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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    23 November.
    It is a very movable feast though. I can count at least 4 dates given.
    I wonder if cancelling the Halloween date will, er, spook the markets?
  • What's great about yet another new PM is that they keep testing new potential candidates! Thank goodness the rotating slate of senior ministers don't actually haver any responsibilities or do anything.

    No, wait...
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    I wonder if cancelling the Halloween date will, er, spook the markets?
    I doubt it - the "proper" date is towards the end of November, and the only reason they had to bring it forward was to deal with the Trussterfuck which has now been assuaged.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,147

    Not really.

    I would scrap the automatic state pension and have it as a safety net just like other benefits. We should not be paying state pension to those who already have reasonable private pension provision or savings.
    I would increase the minimum wage to make it a proper living wage paid by employers so that the taxpayer is not subsidising companies who choose to pay their employees less than they need to live on.
    Associated with the above I would look at scrapping all benefits for anyone earning more than the average income.

    That is just for starters. There are plenty more areas to look at.
    Interesting. I could certainly see a time when the state pension becomes just a safety net/means tested.
  • What's great about yet another new PM is that they keep testing new potential candidates! Thank goodness the rotating slate of senior ministers don't actually haver any responsibilities or do anything.

    No, wait...

    Death Rigby claiming that Simon Case advised against appointing Braverman.

    How ridiculous that his first full day of Premiership is being dominated by re-appointing someone who was rightly sacked at the weekend.

    Still, only 2 more Prime Ministers to Christmas!
  • He looks so happy! Smiley Rishi.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,390

    Just turned on PMQs and seeing Mogg sitting on the back benches was truely pleasing

    Sitting or lying down?
  • Sitting or lying down?
    Squashed between colleagues
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,913
    edited October 2022

    Death Rigby claiming that Simon Case advised against appointing Braverman.

    How ridiculous that his first full day of Premiership is being dominated by re-appointing someone who was rightly sacked at the weekend.

    Still, only 2 more Prime Ministers to Christmas!
    I think we'll find out more about Rishi when the first scandal hits and we see his reaction to it.

    I don't think we can determine much from the probable result of horse trading that got him into position.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,147

    Where I live, the new fashion among the moderately rich is sending your children to the Free School, for sixth form.

    Private school has, by then, taught them how to learn. The school and teachers are reasonable. Topped up with £10k a year of tuition, of course.

    So when they go for interviews for uni, they can blag up being state educated. The school gets ever higher A level results….

    The families can afford much nicer ski holidays with the money saved.

    What’s not to like?

    Teachers, incidentally, are making a fortune in the tuition thing.
    FWIW, I think two professionals or semiprofessionals can probably afford to send *one* child to private school for 13 years as a day pupil.

    Let's say it's £15k per year and £1-2k "extras" then that's about £700 pcm each.

    You'd have to sacrifice new cars on PCP or a slightly larger mortgage/home extension but, if you were both on 40k+, you could do it.

    Problem comes with a second kid. I'd rather carry forward any inheritance and spend it now on that basis, to be honest.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,390

    Squashed between colleagues
    I'll feel a lot happier when a Labour landslide removes him from the Commons altogether!
  • Are Boris and Liz in the chamber...?
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127

    Interesting. I could certainly see a time when the state pension becomes just a safety net/means tested.
    Problem is that DC pensions are not going to come close to the standards offered by DB pensions.

    I hear the median pension pot for under 50s is under £50,000.

    They're not going to be Tory voting pensioners like the Boomers.

    Of course raising the pension age into the low 70s means an increasing number will simply drop in their traces.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381
    Starmer goes after Braverman
  • Straight in booting Braverman
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,147

    I don't buy that. I see no evidence of people demanding it be made easier to build streets at the edge of their village, build it elsewhere seems to be the demand made instead.

    It doesn't matter much if its the local vernacular, or executive, or anything else, people will still object because it "ruins their view/is too crowded/has no services/roads are congested/affects my house price/newts live there" or whatever other crap they want to come up with.
    To be honest, isn't that logical?

    If your view or peace is ruined, together with construction noise for 2 years plus, then why would you welcome that given you get nothing in return?

    It's not in their interests. You'd probably have to bunk 'em £5k each to meaningful reduce objections to new build, which of course would ruin the economics.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,956
    Pulpstar said:

    Lake District and much of Scotland has low demand for housing.

    Are we saying the current "housing crisis" be solved at the cost of London green belt
    No. We are separating facts and values. If you want values, IMHO Scotland is massively underpopulated, and has low demand for housing because no-one lives there and it would be better if they did. As it happens I live in England, but can see Scotland from my road.

    This, like much underpopulation, is due to the distortions of history and power, being centred too much in the bit of western Europe that includes London, Paris and Berlin but excludes Scotland and north England.

    BTW, most of the Green belt is ghastly and should be built on or properly rewilded.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,453

    I'll be surprised if Starmer focuses mainly on Braverman at the first PMQs. It's the ground Sunak would want to fight on - ie. his choice to bring back a minister who is tough (in words if not deeds) on immigration. A more productive set of questions, taking the opportunity to define Sunak would be:
    1. To bang on about Sunak trashing the levelling up agenda at the Tunbridge Wells Tories' garden party.
    2. To tackle the claim that the economic mess is all Truss and Kwarteng's fault and nothing to do with me guvnor. i.e. make the case that markets wouldn't have been so easily spooked and mortgage rates wouldn't be rising so quickly if Sunak had left a sounder foundation after 2.5 years as Chancellor.
    You should not have been surprised!
  • Starmer goes after Braverman

    He's a braver man than some.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,153
    edited October 2022

    Interesting. I could certainly see a time when the state pension becomes just a safety net/means tested.
    If you means-test it you create all the problems with incentives that result from the universal credit taper rate, the allowance withdrawal taper, etc, but for pensions savings. It would destroy the incentive for most people to save for a pension.

    Do what Bartholomew suggests and simply put pensioner taxes up instead. You get to a similar end point but with fewer discontinuities and perverse incentives.
  • I think we'll find out more about Rishi when the first scandal hits and we see his reaction to it.

    I don't think we can determine much from the probable result of horse trading that got him into position.
    The first scandal has already hit, within 24 hours, and its completely self-inflicted.

    Second chances after a period on the backbenches are fair enough, but she was entirely justifiably sacked less than a week ago.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,910

    Rishi didn't answer that question.

    Massive.

    Nor the very first on new onshore wind.
  • Braverman will be gone ASAP.
  • To be honest, isn't that logical?

    If your view or peace is ruined, together with construction noise for 2 years plus, then why would you welcome that given you get nothing in return?

    It's not in their interests. You'd probably have to bunk 'em £5k each to meaningful reduce objections to new build, which of course would ruin the economics.
    Or tell them to mind their own business and they don't own the view and if they want to, they can buy it, but if they don't then someone else does and they need a place to live.
  • Rishi didn't answer that question.

    Massive.

    What question [innocent face]
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    The first scandal has already hit, within 24 hours, and its completely self-inflicted.

    Second chances after a period on the backbenches are fair enough, but she was entirely justifiably sacked less than a week ago.
    Agree with this. It should be obvious that you can't reappoint someone to HS just a week after them resigning due to a misdemeanour. Going to cause Rishi a massive unnecessary headache.
  • What question [innocent face]
    Did any officials raise any objections/concerns about Braverman returning to the Home Office.
  • Green card Rishi
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381
    Non-doms, who would have guessed.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    Sunak is clearly better at this than either of his two predecessors. But Starmer has also stepped up; the lines are simpler, and easily repeated.
  • Sunak's answers are bouncy and he is full of energy. Which is good!

    But his answers are student politics. And his bouncy hot air will create a lot of problems for him.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,789
    edited October 2022

    Did any officials raise any objections/concerns about Braverman returning to the Home Office.
    I know, I was deflecting like Rishi
  • Non-doms, who would have guessed.

    Truss must be gutted.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,668
    Good from both Starmer and Sunak.

    Starmer a good tone; Rishi only just this side of smarmy but perhaps understandable given the apparent support behind him.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    Rishi didn't answer that question.

    Massive.

    A Prime Minister answering a question would be massive.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    One of Sunak's strengths is that he is not prepared to issue bare-faced lies from the dispatch box. This is, overall, a good thing for politics. Paradoxically, this makes things easier for Starmer, as he can ask questions which are hard to answer.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381
    edited October 2022
    Rishi actually answers a question
  • Starmer is facing a very different challenge
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,186
    Sunak not doing especially well (sounds a bit juvenile at times) - but God, Starmer is hopeless at PMQs. He has had enough practice too....
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243
    TOPPING said:

    Best bit of PMQs so far was the heckle during the question saying how Sunak had fought the most recent leadership contest. Heckle: "which he lost".

    There's a line, isn't there? "How does it feel to be second choice to Liz Truss?"
  • Lettuce gag.

    Awesome.
  • Rishi very happy to admit that mistakes were made. By Truss. He will endlessly stick that boot in.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Maybe he’ll get better with practice.
  • Braverman will be gone ASAP.

    She was gone. A week ago.

    Incomprehensible why she was brought back within a week. Inexcusable.

    Starmer is doing well today. Sunak is doing OK, but he's made so many mistakes before and Starmer is hitting the open goals before him.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,396
    Starmer is excellent. Sunak is just Johnson revisited
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,453
    Starmer gets the buzz-word bingo win for "general election"......
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,390

    FWIW, I think two professionals or semiprofessionals can probably afford to send *one* child to private school for 13 years as a day pupil.

    Let's say it's £15k per year and £1-2k "extras" then that's about £700 pcm each.

    You'd have to sacrifice new cars on PCP or a slightly larger mortgage/home extension but, if you were both on 40k+, you could do it.

    Problem comes with a second kid. I'd rather carry forward any inheritance and spend it now on that basis, to be honest.
    It's just not necessary. If your kids are smart and work hard they will do well in all but the worst state secondary schools (and if you are middle class you will almost certainly not be in the catchment for the worst schools). They will probably be better at independent study, too - certainly my experience at uni. And they will be at ease with a broader cross section of society having gone to school with the 93% of kids who attend state schools rather than the 7% of mostly rich kids who didn't.
    None of us - my brother and sister and me - went to private school or had private tuition - and we went to Oxford, St Andrews and Cambridge for our undergraduate degrees. My wife and I could afford to send all three of our kids private but we just don't consider it money well spent. So far so good, our eldest got good GCSEs and is now at an excellent and highly academic state sixth form.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,186
    Roger said:

    Starmer is excellent. Sunak is just Johnson revisited

    Lol. Rogerdamus
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    Mortimer said:

    Sunak not doing especially well (sounds a bit juvenile at times) - but God, Starmer is hopeless at PMQs. He has had enough practice too....

    I think you are wrong on today's performance. He's been unusually clear, direct and betraying a modicum of wit.
  • Starmer gets the buzz-word bingo win for "general election"......

    Lettuce wins it for me.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Mortimer said:

    I think its entirely likely that energy bills will have fallen dramatically by April 2023
    I think that its entirely likely that energy costs will have fallen dramatically by April 2023. However, given that energy costs are currently way in excess of actual bills, limited in the case of gas by the 7.5p per unit consumer price cap, I think it unlikely that costs will have fallen so far that we won't need a further price cap to avoid bills going up further in April. And remember, the pain of the rise to the current price cap has only just begun, people may be able to use up savings to cope for a month or two, but well into 2023 is another matter.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Mortimer said:

    Sunak not doing especially well (sounds a bit juvenile at times) - but God, Starmer is hopeless at PMQs. He has had enough practice too....

    I don't think it was practice for this.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Foxy said:

    A common feature of successful British sitcoms is the feeling of being trapped and held back by circumstances, with the humour coming from that desperation.
    A common feature of Britain is the feeling of being trapped and held back by circumstances, with the political activism coming from that desperation.

    Fixed.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,147

    Or tell them to mind their own business and they don't own the view and if they want to, they can buy it, but if they don't then someone else does and they need a place to live.
    Sure, you can do that, but then you can't expect them to just shut up about it - they'll still object and vote accordingly.
  • Watching this you have to ask WTAF Tory giffers were thinking when they went for bondage Liz. Rishi may well lose the next election, but he is a player and this is going to be great fun.

    Just think how his bouncing jollity will go down as his government takes an axe to public services and welfare benefits!
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381
    Sunak - confident delivery, but couldn't give satisfactory answers on non-doms or Braverman. Did better on the last couple of questions.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Doesn’t change the fundamentals. Tory party still in a hole. Still Keir Starmer’s election to lose. But that was a massacre. Rishi Sunak was ready for Keir Starmer on every question. Labour MPs will be concerned.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1585228576432934912
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    Selebian said:

    There's a line, isn't there? "How does it feel to be second choice to Liz Truss?"
    Labour's achievement in this PMQs has been *not* to mention Truss, and focus on the team they are playing today. I feared that they would be all over the shop, fighting last week's battles. But (notwithstanding the potential for future backbench numpties asking daft questions) they have done well so far. Let the Tories remind us of Truss.
  • Sure, you can do that, but then you can't expect them to just shut up about it - they'll still object and vote accordingly.
    Yes, you can't stop people from engaging in self-centred, antisocial behaviour.

    But you can stop pandering to them.
  • Looks like Ian Blackford could do with eating a bit more lettuce
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,147

    Sunak's confidence at the despatch box really is reminiscent of Blair.

    I think he'll learn quickly.

    And where does Starmer get his half swallowed a shuttlecock/half gawky anoraky trainspotter voice from?

    God, it's odd.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,913

    The first scandal has already hit, within 24 hours, and its completely self-inflicted.

    Second chances after a period on the backbenches are fair enough, but she was entirely justifiably sacked less than a week ago.
    I meant since his appointment, although perhaps I was being a bit naughty drawing such a line.

    She was probably sacked for having a stand up row with Truss. I though the email thing was very strange - I would guess it is all too common (if totally wrong) but we don't normally get to hear about it.

    Admittedly, if she has breached the official secrets act then it could get more interesting.
  • Mortimer said:

    Lol. Rogerdamus
    Remind us all of your vote for Truss and predictions for her premiership.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,390

    Doesn’t change the fundamentals. Tory party still in a hole. Still Keir Starmer’s election to lose. But that was a massacre. Rishi Sunak was ready for Keir Starmer on every question. Labour MPs will be concerned.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1585228576432934912

    I assume it was a 6-0 victory for Starmer then.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,765
    Well, I thought Sunak was trying too hard to be a Boris Johnson tribute act, with all the boosterism, evasion and deflection, going on about Corbyn, snide comments about North London, and telling mistruths (no, Labour does not want unlimited immigration). Pretty disappointing.
  • I meant since his appointment, although perhaps I was being a bit naughty drawing such a line.

    She was probably sacked for having a stand up row with Truss. I though the email thing was very strange - I would guess it is all too common (if totally wrong) but we don't normally get to hear about it.

    Admittedly, if she has breached the official secrets act then it could get more interesting.
    It is since his appointment. Appointing her within a week of her being sacked, allegedly against Simon Case's advice, is a scandal and its entirely self-inflicted.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    Doesn’t change the fundamentals. Tory party still in a hole. Still Keir Starmer’s election to lose. But that was a massacre. Rishi Sunak was ready for Keir Starmer on every question. Labour MPs will be concerned.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1585228576432934912

    They have a route to prevent their annihilation. Labour get in with a small majority and tear themselves apart trying to balance the books. Tories back 5 years later to sort it out.
  • Sunak's confidence at the despatch box really is reminiscent of Blair.

    Very
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    Doesn’t change the fundamentals. Tory party still in a hole. Still Keir Starmer’s election to lose. But that was a massacre. Rishi Sunak was ready for Keir Starmer on every question. Labour MPs will be concerned.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1585228576432934912

    That would be baffling if it wasn't expected. Sunak didn't even address several of Starmer's questions; that gets him through PMQs, but absolutely confirms which lines are the ones to repeat (the refusal to deny that officials raised concerns about Braverman being a key element).
  • Doesn’t change the fundamentals. Tory party still in a hole. Still Keir Starmer’s election to lose. But that was a massacre. Rishi Sunak was ready for Keir Starmer on every question. Labour MPs will be concerned.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1585228576432934912

    But if it's Dan Hodges saying it, that could mean that the Tories aren't in a hole, it's Sunak's election to lose but Sunak was hopeless and Labour MPs will be releived.
  • Very
    ...indeed if you turn the video off an listen, his voice sounds very similar too
  • RunDeepRunDeep Posts: 77

    Labour are in no position to lecture on diversity, whether gender or race.

    It's not like the Tories haven't given Labour enough ammunition with which to beat them around the head . Stupid politics by Labour, flagging up their hypocrisy.

    Labour need to work on their knee-jerk reactions. They get too easily triggered.
    They are in no position to lecture on diversity in sex, which is the protected characteristic, not gender. You'd think the party which introduced the Equality Act would know that.

    On the Home Secretary position, is it possible that Mordaunt was offered it and turned it down?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Well, I thought Sunak was trying too hard to be a Boris Johnson tribute act, with all the boosterism, evasion and deflection, going on about Corbyn, snide comments about North London, and telling mistruths (no, Labour does not want unlimited immigration). Pretty disappointing.

    I’d be fairer than that. Yes Sunak was poor at his first PMQs - but where you say evasive, that can actually be a good skilful performance, Starmer phrased a couple of questions on Braverman “did officials tell you don’t do it” that Sunak was wise not to attempt to answer. Numpty Truss for example would have answered yes.

    Sunak had a sheet “if in trouble and can’t answer the question, reach for this instead”

    Half way through his first PMQs Sunak looked down and he had used it all.

    I’m surprised Sunak was so poor today, he has been excellent in the commons in the past. Nerves? That would explain the weird nervous grinning. Punch and Judy politics where you have to get shouty, not really his style?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,011
    edited October 2022
    Rishi's response to Caroline Lucas looks as if fracking is over and Lucus smiled and clapped
  • Politics of envy on show from the very thickest on the Labour benches
  • Ding Dong Burgon sounds like such a wazzock
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381

    But if it's Dan Hodges saying it, that could mean that the Tories aren't in a hole, it's Sunak's election to lose but Sunak was hopeless and Labour MPs will be releived.
    Hodges talking bollocks. Rishi's answers on Braverman and non-doms was not great.
  • Rishi's response to Caroline Lucas looks as if fracking is over and Lucus smiled and clapped

    It was never going to start? With Labour against and ahead in the polls, no projects would move forward quickly enough.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    edited October 2022
    I'm surprised about the Welsh Lamb market.

    We currently export £29m/year of meat *total* to the US. The US consumes approximately zero lamb. And yet we are predicting ~£7m of Welsh Lamb exports per year. That's about a 25% increase in the export value! I find that hard to believe.

    It's not that it isn't good to open that market, but it sounds like bobbins to me.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,765

    I’d be fairer than that. Yes Sunak was poor at his first PMQs - but where you say evasive, that can actually be a good skilful performance, Starmer phrased a couple of questions on Braverman “did officials tell you don’t do it” that Sunak was wise not to attempt to answer. Numpty Truss for example would have answered yes.

    Sunak had a sheet “if in trouble and can’t answer the question, reach for this instead”

    Half way through his first PMQs Sunak looked down and he had used it all.

    I’m surprised Sunak was so poor today, he has been excellent in the commons in the past. Nerves? That would explain the weird nervous grinning. Punch and Judy politics where you have to get shouty, not really his style?
    Yes. Sunak started by saying to Starmer 'let's have grown-up politics at PMQs', then rapidly descended into knockabout, irrelevant stuff and, as you say, Punch and Judy politics.
  • Rishi's response to Caroline Lucas looks as if fracking is over and Lucus smiled and clapped

    Fracking? Over? But I have heard from various Tories out there and even on here that fracking isn't just wonderful, it will actually improve the environment...
  • Fracking? Over? But I have heard from various Tories out there and even on here that fracking isn't just wonderful, it will actually improve the environment...
    Another Truss policy binned
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243
    mwadams said:

    I'm surprised about the Welsh Lamb market.

    We currently export £29m/year of meat *total* to the US. The US consumes approximately zero lamb. And yet we are predicting ~£7m of Welsh Lamb exports per year. That's about a 25% increase in the export value! I find that hard to believe.

    It's not that it isn't good to open that market, but it sounds like bobbins to me.

    Hmm, new role for Truss, going to the States to open new lamb markets?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    ...indeed if you turn the video off an listen, his voice sounds very similar too
    Not as much as Kwarteng. That was really confusing the first time I heard him on the radio.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    Very
    I think his affected glottal stops are very reminiscent of Blair, certainly!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Don't be ridiculous. One of the most politically stupid and partisan posts I have ever seen on here
    No.I think Roger summed it up pretty well there.

    Just like Boris, Sunak came armed, with a sheet “if in trouble and can’t answer the question, reach for this instead”

    Half way through his first PMQs Sunak looked down and he had used it all.

    But Boris did evasive non answers far better than Sunak did. It was just too patently obvious Sunak wasn’t answering questions just shouting back yah boo stuff not remotely like what was asked.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,153
    I think Starmer choose the wrong topics for his questions. The mention by Sunak of mistakes yesterday was an invitation for Starmer to tie Sunak to the record of the litany of mistakes by all the Tory governments over the last twelve years.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    An unbiased source tweets:

    A really poor performance by Sunak. The serious tone of yesterday was a fake. He’s like an ageing music hall comedian dragging out his predecessor’s old jokes and looking wounded when the only people who laugh are the rest of the cast.

    https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1585230089322909700

    It doesn’t matter what he thinks. It doesn’t matter what we think. What matters is what Conservative MPs think - and I suspect they’ll be happy…
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    I was dreading Stephen Kinnock's intervention as he rose and started out - but actually, that was one of the more effective contributions from the Labour benches.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,011
    edited October 2022
    Without sounding too partisan I am really very pleased with Rishi and labour have a whole new problem to deal with

    Indeed today's PMQ was, if one can say, quite enjoyable for the first time in months
  • I don't think Sunak's "of course they told me not to appoint Braverman" deflection will work. The question will keep coming back, someone will leak, and he will be forced to accept that he appointed her above the heads of the civil service.
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