 -
YouGov late?0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm predicting a double digit Labour leadpeter_from_putney said:
I'm going for a bore draw.FrancisUrquhart said:
Back to Labour 3 point lead?___Bobajob___ said:Should we read anything into the fact the Sun and Tom Newton Dunn haven't trailed tonight's YouGov?
poll has gone missing?
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5 point labour lead i would presume if yougov is this late.
It was good while it lasted0 -
Another feelgood NFL story. The 4 year old daughter of a Bengals player has advanced cancer, and the club are encouraging people to buy his jersey to raise money for her.
The Bengals played at the Patriots yesterday, and The Patriots cheerleaders wore his Bengals jersey.
He was reduced to tears and most of us watching had something in out eye too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782061/Patriots-cheerleaders-reduce-Bengals-Devon-Still-tears-touching-tribute-young-daughter-battling-cancer.html
In an incredibly dumb move, the city of Seattle is going to vote whether to ditch Columbus Day in favor of Indigenous People Day0 -
C in the past year have moved up from 30% in March 13 to 33% in average polls. Main shift in July 2013, r2 coeffecient is .37 with economy.0
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@___Bobajob___
Slot machines only make loud noises when there is a winner, they keep fairly quiet otherwise.0 -
blame my swatch___Bobajob___ said:YouGov late?
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Not sure we can read that into it. Weird that it is MIA however!woody662 said:5 point labour lead i would presume if yougov is this late.
It was good while it lasted
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Whilst we wait for no more X but I I from You Gov....
Let's spot some irony or is it hypocrisy?
Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Watch the #BattleForClacton on BBC. Establishment party candidates back 12,000 extra houses for #Clacton. Its a clear choice on Thursday.
.@CCHQPress I am sorry to see my former party resorting the precisely the kind of bogus smears that Labour uses against you.0 -
Yeah but the flashing's still cool.Smarmeron said:@___Bobajob___
Slot machines only make loud noises when there is a winner, they keep fairly quiet otherwise.
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From the SunScrapheap_as_was said:Whilst we wait for no more X but I I from You Gov....
Let's spot some irony or is it hypocrisy?
Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Watch the #BattleForClacton on BBC. Establishment party candidates back 12,000 extra houses for #Clacton. Its a clear choice on Thursday.
.@CCHQPress I am sorry to see my former party resorting the precisely the kind of bogus smears that Labour uses against you.
TORY turncoat Douglas Carswell has been slammed for signing off an attack on Ukip just weeks before defecting to them.
He said he was “delighted” with a letter written by Essex councillor and former Bread actor Giles Watling.
Mr Watling is now standing for the Tories against Mr Carswell in Thursday’s Clacton by-election.
Mr Watling’s note said Ukip “have no cogent thought on politics” and that voting for them made a Labour government more likely.
He sent it to Mr Carswell on July 29 for his approval, and was told: “That reads very well and I would be delighted if you were to send it to the Press.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5975291/tory-defector-douglas-carswell-backed-attack-on-ukip.html0 -
Just going through sept mori and other polls. So nothing new0
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Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick
Tuesday's Times front page - "Grandees turn on Miliband" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/VHKXV7SO1v
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@___Bobajob___
It isn't MIA, it gets posted early if it will bolster the number of readers, otherwise it stays embargoed.
(works both ways, Lab or Con)0 -
I posted a while back that a friend in Frinton is voting UKIP now, but will be going back to the blues for the generalisam said:
To be fair I canvassed in Frinton on Friday and the response was about 60-40 UKIP-Con with zero Labours.. maybe that might be influencing me too much, as Frinton is the poshest part of the constituency.MikeSmithson said:
Thanks for this which I am pondering over. I think that CON will come 2nd with LAB 3rd but the polling difference wasn't that great, 5%, that the risk is too great compared with the potential reward.isam said:
I thought that at first but I'd plump for selling Labour at 2Pulpstar said:
Buy Conservatives @ 8.5 ?isam said:Well I haven't got a Sporting Index account, but there is a mahoooooooooosive bet available on those by election markets in my opinion
If you think the Conservatives might sneak it I suppose you might buy them, if you think UKIP have it in the bag, sell Labour
Either way I think its free money
In any case the Spanish don't let me contact UK bookmaker sites.0 -
Tykejohnne Is Prescott now a 'grandee'?0
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Cool, thanks for the info - so I don't have to shove my swatch up my ass till midnight??Smarmeron said:@___Bobajob___
It isn't MIA, it gets posted early if it will bolster the number of readers, otherwise it stays embargoed.
(works both ways, Lab or Con)
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Rev O nails the turncoat!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
From the SunScrapheap_as_was said:Whilst we wait for no more X but I I from You Gov....
Let's spot some irony or is it hypocrisy?
Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Watch the #BattleForClacton on BBC. Establishment party candidates back 12,000 extra houses for #Clacton. Its a clear choice on Thursday.
.@CCHQPress I am sorry to see my former party resorting the precisely the kind of bogus smears that Labour uses against you.
TORY turncoat Douglas Carswell has been slammed for signing off an attack on Ukip just weeks before defecting to them.
He said he was “delighted” with a letter written by Essex councillor and former Bread actor Giles Watling.
Mr Watling is now standing for the Tories against Mr Carswell in Thursday’s Clacton by-election.
Mr Watling’s note said Ukip “have no cogent thought on politics” and that voting for them made a Labour government more likely.
He sent it to Mr Carswell on July 29 for his approval, and was told: “That reads very well and I would be delighted if you were to send it to the Press.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5975291/tory-defector-douglas-carswell-backed-attack-on-ukip.html
Tipping point....0 -
The Tme's thinks so ;-)HYUFD said:Tykejohnne Is Prescott now a 'grandee'?
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What do you expect from a traitorous pig dog.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Rev O nails the turncoat!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
From the SunScrapheap_as_was said:Whilst we wait for no more X but I I from You Gov....
Let's spot some irony or is it hypocrisy?
Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Watch the #BattleForClacton on BBC. Establishment party candidates back 12,000 extra houses for #Clacton. Its a clear choice on Thursday.
.@CCHQPress I am sorry to see my former party resorting the precisely the kind of bogus smears that Labour uses against you.
TORY turncoat Douglas Carswell has been slammed for signing off an attack on Ukip just weeks before defecting to them.
He said he was “delighted” with a letter written by Essex councillor and former Bread actor Giles Watling.
Mr Watling is now standing for the Tories against Mr Carswell in Thursday’s Clacton by-election.
Mr Watling’s note said Ukip “have no cogent thought on politics” and that voting for them made a Labour government more likely.
He sent it to Mr Carswell on July 29 for his approval, and was told: “That reads very well and I would be delighted if you were to send it to the Press.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5975291/tory-defector-douglas-carswell-backed-attack-on-ukip.html
Tipping point....0 -
It's up on Twitter at 2155 every night as a rule - so now very late. It does appear to be AWOL unless they aren't doing a poll for some reason. @thescreamingeagles may be able to clarify?Smarmeron said:@___Bobajob___
It isn't MIA, it gets posted early if it will bolster the number of readers, otherwise it stays embargoed.
(works both ways, Lab or Con)0 -
Its almost as if he was a Conservative then he left and joined UKIP!Scrapheap_as_was said:
Rev O nails the turncoat!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
From the SunScrapheap_as_was said:Whilst we wait for no more X but I I from You Gov....
Let's spot some irony or is it hypocrisy?
Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Watch the #BattleForClacton on BBC. Establishment party candidates back 12,000 extra houses for #Clacton. Its a clear choice on Thursday.
.@CCHQPress I am sorry to see my former party resorting the precisely the kind of bogus smears that Labour uses against you.
TORY turncoat Douglas Carswell has been slammed for signing off an attack on Ukip just weeks before defecting to them.
He said he was “delighted” with a letter written by Essex councillor and former Bread actor Giles Watling.
Mr Watling is now standing for the Tories against Mr Carswell in Thursday’s Clacton by-election.
Mr Watling’s note said Ukip “have no cogent thought on politics” and that voting for them made a Labour government more likely.
He sent it to Mr Carswell on July 29 for his approval, and was told: “That reads very well and I would be delighted if you were to send it to the Press.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5975291/tory-defector-douglas-carswell-backed-attack-on-ukip.html
Tipping point....0 -
I'm equally curious about the drip feed of the ICM0
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I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
And as I look at you and I fall under your spell
Well I know I should be thinking of her lying there herself
And when faced with temptation you know a man should stand and fight
But you will be my downfall tonight
Be my downfall
Be my great regret
Be the one girl
That I'll never forget
Be my undoing
Be my slow road to ruin tonightnigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)0 -
Tykejohnno Well he is now 'his Lordship' I suppose0
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BBC Look East @BBCLookEast
The @BBCLookEast #battleofclacton special is at 2235 on BBC1 East... the candidates are feisty. pic.twitter.com/RColVwBgHm
Rev O's forgotten his dog-collar....0 -
There should be one, and I've not heard anything to the contrary, Last month, they posted their poll late (around 22.20)___Bobajob___ said:
It's up on Twitter at 2155 every night as a rule - so now very late. It does appear to be AWOL unless they aren't doing a poll for some reason. @thescreamingeagles may be able to clarify?Smarmeron said:@___Bobajob___
It isn't MIA, it gets posted early if it will bolster the number of readers, otherwise it stays embargoed.
(works both ways, Lab or Con)0 -
Show me the Yougov......Show me the Yougov!!!!0
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Not sure smarmy is right TBH - it's been up by 2200 Mon-Thu for ages. Only the Sunday Times poll is usually embargoedJBriskin said:
Cool, thanks for the info - so I don't have to shove my swatch up my ass till midnight??Smarmeron said:@___Bobajob___
It isn't MIA, it gets posted early if it will bolster the number of readers, otherwise it stays embargoed.
(works both ways, Lab or Con)
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Thats fair comment and of course the child(ren) in question did not ask to be born and used as cash cows; they deserve some support. I suppose we should also consider how widespread this issue is. The point is that welfare should be a safety net, one that is to our advantage in that it stabilises society and any of us might need it sometime. Welfare is not a measure to make claimants equal to non claimants.oxfordsimon said:
There is an argument that the state needs to support a level of breeding necessary to ensure the population is maintained at a suitable level. But the current system just isn't fit for purposeTCPoliticalBetting said:Caught up with Panorama. Family of 3, father works at Tesco. Get £7,000 a year subsidy....
The "advisor" is from the left wing Rowntree mob, paid up sponsors of the Lib Dems...
Now why do people think that it is the role of Govt to fund their breeding? if you can only afford 1 kid stop. If you cannot afford to have any then do not have them. I have two, that is expensive enough! (Rant over)0 -
Spoken like a true Customer Service drone Smarmy - honestly, where would the world be without your type?0
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Thanks TSETheScreamingEagles said:
There should be one, and I've not heard anything to the contrary, Last month, they posted their poll late (around 22.20)___Bobajob___ said:
It's up on Twitter at 2155 every night as a rule - so now very late. It does appear to be AWOL unless they aren't doing a poll for some reason. @thescreamingeagles may be able to clarify?Smarmeron said:@___Bobajob___
It isn't MIA, it gets posted early if it will bolster the number of readers, otherwise it stays embargoed.
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If Frinton goes purple then Rev O is burnt toast..... shame, I've taken to him as a top geezer on his campaign. Plus I'd have won nearly £5k now if he'd pulled off a miracleFloater said:
I posted a while back that a friend in Frinton is voting UKIP now, but will be going back to the blues for the generalisam said:
To be fair I canvassed in Frinton on Friday and the response was about 60-40 UKIP-Con with zero Labours.. maybe that might be influencing me too much, as Frinton is the poshest part of the constituency.MikeSmithson said:
Thanks for this which I am pondering over. I think that CON will come 2nd with LAB 3rd but the polling difference wasn't that great, 5%, that the risk is too great compared with the potential reward.isam said:
I thought that at first but I'd plump for selling Labour at 2Pulpstar said:
Buy Conservatives @ 8.5 ?isam said:Well I haven't got a Sporting Index account, but there is a mahoooooooooosive bet available on those by election markets in my opinion
If you think the Conservatives might sneak it I suppose you might buy them, if you think UKIP have it in the bag, sell Labour
Either way I think its free money
In any case the Spanish don't let me contact UK bookmaker sites.0 -
It will be an "interesting" poll?Tykejohnno said:0 -
I like Sunflower, Foot of the Mountain and Can You Heal Us. Along with the title track.
Don't imagine this is your cup of tea - but just found a super country rock/pop band called The Wind And The Rain. Their first album is ace - a taster
From The Wreckage - audio onlyisam said:
That's his best solo album by a mile in my opinion...probably the album I've listened to most in my life... I love the three songs in the middle, "All the pictures on the wall", "Has my fire really gone out", & "Country"Plato said:LOL
Not keen on Mr Weller myself - bar Wild Wood.isam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,isam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.FrancisUrquhart said:
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
My mate always used to sing "Chicken Fried Rice with a plastic spoon" instead of "People fly by in the traffics boom", and his sister thought they were the real words! "Oh he is spot on that's just how we eat it!"0 -
Verulamius said:
C in the past year have moved up from 30% in March 13 to 33% in average polls. Main shift in July 2013, r2 coeffecient is .37 with economy.
The PB poll average has March 2013 as the Tories' worst month of the parliament, at 28.9%. By July that year, it had recovered to 31.3%, since when it's been very consistently in a band 1% either side of 31.5%. There's no real recovery in the Tory vote occurring but there is still a decline in the Labour one. Labour's six-month rolling average lead has fallen virtually every month since March 2013, declining from 10.0% to 3.4% in the process.Verulamius said:C in the past year have moved up from 30% in March 13 to 33% in average polls. Main shift in July 2013, r2 coeffecient is .37 with economy.
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TimB Indeed0
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I can't help feeling that the juxtaposition of that headline and the picture just above it is rather unfortunate.Tykejohnno said:Tuesday's Times front page - "Grandees turn on Miliband" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/VHKXV7SO1v
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Likewise Smarmy, likewise.
Plato stop trolling - we're all waiting for YouGov - you're totally tacking the piss.0 -
As the last 2 yougov polls for the Sun and Sunday Times have had Tory leads, surely another Tory lead would not be interesting, whereas Labour retaking the lead would be?0
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Assuming Kobani falls, it is only about 3km from the Turkish border.SeanT said:Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/
This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.
Again, assuming ISIS heads over the border, an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all.
What then happens to Obmama's 'No American boots on the ground' policy.0 -
I have to say, that is very funnyRichard_Nabavi said:
I can't help feeling that the juxtaposition of that headline and the picture just above it is rather unfortunate.Tykejohnno said:Tuesday's Times front page - "Grandees turn on Miliband" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/VHKXV7SO1v
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The Style Council had some great hits: It Didn't Matter, Long Hot Summer, How She Threw It All Away, Walls Come Tumbling Down, etc.0
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Well noticed mr Nabavi ;-)Richard_Nabavi said:
I can't help feeling that the juxtaposition of that headline and the picture just above it is rather unfortunate.Tykejohnno said:Tuesday's Times front page - "Grandees turn on Miliband" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/VHKXV7SO1v
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Can someone please explain to me why the fuck is the civilized world allowing this to happen?SeanT said:Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/
This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.0 -
Good question from Corporeal on how pollsters deal with UKIP.
Loud band started next door.0 -
The Labour:Green coalition in our house has a policy difference when it comes to Weller. I'm Jam, she's Style Council.
Top Jam lyrics:
And when or if the sun shines
Lighting our once beautiful features
We'll smile, but only for seconds.
For to be caught smiling is to acknowledge life,
A brave but useless show of compassion
And that is forbidden in this drab and colourless world.0 -
[Loud band started next door.]
Bet you would would have shit your pants if it was a Jam song. That's the kind of weird shit that happens to me.0 -
I'll put it down to bush and blair,the west are to frightened of they own shadows after Iraq.nigel4england said:
Can someone please explain to me why the fuck is the civilized world allowing this to happen?SeanT said:Kobane. "A Terrible Slaughter is Coming".
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/a-terrible-slaughter-is-coming/381157/
This is potentially the Srebrenica of our time.
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Sir Bob still on 25-30 seats for lib dems, same as last years estimate.0
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Plato said:
I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
And as I look at you and I fall under your spell
Well I know I should be thinking of her lying there herself
And when faced with temptation you know a man should stand and fight
But you will be my downfall tonight
Be my downfall
Be my great regret
Be the one girl
That I'll never forget
Be my undoing
Be my slow road to ruin tonightnigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
snip
...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.
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Child tax credits should never have been refundable. They make sense as an allowance set against earned income, but not as a payment.nigel4england said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.0 -
I disagree. We all want to know whether the Tory lead is a trend or a short term blip.HYUFD said:As the last 2 yougov polls for the Sun and Sunday Times have had Tory leads, surely another Tory lead would not be interesting, whereas Labour retaking the lead would be?
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The PB poll average has March 2013 as the Tories' worst month of the parliament, at 28.9%. By July that year, it had recovered to 31.3%, since when it's been very consistently in a band 1% either side of 31.5%. There's no real recovery in the Tory vote occurring but there is still a decline in the Labour one. Labour's six-month rolling average lead has fallen virtually every month since March 2013, declining from 10.0% to 3.4% in the process.
That was consistent with the slide.
Slides will be up on the Mori website later this week.
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nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing0
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@SeanT
How long have they had to evacuate those who need to get out? If the Kurds pull out, then encircle Kobane with the aid of a heavy aircover, where will those ISIS troops go?
Kobane is a pig to defend if you control the hills surrounding it, and nothing is coming from Turkey.
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This is the Gordon Brown unintentional tax credit trap. While you have children they make your minumum wage up to somewhere between £30k and £50k gross equivalent depending how many you have.nigel4england said:
e.g A couple lost tax credits and now in "poverty" on a debt management plan, despite earning £25k (not a lot, but I don't think most would think that is poverty, especially as they aren't in London). How awful, nasty government.
Why....because in the good times they ran up £26k in debts and were already only just making the repayments.
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./
The other effect of tax credits has been to massively depress wages, as employers know a significant number of staff get tax credits so only see 27% of every extra pound they earn, so just offer minimum wage and let the employees max out on tax credits.
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much of
"I have had 3 kids in past 3 years plus pets, big screen telly, etc, despite being in debt and earning minimum wage...the bastards at Tescos / government should be funding this"
...nonsense.
As soon as they started banding around the poverty stats without the necessary caveats (which are of course the nonsense relative poverty, who even the people who devised the metrics say are being misused), I because extremely suspicious.
You forgot Sky, tattoos, booze and smokes.
And this season´s Premiership football shirts.
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.
Saturdays Kids
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back of course!
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80s
Paul Weller, a modern poet?
Had a love affair with Nina
In the back of my Cortina
Romance Ian Dury style
Wonderful post - a perfect example of why we need less state interference in our lives, and not more. But sadly, it'll only happen when the state collapses in a sovereign debt default after October next year.0 -
Hmm...
BBC Look East@BBCLookEast
Speaking before tonight's #battleforclacton debate @DouglasCarswell said "people want change"
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@BBCLookEast @DouglasCarswell if they want change why vote for the same person we have had for 9 yrs ?0 -
Are they not part of the civilised world then? I didn't just mean us and the Americans, this is happening on the doorstep of a NATO country yet they are not challenging them?HYUFD said:nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing
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Note to all posters: ALL song lyrics look like crap on the page, they only don't look like crap to you because you are hearing the song in your head as you paste them on the page. Result: you embarrass yourself.Ishmael_X said:Plato said:I love Del Amitri's Be My Downfall Tonight - when you go home with the *wrong* person... youtube.com/watch?v=GwASZpIHKLY
And it all points towards the things we know we shouldn't do
And as I look at you and I fall under your spell
Well I know I should be thinking of her lying there herself
And when faced with temptation you know a man should stand and fight
But you will be my downfall tonight
Be my downfall
Be my great regret
Be the one girl
That I'll never forget
Be my undoing
Be my slow road to ruin tonightnigel4england said:
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight perfectly captures that feeling of nervousness we have all had going home late at night in Londonisam said:
I think so!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Paul Weller, a modern poet?isam said:
Reminds me of Elm Park and Dagenham in the early 80sTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are the real creatures that time hasisam said:
"Ordinary Boys" by Morrissey describes the same people in less bovver boy way!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,isam said:
Saturdays Kidsantifrank said:
I'm racking my brains to think which Jam song that reminds me of.Itajai said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And of course Panorama are explaining this...or maybe not (to be fair I have turned it off as it was such bollocks). There is only so much ofPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Then you hit 45, the kids hit 18, the tax credits vanish and you are royally stuffed./FrancisUrquhart said:I see Panorama
snip
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...nonsense.
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
In my daydreams I used to want to write a film based on songs by The Jam...
"When You're Young" describes that time of life perfectly... and "Sound Affects" is in my top 3 albums.. I can relate almost every song to some part of my life
Haha embarrassing to admit but when I met my girlfriend when I was about 23 I told her I felt like Paul Weller when had he left The Jam and formed The Style Council... how romantic (and self obsessed!)
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Meet me on the Wasteland....SandyRentool said:The Labour:Green coalition in our house has a policy difference when it comes to Weller. I'm Jam, she's Style Council.
Top Jam lyrics:
And when or if the sun shines
Lighting our once beautiful features
We'll smile, but only for seconds.
For to be caught smiling is to acknowledge life,
A brave but useless show of compassion
And that is forbidden in this drab and colourless world.
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That the West expected a Turkish government ever more islamist was going to help the Kurds against ISIL is ever more laughable. Obama and Call me Cammos strategy in tatters.HYUFD said:nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing
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@SeanT
"Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to
For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despise their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something they invest in"
Bob at his best?
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Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.MikeK said:
That the West expected a Turkish government ever more islamist is going to help the Kurds against ISIL is ever more laughable. Obama and Call me Cammos strategy in tatters.HYUFD said:nigel4england We are already bombing ISIS heavily, yes maybe we should supply the Kurds with more heavy weaponary, but it is the Turkish tanks which are standing at the side doing nothing
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