He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
I doubt if he will king beyond 80.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king of queen. It comes from God.
QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
And Charles will not.
Wow. You're cocksure.
I shall leave you to self-assured pontification.
Sorry to those of you unsettled by this. It really is the end of an era, and some.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
I doubt if he will king beyond 80.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king or queen. It comes from God.
QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
The Divine Right of Kings went in the 17th century…
And was buried in the 18th by the Act of Settlement 1701
Save it for someone who is interested if you think that 01 technically belongs to the 17th C
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
I doubt if he will king beyond 80.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king of queen. It comes from God.
QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
And Charles will not.
Wow. You're cocksure.
I shall leave you to self-assured pontification.
Sorry to those of you unsettled by this. It really is the end of an era, and some.
xx
Also yes. Feel free to leave it there if you like.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.
Just commenting on that on our house. View here is that if he doesn't reign as Charles III he will be laughed out of Buckingham Palace and it will be the end of the monarchy.
Interesting that Edwards is still struggling with the change.
'Charles goes on...' 'the former Prince of Wales...'
It's entirely understandable, but it shows how hard the change will be for all of us if a man of his class can get it wrong.
Since they have rehearsed it, I assume it is about keeping the typical viewer up to speed. And the typical viewer today is quite different to your average Thursday.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.
Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.
My wife has just described Truss's contribution as "robotic, without any sense of feeling or nuance - the content was passable, but delivered as if reading a script that meant little to her". I agreed.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
Are you sure you are English? Curious misunderstanding of our history and institutions.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.
Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.
He never wanted to be Pope, he wasn't feeling well, and he felt he wasn't up to the demands of the job.
The Vatican theory falls because Francis actually kept many of the same staff.
It is of course a reasonable question as to how long Francis goes on. He's 85 now and isn't a well man.
My immediate reaction to Truss's speech was like it was delivered by an ISIS hostage with the gun pointed at her just off screen.
Reading from a prepared statement, looking down at it every few words, zero heart or improvisation. I can't think of any prime minister before who would so fail to rise to the occasion.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
Are you sure you are English? Curious misunderstanding of our history and institutions.
Wait till they find out what happened to some of those anointed monarchs, and how the succession was chosen.
I’m still on the remote Portuguese coast. I just checked in to a new hotel. The old Portuguese lady who owns the place looked at me, with sad, pale-faced shock, and said “your queen is dead!
Unremarkable speech by Truss, but perfectly adequate. Slightly faltering delivery, but who cares.
I kindof like her normalness.
Yes, it was a little wooden although there are benefits to that - certainly no sense of trying to capitalise.
But Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May (yes May) and Johnson would all have given a better speech,
Blair would have put in lots of dramatic pauses and over emoted. I'm surprised how thrilled I am to hear Liz Truss speak. A PM who sounds, to my ears, normal. May, Thatcher and Johnson, and indeed Blair, all sounded a bit alien to me. I'd never really realised before.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.
Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.
He went because of his handling of child abuse claims. Even his strongest supporters couldn’t defend his past decisions as he climbed the greasy pole to the top.
Either he went, or the Catholic Church shrivelled.
My wife has just described Truss's contribution as "robotic, without any sense of feeling or nuance - the content was passable, but delivered as if reading a script that meant little to her". I agreed.
Good. She is reading it as part of her job, not as a film audition. Anything, anything but the ghastly theatrics of Blair over Di.
btw she said HMQ was the embodiment of Great Britain. Awks in the circs.
I have a book "Bare feet and tackety boots" about growing up on the Isle of Rum before the war. One of the anecdotes is about an islander who crossed the island from his croft to get supplies from the ferry, after several weeks of no ferries due to bad weather. His wife reported him missing the next morning, and he was found on a hill by a telegraph post, with bleeding knuckles and surrounded by bottles. He had settled down to drink the newly-acquired supplies of whisky, and had apparently picked an argument with the telegraph post before falling into a drunken stupor and dying of exposure.
I hope there are no telegraph posts on Leon's route...
Nathan Ruser @Nrg8000 This map shows claimed advances by Ukrainain forces towards Kupiansk, in the Kharkiv countryside. Not all of these claims have been visually verified.
A breakthrough in this area puts serious stress on Russian positions in Izyum and Lyman as Kupiansk is a key supply node.
Truss did a tough job well. No lines fluffed. More convinced than ever that the Queen held on to make sure it wasn’t Johnson.
He would have had a brilliant metaphor and some classic Greek/Roman lines but he would have ruined it by ending by making himself the most important part of it all.
Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.
Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.
Unlike everyone else he won't remember where he was when he heard the news.
My wife has just described Truss's contribution as "robotic, without any sense of feeling or nuance - the content was passable, but delivered as if reading a script that meant little to her". I agreed.
I think that's harsh. Any normal person would be desperate to get through that without screwing up or falling to pieces.
Boris might have been a bit less robotic, but we've hopefully moved on from theatre.
Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.
The former would be a dramatic break with tradition.
Unremarkable speech by Truss, but perfectly adequate. Slightly faltering delivery, but who cares.
I kindof like her normalness.
Yes, it was a little wooden although there are benefits to that - certainly no sense of trying to capitalise.
But Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May (yes May) and Johnson would all have given a better speech,
Blair would have put in lots of dramatic pauses and over emoted. I'm surprised how thrilled I am to hear Liz Truss speak. A PM who sounds, to my ears, normal. May, Thatcher and Johnson, and indeed Blair, all sounded a bit alien to me. I'd never really realised before.
The best of those, I reckon, would have been Gordon Brown.
My wife has just described Truss's contribution as "robotic, without any sense of feeling or nuance - the content was passable, but delivered as if reading a script that meant little to her". I agreed.
I think that's harsh. Any normal person would be desperate to get through that without screwing up or falling to pieces.
Boris might have been a bit less robotic, but we've hopefully moved on from theatre.
It sounded fine to me on the radio.
I've had a couple of txts from mates saying she did fine.
In those pictures her hands are almost purple. Surprised that didn't get picked up on.
People did notice on social media. To me it looked like she'd been on a cannula through her hand and was possibly on blood thinners but I think most people felt it was in bad taste to speculate publicly at the time.
Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.
Unlike everyone else he won't remember where he was when he heard the news.
He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
King Gordon?
Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
I predict he will have a shorter reign.
I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.
But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.
He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.
Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.
That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.
Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.
He never wanted to be Pope, he wasn't feeling well, and he felt he wasn't up to the demands of the job.
The Vatican theory falls because Francis actually kept many of the same staff.
It is of course a reasonable question as to how long Francis goes on. He's 85 now and isn't a well man.
It's not just the pope - his cardinals are almost all elderly men. He is surrounded by the old - not a healthy situation for an organisation that needs to attract the young.
Many of his cardinals are in their 80s and 90s. The youngest is 48 (which to be fair is reasonable), but only a handful are below 60.
Unremarkable speech by Truss, but perfectly adequate. Slightly faltering delivery, but who cares.
I kindof like her normalness.
Yes, it was a little wooden although there are benefits to that - certainly no sense of trying to capitalise.
But Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May (yes May) and Johnson would all have given a better speech,
Blair would have put in lots of dramatic pauses and over emoted. I'm surprised how thrilled I am to hear Liz Truss speak. A PM who sounds, to my ears, normal. May, Thatcher and Johnson, and indeed Blair, all sounded a bit alien to me. I'd never really realised before.
The best of those, I reckon, would have been Gordon Brown.
I agree. And I had no time for him as a politician. But yes, he'd have been the best at this. Son of the manse, amd all that.
Have a thought for hundreds of churches round the country where the Parish Administrator will be spending the day tomorrow gluing the word "king" onto hymn #578.
1. Liz has been very lucky. The last photo ever of hmq is of the 2 of them and will become iconic.
2. Liz's stilted delivery is fine. It is an official statement. She did OK and buried any nonsense about republicanism
3. IT WASN'T BORIS. REJOICE.
4. There wasn't really a What were you doing when Kennedy was shot moment, it was too well trailed, EXCEPT for the happy few politics geeks who were watching HoC this morning and saw it kick off in real time.
I’m still on the remote Portuguese coast. I just checked in to a new hotel. The old Portuguese lady who owns the place looked at me, with sad, pale-faced shock, and said “your queen is dead!
"I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong."
Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.
Unlike everyone else he won't remember where he was when he heard the news.
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It's going toget postponed, isn't it?
But it's being well delivered and she looks appropriately sad and dignified.
Thank you God that you didn't take Her Majesty 72 hours ago.
I shall leave you to self-assured pontification.
Sorry to those of you unsettled by this. It really is the end of an era, and some.
xx
Save it for someone who is interested if you think that 01 technically belongs to the 17th C
Is Mike on a short notice holiday?
I kindof like her normalness.
Not sure it’s her job?
Very difficult to keep myself in check tbh.
It's a dynastic and divine right.
Charles may change it but it would require undoing the whole concept of anointedness.
But Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May (yes May) and Johnson would all have given a better speech,
Very, very adequate from Liz
'Charles goes on...' 'the former Prince of Wales...'
It's entirely understandable, but it shows how hard the change will be for all of us if a man of his class can get it wrong.
Thank goodness it was not Johnson
"Sorry, Your Majesty, but i have to look out for you"
You know they even crowned the heir whilst the king was still alive sometimes too.
Johnno would have been better at this by a mile.
The Vatican theory falls because Francis actually kept many of the same staff.
It is of course a reasonable question as to how long Francis goes on. He's 85 now and isn't a well man.
Reading from a prepared statement, looking down at it every few words, zero heart or improvisation. I can't think of any prime minister before who would so fail to rise to the occasion.
*innocent face*
I'm surprised how thrilled I am to hear Liz Truss speak. A PM who sounds, to my ears, normal. May, Thatcher and Johnson, and indeed Blair, all sounded a bit alien to me. I'd never really realised before.
Either he went, or the Catholic Church shrivelled.
btw she said HMQ was the embodiment of Great Britain. Awks in the circs.
I hope there are no telegraph posts on Leon's route...
Think it was more of a french tradition.
@Nrg8000
This map shows claimed advances by Ukrainain forces towards Kupiansk, in the Kharkiv countryside. Not all of these claims have been visually verified.
A breakthrough in this area puts serious stress on Russian positions in Izyum and Lyman as Kupiansk is a key supply node.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1567935220489273345
Boris might have been a bit less robotic, but we've hopefully moved on from theatre.
It sounded fine to me on the radio.
The second is possible, I suppose.
Many of his cardinals are in their 80s and 90s. The youngest is 48 (which to be fair is reasonable), but only a handful are below 60.
And I had no time for him as a politician. But yes, he'd have been the best at this. Son of the manse, amd all that.
I always wondered if her might go with Arthur.
Interesting to see how the polls go in response
2. Liz's stilted delivery is fine. It is an official statement. She did OK and buried any nonsense about republicanism
3. IT WASN'T BORIS. REJOICE.
4. There wasn't really a What were you doing when Kennedy was shot moment, it was too well trailed, EXCEPT for the happy few politics geeks who were watching HoC this morning and saw it kick off in real time.
I’m still on the remote Portuguese coast. I just checked in to a new hotel. The old Portuguese lady who owns the place looked at me, with sad, pale-faced shock, and said “your queen is dead!
I'm unsurprised. The Queen named him Charles knowing the precedents. Why would he change it?
And as I haven't said it yet: RIP HMQ. I'm trying to do other things to avoid thinking about it.
"I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong."
RIP - Elizabeth the Great.
She served indefatigably and tirelessly. Brilliant? No.