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Liz looks bloody shellshocked

Liz Truss still wearing her necklace.

Just reflecting how nice it is to hear a PM with a northern accent. Hadn't really thought about that before.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

RIP

Why does nothing ever happen on your watch TSE?

I think the funeral is going to be on or around my birthday.

HMQ RIP.

Is Mike on a short notice holiday?

PM calls him "King Charles III".

Heathener said:

ydoethur said:

Heathener said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Selebian said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

El_Capitano said:

Charles III.

But is he Charles...or George?

He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.

King Gordon?

Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.

I predict he will have a shorter reign.

I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.

He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.

I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.

Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.

I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king of queen. It comes from God.

QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.

And Charles will not.

Wow. You're cocksure.

I shall leave you to self-assured pontification.

Sorry to those of you unsettled by this. It really is the end of an era, and some.

xx

Also yes. Feel free to leave it there if you like.

23 minute call with my Mother.
Very difficult to keep myself in check tbh.

Charles III, says the PM.

CarlottaVance said:

The King’s statement:

https://twitter.com/royalfamily/status/1567936934290329608

Unsigned - so no hint as to his Regnal name.

Truss has called him King Charles III.

Driver said:

PM calls him "King Charles III".

Lets hope he doesn't end up like King Charles I !

Heathener said:

ydoethur said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Selebian said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

El_Capitano said:

Charles III.

But is he Charles...or George?

He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.

King Gordon?

Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.

I predict he will have a shorter reign.

I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.

He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.

And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.

That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.

He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.

Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.

That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.

So it's confirmed Charles either is or is not Charles.

CatMan said:

Liz just said "Charles the Third"

Just commenting on that on our house. View here is that if he doesn't reign as Charles III he will be laughed out of Buckingham Palace and it will be the end of the monarchy.

Interesting that Edwards is still struggling with the change.

'Charles goes on...' 'the former Prince of Wales...'

It's entirely understandable, but it shows how hard the change will be for all of us if a man of his class can get it wrong.

Cookie said:

Liz Truss not particularly clunky or awkward.

She is certainly having a baptism by fire and adapting to the role quickly

Thank goodness it was not Johnson

ping said:

Unremarkable speech by Truss, but perfectly adequate. Slightly faltering delivery, but who cares.

I kindof like her normalness.

There would be something wrong if not, given the circumstances.

kle4 said:

Heathener said:

ydoethur said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Selebian said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

El_Capitano said:

Charles III.

But is he Charles...or George?

He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.

King Gordon?

Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.

I predict he will have a shorter reign.

I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.

He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.

And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.

That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.

He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.

Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.

That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.

Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.

My wife has just described Truss's contribution as "robotic, without any sense of feeling or nuance - the content was passable, but delivered as if reading a script that meant little to her". I agreed.

ydoethur said:

Interesting that Edwards is still struggling with the change.

'Charles goes on...' 'the former Prince of Wales...'

It's entirely understandable, but it shows how hard the change will be for all of us if a man of his class can get it wrong.

He looks devastated. You can rehearse a day like this as much as you like, but can’t really prepare for when it actually happens.

GIN1138 said:

Driver said:

PM calls him "King Charles III".

Lets hope he doesn't end up like King Charles I !

Canonized?

Cookie said:

Liz Truss not particularly clunky or awkward.

Thank goodness it wasn’t Johnson doing it, forgetting his lines, and comparing her to Peppa Pig.

Luckyguy1983 said:

kle4 said:

Heathener said:

ydoethur said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Selebian said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

El_Capitano said:

Charles III.

But is he Charles...or George?

He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.

King Gordon?

Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.

I predict he will have a shorter reign.

I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.

He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.

And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.

That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.

He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.

Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.

That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.

Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.

He never wanted to be Pope, he wasn't feeling well, and he felt he wasn't up to the demands of the job.

The Vatican theory falls because Francis actually kept many of the same staff.

It is of course a reasonable question as to how long Francis goes on. He's 85 now and isn't a well man.

ydoethur said:

By the way, anything from Leon?

Last I saw of him he was about to drink the blood of a German tourist.

kle4 said:

Heathener said:

The Queen definitely believed she was instituted to the office by God and she could no more step down than she could undo her birth.

It's a dynastic and divine right.

Charles may change it but it would require undoing the whole concept of anointedness.

Oh dear what an impossibility, unless you count all the anointed monarchs who abdicate now.

You know they even crowned the heir whilst the king was still alive sometimes too.

Henry the Young King, in I want to say 1187?

I’m still on the remote Portuguese coast. I just checked in to a new hotel. The old Portuguese lady who owns the place looked at me, with sad, pale-faced shock, and said “your queen is dead!

Luckyguy1983 said:

kle4 said:

Heathener said:

ydoethur said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Selebian said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

El_Capitano said:

Charles III.

But is he Charles...or George?

He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.

King Gordon?

Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.

I predict he will have a shorter reign.

I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.

He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.

And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.

That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.

He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.

Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.

That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.

Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.

He went because of his handling of child abuse claims. Even his strongest supporters couldn’t defend his past decisions as he climbed the greasy pole to the top.

Either he went, or the Catholic Church shrivelled.

ydoethur said:

By the way, anything from Leon?

I have a book "Bare feet and tackety boots" about growing up on the Isle of Rum before the war. One of the anecdotes is about an islander who crossed the island from his croft to get supplies from the ferry, after several weeks of no ferries due to bad weather. His wife reported him missing the next morning, and he was found on a hill by a telegraph post, with bleeding knuckles and surrounded by bottles. He had settled down to drink the newly-acquired supplies of whisky, and had apparently picked an argument with the telegraph post before falling into a drunken stupor and dying of exposure.

I hope there are no telegraph posts on Leon's route...

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ydoethur said:

By the way, anything from Leon?

Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.

Fairliered said:

ydoethur said:

By the way, anything from Leon?

Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.

Unlike everyone else he won't remember where he was when he heard the news.

Fairliered said:

ydoethur said:

By the way, anything from Leon?

Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.

The former would be a dramatic break with tradition.

The second is possible, I suppose.

We’ll need to learn a new national anthem!

FrankBooth said:

In those pictures her hands are almost purple. Surprised that didn't get picked up on.

People did notice on social media. To me it looked like she'd been on a cannula through her hand and was possibly on blood thinners but I think most people felt it was in bad taste to speculate publicly at the time.

ydoethur said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

kle4 said:

Heathener said:

ydoethur said:

Driver said:

ydoethur said:

Selebian said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mexicanpete said:

El_Capitano said:

Charles III.

But is he Charles...or George?

He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.

King Gordon?

Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.

I predict he will have a shorter reign.

I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.

He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.

And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.

That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.

He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.

Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.

That's your interpretation, it isnt fact. Even popes chosen by God retire. The history of our own monarchy is far more messy than your interpretation.

Popes don't usually retire. There's a whole story about how Benedict did so because it was the only way to change the guard, and clear out what had become massive corruption in the Vatican. No idea how true it is.

He never wanted to be Pope, he wasn't feeling well, and he felt he wasn't up to the demands of the job.

The Vatican theory falls because Francis actually kept many of the same staff.

It is of course a reasonable question as to how long Francis goes on. He's 85 now and isn't a well man.

It's not just the pope - his cardinals are almost all elderly men. He is surrounded by the old - not a healthy situation for an organisation that needs to attract the young.

Many of his cardinals are in their 80s and 90s. The youngest is 48 (which to be fair is reasonable), but only a handful are below 60.

TimS said:

Cookie said:

TimS said:

ping said:

Unremarkable speech by Truss, but perfectly adequate. Slightly faltering delivery, but who cares.

I kindof like her normalness.

Yes, it was a little wooden although there are benefits to that - certainly no sense of trying to capitalise.

But Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May (yes May) and Johnson would all have given a better speech,

Blair would have put in lots of dramatic pauses and over emoted.
I'm surprised how thrilled I am to hear Liz Truss speak. A PM who sounds, to my ears, normal. May, Thatcher and Johnson, and indeed Blair, all sounded a bit alien to me. I'd never really realised before.

The best of those, I reckon, would have been Gordon Brown.

I agree.
And I had no time for him as a politician. But yes, he'd have been the best at this. Son of the manse, amd all that.

ydoethur said:

Well, this isn't a great speech by Truss, if I'm honest. Too many clichés and inaccuracies.

But it's being well delivered and she looks appropriately sad and dignified.

Thank you God that you didn't take Her Majesty 72 hours ago.

She hung in there I think with all her resolve. Did her duty to the very end. RIP HM The Queen. You were bloody brilliant.

The good news for all of you comparing Truss to her predecessors is that they all get to have a go too.

For those that missed it;


I’m still on the remote Portuguese coast. I just checked in to a new hotel. The old Portuguese lady who owns the place looked at me, with sad, pale-faced shock, and said “your queen is dead!

FrankBooth said:

Charles III it is.

I always wondered if her might go with Arthur.

That would have been unwise. He would have been known as Arthur Chance.

Leon said:

FrankBooth said:

Fairliered said:

ydoethur said:

By the way, anything from Leon?

Hopefully @Leon has realised that this is not the time for his self indulgent shite. Alternatively, he hasn’t yet awoken from his latest drunken stupor.

Unlike everyone else he won't remember where he was when he heard the news.

Well you got that wrong, didn’t you. See above

We'll see how you are in the morning.

Mexicanpete said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Cookie said:

Liz Truss not particularly clunky or awkward.

She is certainly having a baptism by fire and adapting to the role quickly

Thank goodness it was not Johnson

Thought Truss was terrible. Cold.

Johnno would have been better at this by a mile.

He really wouldn't. She was perfectly adequate. Which 2 days in is good enough.

Would any of us wanted to have to do that announcement, especially having been the recipient of her last official duty?

Boris muscles his way in. Well written as usual.