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He drank a bottle of virus before the programme.AveryLP said:Is Charlie suffering from a virus?
Is Chris Bryant wearing his favourite underpants?0 -
Chris always has the air of being St Tony's long lost baby brother!TheWatcher said:
He drank a bottle of virus before the programme.AveryLP said:Is Charlie suffering from a virus?
Is Chris Bryant wearing his favourite underpants?0 -
Today we've seen Brown Shirt like street violence brought to beautiful Edinburgh. I urge you and your leader to condemn it before things get out of hand.Theuniondivvie said:
I know it's impossible to take Ulster out of the boy, but you really will have to stop equating the kneecappings, maimings, murders and grave desecrations that have occurred in the place you come from with a few students calling a politician a bawbag in the place I come from. You seem almost disapponted that there hasn't been an authentic outrage.Alanbrooke said:
You recommended it to me divvie, and it's not what you see it's what the other see. Bizarrely for the first time ever one of my other scottish favourites George Laird seemed the only sensible one of the bunch.
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Might be for the best. Let's be honest they've not been any good and aren't going to achieve anything of note in the next couple of years.tim said:Some stories around tonight about an early break up of the coalition.
And we all know Labour are going to get in, so we may as well try and get the untold misery that they'll cause out the way as soon as possible.0 -
If his party gets even more unruly, Cameron may well snap and consider that fair punishment on the whole bunch of them, so best to lose it now rather than 2015 to save time.tim said:Scrapheap_as_was said:tim said:Some stories around tonight about an early break up of the coalition.
CAMERON HASN'T GOT THE BALLS AND UKIP ARE TAKING THE TORY PENSIONER VOTE.
Thank you.
Don't tell OGH!!!
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 9m
I've just put a bet on at Ladbrokes on 2013 general election at 16/1. Hard to see how the CON & LDs can divorce without early election.
If David Cameron wants an election when the Tories only have a 3% lead over Labour among pensioners then bring it on.
PM Ed Miliband.
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Whenever I think about changing my mind about despising the human race I watch 5 minutes of the QT audience.
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@Sunil
I am gutted San Marino didn't qualify.
And yes, Romania was that bad...
take a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJ_r5Pt8lI0 -
It was only 3% yesterday, tim, and going down.tim said:Scrapheap_as_was said:tim said:Some stories around tonight about an early break up of the coalition.
CAMERON HASN'T GOT THE BALLS AND UKIP ARE TAKING THE TORY PENSIONER VOTE.
Thank you.
Don't tell OGH!!!
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 9m
I've just put a bet on at Ladbrokes on 2013 general election at 16/1. Hard to see how the CON & LDs can divorce without early election.
If David Cameron wants an election when the Tories only have a 3% lead over Labour among pensioners then bring it on.
PM Ed Miliband.
I have just popped into PB to check whether we have reached cross-over yet.
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Proper cuts in public spending at last.CopperSulphate said:
And we all know Labour are going to get in, so we may as well try and get the untold misery that they'll cause out the way as soon as possible.tim said:Some stories around tonight about an early break up of the coalition.
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Dr. Spyn, funny enough, Conan Doyle, writing c.1900 was extremely explicit about medieval warfare, including knights being roasted in armour.
Nick P, history/fantasy writers have to careful not to become apologists for rape/torture/murder.
Charles, Anglicans are definitely Protestants. England's entire history, post 1560, is predicated on being a Protestant State.0 -
Question Time is like doing a jigsaw. A pointless way to pass the time until you die.TGOHF said:Whenever I think about changing my mind about despising the human race I watch 5 minutes of the QT audience.
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YouGov polling in the Times
David Cameron’s shift on Europe this week could backfire because voters believe he is acting through calculation rather than core belief, according to a poll. Only 17 per cent of voters think the Prime Minister feels strongly about his European strategy while 64 per cent think he is motivated by tactics.
Even Tory voters believe that, on the question of Europe, tactical considerations outweigh Mr Cameron’s convictions by a 45-44 split
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....The poll for The Times shows that only Nigel Farage, the UKIP leader, is credited by voters, by 55-22, with acting on Europe through strong belief rather than calculation. A similar majority, 52-20, think Ed Miliband puts calculation ahead of conviction on Europe.0 -
NO make it stop! OK, you are right about Romania! But I will still stay up late on Saturday to watch the final! I have watched every final over the previous twenty-plus years! The scoring at the end is the most entertaining section, of course!AndreaParma_82 said:@Sunil
I am gutted San Marino didn't qualify.
And yes, Romania was that bad...
take a look
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I'm back from watching This House.
I really did enjoy it, i'd recommend all PBers make the effort to go see it.
The bad language was shocking though.0 -
Nope, don't generalise about lefties, we vary - see my comment on the last thread.MikeK said:
I suppose that had real harm been done to Farage, the lefty response would have been: well he had it coming.
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Yes indeed - a bit of deliberate values dissonance even from the 'good' guys can be hugely useful in establishing atmosphere and tone in a real or imagined world, but be too blunt or extreme, seeming to revel in it, and it becomes a bit too unpleasant.Sean_F said:
Nick P, history/fantasy writers have to careful not to become apologists for rape/torture/murder.
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I have a hard time caring about protagonists of some series' when they aim so hard for 'gritty, uncompromising realism/brutality' that they forget to make them have any redeeming qualities whatsoever, and all sides are indistinguishably unappealing, if for different reasons*
*any analagous reading of that sentence to our modern political party discourse is purely in the mind of the reader, honest.
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How good will it be if it's Labour who have to make the cuts in the end? All that endless flabby talk from Balls about too far too fast and then it's him who has to wield the axe.TheWatcher said:Proper cuts in public spending at last.
Of course it will be spun as good honest prudent cuts as opposed to evil rich Tory toff cuts, which will be lapped up by all and sundry.0 -
Evening all.
Looks like I might need to revise my opinion. It turns out these Nats aren't quite as stupid as they seemed to be when they fluffed trivially-obvious questions on the EU, currency and NATO.
Giving Nigel Farage superb free publicity like they did today is a masterstroke. I mean, it would be a bit obvious if they made a direct contribution to UKIP's campaign fund, but this was much more effective. And cheaper.
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Are you referring to your fabricated Tweet earlier?tim said:
Doubtful, Dave wanted to become PM so he could tweet about David Beckham, not for political reasons.kle4 said:
If his party gets even more unruly, Cameron may well snap and consider that fair punishment on the whole bunch of them, so best to lose it now rather than 2015 to save time.tim said:Scrapheap_as_was said:tim said:Some stories around tonight about an early break up of the coalition.
CAMERON HASN'T GOT THE BALLS AND UKIP ARE TAKING THE TORY PENSIONER VOTE.
Thank you.
Don't tell OGH!!!
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 9m
I've just put a bet on at Ladbrokes on 2013 general election at 16/1. Hard to see how the CON & LDs can divorce without early election.
If David Cameron wants an election when the Tories only have a 3% lead over Labour among pensioners then bring it on.
PM Ed Miliband.
He wont trade an extra year of charity wristbands for a principle.
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I doubt any self-respecting " leftie " would identify with a Blairite careerist like you.NickPalmer said:
Nope, don't generalise about lefties, we vary - see my comment on the last thread.MikeK said:
I suppose that had real harm been done to Farage, the lefty response would have been: well he had it coming.
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It seems Labour won Melcombe Regis by 21 votes over Con
Pearson (Labour) 279; Manvell (Con) 258; Williamson (Ind) 204; Taylor (LibDem) 170; Orrell (Green) 143.
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There is a very noble tradition of giving Nazi thug politicians (however they dress themselves up) a good kicking. Mosely is one Griffin is another and there have been plenty of others. I'm glad that the Scots are continuing the tradition and rather disappointed that the English have decided to take the ghastly Farage to their bosom.
But it's not the first time they've celebrated someone who echoes their dark sides and it won't be the last. I just hope this finally mobilizes decent English public opinion and people start calling a spade a spade-1 -
I am now sweating on Joe Root being the first player to score 1000 runs before the end of May since Graham Hick in 1988. 25 not out so far in the Test but will he have enough matches left? 671 so far with a possible 4 or 5 innings to go. It appears that his brother is 12th man for the test - has that ever happened before? The Holyoake brothers?0
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Kippers regard it as the icing on the fruitcake, Richard.RichardNabavi said:Evening all.
Giving Nigel Farage superb free publicity like they did today is a masterstroke.
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Pretty sure Anglicanism is Protestantism, sort of, technically, it's just sometimes bits of it is called Anglo-Catholicism, and because elements of it, often dominant, is about as Catholic seeming as you can get while not being technically Catholic.
The Three Kingdoms Wars had a major factor in it being because High Church Anglicanism that was rising in influence was seen by many as a bit too Catholic seeming.
Protestantism has a wide spectrum, and it has to be said some bits have more in common with Catholicism than each other. Anglicanism is clearly one of them. It's weird and complicated.0 -
"Kippers regard it as the icing on the fruitcake, Richard."
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Surely you find the idea Cameron's flailing was the result of logical calculation, however faulty, to be even more absurd?tim said:David Cameron’s shift on Europe this week could backfire because voters believe he is acting through calculation rather than core belief
David Cameron and core belief in a sentence, how did that happen?
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Where have these rumours about the coalition going pop come from?
The Liberals should just cut and run now - might get a tactical vote dividend.0 -
But they also think of themselves as Catholics - don't you remember the creed ;-)Sean_F said:Dr. Spyn, funny enough, Conan Doyle, writing c.1900 was extremely explicit about medieval warfare, including knights being roasted in armour.
Nick P, history/fantasy writers have to careful not to become apologists for rape/torture/murder.
Charles, Anglicans are definitely Protestants. England's entire history, post 1560, is predicated on being a Protestant State.
'we believe in on holy catholic and apostolic church' (nb: this is the episcopalian version of the Nicene creed sans filioque because I was too lazy to look for a proper version)0 -
As I've been out for most of this afternoon and evening, and I has a slow internet connection, am I right in thinking, Nigel Farage was mobbed in Scotland because he's and his policies are so popular in Scotland?
Is he for Scotland leaving the Union or staying in it?
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They will,mainly from labour.Bobajob said:Where have these rumours about the coalition going pop come from?
The Liberals should just cut and run now - might get a tactical vote dividend.
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Paywall
Senior Tories have begun to plan for the early break-up of the coalition amid fears that Nick Clegg will be unable to keep his party in government until 2015.
Some of David Cameron’s senior aides are talking through a range of scenarios, including the Lib Dems quitting up to a year before polling day.
One such contingency envisages Vince Cable taking over from Mr Clegg and using the opposition benches to reposition the Lib Dems as equidistant between the Tories and Labour.
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I think a lot of people had bets on it falling apart in 2013 (I would have gone for 2014 if it would not last the distance), and have been predicting that for 3 years, so with now both parties looking terrible, it seems a logical time to resurrect those predictions.Bobajob said:Where have these rumours about the coalition going pop come from?
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Indeed. I can't remember too many lefties cock-a-hoop over Brown's "British jobs for British workers" and some might remember the right to protest was 'rigorously observed' during Iraq by the Blair 'lefties'. As a certain Mr Wolfgang will testify after he was booted out of the labour conference for daring to heckle that nice Mr Straw.NickPalmer said:Nope, don't generalise about lefties, we vary - see my comment on the last thread.
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Heir to Blair? Tone is an arch-Europhile...TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov polling in the Times
David Cameron’s shift on Europe this week could backfire because voters believe he is acting through calculation rather than core belief, according to a poll. Only 17 per cent of voters think the Prime Minister feels strongly about his European strategy while 64 per cent think he is motivated by tactics.
Even Tory voters believe that, on the question of Europe, tactical considerations outweigh Mr Cameron’s convictions by a 45-44 split
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....The poll for The Times shows that only Nigel Farage, the UKIP leader, is credited by voters, by 55-22, with acting on Europe through strong belief rather than calculation. A similar majority, 52-20, think Ed Miliband puts calculation ahead of conviction on Europe.0 -
One source said that Mr Cameron had not himself taken part in any of the scenario planning, allowing the Prime Minister deniability and to exude confidence about the state of relations.0
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Silly man - everyone knows that no-one who is not Scottish is allowed to have an opinion on the matter anyway, as we cannot understand it.TheScreamingEagles said:As I've been out for most of this afternoon and evening, and I has a slow internet connection, am I right in thinking, Nigel Farage was mobbed in Scotland because he's and his policies are so popular in Scotland?
Is he for Scotland leaving the Union or staying in it?
Will his endorsement swing it for either side?
Farage should do as I do, and stay out of it until it's time to express sadness at our Scottish friends breaking up with us.
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I call you on Godwin's law Roger. Not surprising since you seem to be incapable of articulating any original thought in your postings.Roger said:There is a very noble tradition of giving Nazi thug politicians (however they dress themselves up) a good kicking. Mosely is one Griffin is another and there have been plenty of others. I'm glad that the Scots are continuing the tradition and rather disappointed that the English have decided to take the ghastly Farage to their bosom.
But it's not the first time they've celebrated someone who echoes their dark sides and it won't be the last. I just hope this finally mobilizes decent English public opinion and people start calling a spade a spade0 -
Brother of Bognor and sister of Lyme, tim.tim said:Rachel Rogers @DorsetRachel 16m
4 Melcombe Regis by-election result: PEARSON (Labour) 279; Manvell (Con) 258; Williamson (Ind) 204; Taylor (LibDem) 170; Orrell (Green) 143.
Melcombe Regis has to be an old Etonian Number Ten advisor doesn't he?
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Senior Tories have begun to plan for the early break-up of the coalition amid fears that Nick Clegg will be unable to keep his party in government until 2015.
If they fear it so much they should stop their party from doing everything it can to force it to happen.0 -
Yes, and that's all they need to keep their seats up. If they convert Labour votes where Labour cannot win they are laughing.Tykejohnno said:
They will,mainly from labour.Bobajob said:Where have these rumours about the coalition going pop come from?
The Liberals should just cut and run now - might get a tactical vote dividend.
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At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the Tunneling Electron Microscope.Richard_Tyndall said:
I call you on Godwin's law Roger. Not surprising since you seem to be incapable of articulating any original thought in your postings.Roger said:There is a very noble tradition of giving Nazi thug politicians (however they dress themselves up) a good kicking. Mosely is one Griffin is another and there have been plenty of others. I'm glad that the Scots are continuing the tradition and rather disappointed that the English have decided to take the ghastly Farage to their bosom.
But it's not the first time they've celebrated someone who echoes their dark sides and it won't be the last. I just hope this finally mobilizes decent English public opinion and people start calling a spade a spade
Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe.
If I were using that microscope right now on Roger, I still wouldn't be able to find an original thought in his head.0 -
Huh, I missed this one from earlier
Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said the Conservatives "don't need to panic about UKIP" and should try to avoid "internal strife" on Europe.
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Only on PB would I discover that Protestants are in fact Catholics!kle4 said:Pretty sure Anglicanism is Protestantism, sort of, technically, it's just sometimes bits of it is called Anglo-Catholicism, and because elements of it, often dominant, is about as Catholic seeming as you can get while not being technically Catholic.
The Three Kingdoms Wars had a major factor in it being because High Church Anglicanism that was rising in influence was seen by many as a bit too Catholic seeming.
Protestantism has a wide spectrum, and it has to be said some bits have more in common with Catholicism than each other. Anglicanism is clearly one of them. It's weird and complicated.
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Canny, those incompetent fops.
Bloggers 4 UKIP @bloggers4ukip 56m
Cameron fails to stop £6.2bn EU budget increase http://fb.me/2kiYlspGMLucy Bell @lucyjinglebell 27m
#bbcqt While I am no Cameron fan, if he is the barrier preventing a Tory-UKIP coalition, as Farage says, I'm all for him staying.MustBeRead @MustBeRead
Cameron's coalition has been a historic disaster for the Conservative Party, says @iainmartin1: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100217196/camerons-coalition-has-been-a-historic-disaster-for-the-conservative-party/ …Tom Delargy @derekrootboy 9m
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QT: Why don't religious people grasp that no-one is forcing their churches to marry same sex couples?0
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Have they asked Nick Clegg about all this?TheScreamingEagles said:
Paywall
Senior Tories have begun to plan for the early break-up of the coalition amid fears that Nick Clegg will be unable to keep his party in government until 2015.
Some of David Cameron’s senior aides are talking through a range of scenarios, including the Lib Dems quitting up to a year before polling day.
One such contingency envisages Vince Cable taking over from Mr Clegg and using the opposition benches to reposition the Lib Dems as equidistant between the Tories and Labour.0 -
@tim
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old_labour said:
Have they asked Nick Clegg about all this?
TheScreamingEagles said:Paywall
Senior Tories have begun to plan for the early break-up of the coalition amid fears that Nick Clegg will be unable to keep his party in government until 2015.
Some of David Cameron’s senior aides are talking through a range of scenarios, including the Lib Dems quitting up to a year before polling day.
One such contingency envisages Vince Cable taking over from Mr Clegg and using the opposition benches to reposition the Lib Dems as equidistant between the Tories and Labour.
Well some Lib Dems are,old_labour said:Have they asked Nick Clegg about all this?
TheScreamingEagles said:Paywall
Senior Tories have begun to plan for the early break-up of the coalition amid fears that Nick Clegg will be unable to keep his party in government until 2015.
Some of David Cameron’s senior aides are talking through a range of scenarios, including the Lib Dems quitting up to a year before polling day.
One such contingency envisages Vince Cable taking over from Mr Clegg and using the opposition benches to reposition the Lib Dems as equidistant between the Tories and Labour.
this is the bit from the story that sticks out
"Senior Lib Dems said that Mr Clegg needed to act to prevent the Lib Dems “drifting into a four-party situation with us as the fourth party”.
One said that, in terms of the coalition’s future “the plates are shifting”."0 -
Probably not, because it sounds as though some journalist has got hold of one of the more excitable PB Nighthawks threads and taken it seriously.old_labour said:Have they asked Nick Clegg about all this?
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Macavity! He'll be affecting a Scottish accent next. It cannot be long until he and Mrs Cameron are seen sharing a plate of stovies.TheScreamingEagles said:
One source said that Mr Cameron had not himself taken part in any of the scenario planning, allowing the Prime Minister deniability and to exude confidence about the state of relations.
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Could one of the Eurovision aficionados let me know which German channel Eurovision will be on? I'll be in Hungary, so I'll be blessed by watching it without Graham Norton's witterings.0
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Not really tim, with labour having names like Tristram and Quentin in they ranks,he could easily be at home in the labour party ;-)tim said:Rachel Rogers @DorsetRachel 16m
4 Melcombe Regis by-election result: PEARSON (Labour) 279; Manvell (Con) 258; Williamson (Ind) 204; Taylor (LibDem) 170; Orrell (Green) 143.
Melcombe Regis has to be an old Etonian Number Ten advisor doesn't he?
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See, there's Labour's southwest surge. Can't say IOS didn't warn you. (Cornwall, Devon, are they different places?)tim said:Rachel Rogers @DorsetRachel 16m
4 Melcombe Regis by-election result: PEARSON (Labour) 279; Manvell (Con) 258; Williamson (Ind) 204; Taylor (LibDem) 170; Orrell (Green) 143.
Melcombe Regis has to be an old Etonian Number Ten advisor doesn't he?
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I don't get why people who are fanatical about marriage want to stop people, er, getting married.Bobajob said:QT: Why don't religious people grasp that no-one is forcing their churches to marry same sex couples?
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Not all of them! And only a bit Catholicy. In some ways.Bobajob said:
Only on PB would I discover that Protestants are in fact Catholics!kle4 said:Pretty sure Anglicanism is Protestantism, sort of, technically, it's just sometimes bits of it is called Anglo-Catholicism, and because elements of it, often dominant, is about as Catholic seeming as you can get while not being technically Catholic.
The Three Kingdoms Wars had a major factor in it being because High Church Anglicanism that was rising in influence was seen by many as a bit too Catholic seeming.
Protestantism has a wide spectrum, and it has to be said some bits have more in common with Catholicism than each other. Anglicanism is clearly one of them. It's weird and complicated.
Any theological scholars around? I'm not sure I could bluff my way through an description of anabaptists, fifth monarchists, quakers, seekers, ranters, muggletonians, diggers (beloved of proto-communists) and the like - and most of those are just from the Civil War period! (give or take a few).
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Das Erste channel.antifrank said:Could one of the Eurovision aficionados let me know which German channel Eurovision will be on? I'll be in Hungary, so I'll be blessed by watching it without Graham Norton's witterings.
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ARD Das Erste.
Hungary channel is MTVantifrank said:Could one of the Eurovision aficionados let me know which German channel Eurovision will be on? I'll be in Hungary, so I'll be blessed by watching it without Graham Norton's witterings.
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UKIP have gained the Rotherham by-election0
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Paywall
A begging letter admits that UKIP is short of money, policies and personnel — and puts off voters because they fear that an insurgent Nigel Farage will let Labour into power.
In a significant re-casting of its pitch to would-be supporters, the party is asking voters to “lend” their support for next year’s European elections but to give no further commitment.
Any donations will be spent solely on the 2014 campaign, an effort to calm fears among traditional Conservative voters that the main beneficiary should they defect to UKIP would be Ed Miliband. The letter from Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, which has been seen by The Times, was sent on Monday, and addressed to “Dear Fellow-Eurosceptic”.
“A lot of you hesitate to support UKIP, whether financially or otherwise, for fear that to do so might allow Labour in when the next general election comes,” Mr Wheeler wrote.
To combat such concerns, the party is setting up a special bank account, the “2014 Campaign Account”. UKIP is already expected to capitalise on public disenchantment with the three main parties by winning more seats in next year’s poll. Mr Wheeler said that UKIP’s recent political successes have “disappointingly, not yet resulted in a surge of donations”.0 -
Ranters? Muggletonians? ???kle4 said:
Not all of them! And only a bit Catholicy. In some ways.Bobajob said:
Only on PB would I discover that Protestants are in fact Catholics!kle4 said:Pretty sure Anglicanism is Protestantism, sort of, technically, it's just sometimes bits of it is called Anglo-Catholicism, and because elements of it, often dominant, is about as Catholic seeming as you can get while not being technically Catholic.
The Three Kingdoms Wars had a major factor in it being because High Church Anglicanism that was rising in influence was seen by many as a bit too Catholic seeming.
Protestantism has a wide spectrum, and it has to be said some bits have more in common with Catholicism than each other. Anglicanism is clearly one of them. It's weird and complicated.
Any theological scholars around? I'm not sure I could bluff my way through an description of anabaptists, fifth monarchists, quakers, seekers, ranters, muggletonians, diggers (beloved of proto-communists) and the like - and most of those are just from the Civil War period! (give or take a few).
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A fair comment. Could any government, of any stripe, manage such a thing?SquareRoot said:@tim
I would like to see a Labour Govt last 5 years doing absolutely nothing that was a) outside the remit of their manifesto or b) change what they had originally put in their manifesto..
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I have no objection to the possession of opinions, it's the sense of entitlement (so often evinced on here) that they should be taken seriously that makes me reach for my metaphorical revolver.kle4 said:
Silly man - everyone knows that no-one who is not Scottish is allowed to have an opinion on the matter anyway, as we cannot understand it.
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Hah, I win the Eurovision Afficiando prize.
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On the subject of the Nigel Farage incident, UKIP and the SNP peddle the same fantasy in different flavours to different people. No doubt the Scottish nationalists felt obliged to engage in territorial pissing.0
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Part of me says let's have a gay marriage referendum. Sadly though it would highly divisive.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I don't get why people who are fanatical about marriage want to stop people, er, getting married.Bobajob said:QT: Why don't religious people grasp that no-one is forcing their churches to marry same sex couples?
Although Yes would win easily.
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Rawmarsh
UKIP 1143
Labour 1039
Conservative 107
BNP 80
TUSC 61
LD 28
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As someone who has worn an England shirt in an Edinburgh hotel bar after England have hammered the Scots in a Calcutta cup match, and had no trouble, what exactly has Farage done?Theuniondivvie said:
I have no objection to the possession of opinions, it's the sense of entitlement (so often evinced on here) that they should be taken seriously that makes me reach for my metaphorical revolver.kle4 said:
Silly man - everyone knows that no-one who is not Scottish is allowed to have an opinion on the matter anyway, as we cannot understand it.0 -
I think the choice of Labour candidate didn't help either. People are fed up with the "establishment"...putting up somebody married to the resigning councillor turned PCC, with the mother sitting on the council, with the grandmother as a former councillor and the great-greatfather too.....0
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This is not getting a good reception from the Telegraph's posters.
Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, said the countryside should not be considered sacred when it comes to building new homes and suggested that the Coalition’s reforms to the planning system would have been approved by Margaret Thatcher.
He criticised people who are fighting development in rural areas, which has been made easier by the Government’s relaxation of planning rules earlier this year. He also claimed that building more homes in the countryside could add to its beauty.0 -
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It's empty posturing because that's all they have left. Why else do you think we're seeing something as ludicrous and absurd as this?old_labour said:Have they asked Nick Clegg about all this?
TheScreamingEagles said:Paywall
Senior Tories have begun to plan for the early break-up of the coalition amid fears that Nick Clegg will be unable to keep his party in government until 2015.
Some of David Cameron’s senior aides are talking through a range of scenarios, including the Lib Dems quitting up to a year before polling day.
One such contingency envisages Vince Cable taking over from Mr Clegg and using the opposition benches to reposition the Lib Dems as equidistant between the Tories and Labour.Christopher Hope @christopherhope
That's Cammie, the man who put a three line whip against his Eurosceptics for daring to suggest an EU referendum before, now putting a three line whip on them to support their 'nobody believes Cameron's pledges' private members bill on an EU referendum.
David Cameron will use a three line whip to force his MPs to back the James Wharton private members' bill on an EU referendum
This kind of incredible incompetence is making John Major look like a political titan on Europe.
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I think the views outside of Scotland deserve to be taken seriously by Scots when they make their decision, you are divorcing yourselves from us after all, the views of other parties may not sway the leaving party, but should be taken into account. I wouldn't expect it to be a primary factor by any means, but if, for example, 80% of England supported Scottish independence, or 80% did not support it, that would be relevant at least in contextualising the choice, surely?Theuniondivvie said:
I have no objection to the possession of opinions, it's the sense of entitlement (so often evinced on here) that they should be taken seriously that makes me reach for my metaphorical revolver.kle4 said:
Silly man - everyone knows that no-one who is not Scottish is allowed to have an opinion on the matter anyway, as we cannot understand it.
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Roger, do you fear that Nigel Farage is planning to put you in a concentration camp?0
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It fosters discontent, Andrea.AndreaParma_82 said:I think the choice of Labour candidate didn't help either. People are fed up with the "establishment"...putting up somebody married to the resigning councillor turned PCC, with the mother sitting on the council, with the grandmother as a former councillor and the great-greatfather too.....
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Huzzah!AndreaParma_82 said:UKIP have gained the Rotherham by-election
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MSmithsonPB It's being reported that Ukip has won the Rawmarsh by-election in Rotherham taking the seat from LAB. No details yet.
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MSmithsonPB Result from the Rotherham council by-election:- UKIP 1143 Labour 1039 Conservative 107 BNP 80 TUSC 61 LD 28
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Oh yes indeed. If memory serves the Muggletonians may have broken off from the Ranters movement. Sadly about all I can remember about them is their awesomely silly name, although it lasted a lot longer than the Ranters in the end, so I hope wikipedia is up to scratch on their 17th century religious sects, as I don't really want to dig through all my old textbooks to be reminded of the details.Bobajob said:
Ranters? Muggletonians? ???kle4 said:
Not all of them! And only a bit Catholicy. In some ways.Bobajob said:
Only on PB would I discover that Protestants are in fact Catholics!kle4 said:Pretty sure Anglicanism is Protestantism, sort of, technically, it's just sometimes bits of it is called Anglo-Catholicism, and because elements of it, often dominant, is about as Catholic seeming as you can get while not being technically Catholic.
The Three Kingdoms Wars had a major factor in it being because High Church Anglicanism that was rising in influence was seen by many as a bit too Catholic seeming.
Protestantism has a wide spectrum, and it has to be said some bits have more in common with Catholicism than each other. Anglicanism is clearly one of them. It's weird and complicated.
Any theological scholars around? I'm not sure I could bluff my way through an description of anabaptists, fifth monarchists, quakers, seekers, ranters, muggletonians, diggers (beloved of proto-communists) and the like - and most of those are just from the Civil War period! (give or take a few).
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I suppose the Conservatives could do a deal with UKIP whereby UKIP get a free run in their strongholds in the northern urban areas.0
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The ward is in Wentworth and Dearne constituency.0
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Avery
Pleased to see you as I've been attempting to ask you a question for the last week.
Namely when can we expect to have a monthly trade surplus.
As this government is committed to ending the budget deficit and rebalancing the economy surely it wont go for a full five years without a single month of trade surplus ?
And after all the economic news keeps on getting 'better and better' doesn't it ;-)
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Bye-bye John Healey.AndreaParma_82 said:The ward is in Wentworth and Dearne constituency.
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Somerset
Con 1303 LD 1079 UKIP 702 Lab 195 Green 165
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Wouldn't that undermine UKIPs efforts to draw voters away from Labour, as despite their protests they would confirm their status as Tory-Hard (as opposed to LDs being Labour-lite) and so trigger the same Anyone but them reaction as the conservatives in the end?RichardNabavi said:I suppose the Conservatives could do a deal with UKIP whereby UKIP get a free run in their strongholds in the northern urban areas.
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His 'cheeky chappy on the crest of an electoral wave' schtick was never going to go down well here, even if his brand of politics had some resonance north of the border. As it is we've had our 'national' media telling us for the last couple of months that UKIP are the new force in UK politics and we'll have to get used to it. Scots are thrawn when we get bombarded with stuff like that.TheScreamingEagles said:
As someone who has worn an England shirt in an Edinburgh hotel bar after England have hammered the Scots in a Calcutta cup match, and had no trouble, what exactly has Farage done?
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Gove is an idiot. I am an out-and-out urbanite, but when I am lucky enough to visit the countryside I don't think "oh this bucolic green wilderness would be better if only there were more buildings on it".
The guy is a prat.
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Toby Young representing the headbanger wing of the tory EU split now banging on about Europe because as we all know banging on about Europe is a master strategy of unparallelled brilliance.0
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It would be a tragedy for labour if ukip start making inroads into labour strong holds,not tragedy - funny.tim said:
It will be a tragedy for Labour if UKIP poll today's levels nationallyTykejohnno said:MSmithsonPB Result from the Rotherham council by-election:- UKIP 1143 Labour 1039 Conservative 107 BNP 80 TUSC 61 LD 28
labour,be very afraid - lol
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It really does look as if the Kipper threat is to Labour in the North, Andrea.AndreaParma_82 said:Somerset
Con 1303 LD 1079 UKIP 702 Lab 195 Green 165
Poor tim.
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Thanks, makes sense.Theuniondivvie said:
His 'cheeky chappy on the crest of an electoral wave' schtick was never going to go down well here, even if his brand of politics had some resonance north of the border. As it is we've had our 'national' media telling us for the last couple of months that UKIP are the new force in UK politics and we'll have to get used to it. Scots are thrawn when we get bombarded with stuff like that.TheScreamingEagles said:
As someone who has worn an England shirt in an Edinburgh hotel bar after England have hammered the Scots in a Calcutta cup match, and had no trouble, what exactly has Farage done?
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Probably best not to put too much effort into Scotland quite yet - we can leave that until the end of Cameron's third term as a coalition PM, by which time the Scots will have had a chance to get to know and appreciate the merits of Secretary of State for Scotland Viscount Monckton.tim said:Has anyone got a copy of that fitalass/ScottP map of northern and Scottish urban gains?
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careful. If you continue to generalise Scots in a monolithic way like that you will have @SouthamObserver pulling you up...Theuniondivvie said:
His 'cheeky chappy on the crest of an electoral wave' schtick was never going to go down well here, even if his brand of politics had some resonance north of the border. As it is we've had our 'national' media telling us for the last couple of months that UKIP are the new force in UK politics and we'll have to get used to it. Scots are thrawn when we get bombarded with stuff like that.TheScreamingEagles said:
As someone who has worn an England shirt in an Edinburgh hotel bar after England have hammered the Scots in a Calcutta cup match, and had no trouble, what exactly has Farage done?
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MSmithsonPB CON win the deferred Somerset County election in Coker. In 2009 this was LD so a CON gain. Ukip in 3rd place
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