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John GummerCasino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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David Miliband.Casino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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I'm fairly certain the catastrophic collapse in the SNP vote after the '79 referendum and general election counts as a reverse that happened in Osborne's lifetime.Flightpath said:
The whole purpose of devolution way back in1998 was to stop the nationalists and create a labour hegemony. Devolution itself was a defeat for unionists.Alistair said:
As the article itself points out the SNP have suffered far big reverses in Osborne's lifetime than getting support for a Yes vote from 25% to 45% in two years.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - displays a certain simplicity of (not to say simplistic) analysis.....Its a bit more complicated than 'we won, they lost.....'Alistair said:Blimmin' heck, George Osborne really actually did say "for the first time in my lifetime the march of the separatists has been reversed" in reference to Scotland.
That is a statement as thick as mince an beyond.
If he genuinely thinks what he said rather than just trying to create a reality bending soundbite then he is a buffoon.
And what came as a result of devolution? More Nationalism. A nationalist government. To me that is a strange definition of nationalist reverses.
What we have just had is a specific vote on independence and it failed by a significant majority. Mr Nelson's argument seems to me to be founded on the fact that many who voted Yes were not interested in 'independence' but theoir own miserable self esteeem and sense of entitlement.
I wonder if the comments space on this blog are becoming as big a haven for irrational malcontents as is Mr Nelsons own.
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Ken Clarke ?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
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Who hates Osborne enough to knock his speech off the front pages? Must narrow the field down to 100 or so.Casino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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DD?0
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I'm defecting to UKIP.
I'll bugger them up from the inside.0 -
DD and Farage? Ha Ha. I'd pay to watch that.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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Another self indulgent w*nker.Casino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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I don't think the pension reforms are an illusion, nor the raising of the IT threshold to £10k. But I agree he could have done more.Alanbrooke said:
Osborne ? Reforms ?Casino_Royale said:
I'm a big fan of track cycling. Osborne is the Chris Hoy in the 1:1 economics sprint race final.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure I understand the metaphor, but I don't think there will be any rabbits in the sense of giveaways. You were right in what you said a few moments ago: "serious man you can trust with economic credibility". It would be absolutely crazy to torpedo that - which is after all the strongest card the Tories have got - with giveaways, which would only serve to make people think they prefer Labour's fudges and giveaways (whatever they are - will we ever know?).Casino_Royale said:
I think that's exactly what he's doing. Osborne is pure politics.Tykejohnno said:
George Eaton @georgeeaton
The Tories had better hope Osborne is saving his best rabbits for Autumn Statement/Budget
It's a bit like deciding when to break for it in the velodrome sprint. He's been forced a bit higher up the track by slipping his wheel on a highly polished UKIP, and has fallen slightly behind the Labour leading rider. The rider who is quietly confident can maintain his lead for the next 2 laps.
Prepare for a photo finish.
Of course he might be able to pull out some inexpensive rabbits, and I expect he will. The pensions one today - an excellent measure in its own right, as Ros Altmann's article explains - is an example, but it's a small one in the overall scheme of things.
By giveaways, I don't mean unfunded giveaways. I mean highly targeted reforms that will speak to floating voters disproportionately. They must be structured around aspiration and rewarding hard work. Such as his pension reforms earlier this year. And his IHT pledge in 2007.
I gave a few ideas here a few days ago: a commitment to cut fuel duty, with a pre-annoucement of further future cuts; a reaffirmation to take all family homes out of inheritance tax (at £1m+); a 'ladder' to increase the 40% tax threshold over the next parliament to take out middle earners; a reform of council tax (to counter labours mansion tax) to extend bands at the upper end. All renters then get the 25% single person's discount, and the landlord pays the balance.
People need help to see the rewards that will ultimately result to buy into the tough choices now.
In your dreams. To appeal to voters that the slog is worth it he should have started 4 years ago to put some credibility behind the words and watch the benefits kick in around new.
He didn't ; so now anything he promises just looks like the empty electioneering it is.0 -
Cameron's back bencher troublemaker problems seem to be declining by the day ..TheWatcher said:
DD and Farage? Ha Ha. I'd pay to watch that.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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You've left yourself open to an easy joke that you wont like with that oneTheScreamingEagles said:I'm defecting to UKIP.
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Or his daughter?Sean_F said:
John GummerCasino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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It would be great to have David Davis. The people I most want to defect are civil liberties advocates and non-isolationists.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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Along with his 'what will I do with my next term of office' problem, unfortunately.TGOHF said:
Cameron's back bencher troublemaker problems seem to be declining by the day ..TheWatcher said:
DD and Farage? Ha Ha. I'd pay to watch that.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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UKIP do look a bit too isolationist currently, don't they.Socrates said:
It would be great to have David Davis. The people I most want to defect are civil liberties advocates and non-isolationists.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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It's quite clear from the early smoke signals from the Tory neanderthaals in Birmingham that the cpc14 is following a core vote strategy.1.ripping foxes to pieces bite by bite is designed to appease their trade union paymasters in the NFU-expect an announcement to end the neonic ban as well,the eradication of bees v.popular with donors.2.complete silence on climate change-Cameron and Osborne know 70% of Tory MPs are climate change deniers.None of this green crap to be seen,even the tree in the logo has virtualised.3.attack benefits and pretend it affects those who doss around all day on the sofa on political betting blogs when it is actually people who are working,mainly in low paid jobs,who get hit the hardest.Definitely a programme for committed Tories, a core vote strategy with lots of clear green water between the Tories and everyone else,notably 97% of science.0
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?volcanopete said:It's quite clear from the early smoke signals from the Tory neanderthaals in Birmingham that the cpc14 is following a core vote strategy.1.ripping foxes to pieces bite by bite is designed to appease their trade union paymasters in the NFU-expect an announcement to end the neonic ban as well,the eradication of bees v.popular with donors.2.complete silence on climate change-Cameron and Osborne know 70% of Tory MPs are climate change deniers.None of this green crap to be seen,even the tree in the logo has virtualised.3.attack benefits and pretend it affects those who doss around all day on the sofa on political betting blogs when it is actually people who are working,mainly in low paid jobs,who get hit the hardest.Definitely a programme for committed Tories, a core vote strategy with lots of clear green water between the Tories and everyone else,notably 97% of science.
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Urrrgh sounds messyTheScreamingEagles said:I'm defecting to UKIP.
I'll bugger them up from the inside.0 -
a core vote strategy with lots of clear green water between the Tories and everyone else,notably 97% of science.
UKIP has made the point that low paid workers and other vulnerable low income groups are hurt most by green taxes.
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Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
How did UKIP do in H&H in May?0 -
and Tories are going to take everyone human rights away in the UK.That gets the rabid right frothing.All that's left is the restoration of the death penalty and the repeal of gay marriage for the full Monty core vote strategy.0
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I think that holding out for the likes of Julian Hubbert might be a bit of a stretch... ;-)Socrates said:
It would be great to have David Davis. The people I most want to defect are civil liberties advocates and non-isolationists.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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Probably both. :-)TheWatcher said:
malky's trolling. Or he's spectacularly thick.JosiasJessop said:
Is it 'all we can manage', or 'all we need' to meet current requirements in the theatre? I'm pretty sure we didn't send all our aviation assets to Operation Granby, which was a much bigger intervention.malcolmg said:
Think you need to concentrate on the reality instead of deflecting to fantasy. 6 poxy planes is all the UK can manage , what an embarrassing joke , and UK always boasting about being one of the worlds major powers. LOL hopefully Dave does not upset Norway or Denmark in near future.0 -
He said no way on Sunday Politics yesterdayCasino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
How did UKIP do in H&H in May?
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Didn't DD say two days ago he'll die a Conservative? So my guess it's not him.Casino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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He ticks the 'Self Indulgent' box.Casino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
How did UKIP do in H&H in May?
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It's a terrible slogan (if that's what it's meant to be). It's vacuous and unfocussed.Richard_Nabavi said:
That is a brilliant slogan.Tykejohnno said:
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
"Decide or decline," says @George_Osborne. A new slogan is born. #cpc140 -
Ne'er mind, plenty left.Norm said:
Another self indulgent w*nker.Casino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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DD likes having by elections..
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Pleeeaaaase let it be someone that has been praised on here by Conservatives so the hypocrisy level reaches new heights!0
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Yes, that will help people forget about it. Well done, Mark Pritchard, MP.CarlottaVance said:Brooks Newmark sex sting: Ipso to investigate Sunday Mirror
Complaint over ‘entrapment’ leading to minister’s resignation provides first big test for regulator set up after Leveson inquiry
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/29/brooks-newmark-sex-sting-ipso-sunday-mirror?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Gordon Henderson and Adam Holloway are the two most obvious candidates, I'd have thought.0
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Talking about middle aged men making fools of themselves on Twitter:
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Brooks Newmark would be funny!0
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Indeed. @election_data on Twitter reckoned Adam Holloway last night having looked at the data.antifrank said:Gordon Henderson and Adam Holloway are the two most obvious candidates, I'd have thought.
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You seem to be struggling here - it's the deed that earns the displeasure not the personality (well generally).... and especially the manner in which they turncoat.isam said:Pleeeaaaase let it be someone that has been praised on here by Conservatives so the hypocrisy level reaches new heights!
Hence Reckless is a bigger pig-dog-traitor than Carswell.
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Nope. They look like a refreshing change from the usual unaffordable and disastrous American coat-tailing. If it upsets Telegraph columnists, so much the better.TheWatcher said:
UKIP do look a bit too isolationist currently, don't they.Socrates said:
It would be great to have David Davis. The people I most want to defect are civil liberties advocates and non-isolationists.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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Jacob Rees Mogg is my fav Tory so lets hope its him0
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But what our own oppressed down-trodden Socrates here. Think of him.Luckyguy1983 said:
Nope. They look like a refreshing change from the usual unaffordable and disastrous American coat-tailing. If it upsets Telegraph columnists, so much the better.TheWatcher said:
UKIP do look a bit too isolationist currently, don't they.Socrates said:
It would be great to have David Davis. The people I most want to defect are civil liberties advocates and non-isolationists.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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Whether that's small or large 'c' is open to interpretation. However, I don't think DD should cross over. His best bet is to remain within the Conservatives and wait for Cameron to be deposed.Norm said:
Didn't DD say two days ago he'll die a Conservative? So my guess it's not him.Casino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
How did UKIP do in H&H in May?
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Maybe he believes in reincarnationisam said:
He said no way on Sunday Politics yesterdayCasino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
How did UKIP do in H&H in May?
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Au contraire, I expect the full glare of publicity given to News Corp malfeasance from Labour the BBC, Guardian et al will now focus laser like on Trinity Mirror group.....or not.....(in fairness to the Guardian, they are leading this & their media correspondent was on R4 saying the Mirror had crossed the line)......DecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, that will help people forget about it. Well done, Mark Pritchard, MP.CarlottaVance said:Brooks Newmark sex sting: Ipso to investigate Sunday Mirror
Complaint over ‘entrapment’ leading to minister’s resignation provides first big test for regulator set up after Leveson inquiry
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/29/brooks-newmark-sex-sting-ipso-sunday-mirror?CMP=twt_gu
Interestingly both the Sun and Sunday Mail turned down the story - imagine - lower ethical standards than either the Sun or Mail!
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To be fair to Trump, there's no reason he should know who Fred/Rose West are..CarlottaVance said:Talking about middle aged men making fools of themselves on Twitter:
twitter.com/journodave/status/516557801423122432
It's a bit silly indeed.
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Do I publish the new thread or not?
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No, I am the defector!___Bobajob___ said:I am the defector
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It's curious how you can find mindless anti-Americanism and shameless kowtowing to Russia at both ends of the political spectrum.0
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Publish it so we find out who it is!TheScreamingEagles said:Do I publish the new thread or not?
Or is some traitorous pig dog derail it?
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It was catching a tory..I would imagine they collectively lose their sense of judgement when they sniff something..CarlottaVance said:
Au contraire, I expect the full glare of publicity given to News Corp malfeasance from Labour the BBC, Guardian et al will now focus laser like on Trinity Mirror group.....or not.....(in fairness to the Guardian, they are leading this & their media correspondent was on R4 saying the Mirror had crossed the line)......DecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, that will help people forget about it. Well done, Mark Pritchard, MP.CarlottaVance said:Brooks Newmark sex sting: Ipso to investigate Sunday Mirror
Complaint over ‘entrapment’ leading to minister’s resignation provides first big test for regulator set up after Leveson inquiry
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/29/brooks-newmark-sex-sting-ipso-sunday-mirror?CMP=twt_gu
Interestingly both the Sun and Sunday Mail turned down the story - imagine - lower ethical standards than either the Sun or Mail!
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Publish and be damned!TheScreamingEagles said:Do I publish the new thread or not?
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Hannan: Only a Tory-UKIP Pact Can Stop Labour
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/29/Hannan-only-a-ukip-tory-pact/
I wouldn't be surprised if Hannan was the first of the tory MEP to join UKIP.0 -
@TheScreamingEagles
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Don't worry, I am not struggling, I'm loving itScrapheap_as_was said:
You seem to be struggling here - it's the deed that earns the displeasure not the personality (well generally).... and especially the manner in which they turncoat.isam said:Pleeeaaaase let it be someone that has been praised on here by Conservatives so the hypocrisy level reaches new heights!
Hence Reckless is a bigger pig-dog-traitor than Carswell.
Not that complex.
Carswell was criticised for the timing of his defection on here as well, and had mud slung at him re stealing party data, letting down his electorate etc
The next one will be worse for no other reason than they are the latest one0 -
I have no doubt that if there is another defector UKIP will unveil him just as Cameron comes on stage to do his speech. Very grown up.0
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He said absolutely no chance on the Daily PoliticsTykejohnno said:Hannan: Only a Tory-UKIP Pact Can Stop Labour
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/29/Hannan-only-a-ukip-tory-pact/
I wouldn't be surprised if Hannan was the first of the tory MEP to join UKIP.0 -
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Speaking as Not a Tory (tm), David Davis will never be Conservative leader. The party dodged a bullet back in 2005.Luckyguy1983 said:
Whether that's small or large 'c' is open to interpretation. However, I don't think DD should cross over. His best bet is to remain within the Conservatives and wait for Cameron to be deposed.Norm said:
Didn't DD say two days ago he'll die a Conservative? So my guess it's not him.Casino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
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That's a first!Smarmeron said:@Richard_Nabavi
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I don't blame you for enjoying yourself - i would in your position.isam said:
Don't worry, I am not struggling, I'm loving itScrapheap_as_was said:
You seem to be struggling here - it's the deed that earns the displeasure not the personality (well generally).... and especially the manner in which they turncoat.isam said:Pleeeaaaase let it be someone that has been praised on here by Conservatives so the hypocrisy level reaches new heights!
Hence Reckless is a bigger pig-dog-traitor than Carswell.
Not that complex.
Carswell was criticised for the timing of his defection on here as well, and had mud slung at him re stealing party data, letting down his electorate etc
The next one will be worse for no other reason than they are the latest one
I just fear a Labour government under Ed squared.
Your last sentence is nonsense again however.0 -
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Yes, if only it could balance out the mindless Russophobia and shameless kowtowing to America that dominates the mainstream.antifrank said:It's curious how you can find mindless anti-Americanism and shameless kowtowing to Russia at both ends of the political spectrum.
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To be really serious, it might be nice if politicians took a closer look at the use of entrapment by the police investigating serious crime.CarlottaVance said:
Au contraire, I expect the full glare of publicity given to News Corp malfeasance from Labour the BBC, Guardian et al will now focus laser like on Trinity Mirror group.....or not.....(in fairness to the Guardian, they are leading this & their media correspondent was on R4 saying the Mirror had crossed the line)......DecrepitJohnL said:
Yes, that will help people forget about it. Well done, Mark Pritchard, MP.CarlottaVance said:Brooks Newmark sex sting: Ipso to investigate Sunday Mirror
Complaint over ‘entrapment’ leading to minister’s resignation provides first big test for regulator set up after Leveson inquiry
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/29/brooks-newmark-sex-sting-ipso-sunday-mirror?CMP=twt_gu
Interestingly both the Sun and Sunday Mail turned down the story - imagine - lower ethical standards than either the Sun or Mail!0 -
Loving the lie being peddled that Rochester will be close whereas Clacton was "Always going to be very difficult"
Opening prices for UKIP
Clacton 4/6
Rochester 1/2
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But UKIP for me need a big labour name/MP to start taking labour seats and not just to be cast as the real true blue tory party,by the labour opponents.0
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@Josias
With all you Tories denying you are Tories despite voting Tory and supporting Tory policies who can blame their MPs for defecting? At least Kippers are proud to be Kippers0 -
Yeah, they've given up any pretence of not being motivated primarily by a wish to wreck the Conservative Party and Cameron in particular. I guess this is more one for psychiatrists than psephologists to explain, since in political terms it is so spectacularly counter-productive. Good for Ed, though.currystar said:I have no doubt that if there is another defector UKIP will unveil him just as Cameron comes on stage to do his speech. Very grown up.
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I'm staying here - tough.TheScreamingEagles said:New Thread
This new death tax repeal on pensions is a bit of a blow to my trading position in the enhanced annuity providers taken after the budget. I'm now sitting on a loss of more than £7,000....
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Currystar
That's politics. Suck it up.
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I think his heart is in the right place, but his instincts aren't finely tuned. Despite making some very good calls over the years, the way he does things tends to make him look cheap. A bit like Nadine Dorries (only she's much worse). Still, he will still have a shot after Cameron's ignominious departure. I simply don't understand the next leader betting market surrounding May, Hammond, Hague, Osborne -the losers on Cameron's inner circle. They will be totally toxic.JosiasJessop said:
Speaking as Not a Tory (tm), David Davis will never be Conservative leader. The party dodged a bullet back in 2005.Luckyguy1983 said:
Whether that's small or large 'c' is open to interpretation. However, I don't think DD should cross over. His best bet is to remain within the Conservatives and wait for Cameron to be deposed.Norm said:
Didn't DD say two days ago he'll die a Conservative? So my guess it's not him.Casino_Royale said:
Good shout. He has form/balls (depending on your point of view) and it looks like his constituency might be in the UKIP sweet spot. He's also close to Iain Dale.Richard_Nabavi said:DD?
How did UKIP do in H&H in May?
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Some Tories were even saying that the act of standing down so that the public had a choice about whether they wanted to re-elect them based on their new affiliation was a "publicity stunt" and a "waste of public money". It's comical.isam said:
Don't worry, I am not struggling, I'm loving itScrapheap_as_was said:
You seem to be struggling here - it's the deed that earns the displeasure not the personality (well generally).... and especially the manner in which they turncoat.isam said:Pleeeaaaase let it be someone that has been praised on here by Conservatives so the hypocrisy level reaches new heights!
Hence Reckless is a bigger pig-dog-traitor than Carswell.
Not that complex.
Carswell was criticised for the timing of his defection on here as well, and had mud slung at him re stealing party data, letting down his electorate etc
The next one will be worse for no other reason than they are the latest one0 -
Labour massive majority nailed on.JohnO said:Sean Fear's earlier post confirmed. Labour conference boost...for the Tories
Latest Populus VI: Lab 36 (-1), Con 34 (+1), LD 7 (-2), UKIP 14 (+1), Oth 9 (+1)
Con-UKIP up to 48%. Encouraging to see UMP and NF cooperation leading to NF's first seats in the Senate. Lib Dems must be delighted as we Europeanise and drift towards a coalition of hard right and centre right.0 -
Richard
Given that Ukip's main goal is the destroy the Tory Party and replace it, presumably such an act would be highly rational?0 -
A political party timing announcements so that it maximises their exposure and damages the message of rival parties! How dare they!Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, they've given up any pretence of not being motivated primarily by a wish to wreck the Conservative Party and Cameron in particular. I guess this is more one for psychiatrists than psephologists to explain, since in political terms it is so spectacularly counter-productive. Good for Ed, though.currystar said:I have no doubt that if there is another defector UKIP will unveil him just as Cameron comes on stage to do his speech. Very grown up.
The thing the psychiatrists would better spend their time on is the frothing at the mouth of Tories whenever an MP decides that their views are best accommodated elsewhere. Even your own MEPs are describing it as "irrational rage".0 -
I'd approach it differently (because I think it is low probability, but want to keep the upside myself!)isam said:
Its easy really, just think about what percentage chance you think something has of happening, then divide 100 by that number.. voila! You have your Betfair priceCharles said:
I don't bet for a living, so don't price as a rule.isam said:
That's for you to decide!Charles said:
What do you think fair?isam said:
Depends on the oddsCharles said:
How much do you want?isam said:
I thought maybe Gove could defect? Who wants to give me odds on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately the bookies have pulled their defection markets.murali_s said:
Do we have any odds from the bookies on this? - might be worth a speculative flutter...TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup. Is why I want to campaign against RecklessCharles said:
That's the most interesting part to me.TheScreamingEagles said:This Tory MP speaks for the whole party.
@jimwaterson: Tory MP to BuzzFeed on Mark Reckless defecting: "I can't say the word c**t but he's a f**king c**t who deserves a hot poker up his arse."
Carswell's decision people seem to respect. He's liked, he's seen as thoughtful, and he didn't time his departure in a way that seemed to wound his former colleagues.
Reckless behaved in a much less honourable way.
It's not so much his departure, as the manner of his leaving that speaks volumes as to his character: and his elicited such a hostile reaction
If any Tory MP defects during Dave's speech....
Its not a challenge, you don't have to offer any if you don't want to.. .no pressure at all
Don't worry about this one anyway if you don't want to, I don't mind
So I'd say , for an investment that I could lose everything, I'd want a 20% + return on equity on an annualised basis.
Which means I'd need a 10% return between now and the election (taking that as the cut off).
So I'd offer you 7-1. But I'm sure you will find someone on betfair who will offer better odds.0 -
Thats true. In another decade or so the "pilots" will be sitting in offices or tents and guiding the plane from there. Something what the army* does now for drones. Would be good jobs for @TGOHF or @TheWatcher the let out their frustrations.Smarmeron said:Has anyone worked out yet that "piloted" aircraft are becoming a thing of the past?
One of the limitations of any fighter aircraft is the squishy bit that sits in the seats and is affected by G forces.
Manned aircraft will still have a place, but less so.
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Are you such a liar that you keep spouting them , give up your fantasies about independence. Just hate Scots in your tiny mind, nobody cares what wet dreams you have.TheWatcher said:
Are you really so dim as to think that there are only 6 serviceable Tornados?malcolmg said:
Think you need to concentrate on the reality instead of deflecting to fantasy. 6 poxy planes is all the UK can manage , what an embarrassing joke , and UK always boasting about being one of the worlds major powers. LOL hopefully Dave does not upset Norway or Denmark in near future.TheWatcher said:
There's a difference between 'muster' and 'commit' - there are still plenty of Tornados thundering around Norfolk airfields.malcolmg said:
And your point is, we need to avoid willy waving it is not a competition to see who has most planes. Fact that UK can only muster 6 is a real joke.CarlottaVance said:
Norway has 57 F16s, Denmark has 30........malcolmg said:
12 would be more than sufficient for a small peaceful country.TheWatcher said:
A bit like Salmond, and the 12 Typhoons he was going to keep for the separatist air force.malcolmg said:
It is merely willy waving by someone with erectile dysfunctionTGOHF said:
Militarily it's here nor there.Luckyguy1983 said:TGOHF said:MikeK said:isam said:Former IS fighter on Sky News saying the air strikes are encouraging people to join
They've made 4 miles in -2 mins! But you get the gist
Daily Mail Online @MailOnline · 1h
ISIS militants 'just one mile from Baghdad' despite Western airstrikes http://dailym.ai/1taryhF
Andrew Neil @afneil · 58m
BBC reports that IS five miles from Baghdad defensive positions. The air war is going well ...
Kippers short on answers - long on grievances.
Diplomatically it is very useful.
What would the Scottish Separatist Air Force send - Eck on a Ryder Cup golf buggy with a kite?
There must be something in the water up there, that addles the brains of separatists.0 -
cretin go forth and multiplyFlightpath said:
Vacuous comments like that show what a better place this is when you are on holiday.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , we will see how long the 6 UK has last , wonder how many of them can fly at once , or are they maintenance free. They could always tow their mobile football field over and really have ISIS cowering in fear, it has ONE fibreglass model airplane to help out.TheWatcher said:
malcolm's 12, equates to 3 airworthy, 3 spares, and 6 in maintenance/deep maintenance. Pointless.CarlottaVance said:
Norway has 57 F16s, Denmark has 30........malcolmg said:
12 would be more than sufficient for a small peaceful country.TheWatcher said:
A bit like Salmond, and the 12 Typhoons he was going to keep for the separatist air force.malcolmg said:
It is merely willy waving by someone with erectile dysfunctionTGOHF said:
Militarily it's here nor there.Luckyguy1983 said:
Perhaps you'll tell us how six planes bombing (or not bombing as with yesterday) helps these potential beheadees any more than cowering and fist shaking?TGOHF said:
What would Ukip do in the the unlikely event of 3 Britons being beheaded by ISIL ?MikeK said:
What will happen should ISIL or any other jihadist group capture SAM weapons and shoots down one or two British planes? Under Cammo, Britain has hardly any boots to put on the ground and sending only a battalion or two would only show up UK's military weakness.isam said:Former IS fighter on Sky News saying the air strikes are encouraging people to join
They've made 4 miles in -2 mins! But you get the gist
Daily Mail Online @MailOnline · 1h
ISIS militants 'just one mile from Baghdad' despite Western airstrikes http://dailym.ai/1taryhF
Andrew Neil @afneil · 58m
BBC reports that IS five miles from Baghdad defensive positions. The air war is going well ...
Cower and shake their fists at Calais ?
Kippers short on answers - long on grievances.
Diplomatically it is very useful.0 -
That from two of the biggest plonkers on the site LOL, a sad fantasist and a whinger.JosiasJessop said:
Probably both. :-)TheWatcher said:
malky's trolling. Or he's spectacularly thick.JosiasJessop said:
Is it 'all we can manage', or 'all we need' to meet current requirements in the theatre? I'm pretty sure we didn't send all our aviation assets to Operation Granby, which was a much bigger intervention.malcolmg said:
Think you need to concentrate on the reality instead of deflecting to fantasy. 6 poxy planes is all the UK can manage , what an embarrassing joke , and UK always boasting about being one of the worlds major powers. LOL hopefully Dave does not upset Norway or Denmark in near future.0 -
They are thick on the ground on here for sureTheuniondivvie said:
Ne'er mind, plenty left.Norm said:
Another self indulgent w*nker.Casino_Royale said:
Who do we think it is then?Slackbladder said:Iain Dale @IainDale · 34 secs
Told by a normally reliable source another Tory UKIP defection is imminent. Stand by your beds.
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