The papers after an historic day – politicalbetting.com
The papers after an historic day – politicalbetting.com
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First like Truss's flight from the G20 summit1
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The Mail losing its shit is funny.....5
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Even the Daily Diana managed to retain some dignity……MarqueeMark said:The Mail losing its shit is funny.....
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Now over south India:swing_voter said:First like Truss's flight from the G20 summit
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-gbni/#2c8dedfb
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Kay Burley is a moron. There is no such thing as a caretaker PM. James Cleverly offering to lay a bet on Johnson not going very amusing.0
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FPT:
Ladbrokes still has no sprint markets up...
Anyway, Hamilton at 11 and Russell each way at 17 may be value for the race. Perez at 11 perhaps even more so. Nobody else, save Verstappen, has as many top 2 finishes this year, and he's well ahead of both Ferrari drivers.
The British Grand Prix was slightly odd when it comes to trying to assess race pace given how things ended, but I think Mercedes has narrowed the gap far more than I anticipated beforehand. But, Red Bull still seems top dog to me (albeit with more reliability problems than the Silver Arrows).
There are 12 races left including Austria, so could Hamilton or Russell take the title? They're a long way off Verstappen (88 and 70 points respectively). it's highly improbable but not quite impossible given reliability and Ferrari deciding to shoot itself in the foot constantly.
However, Hamilton at 21 is too short (29 Betfair). Russell at 51, is better value, especially as the market doesn't appear to have noticed he's done a better job than Hamilton this year (so far).
I won't be dabbling in this as I already did around the false dawn of Miami and are flat if they fail and ahead if they succeed, but a free bet on Russell for the title may be worth considering.2 -
Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.6 -
There is such a thing. We have one every General Election.tlg86 said:Kay Burley is a moron. There is no such thing as a caretaker PM. James Cleverly offering to lay a bet on Johnson not going very amusing.
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The obsequious love affair goes on. I used to have a friend who wrote for the Mail. Must be pretty embarrassing for them now. A bit like Johnson's cabinet I suppose1
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The next few months are going to be wall to wall Oaf japes, gnashing of teeth and Tory civil war.
Industrial amounts of popcorn required.
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The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?0 -
🔵 The Government will be left paralysed for months if Boris Johnson stays in Downing Street until his successor is chosen, senior Tories have warned.
🔓 This front page story is currently free to read 👇 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/boris-johnsons-long-goodbye-leaves-uk-state-paralysis/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657260633-20 -
Nadhim Zahawi appears to have prematurely announced the death of Shinzo Abe: https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/15452733729801666570
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Good to talk to @BBCr4today about Boris Johnson and what happens next. Made the point that Theresa May legislated to commit the UK to Net Zero during caretaker period, a sweeping (and potentially very expensive move) to try to cement her legacy
Westminster was so focused on the Conservative leadership contest and the Brexit wars that it passed without much comment
But it does show that for all the convention (spelled out in the Cabinet Manual) that PMs in this position should not try to make controversial or long term commitments, they can. Depends on how much protest it provokes
https://twitter.com/bronwenmaddox/status/15452891005126082593 -
A find bright morning here in North Essex and a morning which I hope starts a good weekend for my family! Our diamond wedding celebration is tomorrow and we'll have all the family who can be there with us!
On topic I personally I'm very glad to see the end of the Johnson premiership and I hope to get back to a bit more normality in British politics!20 -
Congrats on the diamond anniversary!OldKingCole said:A find bright morning here in North Essex and a morning which I hope starts a good weekend for my family! Our diamond wedding celebration is tomorrow and we'll have all the family who can be there with us!
On topic I personally I'm very glad to see the end of the Johnson premiership and I hope to get back to a bit more normality in British politics!1 -
That's bollocks. We have a Prime Minister. We might not have a parliament, but that's another matter.BartholomewRoberts said:
There is such a thing. We have one every General Election.tlg86 said:Kay Burley is a moron. There is no such thing as a caretaker PM. James Cleverly offering to lay a bet on Johnson not going very amusing.
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One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?3 -
Massive congratulations on your momentous day OKC. How marvellous.OldKingCole said:A find bright morning here in North Essex and a morning which I hope starts a good weekend for my family! Our diamond wedding celebration is tomorrow and we'll have all the family who can be there with us!
On topic I personally I'm very glad to see the end of the Johnson premiership and I hope to get back to a bit more normality in British politics!
And, agreed. I feel I can relax a bit now and not be so vexed. It was awful for anyone who loves this country, as I still do.2 -
Sending our popcorn pickers back home to the EU another Brexit mistake?StuartDickson said:The next few months are going to be wall to wall Oaf japes, gnashing of teeth and Tory civil war.
Industrial amounts of popcorn required.
Anyhow, it is good to see that the three-syllable ‘an before H’ guideline isn’t completely dead.0 -
Congratulations!OldKingCole said:A find bright morning here in North Essex and a morning which I hope starts a good weekend for my family! Our diamond wedding celebration is tomorrow and we'll have all the family who can be there with us!
On topic I personally I'm very glad to see the end of the Johnson premiership and I hope to get back to a bit more normality in British politics!
I see that Jimmy and Ross Lynn Carter have reached their 76th anniversary yesterday. Quite formidable.
https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1545241045012647937?t=V79xrzgv_ZMZRiDbA_qgNQ&s=19
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Good morningHeathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
I agree with your last paragraph and I think there is a possibility that when the conservative mps have reduced the candidates to the final two a deal may be agreed to have the new leader in place by the end of July. It may however be sent out to the membership which should see the result by the end of August
The turmoil will continue while parliament is sitting, but it rises on the 22nd July until 1st September which means the various investigations into Johnson will be well after he has left office though he has said he will remain an mp so it will be uncomfortable for him
I expect continuing very poor polls for the conservatives but come September with a new leader and cabinet hopefully sidelining the idiotic JRM and Dorries the political narrative will change and Starmer may find he has a fight on his hands
As far as Johnson is concerned he will make millions and you may not want to listen to him but very many will
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That's simply awful news.Scott_xP said:Nadhim Zahawi appears to have prematurely announced the death of Shinzo Abe: https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1545273372980166657
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That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?2 -
From that, John Major and Michael Gove both called for Boris to go sooner rather than later, and Andrew Marr said yesterday that he'd heard the same from 1922 types.Scott_xP said:🔵 The Government will be left paralysed for months if Boris Johnson stays in Downing Street until his successor is chosen, senior Tories have warned.
🔓 This front page story is currently free to read 👇 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/boris-johnsons-long-goodbye-leaves-uk-state-paralysis/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657260633-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0UEOQqW1Uo
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.1 -
RIP Shinzo Abe, that's upsetting.
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The outcome I really want, is the removal of the Tory party from office, for 10yrs or so would be nice, so you would think that I would be unhappy with the ending of Johnsons reign, possibly making it less likely that they lose the next election, on the contrary I am just glad he will be going, for the sake of the country. I also am far from certain that he wouldnt of won the next election anyway, the papers would have started their predictable 2 yr campaign against Starmer, and the polls would not have to have turned that much for the Liar to win again, whatever happens at the next election, we wont have to endure the spectacle of that lying oaf grinning at the steps of downing street, after securing another 5 years.0
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Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?0
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I get the *impression* that Johnson really cares about his legacy. Really, really cares. Being Mayor of London or PM was not about helping London or the country; it was about how brilliant he would appear in the future. This is why the way his time as PM appears to be ending will be so hard on him - although his own actions have made it far worse as he has shown a characteristic lack of dignity.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.0 -
Well. Angela Rayner, deputy Labour leader, just said her party will call a no confidence vote in the Commons if Boris doesn’t leave No10.
So Labour not accepting him remaining PM until the autumn while a successor is picked.
Would Tory rebels vote for it? How many?
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/15452969895034961920 -
Wonderful news and many congratulationsOldKingCole said:A find bright morning here in North Essex and a morning which I hope starts a good weekend for my family! Our diamond wedding celebration is tomorrow and we'll have all the family who can be there with us!
On topic I personally I'm very glad to see the end of the Johnson premiership and I hope to get back to a bit more normality in British politics!
Have a great family gathering tomorrow
We hope to emulate your achievement in May 20243 -
I think that he wouldn't want someone who trashes his legacy by doing a Kruschev on him. Someone who exposes all his sordid graft etc.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?0 -
Odd that on the day before he fell, he was caught confessing to flying off in secret to meet the KGB. Was fascinating as that exchange went on watching the aide behind him sit blank faced as he wrote a note and circled it then passed it to BlowJo who immediately shut up - as instructed?JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
We know there are major national security concerns about him and his circle. Some of us have been talking about the russian money and influence for a while - and now he's coughed. Another reason to get him out.
Lets assume that the Ukraine war heats up. Cool heads are needed. Is Johnson really the right man to be making decisions? The lame-duck PM is supposed to not make any policy decisions. That feels impossible when you consider what is going on in the world right now.2 -
Angela Rayner is dreadful! Labour need a good chief of staff quickly. They have to control who they put in front of the media. she is as close to incoherent as johnson was during his Peppa Pig meander.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
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He can seek to interfere, but his reputation is in tatters. His endorsement might be more of a negative than a positive for any candidate.JosiasJessop said:
I get the *impression* that Johnson really cares about his legacy. Really, really cares. Being Mayor of London or PM was not about helping London or the country; it was about how brilliant he would appear in the future. This is why the way his time as PM appears to be ending will be so hard on him - although his own actions have made it far worse as he has shown a characteristic lack of dignity.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
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Why? If Johnson won't leave Downing Street, call a confidence vote in the Prime Minister. And if the Tories all vote confidence in him that is another election leaflet written.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
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Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PMJosiasJessop said:He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.2 -
So presumably the 1922 will announce over the weekend, or more likely Monday, the timeframe. Do MPs have to be sitting for the ballots? If they do then they've got c. 10 days to reach the final 2.DecrepiterJohnL said:
From that, John Major and Michael Gove both called for Boris to go sooner rather than later, and Andrew Marr said yesterday that he'd heard the same from 1922 types.Scott_xP said:🔵 The Government will be left paralysed for months if Boris Johnson stays in Downing Street until his successor is chosen, senior Tories have warned.
🔓 This front page story is currently free to read 👇 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/boris-johnsons-long-goodbye-leaves-uk-state-paralysis/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657260633-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0UEOQqW1Uo
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I've lost confidence that the 1922 can get their act together on anything but presumably 10 days is plenty of time to whittle it down to two candidates? They'll just have to hold ballots every day instead of every other day. Brisk business but perfectly possible.
Then it will be out to summer hustings for the run-off.0 -
My local elections in Inkersall.
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In a year's time, Boris might feel he's timed his exit quite well.
He'll be able (with little justification, but that's irrelevant) to sidestep some of the blame for what's likely to be a few years of painful economic retrenchment.
If Ukraine defeats the invasion, he'll claim credit; if not, he'll again slide on the blame front.
And the Brexit mess is likewise someone else's headache to sort out.
Repeat the above for the Conservative performance at the next election.
And I'm pretty sure @Heathener is completely wrong about his future earnings potential. Just deserts don't come into it.2 -
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Sunak 6.4 (7.5) ⬆️
Mordaunt 7.6 (5)
Tugendhat 9 (15) ⬆️
Truss 12.5 (9.6)
Javid 14 (10.5)
Zahawi 15 (12)
Hunt 17 (13.5)
Baker 30 (?) ⬆️
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I compared his resignation to the "abdication" of James II yesterday. The other, more immediate parallel, is with the letter he sent requesting a Brexit extension.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
There's a tacit understanding that he's resigned, but no-one is going to force him to say the words out loud.0 -
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with meHeathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.2 -
SeanT was first.Leon said:
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with meHeathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.4 -
Not in their interests given they all worked for him.Foxy said:
I think that he wouldn't want someone who trashes his legacy by doing a Kruschev on him. Someone who exposes all his sordid graft etc.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
The Tories are very good at whitewash.0 -
Kruschev worked for Stalin...Nigelb said:
Not in their interests given they all worked for him.Foxy said:
I think that he wouldn't want someone who trashes his legacy by doing a Kruschev on him. Someone who exposes all his sordid graft etc.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?0 -
I suspect in the immediate aftermath he will earn a fortune on the after dinner circuit here, in the US and elsewhere. However too many inevitable Peppa Pig performances and the invitations will wither away.Heathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
He will get advances on his autobiography, Shakespeare's biography and a couple of other projects. His writing is floral and overrated. He will get bored and that income source will dry up as he becomes more irrelevant.
All the right wing rags will clamour for his short weekly columns and this will be a fruitful source of income for some time. As time progresses these will drop off until he is back to just the Telegraph and the Spectator, and here too, in five or ten years someone will question "why are we paying a quarter of a million pounds a year, for columns no one reads?"
The game show guest host spots and interview appearances will be embarrassing but lucrative, but they too will be time limited.
He will earn a substantial amount of money over the next few years, but both he and his wife are "world beaters" when it comes to spending it. But as he embarks on new and dangerous liaisons his wealth and marriage may again go one way and him the other.
Yesterday his anger at everyone else was palpable, with not a shred of self awareness as to how he found himself on the lectern in Downing Street. A silver spoon life overwhelmed by excess and self indulgence.
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If I was Boris I think I'd become an expat. I could see the hand of the law paying him one or two visits.RochdalePioneers said:
Odd that on the day before he fell, he was caught confessing to flying off in secret to meet the KGB. Was fascinating as that exchange went on watching the aide behind him sit blank faced as he wrote a note and circled it then passed it to BlowJo who immediately shut up - as instructed?JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
We know there are major national security concerns about him and his circle. Some of us have been talking about the russian money and influence for a while - and now he's coughed. Another reason to get him out.
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Mr. B2, it looks a bit stupid having a Commons vote of no confidence in someone after they've said they're going.
The Conservatives did not do it when Brown was having his 'contest' to be next PM. Nor Labour when the Conservatives last held a leadership election.
It'll make Labour look a bit weird.
[I do agree he should go immediately, but the Conservatives have effectively VONCed him out already.]
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On top, your regular reminder that the newspapers follow the prejudices of their readers; they don't lead them. They are a product selling to a customer base like any other.
Think who buys the Daily Mail and Daily Express these days, and you have your answer.4 -
The chair of the 22 was on Today earlier and made a good point (I do want Boris out of No10 asap btw) that whilst he hopes it’s a quick process it’s also very important to get the right person and give time to candidates to show their “manifesto” and allow the electors a chance to examine and question.Heathener said:
So presumably the 1922 will announce over the weekend, or more likely Monday, the timeframe. Do MPs have to be sitting for the ballots? If they do then they've got c. 10 days to reach the final 2.DecrepiterJohnL said:
From that, John Major and Michael Gove both called for Boris to go sooner rather than later, and Andrew Marr said yesterday that he'd heard the same from 1922 types.Scott_xP said:🔵 The Government will be left paralysed for months if Boris Johnson stays in Downing Street until his successor is chosen, senior Tories have warned.
🔓 This front page story is currently free to read 👇 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/boris-johnsons-long-goodbye-leaves-uk-state-paralysis/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657260633-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0UEOQqW1Uo
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I've lost confidence that the 1922 can get their act together on anything but presumably 10 days is plenty of time to whittle it down to two candidates? They'll just have to hold ballots every day instead of every other day. Brisk business but perfectly possible.
Then it will be out to summer hustings for the run-off.
I think trying to rush it does favour “big names” and it might not be a bad idea to ensure that if there is an outsider their voice has a chance to build momentum and be heard.
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Maybe you need to listen to the official opposition, maybe the next government whose policy is identical to the conservatives and rejects rejoining even the single market let alone the EUScott_xP said:
Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PMJosiasJessop said:He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
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Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.Leon said:
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with meHeathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
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Great post!Mexicanpete said:
I suspect in the immediate aftermath he will earn a fortune on the after dinner circuit here, in the US and elsewhere. However too many inevitable Peppa Pig performances and the invitations will wither away.Heathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
He will get advances on his autobiography, Shakespeare's biography and a couple of other projects. His writing is floral and overrated. He will get bored and that income source will dry up as he becomes more irrelevant.
All the right wing rags will clamour for his short weekly columns and this will be a fruitful source of income for some time. As time progresses these will drop off until he is back to just the Telegraph and the Spectator, and here too, in five or ten years someone will question "why are we paying a quarter of a million pounds a year, for columns no one reads?"
The game show guest host spots and interview appearances will be embarrassing but lucrative, but they too will be time limited.
He will earn a substantial amount of money over the next few years, but both he and his wife are "world beaters" when it comes to spending it. But as he embarks on new and dangerous liaisons his wealth and marriage may again go one way and him the other.
Yesterday his anger at everyone else was palpable, with not a shred of self awareness as to how he found himself on the lectern in Downing Street. A silver spoon life overwhelmed by excess and self indulgence.
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That's very true, though what does it say about Mail readers that the Express has come out with a dignified front page while the Mail has gone full tonto?Casino_Royale said:On top, your regular reminder that the newspapers follow the prejudices of their readers; they don't lead them. They are a product selling to a customer base like any other.
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I don't think Carrie fancies the rubber chicken circuit.Heathener said:
If I was Boris I think I'd become an expat. I could see the hand of the law paying him one or two visits.RochdalePioneers said:
Odd that on the day before he fell, he was caught confessing to flying off in secret to meet the KGB. Was fascinating as that exchange went on watching the aide behind him sit blank faced as he wrote a note and circled it then passed it to BlowJo who immediately shut up - as instructed?JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
We know there are major national security concerns about him and his circle. Some of us have been talking about the russian money and influence for a while - and now he's coughed. Another reason to get him out.
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I wonder if some of BoZo Russian friends might pay him huge sums of money NOT to write his memoirs...2
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Heading on out but I don't 'think' Labour can call a VONC in a person, can they? Isn't the wording constrained to be a Vote of No Confidence in Her Majesty's Government?0
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Tories in freefall in this week's Times poll - Labour *eleven* points ahead
CON 29 (-4)
LAB 40 (+1)
LIB DEM 15 (+2)
GREEN 6 (n/c)
REF UK 3 (-1)
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Was Abe controversial in any way.0
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Kruschev worked for Stalin didn't he?Nigelb said:
Not in their interests given they all worked for him.Foxy said:
I think that he wouldn't want someone who trashes his legacy by doing a Kruschev on him. Someone who exposes all his sordid graft etc.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
The Tories are very good at whitewash.0 -
Yes, Labour might do better following up Lebedev than chasing confidence votes.RochdalePioneers said:
Odd that on the day before he fell, he was caught confessing to flying off in secret to meet the KGB. Was fascinating as that exchange went on watching the aide behind him sit blank faced as he wrote a note and circled it then passed it to BlowJo who immediately shut up - as instructed?JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
We know there are major national security concerns about him and his circle. Some of us have been talking about the russian money and influence for a while - and now he's coughed. Another reason to get him out.
Lets assume that the Ukraine war heats up. Cool heads are needed. Is Johnson really the right man to be making decisions? The lame-duck PM is supposed to not make any policy decisions. That feels impossible when you consider what is going on in the world right now.
Here is Hansard for yesterday's urgent question on the meeting. Of particular interest are these two extracts (which are some time apart):-
Vicky Ford, FCO PUS for HMG: I understand that the Prime Minister also confirmed that he had met Mr Lebedev without officials present and that he had subsequently reported those meetings to officials as required.
Chris Bryant: Mr Speaker, I think the Minister inadvertently misled us earlier, because the Prime Minister yesterday—I was at the Liaison Committee—did not say what she said. He did not say—to the best of my memory, anyway—that he had notified other officials. If he had notified other officials, surely, as the Minister would understand, that meeting would have appeared on the transparency records of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for April 2018 and it is not there. So, either she has misled us inadvertently today, or the Prime Minister did so, perhaps more deliberately, previously.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-07-07/debates/88BD523E-9AEF-45B9-97C5-5941F01AE888/PrimeMinister’SMeetingWithAlexanderLebedev
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It's not formal, but there's a convention, an understanding, that although the PM has all the normal powers if they need them, that they're in some sense only minding the shop.tlg86 said:
That's bollocks. We have a Prime Minister. We might not have a parliament, but that's another matter.BartholomewRoberts said:
There is such a thing. We have one every General Election.tlg86 said:Kay Burley is a moron. There is no such thing as a caretaker PM. James Cleverly offering to lay a bet on Johnson not going very amusing.
Obviously this is only informal, so it's something where the boundary is a bit fuzzy, which is why people have pointed to May passing Net Zero (but that's not really a contradiction as it had Opposition support, so it wasn't controversial). Another interesting example was the consultation during the Eurozone crisis in 2010.
People are only making a thing of this now because they don't trust Johnson to act reasonably during this period with only convention to restrain him.1 -
If that's the sad field it's got to be Rishi. When you take oput the clowns you're left with Tugendhat Wallace and Sunak. Tugendhat and Wallace are inferior versions of Starmer which leaves Sunak. He'd be the one for Labour to fearStuartDickson said:Next Con leader
(prices in brackets = 2 days ago)
Wallace 4.3 (9) ⬆️
Sunak 6.4 (7.5) ⬆️
Mordaunt 7.6 (5)
Tugendhat 9 (15) ⬆️
Truss 12.5 (9.6)
Javid 14 (10.5)
Zahawi 15 (12)
Hunt 17 (13.5)
Baker 30 (?) ⬆️
Braverman 55 (44)
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Raab 85 (40)
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Gove 151 (23)
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Eustice 500 (21)1 -
Fair point - and it's less than a million people for the print edition. It's garbage, but well targeted to its small niche.Casino_Royale said:On top, your regular reminder that the newspapers follow the prejudices of their readers; they don't lead them. They are a product selling to a customer base like any other.
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One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.0 -
DT going with the runners and riders:
“The Brexit Torch-Carriers”
Suella Braverman QC (42)
Priti Patel (50)
Steve Baker (51)
“The Tax-and-Spenders”
Rishi Sunak (42)
Sajid Javid (52)
Jake Berry (43)
“The Liberal Centrists”
Penny Mordaunt (49)
Jeremy Hunt (55)
Sir Robert Buckland QC (53)
“The Small Government Tax-Cutters”
Liz Truss (46)
Nadhim Zahawi (55)
Grant Shapps (53)
“The Military Veterans”
Ben Wallace (52)
Tom Tugendhat (49)
Tobias Ellwood (55)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/who-replace-boris-johnson-resign-next-tory-leader-zahawi/
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Swiftly deletedScott_xP said:Nadhim Zahawi appears to have prematurely announced the death of Shinzo Abe: https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1545273372980166657
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Oooh I was waiting for a '20's.Scott_xP said:Tories in freefall in this week's Times poll - Labour *eleven* points ahead
CON 29 (-4)
LAB 40 (+1)
LIB DEM 15 (+2)
GREEN 6 (n/c)
REF UK 3 (-1)
Highest Labour score since January... highest Lib Dem rating of this parliament https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1545299367313260545/photo/1
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He was a politician.TOPPING said:Was Abe controversial in any way.
Being serious, he was their longest serving PM and he did serious reforms both to the military and to the economy. You don't get to be in power for a long time, making major reforms, without upsetting a few people. It sounds like the gunman is ex-military. So almost certainly yes this was political, as awful as that is, and not just "mental health" which will no doubt be mentioned at some point soon.1 -
It says nothing about Mail readers but watch the resignation honours list.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's very true, though what does it say about Mail readers that the Express has come out with a dignified front page while the Mail has gone full tonto?Casino_Royale said:On top, your regular reminder that the newspapers follow the prejudices of their readers; they don't lead them. They are a product selling to a customer base like any other.
Think who buys the Daily Mail and Daily Express these days, and you have your answer.2 -
What are the numbers in the list? I don't have a paywall subscription.Sandpit said:DT going with the runners and riders:
[snip]
Have they missed anyone who might plausibly run?
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Again, what makes you think a hard Brexiteer will create a positive legacy for Brexit? If anything, a soft, pragmatic Brexiteer, or even pragmatic ex Remainer is the only hope for a positive legacy.JosiasJessop said:
I get the *impression* that Johnson really cares about his legacy. Really, really cares. Being Mayor of London or PM was not about helping London or the country; it was about how brilliant he would appear in the future. This is why the way his time as PM appears to be ending will be so hard on him - although his own actions have made it far worse as he has shown a characteristic lack of dignity.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
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Come come Stuart. Labour have done well through this. Sir Keir Starmer was forensic and funny at PMQ's and they need do nothing else except keep their heads down, with the occasional well-meaning platitude from the sidelines.StuartDickson said:
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
When a party is tearing itself apart you really don't need to join in, or you may suddenly find they all unite and turn on you.
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Will it? Starmer's Labour don't seem in any hurry to 'dismantle' it.Scott_xP said:
Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PMJosiasJessop said:He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
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Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?Heathener said:
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.Leon said:
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with meHeathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10993095/Boris-Johnson-set-net-fortune-leaves-office.html
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And I'll still be agreeing with Scott's Brexit analysis.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe you need to listen to the official opposition, maybe the next government whose policy is identical to the conservatives and rejects rejoining even the single market let alone the EUScott_xP said:
Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PMJosiasJessop said:He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
Looks as if you will be tweeting for years to come
The LOTO hasn't covered himself with glory in the last week. He was abysmal yesterday and his Brexit policy is failed Johnsonianism.
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I heard that on R4. Shocked to learn that the net zero target was put in place by executive order of the departing PM May. Sinks even lower in my esteem.CarlottaVance said:Good to talk to @BBCr4today about Boris Johnson and what happens next. Made the point that Theresa May legislated to commit the UK to Net Zero during caretaker period, a sweeping (and potentially very expensive move) to try to cement her legacy
Westminster was so focused on the Conservative leadership contest and the Brexit wars that it passed without much comment
But it does show that for all the convention (spelled out in the Cabinet Manual) that PMs in this position should not try to make controversial or long term commitments, they can. Depends on how much protest it provokes
https://twitter.com/bronwenmaddox/status/1545289100512608259
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I really don't see any need to hound Boris out of office now but I do hope that the 22 get on with it. Their elections are on Monday I think and once the new committee is in place presumably they can announce a time table right away.
At the moment there are a lot of fantasy candidates like Braverman. An early round with a minimum tariff to clear out the deluded would be helpful. MPs will be looking to do deals and, for me a joint Javid/Sunak ticket would be seriously attractive. Most of our more successful governments have had a close team at the top, whether Blair/Brown or Cameron/Osborne. A PM needs someone who can act as an enforcer and link to the party, as Maggie put it every PM needs a Willie. The lack of such a reliable and solid supporter in cabinet and office was a major factor in the undermining of Boris but he was always a lone wolf who focused on himself. .
As soon as the voting starts any remaining power in Boris will drain away. We face a period of paralysis but we can cope with that for a few weeks and it will be worth it if we get a clearer idea of our sense of direction at the end of it than we have had for the last 9 months.
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They've got about two weeks before the summer recess, so that's it for the parliamentary stage of the proceedings.boulay said:
The chair of the 22 was on Today earlier and made a good point (I do want Boris out of No10 asap btw) that whilst he hopes it’s a quick process it’s also very important to get the right person and give time to candidates to show their “manifesto” and allow the electors a chance to examine and question.Heathener said:
So presumably the 1922 will announce over the weekend, or more likely Monday, the timeframe. Do MPs have to be sitting for the ballots? If they do then they've got c. 10 days to reach the final 2.DecrepiterJohnL said:
From that, John Major and Michael Gove both called for Boris to go sooner rather than later, and Andrew Marr said yesterday that he'd heard the same from 1922 types.Scott_xP said:🔵 The Government will be left paralysed for months if Boris Johnson stays in Downing Street until his successor is chosen, senior Tories have warned.
🔓 This front page story is currently free to read 👇 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/boris-johnsons-long-goodbye-leaves-uk-state-paralysis/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657260633-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0UEOQqW1Uo
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I've lost confidence that the 1922 can get their act together on anything but presumably 10 days is plenty of time to whittle it down to two candidates? They'll just have to hold ballots every day instead of every other day. Brisk business but perfectly possible.
Then it will be out to summer hustings for the run-off.
I think trying to rush it does favour “big names” and it might not be a bad idea to ensure that if there is an outsider their voice has a chance to build momentum and be heard.
But the final vote will very probably go to the membership. The competition between the final unappealing duo will be too closely contested to avoid that, I would wager.0 -
Didn’t someone here yesterday say that Zahawi looked like a hired assassin who had been called back to do one last job? No wonder he knew about Abe early…..IanB2 said:
Swiftly deletedScott_xP said:Nadhim Zahawi appears to have prematurely announced the death of Shinzo Abe: https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1545273372980166657
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We might not have a Parliament, but we have a caretaker government, that is very restricted by convention in what it can do. The Cabinet Manual goes into some details on this, it isn't business as usual.tlg86 said:
That's bollocks. We have a Prime Minister. We might not have a parliament, but that's another matter.BartholomewRoberts said:
There is such a thing. We have one every General Election.tlg86 said:Kay Burley is a moron. There is no such thing as a caretaker PM. James Cleverly offering to lay a bet on Johnson not going very amusing.
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While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at WimbledonStuartDickson said:
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
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"... we are only a few points behind in the polls...after months of sledging".Scott_xP said:Tories in freefall in this week's Times poll - Labour *eleven* points ahead
CON 29 (-4)
LAB 40 (+1)
LIB DEM 15 (+2)
GREEN 6 (n/c)
REF UK 3 (-1)
Highest Labour score since January... highest Lib Dem rating of this parliament https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1545299367313260545/photo/10 -
I disagree. Wallace is a very different type of politician from Starmer. He’s more guts and less cerebral. Cerebral politicians rarely do well in the long run.Roger said:
If that's the sad field it's got to be Rishi. When you take oput the clowns you're left with Tugendhat Wallace and Sunak. Tugendhat and Wallace are inferior versions of Starmer which leaves Sunak. He'd be the one for Labour to fearStuartDickson said:Next Con leader
(prices in brackets = 2 days ago)
Wallace 4.3 (9) ⬆️
Sunak 6.4 (7.5) ⬆️
Mordaunt 7.6 (5)
Tugendhat 9 (15) ⬆️
Truss 12.5 (9.6)
Javid 14 (10.5)
Zahawi 15 (12)
Hunt 17 (13.5)
Baker 30 (?) ⬆️
Braverman 55 (44)
…
Raab 85 (40)
…
Gove 151 (23)
…
Eustice 500 (21)
If I was a Tory, especially a Scottish Tory, I’d go for Wallace.
But the Tory party being what it is, we can be fairly confident they’re going to make the wrong choice. Again.
(Is Wallace even running??)
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I am no fan of Johnson. But the idea - as many on her claim - that he is doing Russian bidding is laughable given his actions and words.RochdalePioneers said:
Odd that on the day before he fell, he was caught confessing to flying off in secret to meet the KGB. Was fascinating as that exchange went on watching the aide behind him sit blank faced as he wrote a note and circled it then passed it to BlowJo who immediately shut up - as instructed?JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
We know there are major national security concerns about him and his circle. Some of us have been talking about the russian money and influence for a while - and now he's coughed. Another reason to get him out.
Lets assume that the Ukraine war heats up. Cool heads are needed. Is Johnson really the right man to be making decisions? The lame-duck PM is supposed to not make any policy decisions. That feels impossible when you consider what is going on in the world right now.
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The prospective candidates' ages.BartholomewRoberts said:
What are the numbers in the list? I don't have a paywall subscription.Sandpit said:DT going with the runners and riders:
[snip]
Have they missed anyone who might plausibly run?
Sunak will be pissed off to be listed as a tax and spender I bet.1 -
The Tories are heading for their own version of "because of Corbyn" versus "because Corbyn is gone" argument, aren't they?Scott_xP said:Tories in freefall in this week's Times poll - Labour *eleven* points ahead
CON 29 (-4)
LAB 40 (+1)
LIB DEM 15 (+2)
GREEN 6 (n/c)
REF UK 3 (-1)
Highest Labour score since January... highest Lib Dem rating of this parliament https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1545299367313260545/photo/12 -
Nothing important was occurring in Parliament.Big_G_NorthWales said:
While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at WimbledonStuartDickson said:
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
Not a good look
A VoNC has to be tabled so couldn't be heard before Monday anyway so I actually don't see the problem..0 -
It's not what I think. Johnson knows who his supporters are, and what they wanted. Brexit. And he's made it very clear that *his* Brexit is Brexit - not a softer version.noneoftheabove said:
Again, what makes you think a hard Brexiteer will create a positive legacy for Brexit? If anything, a soft, pragmatic Brexiteer, or even pragmatic ex Remainer is the only hope for a positive legacy.JosiasJessop said:
I get the *impression* that Johnson really cares about his legacy. Really, really cares. Being Mayor of London or PM was not about helping London or the country; it was about how brilliant he would appear in the future. This is why the way his time as PM appears to be ending will be so hard on him - although his own actions have made it far worse as he has shown a characteristic lack of dignity.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
And no need to interfere with that, the membership are still loony enough to strongly prefer those who are sound on Brexit anyway.0 -
Im sure plenty of Labour MPs are thinking thatMexicanpete said:
And I'll still be agreeing with Scott's Brexit analysis.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe you need to listen to the official opposition, maybe the next government whose policy is identical to the conservatives and rejects rejoining even the single market let alone the EUScott_xP said:
Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PMJosiasJessop said:He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
Looks as if you will be tweeting for years to come
The LOTO hasn't covered himself with glory in the last week. He was abysmal yesterday and his Brexit policy is failed Johnsonianism.
The FPN can't come soon enough.0 -
Let's see. I think if there's any obsession it's towards Boris, with the Daily Mail and Daily Express. And you, obvs.Leon said:
[...]Heathener said:
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.Leon said:
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with meHeathener said:Good morning everyone.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10993095/Boris-Johnson-set-net-fortune-leaves-office.html
His star has fallen. Now is the time for you to get over it.
The country is moving on. Thankfully.0 -
Mr. W, I remember that from the time. A wretched attempt to create a legacy by saddling the country with a rushed through target without any consideration of how to achieve it or how much it would cost - but that's a problem for the future and May didn't care to consider the answers.0
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As I have just said he and his wife were enjoying the Royal Box at Wimbledon while this was unfoldingMexicanpete said:
And I'll still be agreeing with Scott's Brexit analysis.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe you need to listen to the official opposition, maybe the next government whose policy is identical to the conservatives and rejects rejoining even the single market let alone the EUScott_xP said:
Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PMJosiasJessop said:He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
Looks as if you will be tweeting for years to come
The LOTO hasn't covered himself with glory in the last week. He was abysmal yesterday and his Brexit policy is failed Johnsonianism.
The FPN can't come soon enough.0 -
See as 1 example Bozo's statement that no financial matters can be agreed.BartholomewRoberts said:
We might not have a Parliament, but we have a caretaker government, that is very restricted by convention in what it can do. The Cabinet Manual goes into some details on this, it isn't business as usual.tlg86 said:
That's bollocks. We have a Prime Minister. We might not have a parliament, but that's another matter.BartholomewRoberts said:
There is such a thing. We have one every General Election.tlg86 said:Kay Burley is a moron. There is no such thing as a caretaker PM. James Cleverly offering to lay a bet on Johnson not going very amusing.
Which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for the current energy crisis....1 -
The incentives in Soviet Russia were somewhat different.OldKingCole said:
Kruschev worked for Stalin didn't he?Nigelb said:
Not in their interests given they all worked for him.Foxy said:
I think that he wouldn't want someone who trashes his legacy by doing a Kruschev on him. Someone who exposes all his sordid graft etc.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
The Tories are very good at whitewash.
I'd be very surprised if there's any appetite at all in the Tory party to examine their own dirty washing in public.
They haven't suddenly become a haven of morality.
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You and I have very different views probably on what a positive legacy entails, but how is a Remainer going to leave a positive legacy?noneoftheabove said:
Again, what makes you think a hard Brexiteer will create a positive legacy for Brexit? If anything, a soft, pragmatic Brexiteer, or even pragmatic ex Remainer is the only hope for a positive legacy.JosiasJessop said:
I get the *impression* that Johnson really cares about his legacy. Really, really cares. Being Mayor of London or PM was not about helping London or the country; it was about how brilliant he would appear in the future. This is why the way his time as PM appears to be ending will be so hard on him - although his own actions have made it far worse as he has shown a characteristic lack of dignity.noneoftheabove said:
That implies he has a preference for anyone other than Alexander Johnson. Doubtful he gives a shit really.JosiasJessop said:
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.RochdalePioneers said:The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
And no need to interfere with that, the membership are still loony enough to strongly prefer those who are sound on Brexit anyway.
Boris has set the right foundations for a positive Brexit. The UK is not aligned to the EU, so we can and will diverge and evolve in different directions in years to come.
Anyone who decides to "make Brexit work" by aligning Britain with Europe is basically just reversing the entire frigging point of Brexit. There's nothing positive in that, its entirely acting from a negative perspective.0 -
It's a very good look. Well done them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at WimbledonStuartDickson said:
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.IanB2 said:Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
Not a good look
Enjoying British summer. Showing they're normal. Whilst the tory party tears itself to shreds.
However, the fact that some tory sympathisers on here are starting to turn their ire on Labour and SKS is a sign that they are serious about winning again instead of focusing on removing the wicked clown from office.
Politics is about to return to more normality.0 -
Pretty withering assessment of Simon Case, the cabinet Secretary who will now have to contain Johnson for the next two months, as ex senior civil servant David Normington calls him ‘bystander at a car crash’ at times over recent months on R4Today
https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/15453030342505349131
