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Springsteen played one a couple of years ago, would have loved to have gone but couldn't get tickets.tyson said:
From someone who loves going to gigs- after Glasgow Barrowlands and the Hacienda, I thought nothing could be bettered. But Italian, Tuscan, medieval squares- Lucca and Pistioa- over the last 2 years we've seen the Arctic Monkeys, Killers, Prodigy, Stevie Wonder, Leonard Cohen, Diane Krall. The acoustics are phenomenal, ticket pricing, better, weather superb, 3 euros for a beer with no queue a bonus, and then walking distance to an amazing restaurant afterwards. And set in one of the most beautiful locations in the world.Plato said:I've only seen Bill Clinton at the Albert Hall - he was exPOTUS and very good.
Proms In The Park was great fun. We had a cracking thunderstorm during the show and it knocked the power out. We all got drenched with warm wet rain in the dark.
EDIT I must recommend Christmas Horse Of The Year at Olympia - that's brilliant fun. And the stalls around it are epic. They make Hickstead look like a boot sale. Didn't think much of Brands Hatch. Love Goodwood Revival.nigel4england said:
Saw Springsteen at MK Bowl and while the show was good the venue was horrible, exactly the same thing at Hyde Park in 2009.Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
Saw Alice Cooper at the Hammersmith Odeon back in the early 80s - that was okay as a venue. Ace stage show. He beheaded his lead guitarist. Not sure that'd be acceptable nowadays given all the ISIS stuff!nigel4england said:
Prefer the Shepherds Bush Empire or Hammersmith Odeon myself, but I would even go to Milton Keynes Bowl to see the Jam once again.Hugh said:
Christ that would be a belter if it wasn't at Ally Pally. Such a shite venue.isam said:@southamobserver
The Jam reform as support for The Libertines at Ally Pally tonight
Danny Baker (@prodnose)
28/09/2014 19:15
Now I can say. Paul Weller, Rick Buckler and Bruce Foxton will be taking to the stage for the 1st time in decades tonight. At last.
Should've done it at Brixton Academy, best in the world.
Shepherds Bush Empire is my favorite these days, though I love the Albert Hall, such a magnificent building.
Of the bigger venues Wembley Arena is OK, Earls Court is terrible and the 02 just too big and horrible to get to.0 -
How about "Freedom"???Luckyguy1983 said:Thinking about it, it would probably be better for UKIP to try and develop a term for 'leaving the EU', that was more accurate and less scary sounding. After all, we wouldn't be going anywhere, or left without an army, a currency, a diplomatic service, any government departments, or any of the essential organs of a state. Something like 'resigning' from the EU, or 'cancelling our membership', or 'terminating our membership' -like it's a monthly bill we can no longer afford (which essentially it is).
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nigel4england said:anotherDave said:
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I take your point but this did go out to consultation in July. So not exactly intended as a rabbit.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.0 -
The Times is terrible. Soft-peddling the Tory Party Line from its proprietor. The Torygraph and Grauniad are both far superior.Flightpath said:
The notion that the Telegraph is in some way any better than the Times is risible.Hugh said:
The Torygraph is miles better than the Times. As is the Guardian and, for that matter, the 30p Indie.JohnLilburne said:
I seem to have given up Murdoch too. I am making do with Freeview at the moment and used to get the Times/Sunday Times if I got a newspaper but now tend to get the Telegraph 'cos it is free at Waitrose.Hugh said:
Me too.philiph said:
I think I may be an all time record holder for boycotting Murdoch.perdix said:JBriskin said:Think your boss might be trying to tell you something Sean....
Rupert Murdoch @rupertmurdoch · 14m
Elites'policies crushing poor, printing money etc, uneconomic climate investments,all causing higher costs, more inequality.
Backlash near
Times, Sun and sky all absent from my life. The kids could never convince me to drop my objections and take sky.
It goes back to late 70s or early 80s, so long ago I can't remember what he did to make me despite his business ethics.
Disgusting how so much of our political Establishment still crawls to these media tycoon vermin.
Though their influence is declining, Ed Miliband for one is standing up to them, even if David Cameron and the Tories are still in their pockets.
Dacre's time is coming too.
The Times is rather sad and pathetic these days.
Just a low rent Torygraph, or an upmarket Sun if you want to look at it that way, just a Tory propaganda comic with some unreadable "lifestyle" padding.
Just as risible that 'media tycoons' pay for test cricket. Test cricket etc is paid for by subscribers.
Strange that the BBC with all its licence payers enforced 'subscriptions' (over £5 billion!) cannot find time and money for test cricket but can keep lining that well known tycoon Bernie Ecclestone's pocket.
I do not watch nmuch SKY; I could pretend I spit in Murdoch's eye in a high moral principle but of course the truth is I cannot afford the subsctiptions (for what it is I want to watch) and cannot stand Kay Burley or the odious people they put on the newspaper reviews.
In terms of moral principle I doubt there is much difference between Murdoch and the Barclay Bros anyway so good luck with the Telegraph.
When was the last time The Times got a scoop challenging the Establishment? It's Sun-lite crap, padded with "lifestyle" MSG.
And Sky News is becoming a joke. It goes without saying that the BBC is the Gold Standard, but Sky seem to be aiming more for Fox News. Adam Boulton, lol!
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That Springsteen one is cracking tune!nigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
I'll offer 'Dimming of the Day', performed by Bonnie Raitt.
http://youtu.be/1o8M74ufF4Q
(Alison Krauss does a nice version too.)
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Sky cricket and rugby coverage is superb - Bob Willis notwithstanding.
The precipitous decline of the Times over the last two or three years has been very sad. It used to have an independent voice, albeit one slightly to the right of centre; but now it is just cheerleads for the Tories. It's a real shame.0 -
The Spectator interviews Mark Reckless. The fateful meeting of the '22:
'then John Baron asked a question about what we were going to renegotiate and he [Cameron] said that if I was to get back some of the powers that some people wanted, it would be almost like associate membership, as if that was self-evidently a bad thing rather than what most MPs in that room and most in the country wanted'
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/09/mark-reckless-the-row-in-witney-that-made-me-lose-my-faith-in-david-cameron/
Do none of you Tories see what an utter disgrace this man is? All your defences of Cameron 'it's just the Lib Dems' 'Pragmatism' 'Economy's a mess', when time and time again he shows his utter contempt for conservatives and their beliefs -you're like battered wives going back for another helping.
If you really are a Heathite, Heseltine-ite, Tory, who simply wants to successfully and efficiently consign Britain to oblivion and enter Euro-heaven, then remain within the Conservative Party. If you've ANY reservations about Europe's current direction of travel and Britain's part in it, for heaven's sake wise up.0 -
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
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(strange events surrounding my last attempt reply to this) ... but anyway,Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
I take your point but this went out to consultation in July so its not really intended to be a magic rabbit,0 -
That's nice.
I really like David Byrne [of Talking Heads] doing Nat King Cole's Don't Fence Me In > https://youtube.com/watch?v=uuMvkNDuOuQSmarmeron said:@Plato
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"Control our own destiny"?Floater said:
How about "Freedom"???Luckyguy1983 said:Thinking about it, it would probably be better for UKIP to try and develop a term for 'leaving the EU', that was more accurate and less scary sounding. After all, we wouldn't be going anywhere, or left without an army, a currency, a diplomatic service, any government departments, or any of the essential organs of a state. Something like 'resigning' from the EU, or 'cancelling our membership', or 'terminating our membership' -like it's a monthly bill we can no longer afford (which essentially it is).
Farage said something on Marr this morning that you rarely hear politicians say anymore in reference to leaving the EU
"Some things are more important than money"
It was actually one of the best interviews I've seen Farage give, he called Marr out for trying to paint him as disloyal to the uk for opposing air strikes as well0 -
Err, very recently. The biggest scoop of the decade, as it happens.Hugh said:
When was the last time The Times got a scoop challenging the Establishment?0 -
On the one hand, he's Dangerous Red Ed who will Blow Up the World in a Leftwing Big Bang Boom.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
On the other hand, he's got no policies.
Make your mind up.0 -
No. He was stating the obvious, wasn't he?Luckyguy1983 said:
Do none of you Tories see what an utter disgrace this man is?0 -
There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
I ran a thread somewhere else about guilty pleasures and records we kept hidden away from our Cool Friends. It was very funny what we confessed to liking.
One chap said it was difficult to work out what he'd hide first - his Dolly Parton collection or porn stash. Ha!Grandiose said:
They still broadcast from the Grand Ole Opry?!anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.0 -
We live just over a mile way from the Fiorentina football stadium- in the hill overlooking the stadium. 2 years ago, the building started shaking at about 9.00 pm. The noise was electrifying. Our windows frames were rocking, and the night sky flashing. I knew it was Bruce after the first track. It still pains me that we missed the opportunity to see Springsteen- we heard it all, it was impossible not too. But I still bitterly regret not finding out that he was playing that night, even though it was one of the few summer nights that rained.nigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
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Shock horror SO I agree with, Bob Willis is dreadful, and just as dreary when you meet him.SouthamObserver said:Sky cricket and rugby coverage is superb - Bob Willis notwithstanding.
The precipitous decline of the Times over the last two or three years has been very sad. It used to have an independent voice, albeit one slightly to the right of centre; but now it is just cheerleads for the Tories. It's a real shame.0 -
Both are true. He's got nothing whatsoever to say about the key issues of the day, but will interfere and do damage with his bonkers nonsense (which admittedly changes from one conference speech to the next).Hugh said:On the one hand, he's Dangerous Red Ed who will Blow Up the World in a Leftwing Big Bang Boom.
On the other hand, he's got no policies.
Make your mind up.0 -
I think it was around the time of the first Syria vote last year that the tune started shifting from 'Ed is Useless and pointless' to 'Ed is Dangerous', as, even if the outcome of that whole mess was not really what Ed M was aiming for, the Tories could not claim he had no power, given Cameron had needed him for that moment and when he didn't Cameron lost. However, after a few weeks or months, the narrative seemed to shift back toward Ed is Useless.Hugh said:
On the one hand, he's Dangerous Red Ed who will Blow Up the World in a Leftwing Big Bang Boom.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
On the other hand, he's got no policies.
Make your mind up.
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Lord Ashcroft's fieldwork ended on 17th September, so it's been included in last week's Sunil on Sunday ELBOW. Revised figures for ELBOW week-ending 21st Septmber:
Lab 35.3% (-0.7)
Con 31.7% (+0.4)
UKIP 15.3% (-0.3)
LD 7.7% (+0.1)
Lab lead 3.6% (-1.1)0 -
Better headlines for the Tories in tomorrow's papers, the headlines of "scraping death tax", which I think a lot of people would presume meant IHT, is actually just putting in place something that was consulted upon and in government monetary terms is a rounding error.0
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Sorry, to clarify, does Ed have "bonkers" policies, or "no" policies?Richard_Nabavi said:
Both are true. He's got nothing whatsoever to say about the key issues of the day, but will interfere and do damage with his bonkers nonsense (which admittedly changes from one conference speech to the next).Hugh said:On the one hand, he's Dangerous Red Ed who will Blow Up the World in a Leftwing Big Bang Boom.
On the other hand, he's got no policies.
Make your mind up.
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I'd like to see a market for the first national newspaper to come out in support for UKIP......
In other news, the severity of the boo that greeted 'Eck' Salmond at the Ryder Cup was hilarious. Even more so, the cyber Nats were initially cursing him for being at such an event then, after the crowd made their feelings known, said cyber Nats 'leapt' to the defence of 'Eck', from the safety of their keyboards.0 -
No policies on the main issues of the day, a few bonkers ones at the margins.Hugh said:
Sorry, to clarify, does Ed have "bonkers" policies, or "no" policies?0 -
I think you are being a bit hard on UKIP. Thay have promised to tax handbags. Oh and cars made in Coventry.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
Perhaps I should add the handbags are made near Northampton.
http://www.tusting.co.uk/for-her-ladies-leather-bags.html
Does UKIP have it in for the Midlands?
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I've never heard of 'Gangstagrass' before (looove Justified though, so I've heard that tune.)Plato said:That's super!
I've quite a soft spot for Gangstagrass [am a serious Blue Grass fan esp Bill Munroe] - it's a very weird mash-up genre of blue grass and aggressive N-word rap.
One of their songs is the soundtrack theme of Justified. This is another one.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ezRhtnWWUUcanotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
My current fave is 'Shel'. Their lineup is drums, keyboard, mandolin, violin.
http://youtu.be/XtIGrBU4UfQ
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So not much of a threat on the "big" issues then. Might as well him a go, bit of a change and can't be any worse than this lot.Richard_Nabavi said:
No policies on the main issues of the day, a few bonkers ones at the margins.Hugh said:
Sorry, to clarify, does Ed have "bonkers" policies, or "no" policies?0 -
@Richard_Nabavi
So, he is only marginally bonkers? You are warming to him aren't you? ;-)0 -
Daily Star or Express, owned by Desmond and editorial stance make Daily Mail soft and liberal on immigration / EU issues.AllyM said:I'd like to see a market for the first national newspaper to come out in support for UKIP......
In other news, the severity of the boo that greeted 'Eck' Salmond at the Ryder Cup was hilarious. Even more so, the cyber Nats were initially cursing him for being at such an event then, after the crowd made their feelings known, said cyber Nats 'leapt' to the defence of 'Eck', from the safety of their keyboards.
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When you misrepresent other parties policies to make a partisan point a little bit of me dies Richard.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
It's like when it hit me that Georgie Graham really had taken a bung
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad0 -
Tut, do keep up. That was two days ago. They've done a handbrake-turn already:Flightpath said:
I think you are being a bit hard on UKIP. Thay have promised to tax handbags.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/28/nigel-farage-drops-ukip-wag-tax-luxury-goods
Turns out the party's economic spokesman is not authorised to talk about economic policy. How silly we were to think otherwise.0 -
Who paid for your recent Hols, as you kept boasting on here?SeanT said:Hugh:
**The Times is terrible. Soft-peddling the Tory Party Line from its proprietor. The Torygraph and Grauniad are both far superior.
When was the last time The Times got a scoop challenging the Establishment? It's Sun-lite crap, padded with "lifestyle" MSG.
And Sky News is becoming a joke. It goes without saying that the BBC is the Gold Standard, but Sky seem to be aiming more for Fox News. Adam Boulton, lol!**
What a lot of cretinous, footling, misinformed drivel. The Times - with Andrew Norfolk - broke THE biggest domestic news story of the last three or four decades: Rotherham and, endemic Asian racist gang rape of white kids.
They did this in the teeth of sneering cries of racism from the Guardian and total disinterest from all other news organisations. Read Norfolk's story if you want to know what he went through, and the obstacles he faced, and the various people who tried to close him down - not least other journalists on other papers. And he was only able to continue because his editor - the editor of THE TIMES - backed him to the hilt.
That's THE biggest domestic news story of our generation. Broken by the Times.
I'd say that you and Southam are a couple of fucking halfwits - but that would imply that, taken together, you add up to an average human intelligence, which is clearly overstating the case.
Ahh. Nice being a posho effete Establishment drone is it, Sean?0 -
Handbags and cars from Coventry has been ditched according to Farage, presumably on the basis that it wasn't his idea.Flightpath said:
I think you are being a bit hard on UKIP. Thay have promised to tax handbags. Oh and cars made in Coventry.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
Perhaps I should add the handbags are made near Northampton.
http://www.tusting.co.uk/for-her-ladies-leather-bags.html
Does UKIP have it in for the Midlands?0 -
The Daily Star would be a fine endorsement for Farage and cronies..FrancisUrquhart said:
Daily Star or Express, owned by Desmond and editorial stance make Daily Mail soft and liberal on immigration / EU issues.AllyM said:I'd like to see a market for the first national newspaper to come out in support for UKIP......
In other news, the severity of the boo that greeted 'Eck' Salmond at the Ryder Cup was hilarious. Even more so, the cyber Nats were initially cursing him for being at such an event then, after the crowd made their feelings known, said cyber Nats 'leapt' to the defence of 'Eck', from the safety of their keyboards.
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SeanT said:
The Times broke the Rotherham story when it was a good newspaper. As I said, it's decline has been precipitous. Decent travel stuff every now and again though.Hugh said:
What a lot of cretinous, footling, misinformed drivel. The Times - with Andrew Norfolk - broke THE biggest domestic news story of the last three or four decades: Rotherham and, endemic Asian racist gang rape of white kids.Flightpath said:
The Times is terrible. Soft-peddling the Tory Party Line from its proprietor. The Torygraph and Grauniad are both far superior.Hugh said:
.JohnLilburne said:
The Torygraph is miles better than the Times. As is the Guardian and, for that matter, the 30p Indie.Hugh said:
Me tphiliph said:
I think ss ethics.perdix said:JBriskin said:Think your boss might be trying to tell you something Sean....
Rupert Murdoch @rupertmurdoch · 14m
Elites'policies crushing poor, printing money etc, uneconomic climate investments,all causing higher costs, more inequality.
Backlash near
The Times is rather sad and pathetic these days.
Just a low rent Torygraph, or an upmarket Sun if you want to look at it that way, just a Tory propaganda comic with some unreadable "lifestyle" padding.
In terms of moral principle I doubt there is much difference between Murdoch and the Barclay Bros anyway so good luck with the Telegraph.
When was the last time The Times got a scoop challenging the Establishment? It's Sun-lite crap, padded with "lifestyle" MSG.
And Sky News is becoming a joke. It goes without saying that the BBC is the Gold Standard, but Sky seem to be aiming more for Fox News. Adam Boulton, lol!
They did this in the teeth of sneering cries of racism from the Guardian and total disinterest from all other news organisations. Read Norfolk's story if you want to know what he went through, and the obstacles he faced, and the various people who tried to close him down - not least other journalists on other papers. And he was only able to continue because his editor - the editor of THE TIMES - backed him to the hilt.
That's THE biggest domestic news story of our generation. Broken by the Times.
I'd say that you and Southam are a couple of fucking halfwits - but that would imply that, taken together, you add up to an average human intelligence, which is clearly overstating the case.0 -
Ignoring issues won't make them go away. Quite the opposite in fact, as we discovered circa 1965 to 1979.Hugh said:So not much of a threat on the "big" issues then. Might as well him a go, bit of a change and can't be any worse than this lot.
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I'd love to see Stevie Wonder - if you haven't tried Alex Clare, he's very influenced by him and IMO bloody brilliant.
Too Close >> youtube.com/watch?v=zYXjLbMZFmo
Only like two tracks by the Arctic Monkeys = Do I Wanna Know and A Certain Romance. That Gordon claimed to like them still makes me squeal with laughter.
I love Snow Patrol's New York. Florence + The Machine are marvellously dark.tyson said:
From someone who loves going to gigs- after Glasgow Barrowlands and the Hacienda, I thought nothing could be bettered. But Italian, Tuscan, medieval squares- Lucca and Pistioa- over the last 2 years we've seen the Arctic Monkeys, Killers, Prodigy, Stevie Wonder, Leonard Cohen, Diane Krall. The acoustics are phenomenal, ticket pricing, better, weather superb, 3 euros for a beer with no queue a bonus, and then walking distance to an amazing restaurant afterwards. And set in one of the most beautiful locations in the world.Plato said:I've only seen Bill Clinton at the Albert Hall - he was exPOTUS and very good.
Proms In The Park was great fun. We had a cracking thunderstorm during the show and it knocked the power out. We all got drenched with warm wet rain in the dark.
snipnigel4england said:
Saw Springsteen at MK Bowl and while the show was good the venue was horrible, exactly the same thing at Hyde Park in 2009.Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
Saw Alice Cooper at the Hammersmith Odeon back in the early 80s - that was okay as a venue. Ace stage show. He beheaded his lead guitarist. Not sure that'd be acceptable nowadays given all the ISIS stuff!nigel4england said:
Prefer the Shepherds Bush Empire or Hammersmith Odeon myself, but I would even go to Milton Keynes Bowl to see the Jam once again.Hugh said:
Christ that would be a belter if it wasn't at Ally Pally. Such a shite venue.isam said:@southamobserver
The Jam reform as support for The Libertines at Ally Pally tonight
Danny Baker (@prodnose)
28/09/2014 19:15
Now I can say. Paul Weller, Rick Buckler and Bruce Foxton will be taking to the stage for the 1st time in decades tonight. At last.
Should've done it at Brixton Academy, best in the world.
Shepherds Bush Empire is my favorite these days, though I love the Albert Hall, such a magnificent building.
Of the bigger venues Wembley Arena is OK, Earls Court is terrible and the 02 just too big and horrible to get to.0 -
nigel4england said:tyson said:Plato said:
I've only seen Bill Clinton at the Albert Hall - he was exPOTUS and very good.
Proms In The Park was great fun. We had a cracking thunderstorm during the show and it knocked the power out. We all got drenched with warm wet rain in the dark.
EDIT I must recommend Christmas Horse Of The Year at Olympia - that's brilliant fun. And the stalls around it are epic. They make Hickstead look like a boot sale. Didn't think much of Brands Hatch. Love Goodwood Revival.nigel4england said:
Blinking heckers Nige- I just quoted you contemporaneously my missed opportunity to see Springsteen at the Campo di Marte in Florence 2 years ago. We live a mile away, and we didn't realise he was playing- except when he started and our flat started shaking.Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
Saw Alice Cooper at the Hammersmith Odeon back in the early 80s - that was okay as a venue. Ace stage show. He beheaded his lead guitarist. Not sure that'd be acceptable nowadays given all the ISIS stuff!
Springsteen played one a couple of years ago, would have loved to have gone but couldn't get tickets.
Seriously, I would thoroughly recommend the Lucca Summer festival, or the Pistoia Jazz and Blues festival in July. A week in a Tuscan village with some of the best music live acts you can see. The Arctic Monkeys this year at Pistoia was probably the best gig I have ever seen- and I am no spring chicken and I've seen a lot of gigs. They were sublime.0 -
Oh really?isam said:
"Control our own destiny"?Floater said:
How about "Freedom"???Luckyguy1983 said:Thinking about it, it would probably be better for UKIP to try and develop a term for 'leaving the EU', that was more accurate and less scary sounding. After all, we wouldn't be going anywhere, or left without an army, a currency, a diplomatic service, any government departments, or any of the essential organs of a state. Something like 'resigning' from the EU, or 'cancelling our membership', or 'terminating our membership' -like it's a monthly bill we can no longer afford (which essentially it is).
Farage said something on Marr this morning that you rarely hear politicians say anymore in reference to leaving the EU
"Some things are more important than money"
It was actually one of the best interviews I've seen Farage give, he called Marr out for trying to paint him as disloyal to the uk for opposing air strikes as well
I would have been happier for Farage to have been really honest and said 'some things are more important than other people jobs'.
Money (ie some nebulous other persons undeserved money) does not come into it - but I am not surprised you are so pathetically gullible to swallow the crass propaganda hook line and stinker (no misprint).0 -
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
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This week's ELBOW, excluding Opinium (still awaiting sample tables):
Lab 36.3% (+1.0)
Con 31.6% (-0.1)
UKIP 14.4% (-0.9)
LD 7.3% (-0.4)
Lab lead 4.7% (+1.1)
(brackets = change from revised ELBOW for last weekend)
Changes since the very first ELBOW week-ending 17th August:
Lab +0.1
Con -1.6
UKIP +1.3
LD -1.5
Lab lead +1.7
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"UKIP proposes a Treasury Commission, using the best brains of that elite Whitehall department, ... I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT."Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
http://www.ukip.org/patrick_o_flynn_lays_out_ukip_s_economic_plan0 -
Never been a Neil Young fan - will give him a go next week.
I do like Bill Munroe, Garth Brooks and esp George Strait. His All My Exes Live In Texas is one of my favourites.
Another fav of mine is Dubstar - dream pop is probably the nearest description > youtube.com/watch?v=ddlIPv-DAeMnigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
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He is astonishing live, surely the best ever live performer. I've seen him over 60 times and never get tired of it.tyson said:
We live just over a mile way from the Fiorentina football stadium- in the hill overlooking the stadium. 2 years ago, the building started shaking at about 9.00 pm. The noise was electrifying. Our windows frames were rocking, and the night sky flashing. I knew it was Bruce after the first track. It still pains me that we missed the opportunity to see Springsteen- we heard it all, it was impossible not too. But I still bitterly regret not finding out that he was playing that night, even though it was one of the few summer nights that rained.nigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
He once did an interview during the Born in the USA tour in 1985 how he felt playing 200 hundred dates around the world, doesn't he get bored etc. His answer was it may be night 116 for him and the band but for the bloke who had saved up to get two tickets for him and his girl it was his big night, so he gave everything he had each and every show.
When you go to see the shows you realize that the only person having a better time than you is Bruce himself.0 -
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Fascinating. I wonder, has he ditched his spending plans as well? The ones these left wing policies were meant to pay for? Or does he indend to continue with his imitation of Ed Miliband?nigel4england said:
Handbags and cars from Coventry has been ditched according to Farage, presumably on the basis that it wasn't his idea.Flightpath said:
I think you are being a bit hard on UKIP. Thay have promised to tax handbags. Oh and cars made in Coventry.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's not really a new announcement, it's a confirmation of something already mooted. Of course, it's still very welcome, because the previous punitive rate was manifestly unfair.Casino_Royale said:Osborne on a policy counteroffensive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29402844
To be honest, whilst welcome, he's going to need to pull more out of the hat than this if he's going to make waves.
However, the politics as a whole are interesting. We are in a very unusual position - in fact, perhaps unique - which is that the main opposition party has given up any pretence of proposing any policies at all, a shed load of votes are going to a protest party which can't even maintain its headline tax proposal (announced by the economic spokesman at the last party conference before the election) for 48 hours, and the fourth party has fallen so far that no-one is listening. So we have only one party making any serious attempt to win on policy - and that attempt might not be successful.
It's really quite surreal.
Perhaps I should add the handbags are made near Northampton.
http://www.tusting.co.uk/for-her-ladies-leather-bags.html
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Plato said:
There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
I ran a thread somewhere else about guilty pleasures and records we kept hidden away from our Cool Friends. It was very funny what we confessed to liking.
One chap said it was difficult to work out what he'd hide first - his Dolly Parton collection or porn stash. Ha!Grandiose said:anotherDave said:Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8anotherDave said:Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.JohnLilburne said:Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Does this count as country? One of fav my songsPlato said:There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
Grandiose said:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
ople and cosy.
http://youtu.be/oXqPjx94YMg0 -
And less than 48 hours later, he doesn't want to investigate it any more.anotherDave said:
"UKIP proposes a Treasury Commission, using the best brains of that elite Whitehall department, ... I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT."
http://www.ukip.org/patrick_o_flynn_lays_out_ukip_s_economic_plan
Look, UKIP can be a serious party, or it can be a few guys ranting in the pub. If it wants to be a serious party, it can hardly object if people take it seriously.0 -
I love Linda Ronstadt doing Blue Bayou. Much better than Roy Orbison.
>> youtube.com/watch?v=ceYjg1dy-h0anotherDave said:
That Springsteen one is cracking tune!nigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
I'll offer 'Dimming of the Day', performed by Bonnie Raitt.
http://youtu.be/1o8M74ufF4Q
(Alison Krauss does a nice version too.)0 -
The Times lost its way with its love affair with Tony Blair. Remorselessly neo liberal/neo conservative I can't think of a war it hasn't shamelessly propagandised for. Became as disgusted with its nihilism on social issues and hounding of immigration critics.SouthamObserver said:Sky cricket and rugby coverage is superb - Bob Willis notwithstanding.
The precipitous decline of the Times over the last two or three years has been very sad. It used to have an independent voice, albeit one slightly to the right of centre; but now it is just cheerleads for the Tories. It's a real shame.0 -
@SeanT - Fine wine, hot sun, bedtime. Drink some water first.
I am thick, I know that. But I get by. And even I can see how The Times has gone downhill since it became the official voice of the Conservative Party.0 -
@Plato
I nearly pulled out of seeing the Arctic Monkeys this year at Pistoia- wasn't feeling great. Alex Turner reminds me of William Hague with better hair, and I felt they were all a bit hyped.
But..... probably the best 2 hours of my life (physical intimacy excluded). I tell you how good it was- I did't even think of buying another beer. They are head and shoulders the best live act I have ever seen.
A Certain Romance- my hair bristles, and eyes well up thinking of that performance. Sublime doesn't do them justice.0 -
tyson said:nigel4england said:tyson said:Plato said:
I've only seen Bill Clinton at the Albert Hall - he was exPOTUS and very good.
Proms In The Park was great fun. We had a cracking thunderstorm during the show and it knocked the power out. We all got drenched with warm wet rain in the dark.
EDIT I must recommend Christmas Horse Of The Year at Olympia - that's brilliant fun. And the stalls around it are epic. They make Hickstead look like a boot sale. Didn't think much of Brands Hatch. Love Goodwood Revival.
That would suit me perfectly, I love Italy.nigel4england said:
Blinking heckers Nige- I just quoted you contemporaneously my missed opportunity to see Springsteen at the Campo di Marte in Florence 2 years ago. We live a mile away, and we didn't realise he was playing- except when he started and our flat started shaking.Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
Saw Alice Cooper at the Hammersmith Odeon back in the early 80s - that was okay as a venue. Ace stage show. He beheaded his lead guitarist. Not sure that'd be acceptable nowadays given all the ISIS stuff!
Springsteen played one a couple of years ago, would have loved to have gone but couldn't get tickets.
Seriously, I would thoroughly recommend the Lucca Summer festival, or the Pistoia Jazz and Blues festival in July. A week in a Tuscan village with some of the best music live acts you can see. The Arctic Monkeys this year at Pistoia was probably the best gig I have ever seen- and I am no spring chicken and I've seen a lot of gigs. They were sublime.
My youngest has been in Ravello and Positano this last week and I am very jealous.0 -
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined0 -
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!0 -
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?0 -
Now that's unfair.TheScreamingEagles said:To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Mark Reckless went to Oxford (my old college, as it happens!)0 -
Not going so well with Reckless...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Mark Reckless is forced to curtail a visit by his new party leader after UKIP's latest recruit receives a hostile reception.
http://news.sky.com/story/1343701/farages-trip-to-ukip-defector-seat-cut-short
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I cannot see anything on O'Flynn's twitter feed about the policy being dropped. Perhaps he did not think it needed mentioning.Richard_Nabavi said:
And less than 48 hours later, he doesn't want to investigate it any more.anotherDave said:
"UKIP proposes a Treasury Commission, using the best brains of that elite Whitehall department, ... I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT."
http://www.ukip.org/patrick_o_flynn_lays_out_ukip_s_economic_plan
Look, UKIP can be a serious party, or it can be a few guys ranting in the pub. If it wants to be a serious party, it can hardly object if people take it seriously.
Farage does have rather a habit of falling out with other party apparatchiks.
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It shows they are a shambles, that is all. I'm sure he was entirely sincere in his bonkers suggestion, and perhaps he even naively thought that, as economic spokesman, he was authorised to speak on economic matters, until The Boss told him otherwise.isam said:
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
Here's a hint, offered free and gratis: check it with The Boss first.0 -
I'm surprised the Tories are apparently confident about the Rochester by-election. UKIP did very well there in the Euros.0
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Oh no, Christ Church does have a history of turning out rubbish politicians.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now that's unfair.TheScreamingEagles said:To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Mark Reckless went to Oxford (my old college, as it happens!)
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Eden, Driberg now Reckless.
That said, the scientists Christ Church produces ain't half bad, Einstein and Nabavi.0 -
Nothing for you Tories to worry about thenRichard_Nabavi said:
It shows they are a shambles, that is all. I'm sure he was entirely sincere in his bonkers suggestion, and perhaps he even naively thought that, as economic spokesman, he was authorised to speak on economic matters, until The Boss told him otherwise.isam said:
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
Here's a hint, offered free and gratis: check it with The Boss first.
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He'd only be more aptly named if his surname was Treacherous-Pig-DogMarkHopkins said:
Not going so well with Reckless...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Mark Reckless is forced to curtail a visit by his new party leader after UKIP's latest recruit receives a hostile reception.
http://news.sky.com/story/1343701/farages-trip-to-ukip-defector-seat-cut-short0 -
This is great! If you like mandolins and stuff - do try out Anton Karas = he penned the theme to The Third Man. His albums are super, thought mostly zither. Julian Bream also does some great mandolin/Spanish classical guitar stuff - especially works originally written for piano and adapted - the works of Izaac Albeniz in particular.
Anton Karas and The Third Man > youtube.com/watch?v=r8jN1treRKQ
EDIT I adore mandolins. Do try Gluck's mandolin concerto - Iphigenia in Aulis (Royal Estudiantina "La Napolitaine") > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzKADJ1jgGManotherDave said:
I've never heard of 'Gangstagrass' before (looove Justified though, so I've heard that tune.)Plato said:That's super!
I've quite a soft spot for Gangstagrass [am a serious Blue Grass fan esp Bill Munroe] - it's a very weird mash-up genre of blue grass and aggressive N-word rap.
One of their songs is the soundtrack theme of Justified. This is another one.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ezRhtnWWUUcanotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
My current fave is 'Shel'. Their lineup is drums, keyboard, mandolin, violin.
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Excited by at least having a chance, unlike in Clacton, leading to optimism perhaps? They certainly seem much more sure about attacking Reckless than Carswell and that doing so will not hurt them at least.Danny565 said:I'm surprised the Tories are apparently confident about the Rochester by-election. UKIP did very well there in the Euros.
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isam said:
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
Hillarious. Was there a treaty signed which caused the change of heart?isam said:
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
His uncertain terms were first gaining power and then asking the treasury to look at it. Not have a rethink over a glass of burgundy.0 -
There was an interesting tweet on that point by Matthew Goodwin earlier today:Danny565 said:I'm surprised the Tories are apparently confident about the Rochester by-election. UKIP did very well there in the Euros.
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ
Rank in Ukip-friendly list:
Clacton = 1
Rotherham = 66
Thanet N = 92
Thanet S = 142
Heywood & Midd = 148
Rochester & S = 271
Eastleigh = 324
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The euros are no guideDanny565 said:I'm surprised the Tories are apparently confident about the Rochester by-election. UKIP did very well there in the Euros.
Ar least that's what they all told me on here when I said ukip won them in Clacton easily and they should be 1/3 or shorter for the by election
I was told conservatives at 4/1 was the bet
Now the discussion is how far ukip win by... And all the 4/1 cons @richardnabavi @mikesmithson and "labour might be value to sneak through at 10/1" @hugh are keeping schtum0 -
Now now, let me point you to the font of all knowledge:TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh no, Christ Church does have a history of turning out rubbish politicians.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now that's unfair.TheScreamingEagles said:To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Mark Reckless went to Oxford (my old college, as it happens!)
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Eden, Driberg now Reckless.
That said, the scientists Christ Church produces ain't half bad, Einstein and Nabavi.
Christ Church has produced thirteen British prime ministers, which is equal to the number produced by all 45 other Oxford colleges put together and more than any Cambridge college (and two short of the total number for the University of Cambridge, fifteen).0 -
There was a similar one in Labour seats. #1 was Rhonnda. I did not know if I should laugh or cry !Richard_Nabavi said:
There was an interesting tweet on that point by Matthew Goodwin earlier today:Danny565 said:I'm surprised the Tories are apparently confident about the Rochester by-election. UKIP did very well there in the Euros.
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ
Rank in Ukip-friendly list:
Clacton = 1
Rotherham = 66
Thanet N = 92
Thanet S = 142
Heywood & Midd = 148
Rochester & S = 271
Eastleigh = 324
Trust the bookies ! They are seldom wrong.0 -
This is Linda Ronstadt doing a cover of Springsteen's Across The Border, ably assisted by the wonderful Emmylou Harris and Neil Young, lyrics are brilliant and like Blue Bayou this version is much better than Bruce's:Plato said:I love Linda Ronstadt doing Blue Bayou. Much better than Roy Orbison.
>> youtube.com/watch?v=ceYjg1dy-h0anotherDave said:
That Springsteen one is cracking tune!nigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
I'll offer 'Dimming of the Day', performed by Bonnie Raitt.
http://youtu.be/1o8M74ufF4Q
(Alison Krauss does a nice version too.)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCS1yXg8gk0 -
Maybe as many kippers will leave on the back of this as Tories did over Cameron's u turnFlightpath said:isam said:
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
Hillarious. Was there a treaty signed which caused the change of heart?isam said:
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
His uncertain terms were first gaining power and then asking the treasury to look at it. Not have a rethink over a glass of burgundy.0 -
Hong Kong is not a happy place right now. It's hard to see things ending well for the protesters. But the local authorities and the PRC need to be careful. Singapore is ready and waiting.0
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Yeah, but Cambridge produced Nick Clegg.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now now, let me point you to the font of all knowledge:TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh no, Christ Church does have a history of turning out rubbish politicians.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now that's unfair.TheScreamingEagles said:To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Mark Reckless went to Oxford (my old college, as it happens!)
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Eden, Driberg now Reckless.
That said, the scientists Christ Church produces ain't half bad, Einstein and Nabavi.
Christ Church has produced thirteen British prime ministers, which is equal to the number produced by all 45 other Oxford colleges put together and more than any Cambridge college (and two short of the total number for the University of Cambridge, fifteen).
Oh, I'm not going to win this am I?0 -
"Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?"isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
Go on, tell us !0 -
Didn't you need correcting, just the other day, on some similar conversion of odds into percentages? I think you blamed the morning..isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?0 -
SIXTY TIMES??!!
Wow. My ex left his Springsteen Greatest Hits behind and I ripped the CD, then deleted the lot as I just don't like his stuff. Given I've got over 350 different artists on my playlist - Bruce seems to be the odd one out.
I've no idea why he doesn't appeal to me.
EDIT Thinking about it - no Led Zep, Deep Purple or Hendrix either. And he liked them too...nigel4england said:
He is astonishing live, surely the best ever live performer. I've seen him over 60 times and never get tired of it.tyson said:
snippednigel4england said:
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
He once did an interview during the Born in the USA tour in 1985 how he felt playing 200 hundred dates around the world, doesn't he get bored etc. His answer was it may be night 116 for him and the band but for the bloke who had saved up to get two tickets for him and his girl it was his big night, so he gave everything he had each and every show.
When you go to see the shows you realize that the only person having a better time than you is Bruce himself.0 -
Reasonably balanced piece by Crick on Reckless
The first guy is an absolute wally who can't have a Reckless, the second is a normal person who is voting ukip... About par for the course
Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine)
28/09/2014 23:02
WATCH @MichaelLCrick get the vox pop of 2014, on Mark Reckless - first answer is classic blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-…
Download the official Twitter0 -
I am sure the policy did not look as good on a Sunday morning as it did on a Friday evening.Flightpath said:isam said:
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
Hillarious. Was there a treaty signed which caused the change of heart?isam said:
Mr O'Flynn told the conference: 'I want it to investigate the feasibility of imposing a luxury goods rate of VAT.Richard_Nabavi said:
Come off it, this was the economic spokesman speaking at the official UKIP conference a few months before the election:isam said:
You know full well the proposal you speak of wasn't the ukip headline tax announcement. It was never even policy, it was "to be looked at"... So sad
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dffd452-4595-11e4-9b71-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EeIE1IDm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-will-cut-inheritance-tax-and-raise-luxury-vat-9757897.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770939/UKIP-unveils-new-Wag-Tax-luxury-shoes-handbags-cars-soak-substantial-funds-wealthiest.html
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
His uncertain terms were first gaining power and then asking the treasury to look at it. Not have a rethink over a glass of burgundy.
But who amongst us has not made the same mistake?
It was not a one night stand though, the policy lasted 2 nights.0 -
Mine too, and I went to Marlborough, though a few years after Mr Reckless in both cases.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now that's unfair.TheScreamingEagles said:To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Mark Reckless went to Oxford (my old college, as it happens!)0 -
I confused 1/5 and 1/6 didn't i?JonnyJimmy said:
Didn't you need correcting, just the other day, on some similar conversion of odds into percentages? I think you blamed the morning..isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
Yes everyone makes mistakes, I want trying to show off though.0 -
I'm assuming Mike made a mistake, it is known to happen. I still get confused by decimals and calculating percentages. I prefer it in old money/fractions.isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
On your second point, because, to be blunt, no one gives a rats poop about Euros or local elections.
Westminster elections on the other hand.0 -
You were going to correct Mike. weren't you ? 2.65/1 and 37.7% chance ?isam said:
I confused 1/5 and 1/6 didn't i?JonnyJimmy said:
Didn't you need correcting, just the other day, on some similar conversion of odds into percentages? I think you blamed the morning..isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
Yes everyone makes mistakes, I want trying to show off though.0 -
Could he be expected to know which bar his boss was in? Reckless who once missed a vote because he was drunk seems to have found his right nich. But again I say - if the WAG tax - which is actually a tax on jobs of skilled British crasftsmen/women - is no more, then where is the money for the fine sounding promises? Its all so very Ed Miliband.Richard_Nabavi said:
It shows they are a shambles, that is all. I'm sure he was entirely sincere in his bonkers suggestion, and perhaps he even naively thought that, as economic spokesman, he was authorised to speak on economic matters, until The Boss told him otherwise.isam said:
Oh my gosh what a humiliating u turn... He said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to "investigate the feasability" of doing something, and then it was decided not to
How can they go back on that??? It's like a cast iron guarantee!
Here's a hint, offered free and gratis: check it with The Boss first.0 -
Yes someone on twitter asked Mike why he was backing the Tories and 2.65/1 and he saidsurbiton said:
You were going to correct Mike. weren't you ? 2.65/1 and 37.7% chance ?isam said:
I confused 1/5 and 1/6 didn't i?JonnyJimmy said:
Didn't you need correcting, just the other day, on some similar conversion of odds into percentages? I think you blamed the morning..isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
Yes everyone makes mistakes, I want trying to show off though.
"because I make it better than 37.7% chance of happening" or words to that effect
Which I thought was a bit of an unfriendly smart arse answer, before I realised that 2.65/1 is a 27% chance which made it look worse
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Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ
Rank in Ukip-friendly list:
Clacton = 1
Rotherham = 66
Thanet N = 92
Thanet S = 142
Heywood & Midd = 148
Rochester & S = 271
Eastleigh = 324
That Thanet S is 142 in that list but Thanet N is only 92 tells me that Goodwin has got something wrong in his calculations. As someone who grew up in Thanet it did not surprise me that Thanet South (predominantly Ramsgate) was amongst the most pro UKIP areas of the country. That Thanet North is slightly more surprising but not that much. The idea that somewhere like Rotherham is generically much higher than either Thanet seat is laughable.
I suspect Goodwin is overplaying the class thing (he really seems to love repeating that UKIP voters are old, thick poor and white whenever he can) and failing to consider other considerations such as Kent being a Grammar School area (Kent, Lincolnshire and parts of Essex still have grammar schools), its proximity to Europe, its historical legacy as a result and so forth.
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You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:SIXTY TIMES??!!
Wow. My ex left his Springsteen Greatest Hits behind and I ripped the CD, then deleted the lot as I just don't like his stuff. Given I've got over 350 different artists on my playlist - Bruce seems to be the odd one out.
I've no idea why he doesn't appeal to me.
EDIT Thinking about it - no Led Zep, Deep Purple or Hendrix either. And he liked them too...
Newcastle City Hall was super. Just large enough for 2000 people and cosy.
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8
Two of my favourite artists are Springsteen and Neil Young, for all the brilliant songs they have written two cover versions are among my favorites, An astonishing version of This Little Light of Mine:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTebgVrHEVM
And Neil Young's version of the unofficial Canadian national anthem, which is now my favourite ever song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9UjLeLN5A
snipped
He is astonishing live, surely the best ever live performer. I've seen him over 60 times and never get tired of it.
He once did an interview during the Born in the USA tour in 1985 how he felt playing 200 hundred dates around the world, doesn't he get bored etc. His answer was it may be night 116 for him and the band but for the bloke who had saved up to get two tickets for him and his girl it was his big night, so he gave everything he had each and every show.
When you go to see the shows you realize that the only person having a better time than you is Bruce himself.
He doesn't appeal to a lot of women, they just see his music as the bombastic stuff, when they should try brilliant tracks such as One Step Up and This Hard Land.
Sixty times over nearly 40 years but I take your point, however if you think that is bad there are much worse sad cases than me.
For example people queue for at least 24 hours to get in the pit, and if he is playing the same venue the next night they leave during the encores to get in the queue for the pit the following night.0 -
@nigel4england and plato Plato
I think Nigel is probably right here- I think the musical consensus is that Springsteen is the best live act- and without seeing him, it is difficult to contradict.
But- this is without doubt the best track, of the greatest live performance in the history of modern music. The "shove it up your nose" impro still makes me laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb0Jmy-JYbA0 -
Things in Reckless' favour
1. A few weeks extra time campaigning before Tories pick candidate
2. Resounding UKIP European Election victory only four months ago
3. Private polling putting him at least 10%+ ahead
4. Incumbency/Personal vote
5. 5% English Democratic party vote in 2010
6. UKIP momentum from Clacton win/other defectors
7. Potential for Labour switchers if Labour take it easy.
8. UKIP have plenty of activists in the area
9. Similar 2010 vote breakdown to Clacton0 -
I hope you are not the UKIP Economic spokesperson.isam said:
I confused 1/5 and 1/6 didn't i?JonnyJimmy said:
Didn't you need correcting, just the other day, on some similar conversion of odds into percentages? I think you blamed the morning..isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
Yes everyone makes mistakes, I want trying to show off though.
Read this quietly please,
http://www.bettingexpert.com/blog/how-to-convert-odds
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TSE Clegg went to Robinson College I believe and Westminster. My sister walked past him in Putney today with his wife and children apparently he lives round the corner, though his official residence is Chevening I believe0
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That's a super track - I've added it to my Selfie Tape. Totally forgotten about it.
It certainly has Country overtones.
I get quite nihilistic at times - when I do, nothing beats The Auteurs and Lenny Valentino. Or Glory Box from Portishead.
Lenny Valentino https://youtube.com/watch?v=6B5es1l9pk4isam said:Plato said:There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
I ran a thread somewhere else about guilty pleasures and records we kept hidden away from our Cool Friends. It was very funny what we confessed to liking.
One chap said it was difficult to work out what he'd hide first - his Dolly Parton collection or porn stash. Ha!Grandiose said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8anotherDave said:Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
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I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.anotherDave said:Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4
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Does this count as country? One of fav my songsPlato said:There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
Grandiose said:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
ople and cosy.
http://youtu.be/oXqPjx94YMg
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Hugh If anything it is the Guardian and BBC which are the mouthpiece of the social democratic, liberal metropolitan establishment0
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I'm sure, who doesn't get confused and make mistakes? I just think to try and be clever, and a bit smart then make a mistake while doing it serves him right... No one made him convert the odds any which wayTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm assuming Mike made a mistake, it is known to happen. I still get confused by decimals and calculating percentages. I prefer it in old money/fractions.isam said:
Or the SWPTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm joining team 2015, to campaign in Rochester and Strood.Scrapheap_as_was said:Winker reckless, we are coming to get you...
To make sure Reckless' name is spoken in the same breath as Phibly, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt.
Fancy joining me?
On a totally unrelated matter *innocent face*
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h
@Gri64 @uncleporkie From exchanges on Rochester that I've had today I've never seen the Tories so angry or so determined
Talking of tweets, do Mike or yourself know the difference between 2.65/1 and a 37.7% chance?
And why is an election turnout of 30% relevant sometimes but not on other occasions?
On your second point, because, to be blunt, no one gives a rats poop about Euros or local elections.
Westminster elections on the other hand.
To be fair I'm only bothered to comment because Mike keeps trying to trip me up re betting and failing miserably. I don't know why he is so keen to do so. There's no beef from me about anything0 -
Labour could go for it. Having said that, it may not be a good idea to win this one for Labour to feed the Tory meme about Vote UKIP, get Labour !Artist said:Things in Reckless' favour
1. A few weeks extra time campaigning before Tories pick candidate
2. Resounding UKIP European Election victory only four months ago
3. Private polling putting him at least 10%+ ahead
4. Incumbency/Personal vote
5. 5% English Democratic party vote in 2010
6. UKIP momentum from Clacton win/other defectors
7. Potential for Labour switchers if Labour take it easy.
8. UKIP have plenty of activists in the area
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@Plato
Your Linda Ronstadt number sent me on a YouTube safari that ended up with The Shirelles 'Will you still love me tomorrow'. Thanks for that!
That zither is weird looking fish. I think without the video I would have assumed the sound was produced by some kind mariachi band.
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#percentagechancegate #casios
That's all I've got - sorry, if you were expecting more folks...0 -
PS You can download the MP3 here get-tune.mobi/?listen-mp3=kd+lang+-+constant+cravingPlato said:
That's a super track - I've added it to my Selfie Tape. Totally forgotten about it.
It certainly has Country overtones.
I get quite nihilistic at times - when I do, nothing beats The Auteurs and Lenny Valentino. Or Glory Box from Portishead.
Lenny Valentino https://youtube.com/watch?v=6B5es1l9pk4isam said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
I ran a thread somewhere else about guilty pleasures and records we kept hidden away from our Cool Friends. It was very funny what we confessed to liking.
One chap said it was difficult to work out what he'd hide first - his Dolly Parton collection or porn stash. Ha!Grandiose said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.anotherDave said:Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
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Does this count as country? One of fav my songsPlato said:There seem to be a few Country/Folk fans on here = Golly. I thought it was just me.
Grandiose said:anotherDave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-lLlEtoAS8Plato said:I don't know that one - do you have a linky?
I love covers - The Damned doing Eloise, Jose Feliciano doing Light My Fire... I think they're much better than the originals > youtube.com/watch?v=w7rXONoTOHganotherDave said:
I like the Lennon and Maisy cover of that song.Plato said:
If you like Folk - do try The Lumineers. I've got one of their albums and it's very foot-tapping. Ho-Hey youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4JohnLilburne said:
You are right, I saw a few bands there. I even went to a Lindisfarne Christmas gig!Plato said:MK Bowl? What a souless venue. I saw Ozfest there and it was dismal - even worse than Rush at the Highland Exhibition Centre. And that's saying something.
ople and cosy.
http://youtu.be/oXqPjx94YMg
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