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Whilst the polling on this question has improved slightly for UKIP since May, it still represents a problem for the party. I’ve noted in the past that in politics, sometimes perceptions matter more than the facts, and unfortunately they are perceived as the party of fruit cakes and loonies and closet racists mostly.
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LDs are such a bunch of haters.
Keep on trucking Kippers!!!0 -
I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist0
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There was some evidence of an increased level of 2010 Lib Dems voting for Conservatives in the Rochester and Strood poll but not so many 2010 Labour at this stage..0
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Do you think the Conservative Party is a racist party?
Do you think the Labour Party is a racist party?
Do you think the LD Party is a racist party?
If you want to compare attitudes to parties, you need comparable data.0 -
I would tactically vote for UKIP if I thought it would help stop the most evil party in the UK - the Greens0
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Is it not 9%? I think the 2% is the share who don't know.TheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
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You'll find them on the comments section of the telegraph or the guido Fawkes site advocating final solutions for anyone who isn't a facsimile of them.TheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
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(On the previous thread I've thanked all those who replied to my question)
Is it me, or do the UKIP bars look like an extended middle finger?0 -
It's the first graph you need to look at. The second graph is to do with UKIP candidate.DavidL said:
Is it not 9%? I think the 2% is the share who don't know.TheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
9% is the number of Kippers who think their candidates are more likely to hold racist/offensive views.0 -
More likelier? Less likelier?0
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My undergraduate study of the social sciences confirms that this is valid.anotherDave said:Do you think the Conservative Party is a racist party?
Do you think the Labour Party is a racist party?
Do you think the LD Party is a racist party?
If you want to compare attitudes to parties, you need comparable data.
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That's because they are all fruit cakes, loonies and closet racists.0
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Hmm. From the DT RSS feed
Vince Cable says British firms are 'struggling' to compete with international rivals on price because of carbon taxes
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That's a typo on my part, will shortly be fixedantifrank said:More likelier? Less likelier?
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You're right that this hurts UKIP. This is very unfortunate, as the most racist party is Labour, which will ignore racial dimensions of mass crime depending on which ethnic group committed them.0
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The party is happy to retain in its ranks at a senior level someone who casually refers to ting tongs. It may or may not be a racist party but it certainly is a party that doesn't care that much about shaking off that image.0
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Wonder how many will vote for UKIP BECAUSE it is a racist party?
Racism, or rather "racism", is considered the great thought crime among the great and the good. I am not sure the great unwashed get so agitated about it.0 -
They're probably the 2% of the party that is racist themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
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What does "offensive views" mean? Offensive to whom?0
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Will this be the last Sunil on Sunday ELBOW to show a Lab lead?
9 polls with fieldwork end-dates 28th Sep to 4th Oct, total weighted sample size 11,610:
Lab 35.6% (-0.5)
Con 32.7% (+1.0)
UKIP 14.4% (-0.3)
LD 7.4% (+0.1)
Lab lead 2.9% (-1.5%)0 -
Can you please explain how you arrived at the vote shares for the Rochester poll, excluding 2010 'did not vote' on the previous thread.MikeSmithson said:I would tactically vote for UKIP if I thought it would help stop the most evil party in the UK - the Greens
When I do it, I get:
Ukip (281-62) 36%
Con (216-22) 32%
Lab (177-6) 28%
There are 91 'did not vote': total voters (697-91)
p.8, table 5
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Confidential-Rochester-and-Strood-Constituency-Poll-Weighted_Oct03.pdf
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Establishment LibDems really hate Greens.MikeSmithson said:I would tactically vote for UKIP if I thought it would help stop the most evil party in the UK - the Greens
Establishment Tories really hate UKIP.
If there was an anti-establishment leftist party it would really be hated by Establishment Labour.
The common theme being the establishment hates anything that threatens change.
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Any stats for the other parties being racist?TheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
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I'm so embarrassed with my likelier gaffe.0
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"I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist"
Look for ones without their fingers crossed0 -
Nope, but we can use the second question as a proxy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Any stats for the other parties being racist?TheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
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I think they might have been supporters of another party until recentlyTheScreamingEagles said:I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist
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Exile to Guido!TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so embarrassed with my likelier gaffe.
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Well when I say meet....Roger said:Eagle
"I'd like to meet the 2% of Kippers who think their party is racist"
Look for one without their fingers crossed0 -
I thought you were a lawyer.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so embarrassed with my likelier gaffe.
Can't crap grammar completely change the meaning of a contract ?
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Referring to a character from Little Britain seems a very minor issue to me.antifrank said:The party is happy to retain in its ranks at a senior level someone who casually refers to ting tongs. It may or may not be a racist party but it certainly is a party that doesn't care that much about shaking off that image.
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It can, that's why I had so many proof checkers.another_richard said:
I thought you were a lawyer.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so embarrassed with my likelier gaffe.
Can't crap grammar completely change the meaning of a contract ?
My major problem has been leaving out words, which totally feck things up.0 -
Ting Tong was a character in the lefty BBC's "Little Britain"!antifrank said:The party is happy to retain in its ranks at a senior level someone who casually refers to ting tongs. It may or may not be a racist party but it certainly is a party that doesn't care that much about shaking off that image.
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The LD party is happy to retain in its ranks councillors who aided a convicted rapist in acquiring a taxi cab licence.antifrank said:The party is happy to retain in its ranks at a senior level someone who casually refers to ting tongs. It may or may not be a racist party but it certainly is a party that doesn't care that much about shaking off that image.
http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/politics/200-sign-petition-calling-for-resignations-over-milton-keynes-rapist-taxi-driver-scandal-1-6287499
That seems like a serious matter. Shouldn't the LDs expel people like that?0 -
BJ can you kindly refrain in future from posting the Strictly result in advance. It wasn't a betting tip, so even putting 'Spoiler' didn't stop me catching it whilst scrolling through which many of us do on here.
It isn't clever, and it isn't funny.0 -
I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales0 -
For the avoidance of doubt this is to: bigjohnowlsaudreyanne said:BJ can you kindly refrain in future from posting the Strictly result in advance. It wasn't a betting tip, so even putting 'Spoiler' didn't stop me catching it whilst scrolling through which many of us do on here.
It isn't clever, and it isn't funny.0 -
The Kippers on here are queuing up to prove my point.0
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No conhome is more appropriate.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Exile to Guido!TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so embarrassed with my likelier gaffe.
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Ting Tong was a character in the lefty BBC's "Little Britain". They popularised the name.antifrank said:The Kippers on here are queuing up to prove my point.
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There was a big piece in the Sunday Times property section bewailing a possible 'mansion tax'.
Including the usual complaints of "I bought my house for only £400k and now I'll get taxed through no fault of my own".
That said people have made a seven figure capital gain through no effort of their own is never mentioned.
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Interestingly the Rochester poll also did an Issues index which came out like this:
1st Immigration 28.7%
2nd Economy 12.8%
3rd Health 9%
4th Cost Of Living 7%
5th The EU 6.8%
6th Education 6.1%
7th Poverty 3.4%
8th Welfare 3.3%
9th Housing 1.6%
Other 21,4%
Good luck to the Tories and Labour trying to defend their records on Immigration.
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Confidential-Rochester-and-Strood-Constituency-Poll-Weighted_Oct03.pdf
Its a pity so many parties so often conflate the issues and immigration and race because ironically its not UKIP who demand that migrants from the African, Asian and American continents have a good standard of English whilst allowing entry to Europeans who do not speak a word of the language without blinking an eyelid.0 -
If I felt UKIP were a racist party, I wouldn't have voted for them at the Euros back in May!0
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Take it we all have seen this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/11142076/Coalition-with-Ed-Miliband-would-be-enormously-damaging-for-Liberal-Democrats-minister-warns.html
"The Liberal Democrats must not go into coalition with Labour even if they win more seats after the general election because the association with Ed Miliband would be so “damaging” for the party, a minister has warned."0 -
Have you overtaken tim in the number of comments ?TheScreamingEagles said:
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As I said in the last thread. Just because 68% of labour supporters and 59% of conservative supporters think UKIP more likely to have candidates with racist or offensive views than other political parties; that dosent mean it will hinder their electoral chances.
What that dosent say is how many of that 68%, 59% of them either:
* Think they are a probably a bit racist but are not greatly bothered as they care more about the economy/immigration/national sovereignty/tax etc.
* Think they are a bit racist but not bothered unless they are overtly racist. (ie being rude about foreigners when in the pub with friends is one thing, bricks through windows and ostracising a relation for marrying someone black is another).
* Think they are a racist party but secretly rather approve of this providing they keep immigration down.
* Think they are not racist enough but better than the other three sets of liberal bigots
While racism is the sin against the holy ghost for the elite, many other people are not particularly exercised by it as an issue unless it involves nastiness/rudeness to invididual people or the risk of the state behaving like franco's Spain or apartheid South Africa, neither of which are remotely likely even if UKIPs wilder members formed a majority in parliament.
This post is surely further evidence of (a) why the Libdems hate them so much (81% and they probably all feel quite strongly about it) and (b) why our elite just don't get it.
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Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.0 -
And association with the Tories hasn't hurt the LDs?Floater said:Take it we all have seen this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/11142076/Coalition-with-Ed-Miliband-would-be-enormously-damaging-for-Liberal-Democrats-minister-warns.html
"The Liberal Democrats must not go into coalition with Labour even if they win more seats after the general election because the association with Ed Miliband would be so “damaging” for the party, a minister has warned."0 -
Nor is the fact that they have only made a seven figure capital gain if they sell it, otherwise it's just a house that they live in.another_richard said:There was a big piece in the Sunday Times property section bewailing a possible 'mansion tax'.
Including the usual complaints of "I bought my house for only £400k and now I'll get taxed through no fault of my own".
That said people have made a seven figure capital gain through no effort of their own is never mentioned.0 -
Worth noting that the Labour candidate is of south Asian heritage (I think).
I guess the Tories would pick an English Rose type, if they could find one. Failing that, they could go with the Allo Allo guy again I suppose, assuming he hasn't got any work on at the moment.0 -
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire last night to celebrate. The food was truly exceptional but none of the staff were Scottish. A wide mix of eastern Europeans and a Zimbabwean.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales
Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep? It is disappointing.0 -
Congratulations!DavidL said:
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire to celebrate.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales0 -
If you want to celebrate your 30th wedding anniversary, is posting on PB during your 29th the best way to go?DavidL said:
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire last night to celebrate. The food was truly exceptional but none of the staff were Scottish. A wide mix of eastern Europeans and a Zimbabwean.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales
Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep? It is disappointing.0 -
The increasing numbers of Eastern European Roma will also affect thoughts on immigration in that they differ significantly from the 'Poles'.manofkent2014 said:
Its a pity so many parties so often conflate the issues and immigration and race because ironically its not UKIP who demand that migrants from the African, Asian and American continents have a good standard of English whilst allowing entry to Europeans who do not speak a word of the language without blinking an eyelid.
The 'Poles' live similarly to local British people - they go to work in the morning, come home in the evening, have their dinner, watch TV then go to bed.
With the Roma you instead get a lot of loitering around the streets day and night. Which makes them both much more visible to local people and much more concerning.
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Ed is more toxic than Tories.Sunil_Prasannan said:And association with the Tories hasn't hurt the LDs?
See Scottish sub-samples...0 -
[Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep?]
Hurrah for low skill, low prestige, low wage jobs! We should have some sort of system where we all have one.0 -
Not if you are on the left (unless you are ethnocentric to the non indigenous population in which case it's ok)SeanT said:
UKIP are ethnocentric, not racist. A significant difference.0 -
Well my wife has gone off to see some chick flick with my daughter so I have a pass now.TheScreamingEagles said:
If you want to celebrate your 30th wedding anniversary, is posting on PB during your 29th the best way to go?DavidL said:
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire last night to celebrate. The food was truly exceptional but none of the staff were Scottish. A wide mix of eastern Europeans and a Zimbabwean.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales
Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep? It is disappointing.
Thanks Sunil. I am a very lucky man.0 -
I should think its almost a full time job. Takes long enough just reading the comments!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.0 -
To compare attitudes to parties, ComRes' is a better example.
"Please indicate whether you have a favourable or unfavourable view of each of the following."
Green Party: +27% / -29% (-2)
Labour Party: +30% / -43% (-13)
UKIP: +27% / -43% (-16)
The EU: +23% / -45% (-22)
Conservative Party: +25% / -48% (-23)
The ugly sister there is the Conservatives. (There was no LD Party question.)
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/IoS_SM_Political_Poll_28th_September_2014_8723.pdf
EDIT
The previous month included the LDs
Lib Dems: +13% / -53% (-40)
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/SM_IoS_Political_Poll_24th_August_2014_12371.pdf0 -
Pre-2010 election, the LDs hit the dizzy heights of 30+ in the polls. Now they are in single-digits...Scott_P said:
Ed is more toxic than Tories.Sunil_Prasannan said:And association with the Tories hasn't hurt the LDs?
See Scottish sub-samples...0 -
And they don't want to lose those...Sunil_Prasannan said:Pre-2010 election, the LDs hit the dizzy heights of 30+ in the polls. Now they are in single-digits...
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And the excitable YouGov polling panel had the biggest exaggerations not supported by other pollsters.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Pre-2010 election, the LDs hit the dizzy heights of 30+ in the polls. Now they are in single-digits...Scott_P said:
Ed is more toxic than Tories.Sunil_Prasannan said:And association with the Tories hasn't hurt the LDs?
See Scottish sub-samples...
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It will be my 33rd anniversary next month, however we would have split up years ago but neither of us wanted the kids!TheScreamingEagles said:
If you want to celebrate your 30th wedding anniversary, is posting on PB during your 29th the best way to go?DavidL said:
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire last night to celebrate. The food was truly exceptional but none of the staff were Scottish. A wide mix of eastern Europeans and a Zimbabwean.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales
Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep? It is disappointing.0 -
Is more I'm at the mercy of events.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I should think its almost a full time job. Takes long enough just reading the comments!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
Take last Saturday, I wanted a quiet Saturday afternoon, what happens, Mark Reckless defects, and Brooks Newmark's bizarre love triangle with todger and mobile phone happen.
Last Wednesday really peed me off, and that was Farage's fault.
I'm at the cinema, at 5pm, with their big defection news scheduled for then.
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There's a lot of truth in that. I've met quite a lot of C2 DE people recently through voluntary work who have expressed concerns about immigration and there's definitely an undercurrent of *bloody foreigners* in their language. And a conspicuous kicking back against PCness.
It's almost as if they're being deliberately provocative - and want to take a bit of stand.
I can see many of them thinking that if Kippers were of the same views - well then they're Like Me. As you say, they wouldn't approve of name calling or being aggressive - but they want what they feel is their country back/to stop apologising for being British.
This group also includes a chunk of people who work in client contact in social services. I was surprised how unPC they were about how they felt. I was left with the overwhelming impression that they're sick of the piss-taking they deal with as part of their day jobs.
An interesting bit of anecdata from my POV.Paul_Mid_Beds said:As I said in the last thread. Just because 68% of labour supporters and 59% of conservative supporters think UKIP more likely to have candidates with racist or offensive views than other political parties; that dosent mean it will hinder their electoral chances.
What that dosent say is how many of that 68%, 59% of them either:
* Think they are a probably a bit racist but are not greatly bothered as they care more about the economy/immigration/national sovereignty/tax etc.
* Think they are a bit racist but not bothered unless they are overtly racist. (ie being rude about foreigners when in the pub with friends is one thing, bricks through windows and ostracising a relation for marrying someone black is another).
* Think they are a racist party but secretly rather approve of this providing they keep immigration down.
* Think they are not racist enough but better than the other three sets of liberal bigots
While racism is the sin against the holy ghost for the elite, many other people are not particularly exercised by it as an issue unless it involves nastiness/rudeness to invididual people or the risk of the state behaving like franco's Spain or apartheid South Africa, neither of which are remotely likely even if UKIPs wilder members formed a majority in parliament.
This post is surely further evidence of (a) why the Libdems hate them so much (81% and they probably all feel quite strongly about it) and (b) why our elite just don't get it.0 -
Don't leave me this way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
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I wrote this earlier during the day and on the last thread.......
It's getting pretty obvious that nearly every second thread presented by TSE is in someway anti UKIP or biased against UKIP. I think that this is a deliberate policy cooked up by TSE to keep his and Mikes end up against the coming deluge.
I don't mind myself but it's getting bloody boring.
.........not only was I right, but TSE continues his slanted threads on UKIP. He must really fear UKIP may eventually swamp the Tories that he so supports.
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Mr. Eagles, don't forsake us entirely.
Whilst the site's collective knowledge of classical history would be improved (markedly) by your absence, the terrible 1980s pop references would suffer a dramatic decline.0 -
Heh.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Don't leave me this way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
Don't worry, if more polls show the Tories ahead, I'll be back.
Or if any more thrice cursed, traitorous pig dogs defect and join UKIP, I'll be back to denounce them.0 -
And I replied on the last threadMikeK said:I wrote this earlier during the day and on the last thread.......
It's getting pretty obvious that nearly every second thread presented by TSE is in someway anti UKIP or biased against UKIP. I think that this is a deliberate policy cooked up by TSE to keep his and Mikes end up against the coming deluge.
I don't mind myself but it's getting bloody boring.
.........not only was I right, but TSE continues his slanted threads on UKIP. He must really fear UKIP may eventually swamp the Tories that he so supports.
To the deluded Kippers screaming victimisation.
I go where the polling and betting angle takes me.
Clearly you have reading and comprehension issues otherwise you may have missed my threads from just this week which
1) Pointed out backing UKIP in Rochester and Stroud was value which has turned out to be a profitable tip
2) A thread that criticised the Tories for attacking Mark Reckless/Kippers
Didn't see you complaining then.
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Of course I'm not scientific about it - and certainly I'm not overly caring about its accuracy - the phrase did just pop in my head - and it's a total PB cliché and even the lurkers will hate me for it.
But I think we just hit Peak Plato!!!!!0 -
Isn't the whole idea behind 'my property is my pension' concept that you DO sell your house and move somewhere smaller (and you have no need of a large house after the children have grown up and left) thus providing you with a tax free capital lump sum.nigel4england said:
Nor is the fact that they have only made a seven figure capital gain if they sell it, otherwise it's just a house that they live in.another_richard said:There was a big piece in the Sunday Times property section bewailing a possible 'mansion tax'.
Including the usual complaints of "I bought my house for only £400k and now I'll get taxed through no fault of my own".
That said people have made a seven figure capital gain through no effort of their own is never mentioned.
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I thought you'd flounced off?MikeK said:I wrote this earlier during the day and on the last thread.......
It's getting pretty obvious that nearly every second thread presented by TSE is in someway anti UKIP or biased against UKIP. I think that this is a deliberate policy cooked up by TSE to keep his and Mikes end up against the coming deluge.
I don't mind myself but it's getting bloody boring.
.........not only was I right, but TSE continues his slanted threads on UKIP. He must really fear UKIP may eventually swamp the Tories that he so supports.
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Well done you for volunteering.Plato said:There's a lot of truth in that. I've met quite a lot of C2 DE people recently through voluntary work
Paul_Mid_Beds said:As I said in the last thread. Just because 68% of labour supporters and 59% of conservative supporters think UKIP more likely to have candidates with racist or offensive views than other political parties; that dosent mean it will hinder their electoral chances.
What that dosent say is how many of that 68%, 59% of them either:
* Think they are a probably a bit racist but are not greatly bothered as they care more about the economy/immigration/national sovereignty/tax etc.
* Think they are a bit racist but not bothered unless they are overtly racist. (ie being rude about foreigners when in the pub with friends is one thing, bricks through windows and ostracising a relation for marrying someone black is another).
* Think they are a racist party but secretly rather approve of this providing they keep immigration down.
* Think they are not racist enough but better than the other three sets of liberal bigots
While racism is the sin against the holy ghost for the elite, many other people are not particularly exercised by it as an issue unless it involves nastiness/rudeness to invididual people or the risk of the state behaving like franco's Spain or apartheid South Africa, neither of which are remotely likely even if UKIPs wilder members formed a majority in parliament.
This post is surely further evidence of (a) why the Libdems hate them so much (81% and they probably all feel quite strongly about it) and (b) why our elite just don't get it.
(Note to self: volunteer for something!)
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Did you ask how much those jobs paid ?DavidL said:
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire last night to celebrate. The food was truly exceptional but none of the staff were Scottish. A wide mix of eastern Europeans and a Zimbabwean.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales
Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep? It is disappointing.
And then compare it with how much local house prices are ?
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It seems easier to get off a bus from Warsaw and get a job in a west end hotel, than to get off a bus from Tottenham and do the same.Blueberry said:Worth noting that the Labour candidate is of south Asian heritage (I think).
I guess the Tories would pick an English Rose type, if they could find one. Failing that, they could go with the Allo Allo guy again I suppose, assuming he hasn't got any work on at the moment.0 -
Don't worry, I'll be here, just posting less.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, don't forsake us entirely.
Whilst the site's collective knowledge of classical history would be improved (markedly) by your absence, the terrible 1980s pop references would suffer a dramatic decline.
I need a few weeks not thinking about politics.0 -
Note to self: OGH has uncovered our plans to enslave the human race, have him eliminated.MikeSmithson said:I would tactically vote for UKIP if I thought it would help stop the most evil party in the UK - the Greens
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Mr. T, worth mentioning some on the right (including on here) are also against bombing ISIS, on the grounds the war has no readily apparent endgame.
ISIS are so vile, abhorrent and dangerous we've got to do what we can to stop them. Diplomacy matters more than the military, for us, but if bombing ISIS helps the Kurds and Iraqi Government then bomb we should.0 -
Wouldn't the easiest thing be to give Assad his chemical weapons back ?SeanT said:Another Guardianista says "we mustn't bomb ISIS coz blah" yet offers no serious alternative.
Everyone agrees we should arm the Kurds (if Turkey lets us) but that won't win the war. Iraq is about to fall. Baghdad is now in ISIS artillery range. ISIS are sweeping up to the Turkish border. Meanwhile, the useful idiots of the Left march on.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/05/isis-islamic-state-bombing
Anyway I very much doubt that ISIS will capture Baghdad, its too big and majority Shia now.
Still events in the region do suggest that Qatar might not be the best place to hold a FIFA World Cup.
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Are you considering supporting them at the general election?Sunil_Prasannan said:If I felt UKIP were a racist party, I wouldn't have voted for them at the Euros back in May!
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Relax, Don't do itSunil_Prasannan said:
Don't leave me this way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
When two tribes go to war, money's all that you can score!0 -
I was reminded of something from Truman earlier today - about the Soviets - but it works for ISIS and their cronies
It is now clear that we are now facing an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination... there are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the US is to survive, it must be more clever, more sophisticated and more effective means that those used against us
SeanT said:Another Guardianista says "we mustn't bomb ISIS coz blah" yet offers no serious alternative.
Everyone agrees we should arm the Kurds (if Turkey lets us) but that won't win the war. Iraq is about to fall. Baghdad is now in ISIS artillery range. ISIS are sweeping up to the Turkish border. Meanwhile, the useful idiots of the Left march on.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/05/isis-islamic-state-bombing0 -
Happy anniversary. 10 years for me next year, gone quick.DavidL said:
It is our 29th wedding anniversary today and we were in a very fine hotel in deepest Perthshire last night to celebrate. The food was truly exceptional but none of the staff were Scottish. A wide mix of eastern Europeans and a Zimbabwean.Fenster said:I took my car to be valeted today and three Romanians did the work.
EU migrants in the Welsh valleys.
And my little boy is in class with a Lithunian girl. Stunningly pretty she is.
Eastern European immigration us changing the landscape even in deepest, darkest Wales
Are our children so bedazzled with all the certificates, diplomas and other valueless qualifications that we give them that they can't see jobs right on their doorstep? It is disappointing.
I don't really have a view on immigration, I'm not at all affected by it. I tend to like everybody by default, regardless of where they are from (although I have experienced a few dodgy moments with Somalians in Cardiff. They are very territorial and from anecdote it appears a lot of non-Somalians have had issues with them), I'm typically dopey, friendly Welsh in that respect. Chris Mullin summed up immigration and 'sending them 'ome' best for me. His diaries showed that it is very easy and simplistic to be anti-immigration, particularly against illegal immigrants. But not so easy when you are the one sending a working mam and dad and their crying children back to some hellhole in Africa.0 -
Just Can't Get Enough!foxinsoxuk said:
Relax, Don't do itSunil_Prasannan said:
Don't leave me this way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
When two tribes go to war, money's all that you can score!0 -
Possibly.AndyJS said:
Are you considering supporting them at the general election?Sunil_Prasannan said:If I felt UKIP were a racist party, I wouldn't have voted for them at the Euros back in May!
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You've done too much, far too young...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just Can't Get Enough!foxinsoxuk said:
Relax, Don't do itSunil_Prasannan said:
Don't leave me this way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
When two tribes go to war, money's all that you can score!0 -
I should be so lucky!foxinsoxuk said:
You've done too much, far too young...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just Can't Get Enough!foxinsoxuk said:
Relax, Don't do itSunil_Prasannan said:
Don't leave me this way!TheScreamingEagles said:
Pass. Possiblyanother_richard said:
That said, I shall be taking a break from PB for most of this month.
Holiday end of the month, and plus editing PB takes a lot of you, especially during these hectic times.
When two tribes go to war, money's all that you can score!0
