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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Most likely scores according to Betfair punters.

    1-0 Netherlands win: 6.2
    2-0 Netherlands win: 7.8
    1-1 draw: 8
    2-1 Netherlands win: 10
    0-0 draw: 10.5
    3-0 Netherlands win: 15
    1-0 Senegal win: 16.5

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.197093932

    I might put a few quid on a 3-0 win for the Netherlands. I'm feeling lucky.
    Janssen and Bergwijn in that front 3. Don't see where the goals come from.
    32 minutes in (not that I'm watching), your pessimism on the Dutch as goalscorers looks justified.
    Not a vintage Dutch team. But then neither was the 2010 side.
    There have been some hefty wagers on Netherlands to lift the trophy. When did they stop being Holland btw?
    'Holland' is an informal and not-technically-correct name for the Netherlands - technically Holland is just two of the 12 regions, albeit two of the most populous ones, containing Amsterdam, Rotterdam and the Hague.

    cf (a bit) foreigners using 'England' as shorthand for the UK.
    Or Dubai for UAE?
  • Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.

    Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):

    Labour 49% (+1)
    Conservative 28% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Reform UK 5% (–)
    Green 4% (–)
    SNP 4% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1

    Broken sleazy LDs and SNP on the slide?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    You can drink and fornicate.

    Just not legally.
    Some years ago I was in Qatar on a work trip. Sitting in the hotel bar, it was pointed out to me that local blokes were using the place to pick up prostitutes. Once you knew what to look for, it was obvious.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957

    @christiancalgie
    Here's an interesting appointment - former Remain campaigner for 'Our Future Our Choice' Will Dry has joined No. 10 as a SpAd 👀


    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1594714251230605313

    Given Remain had all the advantages and still lost, anybody associated with running the Remain campaign should be unemployable beyond flipping burgers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....

    Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound

    None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.

    You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.

    https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588

    Certainly it seems his personal journey has ended up at similar levels of extremism, just on different themes.

    I love this totally non hypocritical attempt by Nawaz, Fifa and others, to say that you cannot raise any concerns because it would be hypocritical to do so. Which conveniently means no one can ever raise any complaints about such regimes. After all, if you (or rather your country) has ever done anything wrong, that means others doing wrong becomes fine. Two wrongs make a right as we know.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880
    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"
    In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.
    Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
    Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957

    Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.

    Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):

    Labour 49% (+1)
    Conservative 28% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Reform UK 5% (–)
    Green 4% (–)
    SNP 4% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1

    Broken sleazy LDs and SNP on the slide?
    It's a two horse race......
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Most likely scores according to Betfair punters.

    1-0 Netherlands win: 6.2
    2-0 Netherlands win: 7.8
    1-1 draw: 8
    2-1 Netherlands win: 10
    0-0 draw: 10.5
    3-0 Netherlands win: 15
    1-0 Senegal win: 16.5

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.197093932

    I might put a few quid on a 3-0 win for the Netherlands. I'm feeling lucky.
    Janssen and Bergwijn in that front 3. Don't see where the goals come from.
    32 minutes in (not that I'm watching), your pessimism on the Dutch as goalscorers looks justified.
    Not a vintage Dutch team. But then neither was the 2010 side.
    There have been some hefty wagers on Netherlands to lift the trophy. When did they stop being Holland btw?
    'Holland' is an informal and not-technically-correct name for the Netherlands - technically Holland is just two of the 12 regions, albeit two of the most populous ones, containing Amsterdam, Rotterdam and the Hague.

    cf (a bit) foreigners using 'England' as shorthand for the UK.
    Funny thing is the official Netherlands tourist website uses Holland as its name.

    https://www.holland.com/global/tourism.htm
    Might as well lean into it and ensure that people at least end up in the right site despite the misconception.

    Like how the Security Service's website is MI5.gov

    https://www.mi5.gov.uk/

    The Secret Intelligence Service's is not MI6.gov, but for both of them their logo includes the thing people actually call them, as well as their actual name.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,341
    Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.

    Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):

    Labour 49% (+1)
    Conservative 28% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Reform UK 5% (–)
    Green 4% (–)
    SNP 4% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1

    You do wonder how a party no-one has heard of can get 5%.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"
    In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.
    Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
    It has the Shell Pearl GTL project. Which is pretty cool if you're into the energy industry.
    The same FT technology as implemented by Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa. Coincidentally.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    kle4 said:

    I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....

    Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound

    None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.

    You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.

    https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588

    Certainly it seems his personal journey has ended up at similar levels of extremism, just on different themes.

    I love this totally non hypocritical attempt by Nawaz, Fifa and others, to say that you cannot raise any concerns because it would be hypocritical to do so. Which conveniently means no one can ever raise any complaints about such regimes. After all, if you (or rather your country) has ever done anything wrong, that means others doing wrong becomes fine. Two wrongs make a right as we know.
    I don't know if he got hit on the head or he was always hiding this nutty side. I mean he carved out a pretty good career as this moderate bloke who had interesting things to say, and let not forget had to employ protection, because of his take on how Islam needed reform.

    Thrown all that away to be a nutter raging on twitter.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.

    Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):

    Labour 49% (+1)
    Conservative 28% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Reform UK 5% (–)
    Green 4% (–)
    SNP 4% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1

    You do wonder how a party no-one has heard of can get 5%.

    I'd expect them to be on at least 10% atm. But their leader is invisible.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,182
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Labour leads by 21%—their 5th consecutive poll with a 20+ point lead.

    Westminster Voting Intention (20 Nov.):

    Labour 49% (+1)
    Conservative 28% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 9% (-1)
    Reform UK 5% (–)
    Green 4% (–)
    SNP 4% (-1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 16-17 Nov.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-20-november-2022/ https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1594737537792212995/photo/1

    You do wonder how a party no-one has heard of can get 5%.

    I suspect simply by being on the list and being none of the above.
    There may also possibly be some confusion with whatever Change UK ended up being called.
  • Ghedebrav said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Entirely off topic, but a 1427 coin from England has been discovered by a metal detectorist in Newfoundland, raising questions about pre-Columbian contact:
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/a-centuries-old-coin-could-change-what-we-know-about-european-contact-with-north-america/ar-AA14kJrs?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=25513237e62344d88cfd6218a64c333b

    Of course, it's entirely possible that post-Columbian emigrants took a very old coin with them.

    Surely old news? Viking settlement is long established. There is a great book - "A voyage long and strange" on this subject.
    But it can't be Vikings with a 1427 coin!
    The implication in the article is that there was contact and trade with the eastern seaboard of America - especially Northumberland - half a century and more before Columbus. I don't think it's inconceivable - if you had discovered a new land whose seas teemed with fish, you wouldn't necessarily tell all and sundry about it.
    I think its all bound up with Greenland etc. I suspect trading had been going on for centuries before Columbus.
    I've read that Basque and (maybe) British cod fishers may well have fished off the east coast of North America prior to Columbus - but kept their new-found (and fecund) hunting grounds a trade secret.

    On the other side, some potential pre-Columbian contact between Polynesians and the Pacific coast of South America is plausible (the sweet potato question) but not proven.

    Not as far, but going back much further there was supposedly a (pretty ropey) Phoenician find in the Azores. Not impossible given they almost certainly did circumnavigate Africa.
    As well as possible contacts between Shan China and Mesoamerica based on archaeological finds.
    No doubt however that the Spanish 'discovery' was the most significant since the original migration over the Bering Strait.
    I have a theory, which is probably completely bollocks, that the shortest ancient migration route from Africa to the New World is from Senegal to Brazil.
    It is. If you look at https://www.windy.com/ the trade winds are doing what they always do and whisking you straight across (or perhaps a bit higher to Venezuela or the Windward islands).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"
    In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.
    Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
    Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.
    Things I didn't have down on the bingo card - Dura_Ace, rolling a Yaris....a Porsche, perhaps, but a Yaris, nope didn't have that.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279

    I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....

    Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound

    None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.

    You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.

    https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588

    From Wikipedia

    "In January 2021 Nawaz signed an open letter to the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies asking them to investigate the possibility that COVID-19 lockdowns were a "global fraud" promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party intended to "impoverish the nations" that implemented them."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz#COVID-19
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,281
    edited November 2022
    Not sure if anyone on here does the Wiki polling graph but the Deltapoll 51/25 poll (end date 19 Nov) has been entered about two weeks into the future on the graph which is badly messing up the line of best fit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • Andy_JS said:

    I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....

    Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound

    None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.

    You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.

    https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588

    From Wikipedia

    "In January 2021 Nawaz signed an open letter to the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies asking them to investigate the possibility that COVID-19 lockdowns were a "global fraud" promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party intended to "impoverish the nations" that implemented them."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz#COVID-19
    You shouldn't out Leon like that ;-)
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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"
    In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.
    Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
    Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.
    How many three car rollovers have you had? Must take some level of planning...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,210
    Netherlands are busily showing how hard it can be to crack the "smaller teams"

    0-0 after an hour. I thought our game would be like this: cagey, anxious, close

    Beating Iran 6-2 was a splendid achievement. Keep it up Gareth
  • OllyT said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One ERG-er was blaming “complete failure SpAds” for the Swiss-style arrangements briefing over the weekend, which of course is no criticism of Will Dry, who’s just been appointed.

    But given his hinterland, I am told his appointment is causing the ERG to “massively kick off”.
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1594714251230605313

    The Tories cower before the ERG ultras and live in terror of Farage Whatever Sunak and Hunt suggest with regard to the EU they will back down the moment the hardliners scream "Brexit betrayal". What is in the country's best interests doesn't get a look in.

    Our trading situation is not going to improve significantly until the Conservatives are out of office.
    Funnily enough, when Labour get in I imagine the deal they'll negotiate will probably look rather similar to May's.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880

    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"
    In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.
    Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
    Bahrain has very seedy night-life and was the location of one of my three car roll-overs (Toyota Yaris). Also very genial cops who weren't particularly arsed about foreigners rolling Yarises. As a run ashore I'd rate it above both Dubai and Doha.
    Things I didn't have down on the bingo card - Dura_Ace, rolling a Yaris....a Porsche, perhaps, but a Yaris, nope didn't have that.
    It is quite hard to roll a 911 and live to tell the tale as you'd have to be going very fast and fuck up very badly to do it. My three rolls were Golf (mine), Mini (RAF) and Yaris (hired by MoD). The Golf still had two years of payments left when I wrote it off. Only 3rd party insurance. Lol.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,800

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    You can drink and fornicate.

    Just not legally.
    Some years ago I was in Qatar on a work trip. Sitting in the hotel bar, it was pointed out to me that local blokes were using the place to pick up prostitutes. Once you knew what to look for, it was obvious.
    A friend of mine was in China many years ago on a business trip. He asked to stop for something to eat and his businessman host ushered him into a place with nice smelling food. Handed him a menu with lots of Chinese writing and, curiously, pictures of attractive women. After a few moment of politely looking at it he admitted he didn't know what the writing said so wasn't sure what food would be good.

    Then being somewhat horrified to be told the place only did one type of noodles and that the menu was for which woman you wanted to go with them.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Far far too many empty seats - again

    This is a fucking world cup. Five billion people would love tickets for any game. Stupid greedy FIFA

    Well they would, but not at any price. And having to go to a shitty desert theocracy where you can't drink or fornicate is quite a high price to pay.
    Ha. To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "I'll accept one, but not both!"
    In fact, I wonder if Qatar is the shittiest country in the world. I've had a hunt round on Google maps - it appears to be utterly lacking in any natural beauty whatsoever. Nothing evident to lift the spirit in any way.
    Actually, Bahrain looks even grimmer.
    It has the Shell Pearl GTL project. Which is pretty cool if you're into the energy industry.
    Well that sounds a commendable and useful thing. But it's hardly a thing to make the spirit soar.

    If we were to back to the 'loveliest counties' list from over the summer: I would suggest even before the oppressive regime is considered, there is not one British county less lovely than Qatar. Not even Caithness.
    I visited it when it was being built, and it had six giant Linde air separators, each the size of a football pitch, sitting on pylons.

    We're standing at the top of one of the pylons, having everything explained by a Shell engineer.

    "When this plant is operating at full capacity, these ASUs will be drawing out more oxygen from the air than all the living things in Qatar"

    "Wow", I said, "if I were to stand here, would I notice?"

    "You wouldn't want to stand here," said the engineer with an incredulous look that said - roughly - this man is a complete idiot.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,598
    Leon said:

    Netherlands are busily showing how hard it can be to crack the "smaller teams"

    0-0 after an hour. I thought our game would be like this: cagey, anxious, close

    Beating Iran 6-2 was a splendid achievement. Keep it up Gareth

    It was a wonderful start. We looked great and seemed to know exactly where our teammates were. The through ball from Bellingham to Wilson for the sixth goal was a thing of utter beauty – remarkably he won't get the assist because Wilson unselfishly passed it to Grealish to tap in.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    New Thread

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Leon said:

    Netherlands are busily showing how hard it can be to crack the "smaller teams"

    0-0 after an hour. I thought our game would be like this: cagey, anxious, close

    Beating Iran 6-2 was a splendid achievement. Keep it up Gareth

    The Netherlands team is nowhere near as good as England's. Our midfield and forwards are world class or near world class in every position and we've got a world class bench. If we had two better central defenders this team would be favourites to win the WC.

    If the Dutch scramble a 1-0 they'll be very lucky here, but I think that's about par for this team with that set of forwards. Senegal, despite only being two places above Iran, have got a way better team than Iran, if Mane was playing they'd be winning right now IMO, they are AFCON champions and Africa is a way better footballing region than Asia. Iran's real ranking is probably higher than 100, not 20 it's just a quirk of the weightings and them being from a shit region that gives them that ranking. They're like Celtic or Rangers, good for their league but absolutely crap otherwise (see Rangers and Celtic in the Champions League).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,080
    Goal!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,008
    Andy_JS said:

    I remember when he used to be of moderate voice of common sense and was quite a favourite on PB as the bloke a lot of people would vote for regardless of party....

    Please STFU about Qatar. You have no idea how nauseatingly neo-colonial your virtue-signals sound

    None of you forced-jab supporting, baby-injecting, lockdown-loving, mask-mandating, science-denying transhumanist cheerleaders for globalist technocrats have ANY moral authority.

    You election-interfering, Hunter-Biden laptop denying, Ukraine war-mongering, money-laundering, media-slaving hypocrites.

    https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1594713923294531588

    From Wikipedia

    "In January 2021 Nawaz signed an open letter to the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies asking them to investigate the possibility that COVID-19 lockdowns were a "global fraud" promulgated by the Chinese Communist Party intended to "impoverish the nations" that implemented them."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz#COVID-19
    How on earth did he come to omit the word 'woke' from that tirade? Still, he got in 'virtue signals', so he's nearly learned the script.
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