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Or Dubai for UAE?Cookie said:
'Holland' is an informal and not-technically-correct name for the Netherlands - technically Holland is just two of the 12 regions, albeit two of the most populous ones, containing Amsterdam, Rotterdam and the Hague.DecrepiterJohnL said:
There have been some hefty wagers on Netherlands to lift the trophy. When did they stop being Holland btw?Ghedebrav said:
Not a vintage Dutch team. But then neither was the 2010 side.rcs1000 said:
32 minutes in (not that I'm watching), your pessimism on the Dutch as goalscorers looks justified.MaxPB said:
Janssen and Bergwijn in that front 3. Don't see where the goals come from.rcs1000 said:
I might put a few quid on a 3-0 win for the Netherlands. I'm feeling lucky.Andy_JS said:Most likely scores according to Betfair punters.
1-0 Netherlands win: 6.2
2-0 Netherlands win: 7.8
1-1 draw: 8
2-1 Netherlands win: 10
0-0 draw: 10.5
3-0 Netherlands win: 15
1-0 Senegal win: 16.5
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.197093932
cf (a bit) foreigners using 'England' as shorthand for the UK.1 -
Broken sleazy LDs and SNP on the slide?Scott_xP said:Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.
Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 28% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Reform UK 5% (–)
Green 4% (–)
SNP 4% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/10 -
Some years ago I was in Qatar on a work trip. Sitting in the hotel bar, it was pointed out to me that local blokes were using the place to pick up prostitutes. Once you knew what to look for, it was obvious.rcs1000 said:
You can drink and fornicate.Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Just not legally.0 -
Given Remain had all the advantages and still lost, anybody associated with running the Remain campaign should be unemployable beyond flipping burgers.williamglenn said:@christiancalgie
Here's an interesting appointment - former Remain campaigner for 'Our Future Our Choice' Will Dry has joined No. 10 as a SpAd 👀
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/15947142512306053132 -
Certainly it seems his personal journey has ended up at similar levels of extremism, just on different themes.FrancisUrquhart said:I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....
Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound
None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.
You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588
I love this totally non hypocritical attempt by Nawaz, Fifa and others, to say that you cannot raise any concerns because it would be hypocritical to do so. Which conveniently means no one can ever raise any complaints about such regimes. After all, if you (or rather your country) has ever done anything wrong, that means others doing wrong becomes fine. Two wrongs make a right as we know.0 -
Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.Cookie said:
In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.Ghedebrav said:
Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.1 -
It's a two horse race......Sunil_Prasannan said:
Broken sleazy LDs and SNP on the slide?Scott_xP said:Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.
Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 28% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Reform UK 5% (–)
Green 4% (–)
SNP 4% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/10 -
Might as well lean into it and ensure that people at least end up in the right site despite the misconception.Andy_JS said:
Funny thing is the official Netherlands tourist website uses Holland as its name.Cookie said:
'Holland' is an informal and not-technically-correct name for the Netherlands - technically Holland is just two of the 12 regions, albeit two of the most populous ones, containing Amsterdam, Rotterdam and the Hague.DecrepiterJohnL said:
There have been some hefty wagers on Netherlands to lift the trophy. When did they stop being Holland btw?Ghedebrav said:
Not a vintage Dutch team. But then neither was the 2010 side.rcs1000 said:
32 minutes in (not that I'm watching), your pessimism on the Dutch as goalscorers looks justified.MaxPB said:
Janssen and Bergwijn in that front 3. Don't see where the goals come from.rcs1000 said:
I might put a few quid on a 3-0 win for the Netherlands. I'm feeling lucky.Andy_JS said:Most likely scores according to Betfair punters.
1-0 Netherlands win: 6.2
2-0 Netherlands win: 7.8
1-1 draw: 8
2-1 Netherlands win: 10
0-0 draw: 10.5
3-0 Netherlands win: 15
1-0 Senegal win: 16.5
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.197093932
cf (a bit) foreigners using 'England' as shorthand for the UK.
https://www.holland.com/global/tourism.htm
Like how the Security Service's website is MI5.gov
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/
The Secret Intelligence Service's is not MI6.gov, but for both of them their logo includes the thing people actually call them, as well as their actual name.0 -
You do wonder how a party no-one has heard of can get 5%.Scott_xP said:Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.
Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 28% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Reform UK 5% (–)
Green 4% (–)
SNP 4% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1
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The same FT technology as implemented by Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa. Coincidentally.rcs1000 said:
It has the Shell Pearl GTL project. Which is pretty cool if you're into the energy industry.Cookie said:
In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.Ghedebrav said:
Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.1 -
I don't know if he got hit on the head or he was always hiding this nutty side. I mean he carved out a pretty good career as this moderate bloke who had interesting things to say, and let not forget had to employ protection, because of his take on how Islam needed reform.kle4 said:
Certainly it seems his personal journey has ended up at similar levels of extremism, just on different themes.FrancisUrquhart said:I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....
Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound
None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.
You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588
I love this totally non hypocritical attempt by Nawaz, Fifa and others, to say that you cannot raise any concerns because it would be hypocritical to do so. Which conveniently means no one can ever raise any complaints about such regimes. After all, if you (or rather your country) has ever done anything wrong, that means others doing wrong becomes fine. Two wrongs make a right as we know.
Thrown all that away to be a nutter raging on twitter.0 -
I'd expect them to be on at least 10% atm. But their leader is invisible.algarkirk said:
You do wonder how a party no-one has heard of can get 5%.Scott_xP said:Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.
Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 28% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Reform UK 5% (–)
Green 4% (–)
SNP 4% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/10 -
I suspect simply by being on the list and being none of the above.algarkirk said:
You do wonder how a party no-one has heard of can get 5%.Scott_xP said:Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.
Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 28% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
Reform UK 5% (–)
Green 4% (–)
SNP 4% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1
There may also possibly be some confusion with whatever Change UK ended up being called.2 -
It is. If you look at https://www.windy.com/ the trade winds are doing what they always do and whisking you straight across (or perhaps a bit higher to Venezuela or the Windward islands).Sunil_Prasannan said:
I have a theory, which is probably completely bollocks, that the shortest ancient migration route from Africa to the New World is from Senegal to Brazil.Ghedebrav said:
No doubt however that the Spanish 'discovery' was the most significant since the original migration over the Bering Strait.Sunil_Prasannan said:
As well as possible contacts between Shan China and Mesoamerica based on archaeological finds.Ghedebrav said:
I've read that Basque and (maybe) British cod fishers may well have fished off the east coast of North America prior to Columbus - but kept their new-found (and fecund) hunting grounds a trade secret.turbotubbs said:
I think its all bound up with Greenland etc. I suspect trading had been going on for centuries before Columbus.Cookie said:
But it can't be Vikings with a 1427 coin!turbotubbs said:
Surely old news? Viking settlement is long established. There is a great book - "A voyage long and strange" on this subject.Cookie said:Entirely off topic, but a 1427 coin from England has been discovered by a metal detectorist in Newfoundland, raising questions about pre-Columbian contact:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/a-centuries-old-coin-could-change-what-we-know-about-european-contact-with-north-america/ar-AA14kJrs?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=25513237e62344d88cfd6218a64c333b
Of course, it's entirely possible that post-Columbian emigrants took a very old coin with them.
The implication in the article is that there was contact and trade with the eastern seaboard of America - especially Northumberland - half a century and more before Columbus. I don't think it's inconceivable - if you had discovered a new land whose seas teemed with fish, you wouldn't necessarily tell all and sundry about it.
On the other side, some potential pre-Columbian contact between Polynesians and the Pacific coast of South America is plausible (the sweet potato question) but not proven.
Not as far, but going back much further there was supposedly a (pretty ropey) Phoenician find in the Azores. Not impossible given they almost certainly did circumnavigate Africa.
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Things I didn't have down on the bingo card - Dura_Ace, rolling a Yaris....a Porsche, perhaps, but a Yaris, nope didn't have that.Dura_Ace said:
Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.Cookie said:
In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.Ghedebrav said:
Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.0 -
From WikipediaFrancisUrquhart said:I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....
Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound
None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.
You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588
"In January 2021 Nawaz signed an open letter to the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies asking them to investigate the possibility that COVID-19 lockdowns were a "global fraud" promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party intended to "impoverish the nations" that implemented them."
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Not sure if anyone on here does the Wiki polling graph but the Deltapoll 51/25 poll (end date 19 Nov) has been entered about two weeks into the future on the graph which is badly messing up the line of best fit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election0 -
You shouldn't out Leon like that ;-)Andy_JS said:
From WikipediaFrancisUrquhart said:I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....
Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound
None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.
You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588
"In January 2021 Nawaz signed an open letter to the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies asking them to investigate the possibility that COVID-19 lockdowns were a "global fraud" promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party intended to "impoverish the nations" that implemented them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz#COVID-190 -
From Alaska Division of Elections:
Watch Nov 23 Tabulation Live at 4pm Wed on KTOO 360TV [=1am Thur in UK]
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Broadcast will be available via over-the-air broadcast, cable, satellite, and the ARCS television services across Alaska; and can be streamed live on the KTOO Roku app and online at ktoo.org/tv.0 -
How many three car rollovers have you had? Must take some level of planning...Dura_Ace said:
Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.Cookie said:
In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.Ghedebrav said:
Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.0 -
Netherlands are busily showing how hard it can be to crack the "smaller teams"
0-0 after an hour. I thought our game would be like this: cagey, anxious, close
Beating Iran 6-2 was a splendid achievement. Keep it up Gareth1 -
Funnily enough, when Labour get in I imagine the deal they'll negotiate will probably look rather similar to May's.OllyT said:
The Tories cower before the ERG ultras and live in terror of Farage Whatever Sunak and Hunt suggest with regard to the EU they will back down the moment the hardliners scream "Brexit betrayal". What is in the country's best interests doesn't get a look in.Scott_xP said:One ERG-er was blaming “complete failure SpAds” for the Swiss-style arrangements briefing over the weekend, which of course is no criticism of Will Dry, who’s just been appointed.
But given his hinterland, I am told his appointment is causing the ERG to “massively kick off”. https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1594714251230605313
Our trading situation is not going to improve significantly until the Conservatives are out of office.0 -
It is quite hard to roll a 911 and live to tell the tale as you'd have to be going very fast and fuck up very badly to do it. My three rolls were Golf (mine), Mini (RAF) and Yaris (hired by MoD). The Golf still had two years of payments left when I wrote it off. Only 3rd party insurance. Lol.FrancisUrquhart said:
Things I didn't have down on the bingo card - Dura_Ace, rolling a Yaris....a Porsche, perhaps, but a Yaris, nope didn't have that.Dura_Ace said:
Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.Cookie said:
In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.Ghedebrav said:
Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.0 -
A friend of mine was in China many years ago on a business trip. He asked to stop for something to eat and his businessman host ushered him into a place with nice smelling food. Handed him a menu with lots of Chinese writing and, curiously, pictures of attractive women. After a few moment of politely looking at it he admitted he didn't know what the writing said so wasn't sure what food would be good.SandyRentool said:
Some years ago I was in Qatar on a work trip. Sitting in the hotel bar, it was pointed out to me that local blokes were using the place to pick up prostitutes. Once you knew what to look for, it was obvious.rcs1000 said:
You can drink and fornicate.Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Just not legally.
Then being somewhat horrified to be told the place only did one type of noodles and that the menu was for which woman you wanted to go with them.0 -
I visited it when it was being built, and it had six giant Linde air separators, each the size of a football pitch, sitting on pylons.Cookie said:
Well that sounds a commendable and useful thing. But it's hardly a thing to make the spirit soar.rcs1000 said:
It has the Shell Pearl GTL project. Which is pretty cool if you're into the energy industry.Cookie said:
In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.Ghedebrav said:
Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"Cookie said:
Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.Leon said:Far far too many empty seats - again
This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA
Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
If we were to back to the 'loveliest counties' list from over the summer: I would suggest even before the oppressive regime is considered, there is not one British county less lovely than Qatar. Not even Caithness.
We're standing at the top of one of the pylons, having everything explained by a Shell engineer.
"When this plant is operating at full capacity, these ASUs will be drawing out more oxygen from the air than all the living things in Qatar"
"Wow", I said, "if I were to stand here, would I notice?"
"You wouldn't want to stand here," said the engineer with an incredulous look that said - roughly - this man is a complete idiot.1 -
It was a wonderful start. We looked great and seemed to know exactly where our teammates were. The through ball from Bellingham to Wilson for the sixth goal was a thing of utter beauty – remarkably he won't get the assist because Wilson unselfishly passed it to Grealish to tap in.Leon said:Netherlands are busily showing how hard it can be to crack the "smaller teams"
0-0 after an hour. I thought our game would be like this: cagey, anxious, close
Beating Iran 6-2 was a splendid achievement. Keep it up Gareth0 -
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The Netherlands team is nowhere near as good as England's. Our midfield and forwards are world class or near world class in every position and we've got a world class bench. If we had two better central defenders this team would be favourites to win the WC.Leon said:Netherlands are busily showing how hard it can be to crack the "smaller teams"
0-0 after an hour. I thought our game would be like this: cagey, anxious, close
Beating Iran 6-2 was a splendid achievement. Keep it up Gareth
If the Dutch scramble a 1-0 they'll be very lucky here, but I think that's about par for this team with that set of forwards. Senegal, despite only being two places above Iran, have got a way better team than Iran, if Mane was playing they'd be winning right now IMO, they are AFCON champions and Africa is a way better footballing region than Asia. Iran's real ranking is probably higher than 100, not 20 it's just a quirk of the weightings and them being from a shit region that gives them that ranking. They're like Celtic or Rangers, good for their league but absolutely crap otherwise (see Rangers and Celtic in the Champions League).0 -
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How on earth did he come to omit the word 'woke' from that tirade? Still, he got in 'virtue signals', so he's nearly learned the script.Andy_JS said:
From WikipediaFrancisUrquhart said:I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....
Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound
None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.
You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588
"In January 2021 Nawaz signed an open letter to the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies asking them to investigate the possibility that COVID-19 lockdowns were a "global fraud" promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party intended to "impoverish the nations" that implemented them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz#COVID-190
