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SeanT said:
Salmond will surely resign now, or soon after the next GE? He looked a broken man in that car.
Sturgeon is ready and able to replace.
If he quite shortly he can retire with honour, having nearly done the inconceivable, and while he is still revered by his disciples; or he can trundle on, gradually earning more resentment.
If he's got any political sense (which he has, in spades) he will go, and go soon.
To take the 9-4 on him going before the 22nd though, that's the betting question.
Noone answered !
That said Salmond was defeated by Cameron, the incompetent, out of touch English Tory toff.
Well, almost! And just for the one day obviously.
Soft balled to the end .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rFT-uHm4w
The grass needs to be long to hide the EVEL ball he's kicked.
Suddenly the air smells fresher.
Trying the, as SeanT said, Bonnie Prince Charlie routine.
Instead, he looks like an old, dirty, nasty, smelly sock with about as much grace as one.
Though it would be fun to have him him back for a little while.
I do think Nicola Sturgeon leading would give them a better chance in the next independence referendum (inevitably within the next 10 years surely?). Salmond might be better at firing up the diehard nationalists, but I feel Sturgeon would've appealed more to the more moderate people who liked the idea of a more "left-wing" state but were turned off by Salmond's tub-thumping "us vs them" approach.
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I particularly liked "PB Stormfront Lite "
If it's a Yes, then Cameron may resign, or he may not for the reasons that have been discussed.
If it's a No, then Salmond is finished as a politician; the generational opportunity will be over.
Gordon Brown odds to replace him?
Typical oily, slimey, wringling, obsequious, dishonest response from Miliband to the planned change of constitutional powers. The man is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. Actually, why waste the vocabulary? He's a shit.
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Easily the most formidable politician amongst the current lot.
Why is he going ? He is not interested in being just a FM. He wanted to be PM of an independent Scotland. His bar was set quite high !
I hope this rumour is not ciorrect, if it is a rumour.
Hopefully, the SNP will revert to their previous state as a fringe party.
Huh, strange that he didn't mention this before the vote. He sounds like a solid No
As for the next referendum, if it ever happens it will be after the oil has run out.
Since scottish nationalisism is economically based on north sea oil, it will run out with it.
But at the last he came up against the only political force in the UK capable of beating him - Gordon Brown.
He needed to be taken out. That the electorate did it in spades just makes it all the more poignant. Eventually, enough saw through it. Salmond = the Bernie Madoff of politics.
1. a huge defeat for SLAB and establishing SNP as the natural government of Scotland in one minority and one majority election in a parliament gerrymandered to make [edit] the latter impossible
2. an actual democratic referendum
3.(probably) another massive chunk of damage on SLAB
4.frightening the Unionist party leaders out of their lives (or pushing them to give a very good impersonation) and making them make promises which they have to keep or else
and 5. making independence more popular than Tory or even Labour rule from Westminsiter (even though not more popular than staying in the UK)
from when the SNP was a fringe party and when he has never had the patronage options of the other parties (Commons and Lords) and all on incessant attack from the media the like of which I can't recall since the days of Neil Kinnock
I wouldn't think I had done too badly.
The government, by all accounts, is also reasonably popular !
I heard his Perth speech on Wednesday night. I am a socialist. I could hardly disagree with anything he said. No wonder they carried Glasgow. It is the middle class Labour vote who stuck to NO.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/19/scotland-votes-no-in-independence-referendum-live-coverage
Camp Miliband are really up shit creek if there's a 'Biggin up Broon' campaign rolling.
Isn't he the man who took Labour to their second worst election defeat?
Why does everyone keep saying whatever the result yesterday the world or at least the relationship between Scotland and the UK has changed for good. In other words where is the support for maintaining the status quo or even devo-reversed? How do we know the majority of people in the UK as a whole do not want to preserve the current level of devolution?
How bonkers was Scandal S2??!!
Can't wait for S3
If Brown wants to become First Minister, in order to bury the SNP for good, he will.
Haha this trolling is great you are desperate for a bite aren't you?
Throw in a few Gideon's, that might help
Plus also I really really don't think he needed to resign as you say, that's quite some achievement(s).
That's exactly why he isn't a far superior politician to Cameron. (I'll leave shit-face Miliband out of it.)
Having a grasp of reality is essential if you are to be a great politician. Cameron has that by the bucket load. Blair and Clinton even more.
Real guile is knowing how to gain, and retain, power. Salmond was stuck so far up his own posterior that he failed to judge the mood. Close, but no cigar. And in politics the winner takes all.
That failure to grasp reality is also, incidentally, why Boris will never make PM or if he does God help us all.
A party that has Jim Sillars and Brian Souter under one roof isn't stable now that Indy is off the table.
He forgot he needed to address the moderate undecideds, not his pumped up core vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNay_f2zaJ0
EtA:
Unkie' Clown English? Pfft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnkjOHVK-H4
Don't forget Nicola Sturgeon is the most popular major pol in Scotland by a long chalk. The various poll tables differ, but she's almost or always at the top.
Some fellow has tweeted a formula that apparently gives value of pi to the first 42 billion digits. Very neat an elegant it is too. Unfortunately it is the form of a ".png" image and I have no idea how to get one of those on here.
Belike, else (I forgot it was talk like a pirate day)
Instead of the ludicrous claim that Scotland would be able to borrow at the same rate as the UK, why not say: "Of course as a new country we'll have to show the markets that we are fiscally responsible, but I'm confident that in a very short time we'll have an excellent credit rating and low borrowing costs".
Instead of the ludicrous claim that Scotland would somehow magically automatically become a full member of the EU, why not say "After a Yes vote we'll immediately start talking with the EU about formal accession, and in the meantime I'm confident that we can agree an interim agreement which will allow trade and investment to continue without disruption, which is in everyone's interest"?
Admittedly on the currency issue he had a harder problem, but making the ludicrous claim that a currency union could be conjured out of thin air without the consent of the other side was just bizarre.
Perhaps with sane answers to questions like this it might have gone the other way. We'll never know.
If you start at S1 bear with it because it's very weak for the first few episodes.
( @Plato is a US mini-series authority, I believe)
Most important vote in generation saw 1000s of 16 & 17 year olds vote in indyref. How can we deny them vote in General Election?
Stayed up till 5.15 last night, when the Beeb suggested a NO vote was a cert.
So looks like:
Vote NO, get Ed!
but also, vote NO, get rid of Alex!
Surprised by the margin of victory (10%), looks like the final week of polls were out by some distance.
And any new "real socialist" party arising from the Glasgow area after the indyref.
That much more doable.
The inevitable tension will cause a fracture sooner or later. The SNP might implode now or after the devo max negotiations, which, as usual, will become for the Scots the Great Betrayal !
Watching him stand there and pretend that the fact that Scotland could use the pound without a currency union was some new revelation he'd just forced Darling to admit for the first time, and get a huge round of applause for it, and knowing that the media was never going to call him out on it, was absolutely sickening.
It was the same low, obvious tricks over and over, throughout the campaign. Pretending that not liking No's "negativity" was a good reason to vote Yes, as if the referendum was some kind of reality TV show competition where viewers phoned in to vote on which campaign had more flair and panache. Somehow managing to turn their inability to answer the most basic questions into a positive point by claiming that No was harping on the same points. The ridiculous Hope vs Fear dichotomy (when you stand on the edge of a cliff, do you choose Fear of splattering on the rocks below, or Hope that you'll somehow learn to fly on the way down?)
And I guess mentioning how stupid you have to be to fall for all that would have been patronising or something, so of course nobody ever did. No let Yes set the agenda again and again. I'm sure it was a joint success for Yes, but Salmond really was the face of those awful tactics, and he absolutely exemplified them. So no matter what his achievements or history, it's very hard for me to be anything other than glad to see the back of him.
It wouldn't be too far fetched. Mending fences etc.
Last night at one time he wrote: YES 50.6 NO 49.4.
Salmond promised the moon and stars, he promised to turn scotland into a gay religious socialist state with low taxes and deregulation for businesses, all funded by oil and green power.
So he lied heavily to either the poor or the rich, to the gays or the priests, to the oilmen or the greens, or simply to everyone including you.
He only cared to have scotland under his boot, he didn't care how.