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Richard_Tyndall said:

Plato said:

Interesting perspective from the Adam Smith Institute re UKIP policy. They aren't happy bunnies. Given they're free-wheeling marketeers - this is quite strong stuff.

IMO, the issue of a lack of integration/foreign cultures imported wholesale is the real problem. Just as an aside, I shop online at Tesco. There are oodles of Polish groceries available. Only described in Polish. When I worked in Reading, there were oodles of shops that talked an entirely different language - it made Leicester seem fairly British in comparison.

I'm all for enjoying other culture stuff [and shopped a lot at a huge Chinese supermarket back in the early 80s outside Newcastle] - but not when it dominates any significant part of a postcode, or changes our fundamental way of life for the local British residents.

Here's what the ASI has to say about Ukip policy, and immigration in general:

"UKIP’s line on immigration is intellectually and morally bankrupt. Despite what UKIP claims, immigration is good for virtually everyone in society, rich and poor alike. The evidence is clear that even low-skilled immigration only hurts low-skilled native wages temporarily, and does not affect the number of jobs available to natives at all. The reason for this is that immigrants demand services as well as supplying them: every job taken by an immigrant also means a new job will be created to supply him or her with theieave the EU, it is vital that they maintain open borders with the EU..."

>> blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287887/ukip-vs-the-free-market-britains-immigration-debate-gets-interesting/

anotherDave said:

UKIP have added some 'about Doncaster' facts to their website.

http://www.ukip.org/doncaster

Perhaps a Doncaster quiz will be Mr Miliband's next media SNAFU?

(I came across a Labour list piece the other day claiming that Miliband-major was a less than diligent constituency MP.)

http://labourlist.org/2013/05/we-need-to-talk-about-south-shields/

HurstLlama said:

@MorrisDancer

"Mr. Llama, penning in ISIS and enabling forces on the ground to enjoy the best chance of total victory is the aim."

Is it? Was that what was said in the Commons today? Did they also mention what ground troops were going to be doing the heavy lifting?

Richard_Tyndall said:

Interesting watching the bickering starting on the social media between various UKIP strands. Some are being rather blunt in asking what on earth UKIP are thinking of with the luxury tax and others are then vociferously attacking them. Selected highlights of one FB thread:

Original posting (by a well respected UKIP member)

- "So UKIP is the party to penalise the aspirational classes by proposing VAT at 25% on luxury goods .How did such a daft proposal get passed ?
Or did it ?"

Responses

- "Can't say I'm enthusiastic about this, abandoning the flat tax, or about opposing the transatlantic free trade deal."

- " A somewhat misguided attempt to appeal to what your leadership thinks the working class might want? Somewhat out of date, I'd say. The working class has long abandoned the idea of knowing its place."

- "What a load of b******s. Tax luxury goods to the hilt ask people going to food banks if they would like a Mercedes with or without chips. You are an ignorant TOSSER"

I think this is going to be a very silly move by UKIP.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Unfortunately the Adam Smith Institute are arguing for uncontrolled immigration, something that is as daft as an idea as no immigration at all. It undermines any serious points they might have to make.

Controlled immigration designed to benefit the UK is a necessity. Uncontrolled immigration is just plain daft.

I suppose the ASI would also be supporting the consequences of such uncontrolled immigration such as we have seen today with other EU countries claiming millions in benefit payments for their own unemployed.

manofkent2014 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Interesting watching the bickering starting on the social media between various UKIP strands. Some are being rather blunt in asking what on earth UKIP are thinking of with the luxury tax and others are then vociferously attacking them. Selected highlights of one FB thread:

Original posting (by a well respected UKIP member)

- "So UKIP is the party to penalise the aspirational classes by proposing VAT at 25% on luxury goods .How did such a daft proposal get passed ?
Or did it ?"

Responses

- "Can't say I'm enthusiastic about this, abandoning the flat tax, or about opposing the transatlantic free trade deal."

- " A somewhat misguided attempt to appeal to what your leadership thinks the working class might want? Somewhat out of date, I'd say. The working class has long abandoned the idea of knowing its place."

- "What a load of b******s. Tax luxury goods to the hilt ask people going to food banks if they would like a Mercedes with or without chips. You are an ignorant TOSSER"

I think this is going to be a very silly move by UKIP.

Wasn't a core tenet of Thatcherite economic thinking moving taxation from income taxes onto purchase taxes?

isam said:

manofkent2014 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Plato said:

Interesting perspective from the Adam Smith Institute re UKIP policy. They aren't happy bunnies. Given they're free-wheeling marketeers - this is quite strong stuff.
...

I'm all for enjoying other culture stuff [and shopped a lot at a huge Chinese supermarket back in the early 80s outside Newcastle] - but not when it dominates any significant part of a postcode, or changes our fundamental way of life for the local British residents.

Here's what the ASI has to say about Ukip policy, and immigration in general:

>> blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287887/ukip-vs-the-free-market-britains-immigration-debate-gets-interesting/

...

I suppose the ASI would also be supporting the consequences of such uncontrolled immigration such as we have seen today with other EU countries claiming millions in benefit payments for their own unemployed.

Indeed the only difference between UKIP and the EU's approach to immigration is scale. The EU want to limit immigration into the EU based on need whilst allowing free movement within the EU. UKIP want to limit immigration into the UK based on need whilst allowing free movement of labour within the UK.. The principle is identical and those who criticise UKIP should equally be critical of the EU and basically virtually every other major economic power around the globe because they all place similar restrictions on immigration

Flightpath said:

isam said:

manofkent2014 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Plato said:

Interesting perspective from the Adam Smith Institute re UKIP policy. They aren't happy bunnies. Given they're free-wheeling marketeers - this is quite strong stuff.
...

I'm all for enjoying other culture stuff [and shopped a lot at a huge Chinese supermarket back in the early 80s outside Newcastle] - but not when it dominates any significant part of a postcode, or changes our fundamental way of life for the local British residents.

Here's what the ASI has to say about Ukip policy, and immigration in general:

>> blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287887/ukip-vs-the-free-market-britains-immigration-debate-gets-interesting/

...

I suppose the ASI would also be supporting the consequences of such uncontrolled immigration such as we have seen today with other EU countries claiming millions in benefit payments for their own unemployed.

Indeed the only difference between UKIP and the EU's approach to immigration is scale. The EU want to limit immigration into the EU based on need whilst allowing free movement within the EU. UKIP want to limit immigration into the UK based on need whilst allowing free movement of labour within the UK.. The principle is identical and those who criticise UKIP should equally be critical of the EU and basically virtually every other major economic power around the globe because they all place similar restrictions on immigration

That's how I see it, I'm glad you said that.

The uk is like a mini EU, except we all speak the same language, are small enough to make a single currency work without resentment and steeped In enough history for it to feel natural rather than forced

I can never understand how pro EU people are so hostile to the idea of controlled immigration but are ok with the EU limits on non EU members! it's the same thing!

Really it's big state vs small state that is the argument

another_richard said:

Sean_F said:

This is hardly surprising. Mass immigration is a kind of trickle-up economics. It pushes up property prices, while holding down wages. That's good news for the ASI.

Over and above that, there's always been a divide on the Right between those who feel more affinity with their countrymen than they do with foreigners, and those who feel more affinity with rich and cultured foreigners than they do with their countrymen. UKIP represent the former, the ASI the latter.

Interesting how globalisation causes downward pressure on workers earnings but upward pressure on executive oligarch earnings.

I've never heard the likes of the ASI call for the mass immigration of executives from low paid countries in order to put downward pressure on executive earnings here.

Instead it seems executives earnings here need to match the highest in the world in order to 'retain talent' or some such drivel.