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It was a terrible speech.
He's going to win the next GE.
He's going to lose the next GE.
That should cover about 25 or so of the first 100 posts!
Logically if self employed had employment rights (from their customers presumably) then they are employees -no? Is Ed going to ban self employment? Are people going to get sued because they do not give a taxi driver notice that they will not be using them again ?
I stubbed my toe the other day. Considering suing myself for an unsafe workplace, but I won't give myself time off to pursue it
Not sure what that actually means – can anyone else elaborate…?
'serious question -what is the detail for the equal rights for self employed?'
Labour don't do detail.
Will Ed, the Tweedledum, out do Cammo, the Tweedledee?
Cameron managed to pull it off once ,in very specific circumstances when he had to act macho and defiant over Brown maybe calling an early election.
I think Miliband took note and tried it. Trouble is , needing to act macho and defiant is not what is needed now (and how could he do it anyway). What was needed was to provide some detail of how he would govern , notes help, both in structure and in showing he is serious and considered
It lived up to all my hopes and expectations.
2014... just a faint sound of snoring..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/10220083/We-could-soon-be-paying-billions-for-this-wind-back-up.html
Labour barely get a majority on current polling, as bigjohnowls shows us. There is no way current polling will hold up until May.
My guess would be that if there is any policy behind this [not guaranteed] then it will be auto-enrolment of the self-employed in NEST, and somehow forcing the banks to give mortgages to the self-employed. There might also be changes to statutory maternity pay and statutory sick pay to make these work for the self-employed - but I don't know what the current rules are and what sensible/silly changes you might propose to them.
BTW I see that Betfair have started putting up some constituency markets.
Much academic ink has been spilled over whether I should be able to not shop at ASDA because their staff are gay or Muslim or black. Or hire a builder, which is more personal.
I'm not sure about the principle, but in practice it is very difficult to imagine working.
''Labour would introduce to(sic) help self-employed people who struggle with issues such as pensions and getting mortgages.
Ed Miliband said part of Labour's goal was to end the "21st century discrimination" against the UK's 5 million self-employed people.''
Amazing.
That wouldn't necessarily matter if he had the policies. Did you find much in there to inspire you?
You carefully selected that first still for your personal enjoyment, didn't you.
And that's the danger of making your entire conference about only one speech. #Lab14
Adam Boulton@adamboultonSKY·36 mins
Comment - least memorable and ambitious of EM's Conf speeches. But aimed at core vote and he is ahead in the opinion polls.
Owen Jones@OwenJones84·31 mins
A fair enough speech, delivered fine. The radical coherent alternative many of us want? Not there. #lab14
Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak·27 mins
If any undecided voter was waiting to be convinced that Ed M is PM in waiting, not very sure that was the speech that would do it...
As for mortgages , banks do lend already to the self employed . in fact banks lend a lot of money to small businesses as they are their bread and butter.
Banded
Overall average is £15,000 a year on 80,000 properties. (which is only £1.2bn at best)
Some protection (? means test) to asset rich cash poor folk.
1. The policy sounds good, but he has no intention of implementing it
2. He knows, in his heart of hearts, that Ed Miliband will never be prime minister
September MEF (Murali Election Forecast) as follows (released now but dated 2nd September)
C 291 (-5)
L 304 (+6)
LD 26 (-2)
UKIP 1 (+1)
OTH 28
Some upward movement from Labour mainly due to the good ICM they had in August - this will probably unwind when the next MEF is released.
I didn't hear the speech (frankly, and despite following politics, I forgot about it) but I will follow up later on what's been said.
But I do think the timing of today's speech is bad for him.
I just think there is only so much politics the average punter can take, and after the historic drama of last week in Scotland exhaustion has set in. Ed MIliband would've been better off waiting till next week.
Compare this final-conference-speech-for-the-oppoistion-leader with Cameron's final one in 2009 and the interest, drama and limelight seems much less obvious.
Or perhaps I'm busy doing other things?
Get Down To The Frack Down.
http://www.globalfrackdown.org/
For it to be logically sensible it needs to be rights granted by third parties that arise as a result of employment (i.e. imposed by the government).
It's not my area (Neil?) but don't employed and self-employed have different pension treatments (at least until the Coalition's reforms come in).
Otherwise most employee rights are to protect them from employers. So they just don't make sense in the context of self-employment.
The alternative is that he is basically saying that contractors will be deemed to be employees - and taxed as such...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-29326000
How this will play out I have no idea but clearly it will have a significant influence on the election. That a local Tory MP is rather circumspect about it whereas the rather notorious leader of the Tory Kent County council welcomes it does indicated to an extent the mixed reaction it will provide. What I can suggest is it will likely further exacerbate local transport problems.
Alastair Campbell@campbellclaret·5 mins
Labour can balance up any disadvantage from 'only English MPs on english laws' with 'only MPs who use NHS/State schools can vote on them
This is probably as a result of the huge amount (circa £17million iirc) matched to their main Yes/No market in the Scottish referendum.
I'm guessing they will do it half heartedly and clearly belatedly but we must be thankful for small mercies.
If those were the approximate seat estimates with a Spread Betting firm, I would be a buyer of LDs and UKIP.
The implication of course is that NOM is indeed the most likely outcome.
Why is Scottish devolution sensible, but English devolution derisory? Obviously it isn't, but some on the left, bizarrely desperate to avoid equality for England, keep claiming it is so.
But I wonder about New Labourites. This is a dramatic market intervention, one way or another.
On a more serious note, if the Trots do get in power, they'll have to some form valuation. Whats to stop them doing a full revaluation & then jacking up council tax for everyone?
If you are self-employed on a good income then you will be able to put aside money for a pension, and prove to a bank that you are not too risky to lend money to. If you're low paid then you won't be able to do either.
The problem there is that the pay is too low - for whatever reason - and it's not obvious that you can regulate something like that away, absent a major restructuring of the economy.
The problem is that he said so little about this that you can interpret it to mean whatever you like, for good or ill.
Economic illiteracy 101.
If it is then I think ukip should've done so for H&M and released it, if favourable, after Eds speech
It's possible that Ed Milliband just has a different view of renewables to other people. For example, he might think in terms of:
Wind (indirect solar)
Solar (direct solar)
Coal and gas (stored solar)
Sure, coal and gas take millions of years to replenish, but - given a suitable time horizon - they are definitely renewable.
Ita about accountability All MPs in England are accountable to their electorates on the NHS, whether they use it or not.
I heard a similar idiotic point made about only women voting on women's issues. The point is that all MPs should be subject to the sanction of the electorate in return for being given the power of being an MP.
Yep same old Labour rubbish....
Terribly unfair and wont bring in the revenue predicted - but cheap - and its only a gimmick after all
I'm sure the conservatives will be asking that question
Ed Miliband might be Prime Minister in 2015, but he won't be Prime Minister in 2030.
If he'd wanted to make a pledge that was meaningful he could have said all sorts of things: x number of wind turbines to be built by 2020, y number of coal power stations replaced by renewable generation by 2020, etc
Instead he made a pledge he doesn't have to deliver on.
"it's like everything dan hodges has ever written coming true" overheard in press room re Ed speech.
Now @sirajdatoo says The Horrors irritated EdM used their music.
The band's tweets to the dear leader will go viral.
Re self-employed rights and pensions = as an IFA, i have no idea what they might be thinking on that one...... perhaps Labour thinks it's unfair that employees mandatorily get employer contributions under auto enrolment and harsh that the self-employed don't... which of course shows no understanding but otherwise what could it be?
Also serps/s2p used to hurt self-employed people but the state pension reforms from 2016 level that playing field too..
Answers welcome?