So far the polling’s not looking bad for LizT – politicalbetting.com
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Most of the members objected to the UK being excluded as it was an intergovernmental agreement not an EU one but the Commission & Germany got their way.Richard_Tyndall said:CarlottaVance said:The lack of an electricity trading framework meant that upon Britain’s exit from the EU single energy market on January 1, 2021, the U.K. moved to a more inefficient system for buying and selling electricity through subsea inter-connectors linking Britain with France, the Netherlands and Belgium. This is adding hundreds of millions of pounds per year to the energy bills of British households, according to the U.K. energy industry.
And two years after Brexit, Britain has not yet managed to be readmitted to the North Sea Energy Cooperation (NSEC) platform, an intergovernmental organization to develop offshore wind-farms in the North Sea region and accelerate the transition to renewables. The Commission kicked Britain out of the group in 2020 despite it not being an EU agency, ignoring calls by several member countries and the EU’s Green Deal chief Frans Timmermans for the U.K. to remain.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-accuses-eu-stalling-energy-cooperation-amid-crisis/
Particularly daft given we have the majority of offshore wind generation in the North Sea at the moment. We generate just under 50% of the total European offshore wind (which includes Mediterranean generation). Cutting us out of the system is just plain dumb.1 -
Even Gordon Brown and the pound shop Gordon Brown led in the polls when they became.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
This is quite striking.
Our latest Red Wall poll finds Labour leading the Conservatives by 15%, two points less than in our previous poll two weeks ago. Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 4 September) are as follows:
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 34% (+3)
Reform UK 7% (–)
Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (–)
Plaid Cymru 0% (-1)0 -
Even the horses in Russia look depressed.Chris said:
He just wants to be treated with the respect that's due to him.wooliedyed said:Question is, what does Putin want really? Does he want Crimea, Zap, Kherson, Luhansk and Donbass and then stop? Does he want that plus regime change? Does he want the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia?
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He needs @DuraAce to regulate his...... fitness regime.Chris said:
He just wants to be treated with the respect that's due to him.wooliedyed said:Question is, what does Putin want really? Does he want Crimea, Zap, Kherson, Luhansk and Donbass and then stop? Does he want that plus regime change? Does he want the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia?
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Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/0 -
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than most of the rest of Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/0 -
All of which is true. But - it still wasn't very good. Partly because of the tokenism which felt awkwardly shoehorned in but more because of the attempt to make it more modern/credible in terms of Bond's character while having the daftest secret weapon ever as the key plot point.Malmesbury said:
The fact that it wasn't very good had nothing to do with the black woman as 007. Indeed her role seemed token (rather insulting really) compared to, say, Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies.ydoethur said:
It was also not very good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, the last Bond film featured a black woman as 007, the world has moved on.ydoethur said:
I hate to sound like Leon, but this strikes me as a very stupid move. Bond fans won't buy any 'evolved' agenda and it's unlikely to attract new ones by pretending to be more in tune with the modern world.paulyork64 said:
™The Spy Who Really Respected Me"?HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
If you feel it's inappropriate for the modern world, don't make any more films.
Perhaps it's time to accept the world really has moved on?
The reason it wasn't very good was an attempt to shovel all kinds of odds and ends into the plot. It seemed like a bad video game. Especially the last act.
Which might be, as I said, a sign that it's time to retire the franchise. Sixty years is a good run and ending it with the death of Bond would feel appropriate.0 -
Well then we'd better stop eating beaver as well, to save the planetTheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?2 -
“Mr Kiss Kiss, but only on receipt of a written statement of consent”?paulyork64 said:
™The Spy Who Really Respected Me"?HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
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Yes, that was my thought yesterday.rottenborough said:
You would have thought any youngish man would have googled "How to leave Russia" months ago rather, as seems the case, today.Cookie said:
So as well as Russians having to buy weaponry from North Korea, Russians are now fleeing to Mongolia.Leon said:#BREAKING: Huge Traffic Jam reported at the Russian-Mongolian border in Buryatia.
Not really signs of a country in robust good health.
But I suppose many thought "we will win this easily" or "they will come for someone else first".
Inertia is the most powerful force in the world.0 -
Since the BBC story cited does NOT state the actual crime committed, hard to answer your questions.turbotubbs said:
Ok - they are obviously shits but I am at a loss to know what crime they committed? Is it an offence to send a grossly offensive message to a friend? Is that different to a phone call saying the same things?bondegezou said:
Good news.Cyclefree said:Meanwhile two Met officers found guilty in relation to the disgusting messages they shared in a WhatsApp group with Sarah Everard's killer.
Sentencing on 2 Nov.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-62981675
Suspect fact that these assholes were/are police officers MIGHT have something to do with it?0 -
To Russia with Peace and Love.0
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Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/0 -
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.1 -
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That's what they said before. And then Golden Eye rebooted it. Brilliantly.ydoethur said:
All of which is true. But - it still wasn't very good. Partly because of the tokenism which felt awkwardly shoehorned in but more because of the attempt to make it more modern/credible in terms of Bond's character while having the daftest secret weapon ever as the key plot point.Malmesbury said:
The fact that it wasn't very good had nothing to do with the black woman as 007. Indeed her role seemed token (rather insulting really) compared to, say, Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies.ydoethur said:
It was also not very good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, the last Bond film featured a black woman as 007, the world has moved on.ydoethur said:
I hate to sound like Leon, but this strikes me as a very stupid move. Bond fans won't buy any 'evolved' agenda and it's unlikely to attract new ones by pretending to be more in tune with the modern world.paulyork64 said:
™The Spy Who Really Respected Me"?HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
If you feel it's inappropriate for the modern world, don't make any more films.
Perhaps it's time to accept the world really has moved on?
The reason it wasn't very good was an attempt to shovel all kinds of odds and ends into the plot. It seemed like a bad video game. Especially the last act.
Which might be, as I said, a sign that it's time to retire the franchise.
Atomic Blonde showed what could be done, if you want a female action spy.0 -
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/0 -
What about pussy?Leon said:
Well then we'd better stop eating beaver as well, to save the planetTheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?1 -
Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw4 -
Sustainable Resources Finger.0
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i think the crime used for these sorts of things is Misconduct in a public officeSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Since the BBC story cited does NOT state the actual crime committed, hard to answer your questions.turbotubbs said:
Ok - they are obviously shits but I am at a loss to know what crime they committed? Is it an offence to send a grossly offensive message to a friend? Is that different to a phone call saying the same things?bondegezou said:
Good news.Cyclefree said:Meanwhile two Met officers found guilty in relation to the disgusting messages they shared in a WhatsApp group with Sarah Everard's killer.
Sentencing on 2 Nov.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-62981675
Suspect fact that these assholes were/are police officers MIGHT have something to do with it?0 -
I don't see the point of Bond films any more. Other franchises do similar things better. I remember the big slightly campy action films of late Roger Moore in my childhood, but something like Fast and Furious or Kingsmen does that better now. If you want something more serious, give me another Bourne movie.ydoethur said:
I hate to sound like Leon, but this strikes me as a very stupid move. Bond fans won't buy any 'evolved' agenda and it's unlikely to attract new ones by pretending to be more in tune with the modern world.paulyork64 said:
™The Spy Who Really Respected Me"?HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
If you feel it's inappropriate for the modern world, don't make any more films.
But the people who make Bond want to do more, so I guess you have to modernise them or do them as period pieces (the way Christie often is).2 -
It also means that a non-Woke Bond will simply replace the actual Bond, finishing off Bond. So stupidFishing said:
... and audiences down 80% I imagine. If people wanted sensitive, woke characters, they'd probably watch romcoms. Bond is supposed to be a licensed thug and killer.HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
People want unbridled masculinity, violence, with lots of bedded hot women. That's the point
Interestingly, younger friends of mine are reporting this from the field. In publishing, Hollywood, the arts, amongst really young people - especially men - there is suddenly a hunger for non-Woke ultra-macho movies, books, memoirs, magazines, video games. and so on
There is a killing to be made if you've got the cullions
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Mm, thanks, now that is interesting (but unsurprising). Wonder if the PB frackers will believe him?CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
Edit: He's co-written an op-ed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/liz-truss-fracking-britain-economic-political-low-carbon-cuadrilla
With an interesting sting in the tail:
"In addition to the gesture at shale gas, we believe that two other readily available sources of net zero energy ought to be pursued.
One is the vast amount of warm, non-potable brine underneath large parts of the country – an energy source we have been evaluating for potential future ventures. [...]
And then there is Britain’s tidal range, second highest in the world."2 -
President Putin is thinking/pretending he is 21st century's answer to Comrade Stalin.
When actually he is modern-dress (or undress) equivalent to Czar Nicholas II.0 -
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.2 -
That’s just merely same as all others, Liz surge at expense of libdems, in the roundabout of voters isn’t it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Even Gordon Brown and the pound shop Gordon Brown led in the polls when they became.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
This is quite striking.
Our latest Red Wall poll finds Labour leading the Conservatives by 15%, two points less than in our previous poll two weeks ago. Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 4 September) are as follows:
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 34% (+3)
Reform UK 7% (–)
Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (–)
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'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...2 -
Apropos of absolutely nothing the Mongolian word for beaver is minj.Leon said:
Well then we'd better stop eating beaver as well, to save the planetTheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?3 -
There is prima facie evidence that Trump/Trump Org committed fraud. Should we give up on concepts like Justice because prosecuting Trump will deepen the divide in the US? Ultimately, is not the divide best healed by respecting process and saying that a nation can and will treat everyone equally?wooliedyed said:
Quite. This will simply deepen the divide in the USSandpit said:
Indeed, and something which Trump, irrespective of the merits (or otherwise) of the case, will seek to run all the way up to the Supreme Court as being a politically-motivated prosecution. Or he’ll formally declare he’s running in 2024, and see it adjourned until after the election.wooliedyed said:
She ran on a 'get Trump' ticketSandpit said:
It’s always worth remembering in cases like this, that the “State Attorney General” is a directly elected position in the US. She is a politician as well as a prosecutor.FrankBooth said:Trump sounds to be in real trouble. Valuing property 2 to 3 times their worth.
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ahahahahAHAHAHAHAHATheScreamingEagles said:
Apropos of absolutely nothing the Mongolian word for beaver is minj.Leon said:
Well then we'd better stop eating beaver as well, to save the planetTheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?
That's my favourite fact of THE WEEK
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No. It's more a matter of what can be proven.Driver said:
A civil lawsuit? So they don't think they can prove any crimes were committed?CarlottaVance said:Breaking: New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a civil fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and others, according to court records.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1572608786061213702
And filing state civil suite now, does NOT preclude state (or federal) criminal charges in future.0 -
The Matt cartoon just out is a classic:Chris said:
He just wants to be treated with the respect that's due to him.wooliedyed said:Question is, what does Putin want really? Does he want Crimea, Zap, Kherson, Luhansk and Donbass and then stop? Does he want that plus regime change? Does he want the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia?
https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1572622182618116096
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Yes, it's a diesel bus.
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If the most successful examples entail sectarian riots, I am not sure that is the killer example argument you think it is.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than nearly any other in Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
However, I am not going to fall for the suggestion that this is just part of being a multiracial society. In reality there are lots of immigrants who integrate and have civilized standards of conduct. We should only be keeping out the ones with hardline religious/cultural views that condone violence or try to institute honour culture.0 -
The latest Predator movie could be viewed as filling this need. Was something of a breakout hit IIRC.Leon said:
It also means that a non-Woke Bond will simply replace the actual Bond, finishing off Bond. So stupidFishing said:
... and audiences down 80% I imagine. If people wanted sensitive, woke characters, they'd probably watch romcoms. Bond is supposed to be a licensed thug and killer.HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
People want unbridled masculinity, violence, with lots of bedded hot women. That's the point
Interestingly, younger friends of mine are reporting this from the field. In publishing, Hollywood, the arts, amongst really young people - especially men - there is suddenly a hunger for non-Woke ultra-macho movies, books, memoirs, magazines, video games. and so on
There is a killing to be made if you've got the cullions0 -
The article is badly written.. but it refers to another officer being cleared, earlierstate_go_away said:
i think the crime used for these sorts of things is Misconduct in a public officeSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Since the BBC story cited does NOT state the actual crime committed, hard to answer your questions.turbotubbs said:
Ok - they are obviously shits but I am at a loss to know what crime they committed? Is it an offence to send a grossly offensive message to a friend? Is that different to a phone call saying the same things?bondegezou said:
Good news.Cyclefree said:Meanwhile two Met officers found guilty in relation to the disgusting messages they shared in a WhatsApp group with Sarah Everard's killer.
Sentencing on 2 Nov.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-62981675
Suspect fact that these assholes were/are police officers MIGHT have something to do with it?
William Neville, from Weybridge in Surrey, 34, was cleared of sending grossly offensive messages following a trial at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July.1 -
I doubt Dura Ace will be in such good shape when he's 79.Malmesbury said:
He needs @DuraAce to regulate his...... fitness regime.Chris said:
He just wants to be treated with the respect that's due to him.wooliedyed said:Question is, what does Putin want really? Does he want Crimea, Zap, Kherson, Luhansk and Donbass and then stop? Does he want that plus regime change? Does he want the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia?
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That is an astonishing measurement of the Liz surge going on, added to all the different ways it’s being looked for by Mike in this header.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
Those of us who laughed at the idea of a Truss bounce are very wrong.0 -
Yes, Liz has lost the redwall seats in the North, the Midlands and Wales back to Labour but she has regained a few voters from the LDs, so if the Tories are lucky they might regain Chesham and Amersham and Tiverton and Honiton and hold Woking and Wantage!MoonRabbit said:
That’s just merely same as all others, Liz surge at expense of libdems, in the roundabout of voters isn’t it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Even Gordon Brown and the pound shop Gordon Brown led in the polls when they became.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
This is quite striking.
Our latest Red Wall poll finds Labour leading the Conservatives by 15%, two points less than in our previous poll two weeks ago. Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 4 September) are as follows:
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 34% (+3)
Reform UK 7% (–)
Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (–)
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You can’t buck the market geology.Carnyx said:
Mm, thanks, now that is interesting (but unsurprising). Wonder if the PB frackers will believe him?CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
Edit: He's co-written an op-ed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/liz-truss-fracking-britain-economic-political-low-carbon-cuadrilla
With an interesting sting in the tail:
"In addition to the gesture at shale gas, we believe that two other readily available sources of net zero energy ought to be pursued.
One is the vast amount of warm, non-potable brine underneath large parts of the country – an energy source we have been evaluating for potential future ventures. [...]
And then there is Britain’s tidal range, second highest in the world."
Edit - he has an interest in thermal, but not in tidal.1 -
TBF also the belief in Scottish independence is a protected *philosophical* belief in law - much to MoD disgust when they tried to nobble a SNP activist.ydoethur said:
'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...0 -
The second sentence implies "yes", doesn't it?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. It's more a matter of what can be proven.Driver said:
A civil lawsuit? So they don't think they can prove any crimes were committed?CarlottaVance said:Breaking: New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a civil fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and others, according to court records.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1572608786061213702
And filing state civil suite now, does NOT preclude state (or federal) criminal charges in future.
As for the third, how can there possibly be a fair criminal trial after a civil lawsuit?0 -
Oh, it has. Don't make the same mistake I made. Keep it as a fond memory.paulyork64 said:
Your comment has made me fondly remember "Whoops Apocalypse". I may have to find and rewatch. It could have aged very badly.Chris said:
Is it a coincidence that this is accompanied by a photo of a large penis on wheels?rottenborough said:Henry Foy
@HenryJFoy
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"This is probably the most delicate phase of this decades-long game of chicken," said a senior European diplomat. "Putin is actively trying to sow discord."
"But if Putin blinks he is gone and with him the dream of a resurgent imperial Russia."
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Or indeed monkeyydoethur said:
What about pussy?Leon said:
Well then we'd better stop eating beaver as well, to save the planetTheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?
And I for one am going to go further, and avoid some crustacea. Such as the bearded clam0 -
My brother in law once drove an old car all the way up the M1 and M6 to Glasgow in order to burn it in a 'carhenge' at Pollok Park. To protest about ... a motorway. That was probably 30 years ago.Driver said:Meanwhile, in "utter hypocrisy" news...
Yes, that's a diesel bus.
Situation normal.1 -
As my Nan would sayCarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
"Never in this world"
Of course it's political gesturing - that's the only thing this Government has left now the cupboard is completely empty.0 -
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As many of us have been saying for a long time.CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw4 -
Can PETA also ask crocodiles, sharks, lions and tigers to stop eating us?TheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?0 -
Been doing that for a while.FrankBooth said:I'm no expert on American law but wonder if people should be laying Trump now?
He’s a proud scofflaw, but it’s been increasingly evident that there might finally be sufficient evidence of numerous illegalities for the law to have its way with him.
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Ah okay, that match was around the corner from me a couple of weeks ago.TheScreamingEagles said:
Started off with bantz following the India/Pakistan cricket match, then escalated, depending on who you ask, started with the Muslims or the Hindus.Sandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Fake social media news has amplified it, it is mostly young people involved whilst the the elder generation are despairing.
Can’t the elder generation use their influence to calm things down a little, or does it not work like that any more?0 -
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.0 -
It was made back in the good old days, when Russian leaders dropped dead about once every six months.ohnotnow said:
Oh, it has. Don't make the same mistake I made. Keep it as a fond memory.paulyork64 said:
Your comment has made me fondly remember "Whoops Apocalypse". I may have to find and rewatch. It could have aged very badly.Chris said:
Is it a coincidence that this is accompanied by a photo of a large penis on wheels?rottenborough said:Henry Foy
@HenryJFoy
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47m
"This is probably the most delicate phase of this decades-long game of chicken," said a senior European diplomat. "Putin is actively trying to sow discord."
"But if Putin blinks he is gone and with him the dream of a resurgent imperial Russia."
https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/15725967058997452810 -
In the first week of this war I completely expected to wake up to Kiev fallen, Zelenskyy and his cabinet assassinated in a bunker and Putin on his way to securing Ukraine border and regime change - and I absolutely believe Putin and his cronies expected this too!wooliedyed said:Question is, what does Putin want really? Does he want Crimea, Zap, Kherson, Luhansk and Donbass and then stop? Does he want that plus regime change? Does he want the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia?
Now he’s ended up with much smaller land grab, no regime change, much smaller front to defend and opponents to attack it whilst he battening down for a long one, it’s very different than than the start in many ways.
How will a war that goes on for years impact the speed Ukraine will get into EU and NATO?0 -
The movement in publishing is seismic. Young men are hoovering up heroic macho stuff, fiction and non fiction, and the less Woke the better - this is what I am toldPhil said:
The latest Predator movie could be viewed as filling this need. Was something of a breakout hit IIRC.Leon said:
It also means that a non-Woke Bond will simply replace the actual Bond, finishing off Bond. So stupidFishing said:
... and audiences down 80% I imagine. If people wanted sensitive, woke characters, they'd probably watch romcoms. Bond is supposed to be a licensed thug and killer.HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
People want unbridled masculinity, violence, with lots of bedded hot women. That's the point
Interestingly, younger friends of mine are reporting this from the field. In publishing, Hollywood, the arts, amongst really young people - especially men - there is suddenly a hunger for non-Woke ultra-macho movies, books, memoirs, magazines, video games. and so on
There is a killing to be made if you've got the cullions
You could argue the success of the new Top Gun rematch (Maverick) was part of this. I watched it the other night and thought it was mediocre at best. Embarrassing at worst. But it did ONE POINT FIVE BILLION Box Office. For a not very good movie
Because it had fights and patriotism and motorbikes and jet planes shooting bad Iranians and shit
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A former colleague of mine is working for CeraPhi Energy who are looking at repurposing existing oil and gas wells, once they are depleted, as geothermal wells. Basically, you pull the Oil and Gas completion string and rerun a geothermal completion. It is an extremely costs effective way of making use of all those thousands of oil and gas wells that have reached the end of their lives rather than just pumping them full of cement which is what currently happens.Carnyx said:
Mm, thanks, now that is interesting (but unsurprising). Wonder if the PB frackers will believe him?CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
Edit: He's co-written an op-ed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/liz-truss-fracking-britain-economic-political-low-carbon-cuadrilla
With an interesting sting in the tail:
"In addition to the gesture at shale gas, we believe that two other readily available sources of net zero energy ought to be pursued.
One is the vast amount of warm, non-potable brine underneath large parts of the country – an energy source we have been evaluating for potential future ventures. [...]
And then there is Britain’s tidal range, second highest in the world."2 -
I think that on average (if you don't live in Sudan, Cornwall, or the Northern Territory) the stats rather point to the reverse.HYUFD said:
Can PETA also ask crocodiles, sharks, lions and tigers to stop eating us?TheScreamingEagles said:Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
Peta’s German operation cited research from the scientific journal PLOS One which showed that men caused 41 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions than women largely because they consumed more meat.
Peta demanded a “sex ban for all meat-eating men” and called on women to “go on sex strike to save the world”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-meat-eating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges-d9rk3850z
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat?0 -
Among other allegations, the suit claims that the former president's Florida estate and golf resort, Mar-a-Lago, was valued as high as $739 million, but should have been valued at around one-tenth that amount, at $75 million. The suit says that higher valuation was "based on the false premise that it was unrestricted property and could be developed for residential use even though Mr. Trump himself signed deeds donating his residential development rights and sharply restricting changes to the property."
James is referring her findings to federal prosecutors in Manhattan, who could possibly open a criminal investigation into bank fraud, according to a footnote in the lawsuit.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-ag-letitia-james-files-250m-lawsuit-trump/story?id=90240332
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Yes.eek said:
But that will require people to put more money into their pensions because we need the current tax revenue to pay for the current pensioners...rcs1000 said:
Fwiw, I completely agree with your proposal to remove the triple lock. The problem is that even then, pensions will rise as a percentage of GDP as earnings and GDP growth are likely to be basically identical, while the number of retirees rises.BartholomewRoberts said:
And if you suggest potentially handling the pensions and healthcare issue differently, as I did earlier, then people will accuse you of wanting to kill old people.rcs1000 said:
Spending in most government departments has been in real terms decline for some time: the problem is that pensions and healthcare are basically locked in to rise dramatically in the next decade.Sandpit said:
There need to be a zero-based spending review, it’s long overdue.eek said:
If you want lower taxes you should be cutting Government spending.BartholomewRoberts said:
Tory MPs didn't vote for Sunak's vision, about a third did but they lost the election and aren't in the Cabinet. 👍bondegezou said:
It did… and Tory MPs made clear their preference when voting for… oh, well for Sunak’s vision actually.BartholomewRoberts said:
Chooses to keep the whip? Yes, they could cross the floor if they wanted to vote against the budget, but that's a bit extreme. The leadership campaign gave people a chance to choose between those two visions.bondegezou said:
Again you confuse “has” with “chooses”.BartholomewRoberts said:
Every member of a party, even backbenchers, have to vote to follow their own government's budget, that's not new.bondegezou said:
Had to follow collective responsibility? You mean chose to follow collective responsibility.BartholomewRoberts said:
Truss was reported at the time to have opposed the decision but had to follow collective responsibility.bondegezou said:
Was Liz Truss not in the same Cabinet as Sunak? Was Jacob Rees-Mogg not? Suella Braverman? Ben Wallace? Alok Sharma?BartholomewRoberts said:
That seems to have been done. 👍bondegezou said:
Then let’s get rid of every MP who supported Sunakism… or at least the Cabinet members who did.MISTY said:
Let's look at what we know, and what we know is that Sunakism is failing. That isn't conjecture any more, it is fact. Look at the PSBR numbers now, before higher interest rates and higher corporation taxes hit home. The UK under Sunak was manifestly heading for a depression. A depression that would have blown his 'balanced budget' fantasy even more off course than it is now.bondegezou said:
I agree that saying you’re balancing the budget and actually doing so are two different things. The Truss government isn’t even saying they’re balancing the budget!BartholomewRoberts said:
Saying you're balancing the budget and actually doing so are two completely different things. How does cutting Income Tax by 4p while increasing National Insurance, thus completely distorting taxation away from unearned incomes and towards earned ones, do anything whatsoever to balance the budget.bondegezou said:
Sunak was seeking to balance the budget. Truss, like Kansas, is relying on future growth to pay for hers. That’s where the similarity is.BartholomewRoberts said:
Not that novel, its actually explicitly mentioned in your own link.bondegezou said:
While I’m here, here’s a nice FT article: https://www.ft.com/content/a9be9db6-a91e-48e4-8d69-4bbfff7e0f5fBartholomewRoberts said:
The Kansas experiment was deeply, deeply flawed and not remotely comparable to the UK whatsoever. The UK is reversing tax rates back to what they were a few months ago, from a record high base in the past 74 years.bondegezou said:
I’m trying to work out some funny way to pun Truss and Kansas. Kantruss? Hmmm… not funny enough… The point being that this fantasy that you can cut taxes and everything will work out has been tried, and it doesn’t work. The classic, and very tragic, example of this is known as the Kansas Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experimentBartholomewRoberts said:
Well said, the idea you can tax your way to growth has never been true and never will be true. Brownism failed under Brown, and its failed under Sunak too.MISTY said:
Looking at the economic numbers, I have no idea why any tory still thinks Sunak would have been a better option than Truss, as you manifestly do.HYUFD said:
Most likely the result will be 2010 in reverse, a hung parliament but Starmer like Cameron wins most seatskle4 said:
This is about where I am. Labour winning outright from so far back should be very hard, but 2019 was unusual and there are a lot of time and stored up problems for the Tories. I think itll be close - if the Truss gambles pay off its a 1992 result.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, Starmer isn't that.
But the Conservatives are facing numerous significant problems.
1) They've been in for a long time, so time for a change becomes a powerful mantra.
2) Cost of living is a problem for many people.
3) The former clownish PM's antics lost the party a lot of support which has not returned.
Against that, they do have incumbency and the boundary changes should help, but I'd not be surprised if we see a lot of changes next time.
With Truss we might get some growth with a ballooning deficit. With Sunak we would get a depression with a ballooning deficit, followed by huge public spending cuts or going to the IMF. As shown by recent borrowing numbers.
The simple reality is that the Government taxes us every which way it can, so any money taken out of circulation due to higher taxes must immediately lower tax receipts in other taxes, because its no longer being spent and taxed in other ways.
But those advocating tax rises never factor this in at all. Which is why tax rises never raise as much as their adherents expect, and why tax cuts don't cost as much as their critics claim either, as any extra money circulating in the economy due to tax cuts then gets itself taxed as it circulates minimising the cost of the tax cut.
As opposed to Kansas where tax loopholes were introduced allowed many people to cut their tax rate to literally zero. Zero percent tax rate is not something I'm advocating or anyone sane is. Oh and the Kansas bill also increased many other people's tax rates, it didn't reduce it, so increasing their tax rates would of course harm the economy while eliminating tax from others does nothing to raise revenues.
You say the UK is reversing tax rates back to what they were a few months ago. Are the stamp duty changes taking us back to where we were a few months ago? Indeed, I think there had already been 7 cuts in stamp duty since 2008.
The idea that the Kansas Experiment failed because it increased people’s taxes is a novel one.
Direct benefits for the affluent
The act received criticism for shifting the tax burden from wealthy Kansans to low- and moderate-income workers.[81][40]
According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the bill cut the taxes of "the wealthiest 1% of Kansans by 2.2%," while it projected that the poorest 20% of Kansans would see "their taxes increase by 1.3%".[82]
Bryan Lowry of The Wichita Eagle estimated that almost 70% of Kansas lawmakers, as well as Governor Brownback and his wife, benefited personally from the tax cuts through business or property that they owned, which being non-wage income, was exempt from taxes under the 2012 law.[83]
I 100% wholeheartedly recognise that raising taxes on working income and eliminating taxes on non-earned incomes is a terrible, terrible idea. What tax is it in the UK that is most similar to the Kansas experiment, whereby those working see their taxes go up, while those not working see their taxes go down? Oh yes, its National Insurance, isn't it.
Sunak's plans of slashing Income Tax by 4p while raising National Insurance to pay for it is what was more like the Kansas Experiment, not Truss reversing tax rises on earnt incomes.
There are times when it’s appropriate to cut taxes, and times when it’s appropriate to borrow money. What’s particularly dangerous, however, is pretending that you can cut taxes because you’re sure future growth will be along any day now to fill the Treasury’s coffers.
Yes there are times when its appropriate to borrow money. During a supply shock recession is one of them, which is right now.
Do you think it is sensible to rely on future growth projections?
Where would he have gone after the financial meltdown he was creating became undeniable? massive public spending cuts would have been his only option.
The people in Number's 10 and 11 when Sunak started putting up the tax rises are now backbenchers and the Tories just had a bitter campaign fought on whether to continue with Sunakism or reverse his tax rises and go back to the rates before. As far as I can tell, practically everyone who endorsed Sunakism is now out of the Cabinet and quite right too.
Good riddance.
The leadership campaign gave the opportunity to choose between the two models, and Truss unabashedly stood for reversing those tax rises. Good for her, and good for everyone who endorsed her, and good riddance to everyone who endorsed Sunak instead.
I believe every member of the current Cabinet voted for Sunak’s last budget.
But the leadership campaign gave people a free and unwhipped choice and they made their choices then.
Tory MPs keep getting things wrong. You and MISTY are saying they sometimes get things wrong; I’m saying they nearly always get it wrong. I don’t think we’re too far apart here! My solution is that, at the next available democratic opportunity, we get rid of them.
If alternative candidates come with a better, lower tax vision then I of course could be tempted to vote for them.
Where would you like to begin cutting it - as the big items can't be touched.
We need to take a longer term approach of essentially copying the Australian system of compulsory pension savings, so as to avoid the government being on the hook for so many people's retirement.
And that will be painful.
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Reform UK above the Lib Dems looks quite significant.TheScreamingEagles said:
Even Gordon Brown and the pound shop Gordon Brown led in the polls when they became.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
This is quite striking.
Our latest Red Wall poll finds Labour leading the Conservatives by 15%, two points less than in our previous poll two weeks ago. Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 4 September) are as follows:
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 34% (+3)
Reform UK 7% (–)
Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (–)
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So, we haven't been nuked then? Suppose I have to do that bloody case tomorrow after all. Bah.1
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The Norwegians have an excellent record on integration. They have strict rules on immigrants learning the language and taking exams in culture and history of Norway. When I worked there, settlement rights (not even citizenship) required 200 hours of compulsory classes. They work very, very hard to prevent enclaves forming and are extremely successful at it.WillG said:
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.3 -
Have a look at France, Sweden, Spain and Italy for a comparison. Britain has done remarkably well. Germany is really the only country that is catching us up, with the Netherlands not doing too badly recently either.WillG said:
If the most successful examples entail sectarian riots, I am not sure that is the killer example argument you think it is.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than nearly any other in Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
However, I am not going to fall for the suggestion that this is just part of being a multiracial society. In reality there are lots of immigrants who integrate and have civilized standards of conduct. We should only be keeping out the ones with hardline religious/cultural views that condone violence or try to institute honour culture.0 -
Three years ago, Somerset were docked 24 points (12 suspended) for preparing a pitch deemed unfit for a match against Essex. That match lasted 148 overs, saw 21 wickets fall and was a draw due to rain.
Essex have now prepared a pitch that lasted just 205 overs, saw 40 wickets fall, and led to a result that simply looks daft.
Will they be penalised? Of course not.
Because the ECB care about their client groups, not about fairness or good cricket. And Essex as a London based club are their mates.
Remember this when Strauss finally publishes his review, which will ask a load of stupid questions and give even stupider answers to justify a predetermined conclusion.2 -
Too true. Yorkshire is just… better.ydoethur said:
'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...
And we know it 👍🏻0 -
The conclusion from this line of argument would be "all have made a collective mistake".WhisperingOracle said:
Have a look at France, Sweden, Spain and Italy for a comparison. Britain has done remarkably well. Germany is really the only country that is catching is up, with the Netherlands not doing too badly more recently, either.WillG said:
If the most successful examples entail sectarian riots, I am not sure that is the killer example argument you think it is.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than nearly any other in Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
However, I am not going to fall for the suggestion that this is just part of being a multiracial society. In reality there are lots of immigrants who integrate and have civilized standards of conduct. We should only be keeping out the ones with hardline religious/cultural views that condone violence or try to institute honour culture.0 -
If we had done that this would be a much better country.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Norwegians have an excellent record on integration. They have strict rules on immigrants learning the language and taking exams in culture and history of Norway. When I worked there, settlement rights (not even citizenship) required 200 hours of compulsory classes. They work very, very hard to prevent enclaves forming and are extremely successful at it.WillG said:
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.0 -
The interesting thing about that is that is pretty much what has happened to RCs and Irish in Scotland - though there remains sectarian tension on the edges, it doesn't so much dictate e.g. what jobs they get. However, this does depend on whom you talk to - and when, obvs. Something of a change of tune, so to speak, from this chap for instance:WillG said:
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/415149.stm
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17548457.twenty-years-scotlands-shame-sir-james-macmillan-speech-60th-birthday-new-fifth-symphony/0 -
Have they ? Germany for instance has rocket-boosted its economic growth and is successfully integrating a huge number of people better than France, or more recently the US, arguably.WillG said:
The conclusion from this line of argument would be "all have made a collective mistake".WhisperingOracle said:
Have a look at France, Sweden, Spain and Italy for a comparison. Britain has done remarkably well. Germany is really the only country that is catching is up, with the Netherlands not doing too badly more recently, either.WillG said:
If the most successful examples entail sectarian riots, I am not sure that is the killer example argument you think it is.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than nearly any other in Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
However, I am not going to fall for the suggestion that this is just part of being a multiracial society. In reality there are lots of immigrants who integrate and have civilized standards of conduct. We should only be keeping out the ones with hardline religious/cultural views that condone violence or try to institute honour culture.0 -
Canada had not done perfectly but they also do very well. Up until Trudeau, almost all of their immigration was of graduates or other skilled trades. And the provinces have lots of power to determine immigration levels, so they are responsive to integration or lack thereof on the ground.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Norwegians have an excellent record on integration. They have strict rules on immigrants learning the language and taking exams in culture and history of Norway. When I worked there, settlement rights (not even citizenship) required 200 hours of compulsory classes. They work very, very hard to prevent enclaves forming and are extremely successful at it.WillG said:
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.0 -
Quite right. I went to uni with a Yorkshireman. Though apparently their idea of being romantic is to say how beautiful the colour of the lady's Millstone Grit eyes.MoonRabbit said:
Too true. Yorkshire is just… better.ydoethur said:
'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...
And we know it 👍🏻1 -
Thanks, that's interesting.Richard_Tyndall said:
A former colleague of mine is working for CeraPhi Energy who are looking at repurposing existing oil and gas wells, once they are depleted, as geothermal wells. Basically, you pull the Oil and Gas completion string and rerun a geothermal completion. It is an extremely costs effective way of making use of all those thousands of oil and gas wells that have reached the end of their lives rather than just pumping them full of cement which is what currently happens.Carnyx said:
Mm, thanks, now that is interesting (but unsurprising). Wonder if the PB frackers will believe him?CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
Edit: He's co-written an op-ed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/liz-truss-fracking-britain-economic-political-low-carbon-cuadrilla
With an interesting sting in the tail:
"In addition to the gesture at shale gas, we believe that two other readily available sources of net zero energy ought to be pursued.
One is the vast amount of warm, non-potable brine underneath large parts of the country – an energy source we have been evaluating for potential future ventures. [...]
And then there is Britain’s tidal range, second highest in the world."0 -
Since I only posted TWO sentences, am even more confused than per usual!Driver said:
The second sentence implies "yes", doesn't it?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. It's more a matter of what can be proven.Driver said:
A civil lawsuit? So they don't think they can prove any crimes were committed?CarlottaVance said:Breaking: New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a civil fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and others, according to court records.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1572608786061213702
And filing state civil suite now, does NOT preclude state (or federal) criminal charges in future.
As for the third, how can there possibly be a fair criminal trial after a civil lawsuit?
State and federal criminal charges versus Trump are a definite possibility.
As for YOUR final sentence above, reckon you are wrong about that. But then maybe you'd prefer to take the opinion of one of the great legal minds "advising" the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo?0 -
You might want to remind Surrey of this, of course...MoonRabbit said:
Too true. Yorkshire is just… better.ydoethur said:
'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...
And we know it 👍🏻0 -
It does look like she is smashing this out of the park. Thoughts and prayers for would-be successor, Boris Johnson.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-20220 -
One very small straw in the wind is that my sole Trumpite friend, an ex-pat from Enfield now living in Florida, now refers to him as 'an idiot'. He thinks he shouldn't run but is 'idiotic enough to do it.' This from a guy who said the day Trump won the White House was the happiest of his life.Nigelb said:
Been doing that for a while.FrankBooth said:I'm no expert on American law but wonder if people should be laying Trump now?
He’s a proud scofflaw, but it’s been increasingly evident that there might finally be sufficient evidence of numerous illegalities for the law to have its way with him.
He hates Biden of course but nevertheless if Trump is losing the likes of him, he's finished.2 -
Your first sentence was one word.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Since I only posted TWO sentences, am even more confused than per usual!Driver said:
The second sentence implies "yes", doesn't it?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. It's more a matter of what can be proven.Driver said:
A civil lawsuit? So they don't think they can prove any crimes were committed?CarlottaVance said:Breaking: New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a civil fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and others, according to court records.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1572608786061213702
And filing state civil suite now, does NOT preclude state (or federal) criminal charges in future.
As for the third, how can there possibly be a fair criminal trial after a civil lawsuit?
State and federal criminal charges versus Trump are a definite possibility.
As for YOUR final sentence above, reckon you are wrong about that. But then maybe you'd prefer to take the opinion of one of the great legal minds "advising" the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo?
Hopefully the same number of words in the sentence when Trump hears judgement...0 -
GDP is simply population x income per capita. If you let a massive number in you can boost the former even if the latter goes down, for overall "economic growth". It doesn't mean that is positive for anyone currently there.WhisperingOracle said:
Have they ? Germany for instance rocket-boosted its economic growth and is integrating a huge number of people better than France, or more recently the US, arguably.WillG said:
The conclusion from this line of argument would be "all have made a collective mistake".WhisperingOracle said:
Have a look at France, Sweden, Spain and Italy for a comparison. Britain has done remarkably well. Germany is really the only country that is catching is up, with the Netherlands not doing too badly more recently, either.WillG said:
If the most successful examples entail sectarian riots, I am not sure that is the killer example argument you think it is.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than nearly any other in Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
However, I am not going to fall for the suggestion that this is just part of being a multiracial society. In reality there are lots of immigrants who integrate and have civilized standards of conduct. We should only be keeping out the ones with hardline religious/cultural views that condone violence or try to institute honour culture.
And your second statement is just another relative example.0 -
Canada created the multiculturalism-integraton model. That's what really works, not the straw man of ghettoised communities, which were never intended in Britain either, but where the model was probably more loosedly applied.WillG said:
Canada had not done perfectly but they also do very well. Up until Trudeau, almost all of their immigration was of graduates or other skilled trades. And the provinces have lots of power to determine immigration levels, so they are responsive to integration or lack thereof on the ground.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Norwegians have an excellent record on integration. They have strict rules on immigrants learning the language and taking exams in culture and history of Norway. When I worked there, settlement rights (not even citizenship) required 200 hours of compulsory classes. They work very, very hard to prevent enclaves forming and are extremely successful at it.WillG said:
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.0 -
"Up until Trudeau, almost all of their immigration was of graduates or other skilled trades."WillG said:
Canada had not done perfectly but they also do very well. Up until Trudeau, almost all of their immigration was of graduates or other skilled trades. And the provinces have lots of power to determine immigration levels, so they are responsive to integration or lack thereof on the ground.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Norwegians have an excellent record on integration. They have strict rules on immigrants learning the language and taking exams in culture and history of Norway. When I worked there, settlement rights (not even citizenship) required 200 hours of compulsory classes. They work very, very hard to prevent enclaves forming and are extremely successful at it.WillG said:
Yes, this is the sensible middle way. What unites us is more important than what divides us. We have to reject the hard right view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate countries and the hard left view that different ethnic groups should live separate lives in separate communities.Malmesbury said:
One thing that 1st generation immigrants in my own family have commented on, is that they have felt the "Keep your own culture" thing as coming across as "Brits only can be Brits".WillG said:
I sometimes wonder whether we need to do what the US does with quotas for different nationalities for some visas, to ensure integration happens. The theory is that if people all come from different backgrounds they are more likely to intermix into the host culture.Cookie said:
Out of curiousity, I've just googled this individual - he now works as a communications officer for TfL dealing with air quality.Cookie said:
*rubbing the right's nose in diversity* - I think they'll be very pleased with the outcome.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
A really smart way to do it would be to base it on levels of integration, from statistics on concentration of where people live or levels of mixed marriage. If you are from a group like Thais or Poles that have become part of the melting pot, we can sustain more immigration. If you are from a group that forms its own enclaves and only marries their own, we might need a cooling off period before more come.
They came here to become British. Not to be an ethnic enclave.
Integration, integration, integration. You could win a general election on that sort of message, if done tactfully.
NOT true, methinks, whether you mean Pierre OR Justin.
Esp. IF you mean the ENTIRE history of immigration to Canada since Confederation?
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What does he make of Trump-lite DeSantis ?Peter_the_Punter said:
One very small straw in the wind is that my sole Trumpite friend, an ex-pat from Enfield now living in Florida, now refers to him as 'an idiot'. He thinks he shouldn't run but is 'idiotic enough to do it.' This from a guy who said the day Trump won the White House was the happiest of his life.Nigelb said:
Been doing that for a while.FrankBooth said:I'm no expert on American law but wonder if people should be laying Trump now?
He’s a proud scofflaw, but it’s been increasingly evident that there might finally be sufficient evidence of numerous illegalities for the law to have its way with him.
He hates Biden of course but nevertheless if Trump is losing the likes of him, he's finished.0 -
Would be fantastic news for AberdeenCarnyx said:
Thanks, that's interesting.Richard_Tyndall said:
A former colleague of mine is working for CeraPhi Energy who are looking at repurposing existing oil and gas wells, once they are depleted, as geothermal wells. Basically, you pull the Oil and Gas completion string and rerun a geothermal completion. It is an extremely costs effective way of making use of all those thousands of oil and gas wells that have reached the end of their lives rather than just pumping them full of cement which is what currently happens.Carnyx said:
Mm, thanks, now that is interesting (but unsurprising). Wonder if the PB frackers will believe him?CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
Edit: He's co-written an op-ed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/liz-truss-fracking-britain-economic-political-low-carbon-cuadrilla
With an interesting sting in the tail:
"In addition to the gesture at shale gas, we believe that two other readily available sources of net zero energy ought to be pursued.
One is the vast amount of warm, non-potable brine underneath large parts of the country – an energy source we have been evaluating for potential future ventures. [...]
And then there is Britain’s tidal range, second highest in the world."2 -
Oh have minor counties west had a one good session of the season to wake you up? 🥹ydoethur said:
You might want to remind Surrey of this, of course...MoonRabbit said:
Too true. Yorkshire is just… better.ydoethur said:
'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...
And we know it 👍🏻0 -
Perhaps he's just all Ron.Nigelb said:
What does he make of Trump-lite DeSantis ?Peter_the_Punter said:
One very small straw in the wind is that my sole Trumpite friend, an ex-pat from Enfield now living in Florida, now refers to him as 'an idiot'. He thinks he shouldn't run but is 'idiotic enough to do it.' This from a guy who said the day Trump won the White House was the happiest of his life.Nigelb said:
Been doing that for a while.FrankBooth said:I'm no expert on American law but wonder if people should be laying Trump now?
He’s a proud scofflaw, but it’s been increasingly evident that there might finally be sufficient evidence of numerous illegalities for the law to have its way with him.
He hates Biden of course but nevertheless if Trump is losing the likes of him, he's finished.0 -
A Ron DeSantis fan, by any chance?Peter_the_Punter said:
One very small straw in the wind is that my sole Trumpite friend, an ex-pat from Enfield now living in Florida, now refers to him as 'an idiot'. He thinks he shouldn't run but is 'idiotic enough to do it.' This from a guy who said the day Trump won the White House was the happiest of his life.Nigelb said:
Been doing that for a while.FrankBooth said:I'm no expert on American law but wonder if people should be laying Trump now?
He’s a proud scofflaw, but it’s been increasingly evident that there might finally be sufficient evidence of numerous illegalities for the law to have its way with him.
He hates Biden of course but nevertheless if Trump is losing the likes of him, he's finished.0 -
This looks interesting.
https://twitter.com/billythalheimer/status/1572556301762449410
I’m excited to announce that REGENT has taken flight! 🛫
We combined the benefits from ground effect flight, distributed electric propulsion, and hydrofoiling into a single platform: the seaglider
Which will massively improve convenience & affordability of regional travel1 -
NB. The Predator movie (“Prey”) had a female lead. Woke as you like on that front.Leon said:
The movement in publishing is seismic. Young men are hoovering up heroic macho stuff, fiction and non fiction, and the less Woke the better - this is what I am toldPhil said:
The latest Predator movie could be viewed as filling this need. Was something of a breakout hit IIRC.Leon said:
It also means that a non-Woke Bond will simply replace the actual Bond, finishing off Bond. So stupidFishing said:
... and audiences down 80% I imagine. If people wanted sensitive, woke characters, they'd probably watch romcoms. Bond is supposed to be a licensed thug and killer.HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
People want unbridled masculinity, violence, with lots of bedded hot women. That's the point
Interestingly, younger friends of mine are reporting this from the field. In publishing, Hollywood, the arts, amongst really young people - especially men - there is suddenly a hunger for non-Woke ultra-macho movies, books, memoirs, magazines, video games. and so on
There is a killing to be made if you've got the cullions
You could argue the success of the new Top Gun rematch (Maverick) was part of this. I watched it the other night and thought it was mediocre at best. Embarrassing at worst. But it did ONE POINT FIVE BILLION Box Office. For a not very good movie
Because it had fights and patriotism and motorbikes and jet planes shooting bad Iranians and shit
The audience loved it: Make of that what you will.0 -
Hey, you're the ones who had to follow on, not us.MoonRabbit said:
Oh have minor counties west had a one good session of the season to wake you up? 🥹ydoethur said:
You might want to remind Surrey of this, of course...MoonRabbit said:
Too true. Yorkshire is just… better.ydoethur said:
'Sectarian' doesn't have to mean 'religious.'Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Being a Yorkshireman is a religion? Coo.ydoethur said:
Northerners vs Southerners, in his case.Carnyx said:
Sectarian? Did they sing the Billy Boys or something? Or is it to do with the Lollards?ydoethur said:
Why? Sectarian violence was the sort of thing he revelled in.state_go_away said:
Richard 111 will be turning in his graveSandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Although, TBF, @MoonRabbit seems to have nearly elevated it to this...
And we know it 👍🏻
And we're playing the county champions, you're playing a side we thrashed in the opening game last year.0 -
Notd sure if that is realistic for offshore? Sudden thought.Cicero said:
Would be fantastic news for AberdeenCarnyx said:
Thanks, that's interesting.Richard_Tyndall said:
A former colleague of mine is working for CeraPhi Energy who are looking at repurposing existing oil and gas wells, once they are depleted, as geothermal wells. Basically, you pull the Oil and Gas completion string and rerun a geothermal completion. It is an extremely costs effective way of making use of all those thousands of oil and gas wells that have reached the end of their lives rather than just pumping them full of cement which is what currently happens.Carnyx said:
Mm, thanks, now that is interesting (but unsurprising). Wonder if the PB frackers will believe him?CarlottaVance said:Fracking in the UK will be impossible at any meaningful scale and will not help with the energy price crisis, the founder of the UK’s first fracking company has warned.
Chris Cornelius, the geologist who founded Cuadrilla Resources, which drilled the UK’s first modern hydraulic fracturing wells in Lancashire, told the Guardian that he believed the government’s support for it is merely a “political gesture”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla?CMP=share_btn_tw
Edit: He's co-written an op-ed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/liz-truss-fracking-britain-economic-political-low-carbon-cuadrilla
With an interesting sting in the tail:
"In addition to the gesture at shale gas, we believe that two other readily available sources of net zero energy ought to be pursued.
One is the vast amount of warm, non-potable brine underneath large parts of the country – an energy source we have been evaluating for potential future ventures. [...]
And then there is Britain’s tidal range, second highest in the world."0 -
I treated "No" as the first sentence...SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Since I only posted TWO sentences, am even more confused than per usual!Driver said:
The second sentence implies "yes", doesn't it?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No. It's more a matter of what can be proven.Driver said:
A civil lawsuit? So they don't think they can prove any crimes were committed?CarlottaVance said:Breaking: New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a civil fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and others, according to court records.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1572608786061213702
And filing state civil suite now, does NOT preclude state (or federal) criminal charges in future.
As for the third, how can there possibly be a fair criminal trial after a civil lawsuit?
State and federal criminal charges versus Trump are a definite possibility.
As for YOUR final sentence above, reckon you are wrong about that. But then maybe you'd prefer to take the opinion of one of the great legal minds "advising" the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo?1 -
Alien, decades ago ... even the monster was woke. Actually, especially the monster was woke. Good mummy and all that.Phil said:
NB. The Predator movie (“Prey”) had a female lead. Woke as you like on that front.Leon said:
The movement in publishing is seismic. Young men are hoovering up heroic macho stuff, fiction and non fiction, and the less Woke the better - this is what I am toldPhil said:
The latest Predator movie could be viewed as filling this need. Was something of a breakout hit IIRC.Leon said:
It also means that a non-Woke Bond will simply replace the actual Bond, finishing off Bond. So stupidFishing said:
... and audiences down 80% I imagine. If people wanted sensitive, woke characters, they'd probably watch romcoms. Bond is supposed to be a licensed thug and killer.HYUFD said:@Telegraph
5m
"The next James Bond films will have bigger roles for women and a more sensitive 007, according to the producers, who said “Bond is evolving just as men are evolving”
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1572611839485251587?s=20&t=DBkpcYPhQqr3TJDm9GeP9Q
People want unbridled masculinity, violence, with lots of bedded hot women. That's the point
Interestingly, younger friends of mine are reporting this from the field. In publishing, Hollywood, the arts, amongst really young people - especially men - there is suddenly a hunger for non-Woke ultra-macho movies, books, memoirs, magazines, video games. and so on
There is a killing to be made if you've got the cullions
You could argue the success of the new Top Gun rematch (Maverick) was part of this. I watched it the other night and thought it was mediocre at best. Embarrassing at worst. But it did ONE POINT FIVE BILLION Box Office. For a not very good movie
Because it had fights and patriotism and motorbikes and jet planes shooting bad Iranians and shit
The audience loved it: Make of that what you will.1 -
The older generation do have influence, there's a theory this is a bit like the football violence we've seen post lockdownSandpit said:
Ah okay, that match was around the corner from me a couple of weeks ago.TheScreamingEagles said:
Started off with bantz following the India/Pakistan cricket match, then escalated, depending on who you ask, started with the Muslims or the Hindus.Sandpit said:
Does anyone know what’s actually going on in Leicester?HYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
Fake social media news has amplified it, it is mostly young people involved whilst the the elder generation are despairing.
Can’t the elder generation use their influence to calm things down a little, or does it not work like that any more?0 -
I'm really not sure Germany is doing that wellWhisperingOracle said:
Have they ? Germany for instance rocket-boosted its economic growth and is integrating a huge number of people better than France, or more recently the US, arguably.WillG said:
The conclusion from this line of argument would be "all have made a collective mistake".WhisperingOracle said:
Have a look at France, Sweden, Spain and Italy for a comparison. Britain has done remarkably well. Germany is really the only country that is catching is up, with the Netherlands not doing too badly more recently, either.WillG said:
If the most successful examples entail sectarian riots, I am not sure that is the killer example argument you think it is.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, I think we've contributing to making Britain a more successful multiracial country than nearly any other in Europe. Good for us, we've done well.Leon said:
Congratulations to everyone on the British Left from 1960-2020. Good workHYUFD said:
So looks like we will be having a mini India Pakistan conflict in our biggest Midlands cities and maybe even beyond over the next few daysAndy_JS said:"Leicester Muslim-Hindu clashes spread to Smethwick as masked mob descend on temple
Video shows up to 200 masked and hooded men gathered outside a Hindu temple near Birmingham, shouting 'Allahu akbar'" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/leicester-muslim-hindu-clashes-spread-smethwick/
However, I am not going to fall for the suggestion that this is just part of being a multiracial society. In reality there are lots of immigrants who integrate and have civilized standards of conduct. We should only be keeping out the ones with hardline religious/cultural views that condone violence or try to institute honour culture.0 -
Where the British model works best is in figures like Charles representing religious tolerance and pluralism. A number of even more successful European countries have had problems trying to enforce a sort of quite hardline official secularism rather than accepting or encouraging more liberal forms of religion, with France being the worst example.1
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This Government hasn't got to where it is today by actually making decisions...rcs1000 said:
Yes.eek said:
But that will require people to put more money into their pensions because we need the current tax revenue to pay for the current pensioners...rcs1000 said:
Fwiw, I completely agree with your proposal to remove the triple lock. The problem is that even then, pensions will rise as a percentage of GDP as earnings and GDP growth are likely to be basically identical, while the number of retirees rises.BartholomewRoberts said:
And if you suggest potentially handling the pensions and healthcare issue differently, as I did earlier, then people will accuse you of wanting to kill old people.rcs1000 said:
Spending in most government departments has been in real terms decline for some time: the problem is that pensions and healthcare are basically locked in to rise dramatically in the next decade.Sandpit said:
There need to be a zero-based spending review, it’s long overdue.eek said:
If you want lower taxes you should be cutting Government spending.BartholomewRoberts said:
Tory MPs didn't vote for Sunak's vision, about a third did but they lost the election and aren't in the Cabinet. 👍bondegezou said:
It did… and Tory MPs made clear their preference when voting for… oh, well for Sunak’s vision actually.BartholomewRoberts said:
Chooses to keep the whip? Yes, they could cross the floor if they wanted to vote against the budget, but that's a bit extreme. The leadership campaign gave people a chance to choose between those two visions.bondegezou said:
Again you confuse “has” with “chooses”.BartholomewRoberts said:
Every member of a party, even backbenchers, have to vote to follow their own government's budget, that's not new.bondegezou said:
Had to follow collective responsibility? You mean chose to follow collective responsibility.BartholomewRoberts said:
Truss was reported at the time to have opposed the decision but had to follow collective responsibility.bondegezou said:
Was Liz Truss not in the same Cabinet as Sunak? Was Jacob Rees-Mogg not? Suella Braverman? Ben Wallace? Alok Sharma?BartholomewRoberts said:
That seems to have been done. 👍bondegezou said:
Then let’s get rid of every MP who supported Sunakism… or at least the Cabinet members who did.MISTY said:
Let's look at what we know, and what we know is that Sunakism is failing. That isn't conjecture any more, it is fact. Look at the PSBR numbers now, before higher interest rates and higher corporation taxes hit home. The UK under Sunak was manifestly heading for a depression. A depression that would have blown his 'balanced budget' fantasy even more off course than it is now.bondegezou said:
I agree that saying you’re balancing the budget and actually doing so are two different things. The Truss government isn’t even saying they’re balancing the budget!BartholomewRoberts said:
Saying you're balancing the budget and actually doing so are two completely different things. How does cutting Income Tax by 4p while increasing National Insurance, thus completely distorting taxation away from unearned incomes and towards earned ones, do anything whatsoever to balance the budget.bondegezou said:
Sunak was seeking to balance the budget. Truss, like Kansas, is relying on future growth to pay for hers. That’s where the similarity is.BartholomewRoberts said:
Not that novel, its actually explicitly mentioned in your own link.bondegezou said:
While I’m here, here’s a nice FT article: https://www.ft.com/content/a9be9db6-a91e-48e4-8d69-4bbfff7e0f5fBartholomewRoberts said:
The Kansas experiment was deeply, deeply flawed and not remotely comparable to the UK whatsoever. The UK is reversing tax rates back to what they were a few months ago, from a record high base in the past 74 years.bondegezou said:
I’m trying to work out some funny way to pun Truss and Kansas. Kantruss? Hmmm… not funny enough… The point being that this fantasy that you can cut taxes and everything will work out has been tried, and it doesn’t work. The classic, and very tragic, example of this is known as the Kansas Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experimentBartholomewRoberts said:
Well said, the idea you can tax your way to growth has never been true and never will be true. Brownism failed under Brown, and its failed under Sunak too.MISTY said:
Looking at the economic numbers, I have no idea why any tory still thinks Sunak would have been a better option than Truss, as you manifestly do.HYUFD said:
Most likely the result will be 2010 in reverse, a hung parliament but Starmer like Cameron wins most seatskle4 said:
This is about where I am. Labour winning outright from so far back should be very hard, but 2019 was unusual and there are a lot of time and stored up problems for the Tories. I think itll be close - if the Truss gambles pay off its a 1992 result.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, Starmer isn't that.
But the Conservatives are facing numerous significant problems.
1) They've been in for a long time, so time for a change becomes a powerful mantra.
2) Cost of living is a problem for many people.
3) The former clownish PM's antics lost the party a lot of support which has not returned.
Against that, they do have incumbency and the boundary changes should help, but I'd not be surprised if we see a lot of changes next time.
With Truss we might get some growth with a ballooning deficit. With Sunak we would get a depression with a ballooning deficit, followed by huge public spending cuts or going to the IMF. As shown by recent borrowing numbers.
The simple reality is that the Government taxes us every which way it can, so any money taken out of circulation due to higher taxes must immediately lower tax receipts in other taxes, because its no longer being spent and taxed in other ways.
But those advocating tax rises never factor this in at all. Which is why tax rises never raise as much as their adherents expect, and why tax cuts don't cost as much as their critics claim either, as any extra money circulating in the economy due to tax cuts then gets itself taxed as it circulates minimising the cost of the tax cut.
As opposed to Kansas where tax loopholes were introduced allowed many people to cut their tax rate to literally zero. Zero percent tax rate is not something I'm advocating or anyone sane is. Oh and the Kansas bill also increased many other people's tax rates, it didn't reduce it, so increasing their tax rates would of course harm the economy while eliminating tax from others does nothing to raise revenues.
You say the UK is reversing tax rates back to what they were a few months ago. Are the stamp duty changes taking us back to where we were a few months ago? Indeed, I think there had already been 7 cuts in stamp duty since 2008.
The idea that the Kansas Experiment failed because it increased people’s taxes is a novel one.
Direct benefits for the affluent
The act received criticism for shifting the tax burden from wealthy Kansans to low- and moderate-income workers.[81][40]
According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the bill cut the taxes of "the wealthiest 1% of Kansans by 2.2%," while it projected that the poorest 20% of Kansans would see "their taxes increase by 1.3%".[82]
Bryan Lowry of The Wichita Eagle estimated that almost 70% of Kansas lawmakers, as well as Governor Brownback and his wife, benefited personally from the tax cuts through business or property that they owned, which being non-wage income, was exempt from taxes under the 2012 law.[83]
I 100% wholeheartedly recognise that raising taxes on working income and eliminating taxes on non-earned incomes is a terrible, terrible idea. What tax is it in the UK that is most similar to the Kansas experiment, whereby those working see their taxes go up, while those not working see their taxes go down? Oh yes, its National Insurance, isn't it.
Sunak's plans of slashing Income Tax by 4p while raising National Insurance to pay for it is what was more like the Kansas Experiment, not Truss reversing tax rises on earnt incomes.
There are times when it’s appropriate to cut taxes, and times when it’s appropriate to borrow money. What’s particularly dangerous, however, is pretending that you can cut taxes because you’re sure future growth will be along any day now to fill the Treasury’s coffers.
Yes there are times when its appropriate to borrow money. During a supply shock recession is one of them, which is right now.
Do you think it is sensible to rely on future growth projections?
Where would he have gone after the financial meltdown he was creating became undeniable? massive public spending cuts would have been his only option.
The people in Number's 10 and 11 when Sunak started putting up the tax rises are now backbenchers and the Tories just had a bitter campaign fought on whether to continue with Sunakism or reverse his tax rises and go back to the rates before. As far as I can tell, practically everyone who endorsed Sunakism is now out of the Cabinet and quite right too.
Good riddance.
The leadership campaign gave the opportunity to choose between the two models, and Truss unabashedly stood for reversing those tax rises. Good for her, and good for everyone who endorsed her, and good riddance to everyone who endorsed Sunak instead.
I believe every member of the current Cabinet voted for Sunak’s last budget.
But the leadership campaign gave people a free and unwhipped choice and they made their choices then.
Tory MPs keep getting things wrong. You and MISTY are saying they sometimes get things wrong; I’m saying they nearly always get it wrong. I don’t think we’re too far apart here! My solution is that, at the next available democratic opportunity, we get rid of them.
If alternative candidates come with a better, lower tax vision then I of course could be tempted to vote for them.
Where would you like to begin cutting it - as the big items can't be touched.
We need to take a longer term approach of essentially copying the Australian system of compulsory pension savings, so as to avoid the government being on the hook for so many people's retirement.
And that will be painful.
But we have created a problem and we need to solve it. Deferring it merely makes it worse.1 -
Plaid down to 0% no doubt because @HYUFD will vote reform as his comments since Johnson make him a de facto memberwilliamglenn said:
Reform UK above the Lib Dems looks quite significant.TheScreamingEagles said:
Even Gordon Brown and the pound shop Gordon Brown led in the polls when they became.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
This is quite striking.
Our latest Red Wall poll finds Labour leading the Conservatives by 15%, two points less than in our previous poll two weeks ago. Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 4 September) are as follows:
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 34% (+3)
Reform UK 7% (–)
Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (–)
Plaid Cymru 0% (-1)0 -
Am afraid to ask him. I know he regards Steve Bannon as dangerously liberal.Sandpit said:
A Ron DeSantis fan, by any chance?Peter_the_Punter said:
One very small straw in the wind is that my sole Trumpite friend, an ex-pat from Enfield now living in Florida, now refers to him as 'an idiot'. He thinks he shouldn't run but is 'idiotic enough to do it.' This from a guy who said the day Trump won the White House was the happiest of his life.Nigelb said:
Been doing that for a while.FrankBooth said:I'm no expert on American law but wonder if people should be laying Trump now?
He’s a proud scofflaw, but it’s been increasingly evident that there might finally be sufficient evidence of numerous illegalities for the law to have its way with him.
He hates Biden of course but nevertheless if Trump is losing the likes of him, he's finished.3 -
Yes, it means the LDs are getting their votes where they need them, not in the Red Wall.williamglenn said:
Reform UK above the Lib Dems looks quite significant.TheScreamingEagles said:
Even Gordon Brown and the pound shop Gordon Brown led in the polls when they became.CarlottaVance said:Truss leads Starmer by 7% in the Red Wall.
At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (19-20 September)
Liz Truss 40% (+8)
Keir Starmer 33% (-6)
Don't Know 27% (-2)
Changes +/- 4 September
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-18-19-september-2022
This is quite striking.
Our latest Red Wall poll finds Labour leading the Conservatives by 15%, two points less than in our previous poll two weeks ago. Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 4 September) are as follows:
Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 34% (+3)
Reform UK 7% (–)
Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (–)
Plaid Cymru 0% (-1)
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Ha, a modern take on the Soviet cold-war era Ekranoplan. Basically it flies in the ground effect over water.Nigelb said:This looks interesting.
https://twitter.com/billythalheimer/status/1572556301762449410
I’m excited to announce that REGENT has taken flight! 🛫
We combined the benefits from ground effect flight, distributed electric propulsion, and hydrofoiling into a single platform: the seaglider
Which will massively improve convenience & affordability of regional travel1
