Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a piteous state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
This is why he will likely spend a lot of time in the US. They will love his act there. Blair has also spent a lot of time making money in countries other than Britain while being toxic in the UK. It doesn't matter that they have no British role when there's the world to monetize.
I wonder whether the next PM will make Johnson their Special Envoy to Ukraine. It would actually be slightly less ridiculous than Blair's appointment as a Middle East Peace Envoy.
There needs as a minimum, to be a proper handover with regard to Ukraine.
A lot of Ukranians are genuinely upset at Johnson’s departure - for all else we may think about him, he is beloved in Kiev for the UK military efforts of recent years.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a pigeons state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
He’ll go away, lick his wounds, earn some cash, get a few chat show/newspaper gigs and be remain the self centred, ambitious liar he always was. The interesting question is whether there is a comeback there like Trump. I wouldn’t put it past him or the Tory party to be led by Boris again.
He'll be thinking that Churchill had his Wilderness Years, and that he came back from his defeat in 1945.
And if the next couple of years are as bad as some economic projections suggest, "Life was better under Boris" may become a potent meme.
On the other hand, the Conservative party isn't as Johnsonned as the Republicans are Trumped. So there's hope.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
Major intervenes plenty, he's in the pretending to still have significance crowd. Camerons probably enjoying himself this he doesnt need to sell influence.
It won't happen as it's a new era, but I'd like to see May back in Cabinet. Ex PMs should be encouraged to stick around. Joe Root's time as captain was done but he is still a vital member of the team.
Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at Wimbledon
Not a good look
It's a very good look. Well done them.
Enjoying British summer. Showing they're normal. Whilst the tory party tears itself to shreds.
However, the fact that some tory sympathisers on here are starting to turn their ire on Labour and SKS is a sign that they are serious about winning again instead of focusing on removing the wicked clown from office.
Politics is about to return to more normality.
Tory opinion poll leads? 😉
Lol. I can't remember who is the bright spark who was recommending a bet on a Tory poll lead incoming, just recently?
Not I, is all I know!
Strangely a pollster on the radio suggested this morning that a new PM and cabinet could get a poll boost, but as far as I am concerned with 2 years or more to the next GE the conservative party needs to move on from Johnson, including sidelining his fanatics and govern with decency and integrity
We should open a book on how long it takes for you to resign from the Tories again. Par is about a year.
( if you detect some annoyance, it was because I had enjoyed you becoming less partisan. Snapping back to a true blue anti Labour person is a little sad. You seem tribally Tories, it in terms of values not so much.. you’ll never be Labour, but you’d be a happier LibDem I think)
Oh, I think we all knew that for all his huffing, Big G was always going to put his cross in the box maked Conservative next election.
Indeed. But you do get the impression it’s a tribal reflex, but in terms of values and interests he’s a Lib Dem. Funny thing politics.
It was fun on PB being all United temporarily (with honourable exception) in our opposition to Boris.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I know you will claim that as a joke but you, of course, won't see that it's the kind of vindictive personal comment that drags this place and the people who post here, down.
When you don't like someone else's point of view you always resort to ad hominem. You sneer at a person for some trait you think you have a right to expose.
I hope everyone else on here has a nice day xx
You’ve done it again. You’ve started an argument with personal abuse, and then, when it is returned, you can’t cope and you cry foul
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@Leon 'Leon' I was merely suggesting that the reason you are so upset and irate about Boris' decline is that it plays into your own fears. You wrote a book about sexual predation - we all know that - and you're now in your 60's and no longer the young stud you told the world about. Boris was in many ways your kind of man. You wrote an entire book about how to win women. You have frequently boasted about your sexual conquests with 'much' younger women, girls, teenagers.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
I think those trying to stir up public outrage about Boris staying on an extra few weeks during the leadership election are going to be disappointed. It's become modern convention to afford the outgoing PM the courtesy of being able to stick around while the new PM is chosen...
It seems to me a lot of the outrage and trying to get him to depart immediately is all about trying to humiliate Johnson as much as possible... but remember the British people are a fair-minded bunch most of the time. I doubt many of them want to see Johnson humiliated.
He's resigned and will be departing in due course. That will be enough for the majority IMO.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
A near apocalypse is perfect for Boris to make money.
In the event of an apocalyptic-size asteroid hurtling toward Earth, Boris will be pictured trying to blow it to smithereens. Saving the planet with a couple of megaton bombs is exactly the opportunity Boris was made for.
I too don't understand why we are having this argument. If the market pays Theresa May £120k per speech, then Boris is on at least 10 times that.
I wish it weren't so -- but Boris is about to become as rich as creosote. His life is actually just beginning.
It is we who have been left with tonnes of problems to sort out.
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
Let's face it @Scott_xP won't be happy until Boris is marched through the streets naked with nutters shouting "Shame, shame" behind him and the rotten fruit flying. It's a Brexit thing.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a pigeons state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
He’ll go away, lick his wounds, earn some cash, get a few chat show/newspaper gigs and be remain the self centred, ambitious liar he always was. The interesting question is whether there is a comeback there like Trump. I wouldn’t put it past him or the Tory party to be led by Boris again.
He'll be thinking that Churchill had his Wilderness Years, and that he came back from his defeat in 1945.
And if the next couple of years are as bad as some economic projections suggest, "Life was better under Boris" may become a potent meme.
On the other hand, the Conservative party isn't as Johnsonned as the Republicans are Trumped. So there's hope.
I’m pretty confident that some/many Tories will soon look back at the Boris era as the good old days. A rookie and relatively uncharacteristic leader trying to lead the Tories through an economic catastrophe could well be brutal.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Ms May over the kimchi? SKs, really?
Yes. Insane but yes. Buried in one of those linked articles about ex-prime-ministerial earnings
I noticed Carrie was looking radiant and happy as Boris gave his resignation speech. Quite curious. Perhaps it is true she hates Number 10… and perhaps she is now looking forward to a stress free life of enormous wealth, not having to worry about tomorrow’s papers, and jetting off everywhere in high style
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
There are major decisions that need to be made before September - that is too long for a caretaker government without decision making powers.
I suspect we will see a vote of no confidence, a lot of Tory MPs having dental work and a very quick leadership election without a members vote.
What major decisions need to be made before September?
Parliament will be in recess within a fortnight, no major decisions are ever typically made during the silly season of August anyway.
Someone should have a stern word with the Governor of the Bank of England, and there's a bunch of things that should be done in the months remaining before winter to prepare for, or avoid, a shortage of gas.
Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at Wimbledon
Not a good look
It's a very good look. Well done them.
Enjoying British summer. Showing they're normal. Whilst the tory party tears itself to shreds.
However, the fact that some tory sympathisers on here are starting to turn their ire on Labour and SKS is a sign that they are serious about winning again instead of focusing on removing the wicked clown from office.
Politics is about to return to more normality.
Starmer had every right to enjoy Wimbledon.
He should have made a significantly better fist of the earlier pool presser, where he was Boris Johnson poor, and repetitive. Listen to it in its entirety.
Should the FPN arrive, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't know too much about Streeting, but Nandy would be less tongue tied than Starmer. I'd love "oroight bab" Jess to be LOTO.
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
There are major decisions that need to be made before September - that is too long for a caretaker government without decision making powers.
I suspect we will see a vote of no confidence, a lot of Tory MPs having dental work and a very quick leadership election without a members vote.
What major decisions need to be made before September?
Parliament will be in recess within a fortnight, no major decisions are ever typically made during the silly season of August anyway.
Why take the risk if one should be needed? Boris and co were objecting to him going at all because now is not the time, but the party disagreed with that and could take the view 1 minute longer than necessary is too much.
I think the steam has gone out of the rebels though. Now he's been mortally wounded they dont want to do more.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a pigeons state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
He’ll go away, lick his wounds, earn some cash, get a few chat show/newspaper gigs and be remain the self centred, ambitious liar he always was. The interesting question is whether there is a comeback there like Trump. I wouldn’t put it past him or the Tory party to be led by Boris again.
He'll be thinking that Churchill had his Wilderness Years, and that he came back from his defeat in 1945.
And if the next couple of years are as bad as some economic projections suggest, "Life was better under Boris" may become a potent meme.
On the other hand, the Conservative party isn't as Johnsonned as the Republicans are Trumped. So there's hope.
I’m pretty confident that some/many Tories will soon look back at the Boris era as the good old days. A rookie and relatively uncharacteristic leader trying to lead the Tories through an economic catastrophe could well be brutal.
You mean Boris could do for the Tories what Lloyd George did for the Liberals?
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Ms May over the kimchi? SKs, really?
Yes. Insane but yes. Buried in one of those linked articles about ex-prime-ministerial earnings
I noticed Carrie was looking radiant and happy as Boris gave his resignation speech. Quite curious. Perhaps it is true she hates Number 10… and perhaps she is now looking forward to a stress free life of enormous wealth, not having to worry about tomorrow’s papers, and jetting off everywhere in high style
Thanks. Did wonder if that was literally true or simply rhetorical hyperbole, like the penguins on S. Georgia thanking Mrs T.
Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at Wimbledon
Not a good look
It's a very good look. Well done them.
Enjoying British summer. Showing they're normal. Whilst the tory party tears itself to shreds.
However, the fact that some tory sympathisers on here are starting to turn their ire on Labour and SKS is a sign that they are serious about winning again instead of focusing on removing the wicked clown from office.
Politics is about to return to more normality.
Tory opinion poll leads? 😉
Lol. I can't remember who is the bright spark who was recommending a bet on a Tory poll lead incoming, just recently?
Not I, is all I know!
Strangely a pollster on the radio suggested this morning that a new PM and cabinet could get a poll boost, but as far as I am concerned with 2 years or more to the next GE the conservative party needs to move on from Johnson, including sidelining his fanatics and govern with decency and integrity
We should open a book on how long it takes for you to resign from the Tories again. Par is about a year.
( if you detect some annoyance, it was because I had enjoyed you becoming less partisan. Snapping back to a true blue anti Labour person is a little sad. You seem tribally Tories, it in terms of values not so much.. you’ll never be Labour, but you’d be a happier LibDem I think)
I will not be resigning now Johnson has gone, and I have made no secret that I have been a conservative throughout my life, actively supporting the party and being campaign driver for both the late Wyn Roberts and David Jones MP
I have been Labour when I voted for Blair in 97 and 01 and by voting Labour I have been corruscated by @HYUFD as a part time supporter and lacking purity
I would venture to suggest I am not the only poster on here to rejoin the party
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a piteous state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
This is why he will likely spend a lot of time in the US. They will love his act there. Blair has also spent a lot of time making money in countries other than Britain while being toxic in the UK. It doesn't matter that they have no British role when there's the world to monetize.
I wonder whether the next PM will make Johnson their Special Envoy to Ukraine. It would actually be slightly less ridiculous than Blair's appointment as a Middle East Peace Envoy.
There needs as a minimum, to be a proper handover with regard to Ukraine.
A lot of Ukranians are genuinely upset at Johnson’s departure - for all else we may think about him, he is beloved in Kiev for the UK military efforts of recent years.
They might be but don’t need to worry . The UKs Ukraine policy will remain the same regardless of who is in no 10.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
I think those trying to stir up public outrage about Boris staying on an extra few weeks during the leadership election are going to be disappointed. It's become modern convention to afford the outgoing PM the courtesy of being able to stick around while the new PM is chosen...
It seems to me a lot of the outrage and trying to get him to depart immediately is all about trying to humiliate Johnson as much as possible... but remember the British people are a fair-minded bunch most of the time. I doubt many of them want to see Johnson humiliated.
He's resigned and will be departing in due course. That will be enough for the majority IMO.
The 1922 should speed things up as much as possible though. Whether it's Raab or Boris as caretaker in for as short a time as possible with so much going on. The permanent replacement should be as soon as possible, I think the members ballot could be sped up to something like 3 weeks. A week to print and distribute the ballots, 1 week for the members to decide, 1 week to allow ballots to come back. Declarations Monday, first round of MPs voting wednesday. Total time ~ 5 weeks.
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
Let's face it @Scott_xP won't be happy until Boris is marched through the streets naked with nutters shouting "Shame, shame" behind him and the rotten fruit flying. It's a Brexit thing.
I don't know how Scott has managed to stay so bitter for so long. I'd find it all too tiring.
Hopefully with Boris's downfall Mr P will soon be able to find some peace at last...
Have a lovely day everyone. Well done again @OldKingCole on your momentous anniversary.
xx
A kindly word as you leave - and I mean this sincerely - you have said in the past that personalized arguments on here leave you “trembling with fear”. That’s not nice. No one wants that for you
In which case, if you don’t like personalized arguments, DON’T START THEM. It’s not hard. Don’t begin the day with a rant explicitly aimed at another PB-er
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
Major intervenes plenty, he's in the pretending to still have significance crowd. Camerons probably enjoying himself this he doesnt need to sell influence.
It won't happen as it's a new era, but I'd like to see May back in Cabinet. Ex PMs should be encouraged to stick around. Joe Root's time as captain was done but he is still a vital member of the team.
Weird typos and auto correct today. Meant to be that Cameron probably enjoying himself as he doesnt need to seem influential. I'm sure he would be happy to sell influence, quietly.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a piteous state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
This is why he will likely spend a lot of time in the US. They will love his act there. Blair has also spent a lot of time making money in countries other than Britain while being toxic in the UK. It doesn't matter that they have no British role when there's the world to monetize.
I wonder whether the next PM will make Johnson their Special Envoy to Ukraine. It would actually be slightly less ridiculous than Blair's appointment as a Middle East Peace Envoy.
The trade envoy to Morocco position is vacant, the last I heard?
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a piteous state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
This is why he will likely spend a lot of time in the US. They will love his act there. Blair has also spent a lot of time making money in countries other than Britain while being toxic in the UK. It doesn't matter that they have no British role when there's the world to monetize.
I wonder whether the next PM will make Johnson their Special Envoy to Ukraine. It would actually be slightly less ridiculous than Blair's appointment as a Middle East Peace Envoy.
There needs as a minimum, to be a proper handover with regard to Ukraine.
A lot of Ukranians are genuinely upset at Johnson’s departure - for all else we may think about him, he is beloved in Kiev for the UK military efforts of recent years.
They might be but don’t need to worry . The UKs Ukraine policy will remain the same regardless of who is in no 10.
Of course, another reason might be that the Ukes are the only other nation in the world who have a comedian as leader, only the other way round, as already noted on here passim.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Not sure Starmer is thinking here, trying to no-confidence a government with a 76-seat majority, over an internal party matter, a matter which the Tories are now in the process of resolving themselves.
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
A near apocalypse is perfect for Boris to make money.
In the event of an apocalyptic-size asteroid hurtling toward Earth, Boris will be pictured trying to blow it to smithereens. Saving the planet with a couple of megaton bombs is exactly the opportunity Boris was made for.
I too don't understand why we are having this argument. If the market pays Theresa May £120k per speech, then Boris is on at least 10 times that.
I wish it weren't so -- but Boris is about to become as rich as creosote. His life is actually just beginning.
It is we who have been left with tonnes of problems to sort out.
I think he will end like this creosote, with just a wafer thin mint.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
I think those trying to stir up public outrage about Boris staying on an extra few weeks during the leadership election are going to be disappointed. It's become modern convention to afford the outgoing PM the courtesy of being able to stick around while the new PM is chosen...
It seems to me a lot of the outrage and trying to get him to depart immediately is all about trying to humiliate Johnson as much as possible... but remember the British people are a fair-minded bunch most of the time. I doubt many of them want to see Johnson humiliated.
He's resigned and will be departing in due course. That will be enough for the majority IMO.
The 1922 should speed things up as much as possible though. Whether it's Raab or Boris as caretaker in for as short a time as possible with so much going on. I don't think it matters who does the role.
Oh yes of course.
They should change the rules so that only serious candidates with like 25 MP's backing them can stand. That will remove all of the timewasters straight the way...
He will want his legacy to be cemented; and that means having a successor who will not dismantle the little he has achieved (although to be fair, Covid and Ukraine got in the way). And that little is Brexit.
He will therefore want a hard Brexiteer in charge. And his track record indicates he will interfere to get one.
Brexit will be dismantled by reality, whoever is the next Tory PM
Maybe you need to listen to the official opposition, maybe the next government whose policy is identical to the conservatives and rejects rejoining even the single market let alone the EU
Looks as if you will be tweeting for years to come
And I'll still be agreeing with Scott's Brexit analysis.
The LOTO hasn't covered himself with glory in the last week. He was abysmal yesterday and his Brexit policy is failed Johnsonianism.
The FPN can't come soon enough.
As I have just said he and his wife were enjoying the Royal Box at Wimbledon while this was unfolding
Why shouldn't he go to Wimbledon? There was nothing he could do whilst Johnson hanged himself and the Conservative Party as he watched tennis. It suggested an air of confidence.
I was alluding to his statement and questions session in the morning which was tongue tied and lacklustre.
Labour risks getting itself into a pickle over this confidence vote?
One of the oddest aspects of this drama is the quiet incompetence of Her Majesty’s Opposition.
People expecting better governance anytime soon are deluded. Both the New Brexit Revolutionary Party and the Labour Party are unfit for purpose.
While this was panning out yesterday Starmer and his wife were enjoying hospitality in the Royal Box at Wimbledon
Not a good look
It's a very good look. Well done them.
Enjoying British summer. Showing they're normal. Whilst the tory party tears itself to shreds.
However, the fact that some tory sympathisers on here are starting to turn their ire on Labour and SKS is a sign that they are serious about winning again instead of focusing on removing the wicked clown from office.
Politics is about to return to more normality.
Tory opinion poll leads? 😉
Lol. I can't remember who is the bright spark who was recommending a bet on a Tory poll lead incoming, just recently?
Not I, is all I know!
Strangely a pollster on the radio suggested this morning that a new PM and cabinet could get a poll boost, but as far as I am concerned with 2 years or more to the next GE the conservative party needs to move on from Johnson, including sidelining his fanatics and govern with decency and integrity
We should open a book on how long it takes for you to resign from the Tories again. Par is about a year.
( if you detect some annoyance, it was because I had enjoyed you becoming less partisan. Snapping back to a true blue anti Labour person is a little sad. You seem tribally Tories, it in terms of values not so much.. you’ll never be Labour, but you’d be a happier LibDem I think)
I will not be resigning now Johnson has gone, and I have made no secret that I have been a conservative throughout my life, actively supporting the party and being campaign driver for both the late Wyn Roberts and David Jones MP
I have been Labour when I voted for Blair in 97 and 01 and by voting Labour I have been corruscated by @HYUFD as a part time supporter and lacking purity
I would venture to suggest I am not the only poster on here to rejoin the party
Politics is never boring
And, at least as a matter of expediency our Epping friend once voted PC!
Edit. Mildly humorous thought; I'm having to dictate this to the computer because my hands aren't working properly. 'Epping' in my original draft came out as 'effing'!
The morning after the night before. The challenge now for the '22 is how to remove him. Given everything that has gone on they are increasingly and acutely aware of just how dangerous an idea it is to leave him in office.
Question - has he actually resigned as Conservative party leader? He didn't mention the r-word at all. Just that a leadership contest would take place. So do the '22 threaten to remove the whip?
One of my fears is that he will use his presence as PM to interfere with the leadership election, to get someone he strongly favours into the job. He needs to keep his nose right out of it - but being Boris, he will not.
Odd that on the day before he fell, he was caught confessing to flying off in secret to meet the KGB. Was fascinating as that exchange went on watching the aide behind him sit blank faced as he wrote a note and circled it then passed it to BlowJo who immediately shut up - as instructed?
We know there are major national security concerns about him and his circle. Some of us have been talking about the russian money and influence for a while - and now he's coughed. Another reason to get him out.
Lets assume that the Ukraine war heats up. Cool heads are needed. Is Johnson really the right man to be making decisions? The lame-duck PM is supposed to not make any policy decisions. That feels impossible when you consider what is going on in the world right now.
I am no fan of Johnson. But the idea - as many on her claim - that he is doing Russian bidding is laughable given his actions and words.
(BTW, I want Johnson to leave No.10 immediately.)
Where did I say he was doing their bidding? He clearly isn't at the moment. But as we know, it is a major security risk to have someone as senior and as indebted as the Prime Minister in hock to money that is being channelled through so many ex-KGB and ex-Putin people.
If it was all above board he would have met them openly. If there was no security risk then why did JIC say there was a major security risk in appointing Lord Lebedev of Siberia?
If it was a Labour person in this situation you know what your reaction would be. You wouldn't find it laughable would you? So I always try and apply the same rules and standards for everyone.
IMV it's just Boris being Boris: The rules don't apply to him. Yet again I refer the board to the report into the Garden Bridge. And it's a blooming stupid attitude for him to have, given how it can look. But just yesterday we had people insinuating that he was somehow doing Russia's bidding - which I think is faintly ridiculous. But the accusations can be thrown at him because he's stupid enough to think the rules don't apply to him.
As for your last sentence: I'm unsure that's quite true. Remember Durham? ...
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
A near apocalypse is perfect for Boris to make money.
In the event of an apocalyptic-size asteroid hurtling toward Earth, Boris will be pictured trying to blow it to smithereens. Saving the planet with a couple of megaton bombs is exactly the opportunity Boris was made for.
I too don't understand why we are having this argument. If the market pays Theresa May £120k per speech, then Boris is on at least 10 times that.
I wish it weren't so -- but Boris is about to become as rich as creosote. His life is actually just beginning.
It is we who have been left with tonnes of problems to sort out.
I think he will end like this creosote, with just a wafer thin mint.
Have a lovely day everyone. Well done again @OldKingCole on your momentous anniversary.
xx
A kindly word as you leave - and I mean this sincerely - you have said in the past that personalized arguments on here leave you “trembling with fear”. That’s not nice. No one wants that for you
In which case, if you don’t like personalized arguments, DON’T START THEM. It’s not hard. Don’t begin the day with a rant explicitly aimed at another PB-er
Then your life will be calmer. Enjoy your day
Yebbut she was bang to rights with her dying of the light post. Mate there are many of us on here who are in similar positions ok not quite as old as you but you know, on the way.
And there is much in what she wrote that is probably right about you.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Not sure Starmer is thinking here, trying to no-confidence a government with a 76-seat majority, over an internal party matter, a matter which the Tories are now in the process of resolving themselves.
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
He’s trying to get “Your Conservative candidate Bufton-Tufton voted to back disgraced Boris” on every election flier at the next GE. He surely can’t be under any illusions that the VONC will succeed.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Still struggling with it. I could get a much better speaker than May for a tenth of the price. Why didn't my customers ask for these speakers? Many of the organisations I represented were as big as they get and it was at board level. Not one requested a top politician and each event would have an audience of about 100 organisations.
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
This isn't whistling at a dog that's running towards you. It's whistling at a dog that's arrived. It just looks weird because the playing politics couldn't be much more obvious and the substance of the matter much more bizarre.
Will be interesting to see how Tory leadership contenders navigate between public appetite for change of course and Daily Mail insistence on exactly the same course because there was nothing wrong with the old course, dammit. https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1545151702612975618
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a piteous state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
This is why he will likely spend a lot of time in the US. They will love his act there. Blair has also spent a lot of time making money in countries other than Britain while being toxic in the UK. It doesn't matter that they have no British role when there's the world to monetize.
I wonder whether the next PM will make Johnson their Special Envoy to Ukraine. It would actually be slightly less ridiculous than Blair's appointment as a Middle East Peace Envoy.
There needs as a minimum, to be a proper handover with regard to Ukraine.
A lot of Ukranians are genuinely upset at Johnson’s departure - for all else we may think about him, he is beloved in Kiev for the UK military efforts of recent years.
They might be but don’t need to worry . The UKs Ukraine policy will remain the same regardless of who is in no 10.
I wouldn't be quite so sure about that - small changes in policy can have rather major effects on the ground. Even words matter greatly. Johnson has been 100% firm in saying that Ukraine should not be forced to cede territory, and that has caused problems for others (cough) Germany, where lots of people are thinking about the money that may be saved if this inconvenient war ends quickly.
A PM coming in and being slightly less unequivocal about that might hurt the international consensus that Ukraine should be helped to fight.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Still struggling with it. I could get a much better speaker than May for a tenth of the price. Why didn't my customers ask for these speakers? Many of the organisations I represented were as big as they get and it was at board level. Not one requested a top politician and each event would have an audience of about 100 organisations.
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
Interesting. Is Mr J good with heckling? That's a vital attribute if he is developing his career as stand-up comedian further.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a pigeons state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
He’ll go away, lick his wounds, earn some cash, get a few chat show/newspaper gigs and be remain the self centred, ambitious liar he always was. The interesting question is whether there is a comeback there like Trump. I wouldn’t put it past him or the Tory party to be led by Boris again.
He'll be thinking that Churchill had his Wilderness Years, and that he came back from his defeat in 1945.
And if the next couple of years are as bad as some economic projections suggest, "Life was better under Boris" may become a potent meme.
On the other hand, the Conservative party isn't as Johnsonned as the Republicans are Trumped. So there's hope.
I’m pretty confident that some/many Tories will soon look back at the Boris era as the good old days. A rookie and relatively uncharacteristic leader trying to lead the Tories through an economic catastrophe could well be brutal.
It's hilarious how your attack lines turn on the head of a pin.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Not sure Starmer is thinking here, trying to no-confidence a government with a 76-seat majority, over an internal party matter, a matter which the Tories are now in the process of resolving themselves.
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
He’s trying to get “Your Conservative candidate Bufton-Tufton voted to back disgraced Boris” on every election flier at the next GE. He surely can’t be under any illusions that the VONC will succeed.
And if enough Tories abstain so that the vote is carried?
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Yes and no. Yes, that is why Theresa May is paid sackfuls of cash. But no, serious-minded business types are not going to pay Boris for Peppa Pig World speeches. Look how badly his schtick went down at the CBI. That is why Boris's future lies in America not the Far East.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I know you will claim that as a joke but you, of course, won't see that it's the kind of vindictive personal comment that drags this place and the people who post here, down.
When you don't like someone else's point of view you always resort to ad hominem. You sneer at a person for some trait you think you have a right to expose.
I hope everyone else on here has a nice day xx
You’ve done it again. You’ve started an argument with personal abuse, and then, when it is returned, you can’t cope and you cry foul
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@Leon 'Leon' I was merely suggesting that the reason you are so upset and irate about Boris' decline is that it plays into your own fears. You wrote a book about sexual predation - we all know that - and you're now in your 60's and no longer the young stud you told the world about. Boris was in many ways your kind of man. You wrote an entire book about how to win women. You have frequently boasted about your sexual conquests with 'much' younger women, girls, teenagers.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
Whatever. If you don’t want a fight, don’t start them. If I am some ageing man crazed with existential angst (hint: I’m not); you’re like a whining four-year-old. Grow up
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
I do not take either those publications as the arbiter of the next leader
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
I do not take either those publications as the arbiter of the next leader
Er, who's buying them if not Tory Party members and voters?
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Not sure Starmer is thinking here, trying to no-confidence a government with a 76-seat majority, over an internal party matter, a matter which the Tories are now in the process of resolving themselves.
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
He’s trying to get “Your Conservative candidate Bufton-Tufton voted to back disgraced Boris” on every election flier at the next GE. He surely can’t be under any illusions that the VONC will succeed.
There is no downside to the policy.
Everyone who votes for Boris can be attacked at the next election campaign as supporting a liar / crook / (based on Wednesday's revelation, possibly) a traitor. And if they don't vote for Boris Labour will have ensured Boris goes quicker - again a win for Labour because the Tory party couldn't get rid of him.
+ there is always a risk that Boris does a reverse ferret when all the Tory MPs vote for him and he just stays in place..
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
I do not take either those publications as the arbiter of the next leader
Er, who's buying them if not Tory Party members and voters?
The conservative mps will be the arbiter of the two going forward and I have every expectation they will make the right choice
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
There are major decisions that need to be made before September - that is too long for a caretaker government without decision making powers.
I suspect we will see a vote of no confidence, a lot of Tory MPs having dental work and a very quick leadership election without a members vote.
What major decisions need to be made before September?
Parliament will be in recess within a fortnight, no major decisions are ever typically made during the silly season of August anyway.
That is dangerously complacent, apart from the Ukranian war, there is going to be airport chaos again next week when schools break up, more strikes and ballots, and a looming cost of living crisis growing.
Certainly there is a need for thorough scrutiny of the opportunists applying to be PM, and that shouldn't be hurried. Better to choose wisely rather than hastily, but there needs to be an interim PM rather than someone with grudges and a cabinet of numpties.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
I do not take either those publications as the arbiter of the next leader
Er, who's buying them if not Tory Party members and voters?
The conservative mps will be the arbiter of the two going forward and I have every expectation they will make the right choice
Er, largely the same chaps and chapesses who put Mr J. forward. Slight problem with judgement there.
On top, your regular reminder that the newspapers follow the prejudices of their readers; they don't lead them. They are a product selling to a customer base like any other.
Think who buys the Daily Mail and Daily Express these days, and you have your answer.
That's very true, though what does it say about Mail readers that the Express has come out with a dignified front page while the Mail has gone full tonto?
On top, your regular reminder that the newspapers follow the prejudices of their readers; they don't lead them. They are a product selling to a customer base like any other.
Think who buys the Daily Mail and Daily Express these days, and you have your answer.
Unfortunately for the rest of us it is elderly, out of touch Mail and Express readers that form the majority of the tiny selectorate that gets to decide who the next PM will be.
If the next few weeks does need resolving, could it be done in house.
Boris is no longer Conservative party leader, so he cannot be VONCed as that.
Could the 1922 process include (a) a committee or MPs vote on whether to elect an interrim party leader (b) an interrim leadership election done by the MPs only and disbarring any MP who stands for the permanent leadership.
The two processes could run parallel
In-house mechanisms, should they want to, can be made available to avoid backing Boris, or not, in a commons VONC.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I wonder if that is because Major is the only one who wasn't an egomaniac who burned themselves out on a pyre of their own vanity?
May apparently makes 120K for giving not especially long speeches. Per time. Let that sink in - a speech by May is 120 grand.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
He will mint it and milk it in the short term, but now has nothing left to live for. He will spaff the money away on an expensive divorce or two, grow increasingly unkempt and seedy and then drink himself into a pigeons state.
No one wants an ex PM. It is a British fact that there is no role.
He’ll go away, lick his wounds, earn some cash, get a few chat show/newspaper gigs and be remain the self centred, ambitious liar he always was. The interesting question is whether there is a comeback there like Trump. I wouldn’t put it past him or the Tory party to be led by Boris again.
He'll be thinking that Churchill had his Wilderness Years, and that he came back from his defeat in 1945.
And if the next couple of years are as bad as some economic projections suggest, "Life was better under Boris" may become a potent meme.
On the other hand, the Conservative party isn't as Johnsonned as the Republicans are Trumped. So there's hope.
I’m pretty confident that some/many Tories will soon look back at the Boris era as the good old days. A rookie and relatively uncharacteristic leader trying to lead the Tories through an economic catastrophe could well be brutal.
It's hilarious how your attack lines turn on the head of a pin.
It's true though, isn't it? The "tragedy" (actually hilarious and thoroughly deserved) of the Tories was that they were screwed if they kept him and screwed if they didn't. We are now in the latter scenario. Assuming he does actually go of course.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I know you will claim that as a joke but you, of course, won't see that it's the kind of vindictive personal comment that drags this place and the people who post here, down.
When you don't like someone else's point of view you always resort to ad hominem. You sneer at a person for some trait you think you have a right to expose.
I hope everyone else on here has a nice day xx
You’ve done it again. You’ve started an argument with personal abuse, and then, when it is returned, you can’t cope and you cry foul
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@Leon 'Leon' I was merely suggesting that the reason you are so upset and irate about Boris' decline is that it plays into your own fears. You wrote a book about sexual predation - we all know that - and you're now in your 60's and no longer the young stud you told the world about. Boris was in many ways your kind of man. You wrote an entire book about how to win women. You have frequently boasted about your sexual conquests with 'much' younger women, girls, teenagers.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
If I am some ageing man crazed with existential angst (hint: I’m not)
You are a bit. Everyone is. Great art can often be produced upon that realisation.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
I do not take either those publications as the arbiter of the next leader
Er, who's buying them if not Tory Party members and voters?
The conservative mps will be the arbiter of the two going forward and I have every expectation they will make the right choice
Er, largely the same chaps and chapesses who put Mr J. forward. Slight problem with judgement there.
I am not sure how you come to that conclusion after just 60 mps were left in the Johnson camp
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Still struggling with it. I could get a much better speaker than May for a tenth of the price. Why didn't my customers ask for these speakers? Many of the organisations I represented were as big as they get and it was at board level. Not one requested a top politician and each event would have an audience of about 100 organisations.
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
I struggle with it. Theresa bloody May? £125,000, for a single speech??
I’ve also thought about it and I am sure my answer is part of the solution to this puzzle. Star quality. This must be particularly true for those organising the speeches. They get to meet the ex PM one-on-one, negotiate a deal, that’s a LOT of impressive anecdotes to share with others. That must drive the price
I’ve heard that this is one reason political memoirs by major political figures get such huge deals. The publishers want to hang out with ex prime ministers, get him to their parties, look big and powerful, and the top editors want it in their CVs - “edited Tony Blair’s memoirs”
Again: it all drives the price up. And Boris’ price will be notably bigger than Theresa’s
This isn't whistling at a dog that's running towards you. It's whistling at a dog that's arrived. It just looks weird because the playing politics couldn't be much more obvious and the substance of the matter much more bizarre.
Oh indeed. It might make sense if yesterday’s announcement had not ben made, but even then every single Tory MP is going to vote for the government in a Labour motion.
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
There are major decisions that need to be made before September - that is too long for a caretaker government without decision making powers.
I suspect we will see a vote of no confidence, a lot of Tory MPs having dental work and a very quick leadership election without a members vote.
What major decisions need to be made before September?
Parliament will be in recess within a fortnight, no major decisions are ever typically made during the silly season of August anyway.
That is dangerously complacent, apart from the Ukranian war, there is going to be airport chaos again next week when schools break up, more strikes and ballots, and a looming cost of living crisis growing.
Certainly there is a need for thorough scrutiny of the opportunists applying to be PM, and that shouldn't be hurried. Better to choose wisely rather than hastily, but there needs to be an interim PM rather than someone with grudges and a cabinet of numpties.
Absolutely there are long term issues to resolve, but all the more important not to screw it up and get the wrong leader in.
Forced choice which would you prefer (a) Boris goes one week sooner, dreadful new PM elected. (b) Boris goes one week later, excellent new PM elected.
Boris isn't even a lame duck, he's a crispy, aromatic duck that has been shredded completely. What matters most is getting the choice for the next few years right.
Why shouldn't people be furious at Boris for being a lying scumbag. I am furious at myself and the Labour Party for making me vote for him.
Those who didn't vote for him have every right to rage unbridled against someone who fundamentally tarnished the role of PM of the UK, was not contrite, nor apologetic and has seen every single action and event since his schooldays (so his peers tell me) through the prism of how it can help him and him alone and it matters not who gets burned along the way.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
In any case, the new Tory leader may be an even more extreme Brexiter. Just look at the DM and DE.
Well, "events, dear boy, events", and in particular a major league set of economic problems which are incoming, will rather limit the freedom of action of the more foam-flecked Brexiters. The DM & DE will discover, just like the rest of us, that the price for failing to pay attention in the economics class is simply too high for the country to pay.
SKS has already put forward some pragmatic post-Brexit policies (not ones I beleive in or support, but still good politics) and there clearly is a temptation amongst the majority of the Conservatives to outflank this and continue to pursue a more ideological position on Brexit. However, the freedom of action is simply not going to be there. So, if the next Tory leader does not wish to be merely the latest to be destroyed by Europe, there will have to be a dialling down.
Apart from anything else, the popularity of Brexit in general (never mind the extreme Brexit positions of most Tories) is falling off a rock. If Brexit gets the blame for the increasingly precarious position of UK PLC, then being left holding that baby will have fatal electoral consequences.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I know you will claim that as a joke but you, of course, won't see that it's the kind of vindictive personal comment that drags this place and the people who post here, down.
When you don't like someone else's point of view you always resort to ad hominem. You sneer at a person for some trait you think you have a right to expose.
I hope everyone else on here has a nice day xx
You’ve done it again. You’ve started an argument with personal abuse, and then, when it is returned, you can’t cope and you cry foul
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@Leon 'Leon' I was merely suggesting that the reason you are so upset and irate about Boris' decline is that it plays into your own fears. You wrote a book about sexual predation - we all know that - and you're now in your 60's and no longer the young stud you told the world about. Boris was in many ways your kind of man. You wrote an entire book about how to win women. You have frequently boasted about your sexual conquests with 'much' younger women, girls, teenagers.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
If I am some ageing man crazed with existential angst (hint: I’m not)
You are a bit. Everyone is. Great art can often be produced upon that realisation.
Yes, everyone is.
But Leon could try a little harder not to exemplify the flaws in human nature that have so often enabled charismatic evil dictators.
We’ve not really seen a lot of rumours on the various runners and riders yet (aside from no hopers like Suella). Feels very calm before the storm. I am assuming they are waiting for a big beast to declare to get the whole thing moving.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Still struggling with it. I could get a much better speaker than May for a tenth of the price. Why didn't my customers ask for these speakers? Many of the organisations I represented were as big as they get and it was at board level. Not one requested a top politician and each event would have an audience of about 100 organisations.
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
I struggle with it. Theresa bloody May? £125,000, for a single speech??
I’ve also thought about it and I am sure my answer is part of the solution to this puzzle. Star quality. This must be particularly true for those organising the speeches. They get to meet the ex PM one-on-one, negotiate a deal, that’s a LOT of impressive anecdotes to share with others. That must drive the price
I’ve heard that this is one reason political memoirs by major political figures get such huge deals. The publishers want to hang out with ex prime ministers, get him to their parties, look big and powerful, and the top editors want it in their CVs - “edited Tony Blair’s memoirs”
Again: it all drives the price up. And Boris’ price will be notably bigger than Theresa’s
There have always been folk with more money than sense, and the rich are such social climbers that I am sure that they boast like you do.
It won't be a great look though while Britons freeze through a cost of living crisis and Winter of Discontent.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Still struggling with it. I could get a much better speaker than May for a tenth of the price. Why didn't my customers ask for these speakers? Many of the organisations I represented were as big as they get and it was at board level. Not one requested a top politician and each event would have an audience of about 100 organisations.
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
Interesting. Is Mr J good with heckling? That's a vital attribute if he is developing his career as stand-up comedian further.
At most events I booked 2 speakers. One to speak at the conference and one as an after dinner speaker. They were different types of speakers.
Good question re hecklers. My customers were well behaved, but after dinner you never know.
I do wonder if the events ex-pms speak at are very different to the ones I organised. Mine had a purpose. Not sure the purpose of a CBI conference. Networking? Networking was key at mine, but I suspect for different ends.
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Not sure Starmer is thinking here, trying to no-confidence a government with a 76-seat majority, over an internal party matter, a matter which the Tories are now in the process of resolving themselves.
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
He’s trying to get “Your Conservative candidate Bufton-Tufton voted to back disgraced Boris” on every election flier at the next GE. He surely can’t be under any illusions that the VONC will succeed.
There is no downside to the policy.
Everyone who votes for Boris can be attacked at the next election campaign as supporting a liar / crook / (based on Wednesday's revelation, possibly) a traitor. And if they don't vote for Boris Labour will have ensured Boris goes quicker - again a win for Labour because the Tory party couldn't get rid of him.
+ there is always a risk that Boris does a reverse ferret when all the Tory MPs vote for him and he just stays in place..
Actually, the Tories acted reasonably promptly. It was obvious after Party-gate that it was over for Boris. 8 months later, he is gone.
I think December 2021 is the fair starting point -- prior to that, Boris was (like it or not) an enormous asset to his party in terms of vote-getting. It was only after December things started to change. So, it took 8 months. I'd say that was not too bad.
Now, of course, this is not as efficient as say the Australian Labor Party and their famous 'spills' to get rid of deadweight leaders. It would have taken them 8 weeks.
But, it is a darned sight more efficient than the UK Labour Party.
It was obvious after the Iraq War that it was over for Tony. When did Labour finally get rid of him? Maybe if Tony had been despatched rather more promptly, then Labour would not have spent so long in opposition.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
I think even in the light of the FPN, he does. It is his poor judgement and lacklustre performances that concern me.
If when the absolute imperative had arisen and the only two chaperones available to escort your daughter were Johnson or Starmer with no other alternative action available, which one would you have selected for your own peace of mind?
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I know you will claim that as a joke but you, of course, won't see that it's the kind of vindictive personal comment that drags this place and the people who post here, down.
When you don't like someone else's point of view you always resort to ad hominem. You sneer at a person for some trait you think you have a right to expose.
I hope everyone else on here has a nice day xx
You’ve done it again. You’ve started an argument with personal abuse, and then, when it is returned, you can’t cope and you cry foul
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@Leon 'Leon' I was merely suggesting that the reason you are so upset and irate about Boris' decline is that it plays into your own fears. You wrote a book about sexual predation - we all know that - and you're now in your 60's and no longer the young stud you told the world about. Boris was in many ways your kind of man. You wrote an entire book about how to win women. You have frequently boasted about your sexual conquests with 'much' younger women, girls, teenagers.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
If I am some ageing man crazed with existential angst (hint: I’m not)
You are a bit. Everyone is. Great art can often be produced upon that realisation.
Yes, everyone is.
But Leon could try a little harder not to exemplify the flaws in human nature that have so often enabled charismatic evil dictators.
Let us not criticise. Everyone copes in the way they cope. Leon is no different.
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
There are major decisions that need to be made before September - that is too long for a caretaker government without decision making powers.
I suspect we will see a vote of no confidence, a lot of Tory MPs having dental work and a very quick leadership election without a members vote.
What major decisions need to be made before September?
Parliament will be in recess within a fortnight, no major decisions are ever typically made during the silly season of August anyway.
That is dangerously complacent, apart from the Ukranian war, there is going to be airport chaos again next week when schools break up, more strikes and ballots, and a looming cost of living crisis growing.
Certainly there is a need for thorough scrutiny of the opportunists applying to be PM, and that shouldn't be hurried. Better to choose wisely rather than hastily, but there needs to be an interim PM rather than someone with grudges and a cabinet of numpties.
Absolutely there are long term issues to resolve, but all the more important not to screw it up and get the wrong leader in.
Forced choice which would you prefer (a) Boris goes one week sooner, dreadful new PM elected. (b) Boris goes one week later, excellent new PM elected.
Boris isn't even a lame duck, he's a crispy, aromatic duck that has been shredded completely. What matters most is getting the choice for the next few years right.
I reject that false forced choice (not least because I m fairly certain the new PM will be pisspoor, however long the process takes) and there should be an interim acting PM, with the government reverting to the appointments they had at the beginning of the week.
Its not supposed to be functional, its supposed to be a caretaker.
You're really not getting this, are you?
There are major decisions that need to be made before September - that is too long for a caretaker government without decision making powers.
I suspect we will see a vote of no confidence, a lot of Tory MPs having dental work and a very quick leadership election without a members vote.
What major decisions need to be made before September?
Parliament will be in recess within a fortnight, no major decisions are ever typically made during the silly season of August anyway.
That is dangerously complacent, apart from the Ukranian war, there is going to be airport chaos again next week when schools break up, more strikes and ballots, and a looming cost of living crisis growing.
Certainly there is a need for thorough scrutiny of the opportunists applying to be PM, and that shouldn't be hurried. Better to choose wisely rather than hastily, but there needs to be an interim PM rather than someone with grudges and a cabinet of numpties.
Absolutely there are long term issues to resolve, but all the more important not to screw it up and get the wrong leader in.
Forced choice which would you prefer (a) Boris goes one week sooner, dreadful new PM elected. (b) Boris goes one week later, excellent new PM elected.
Boris isn't even a lame duck, he's a crispy, aromatic duck that has been shredded completely. What matters most is getting the choice for the next few years right.
I agree with you. However, there seems to be a constituency that wants to speed it all up. I want to see a campaign where the issues are debated, and the winner emerges with an endorsed plan for the manifest problems. Not a beauty contest. I don't even care what it is particularly, as long as it is coherent.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
I think even in the light of the FPN, he does. It is his poor judgement and lacklustre performances that concern me.
If when the absolute imperative had arisen and the only two chaperones available to escort your daughter were Johnson or Starmer with no other alternative action available, which one would you have selected for your own peace of mind?
Labour may yet bottle the confidence vote, but the banter heuristic suggests they hold it, every single Tory MP votes they have confidence in a government led by BoZo and he says "See, I told ya so..."
And the nightmare continues.
Conservative MPs will say they have confidence in a system that has ousted Boris Johnson.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
Not sure Starmer is thinking here, trying to no-confidence a government with a 76-seat majority, over an internal party matter, a matter which the Tories are now in the process of resolving themselves.
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
He’s trying to get “Your Conservative candidate Bufton-Tufton voted to back disgraced Boris” on every election flier at the next GE. He surely can’t be under any illusions that the VONC will succeed.
There is no downside to the policy.
Everyone who votes for Boris can be attacked at the next election campaign as supporting a liar / crook / (based on Wednesday's revelation, possibly) a traitor. And if they don't vote for Boris Labour will have ensured Boris goes quicker - again a win for Labour because the Tory party couldn't get rid of him.
+ there is always a risk that Boris does a reverse ferret when all the Tory MPs vote for him and he just stays in place..
Actually, the Tories acted reasonably promptly. It was obvious after Party-gate that it was over for Boris. 8 months later, he is gone.
I think December 2021 is the fair starting point -- prior to that, Boris was (like it or not) an enormous asset to his party in terms of vote-getting. It was only after December things started to change. So, it took 8 months. I'd say that was not too bad.
Now, of course, this is not as efficient as say the Australian Labor Party and their famous 'spills' to get rid of deadweight leaders. It would have taken them 8 weeks.
But, it is a darned sight more efficient than the UK Labour Party.
It was obvious after the Iraq War that it was over for Tony. When did Labour finally get rid of him? Maybe if Tony had been despatched rather more promptly, then Labour would not have spent so long in opposition.
I was talking about a VONC - Boris should really have gone last month when the Tory party had their own VONC.
All we can really see is that the 1922 rule book isn't effective (should the threshold be 20 or 25% of MPs and not 15%) and that MPs are not the sophisticated electorate that people claim them to be.
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
I know you will claim that as a joke but you, of course, won't see that it's the kind of vindictive personal comment that drags this place and the people who post here, down.
When you don't like someone else's point of view you always resort to ad hominem. You sneer at a person for some trait you think you have a right to expose.
I hope everyone else on here has a nice day xx
You’ve done it again. You’ve started an argument with personal abuse, and then, when it is returned, you can’t cope and you cry foul
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@Leon 'Leon' I was merely suggesting that the reason you are so upset and irate about Boris' decline is that it plays into your own fears. You wrote a book about sexual predation - we all know that - and you're now in your 60's and no longer the young stud you told the world about. Boris was in many ways your kind of man. You wrote an entire book about how to win women. You have frequently boasted about your sexual conquests with 'much' younger women, girls, teenagers.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
If I am some ageing man crazed with existential angst (hint: I’m not)
You are a bit. Everyone is. Great art can often be produced upon that realisation.
Oh sure there is truth there. I admitted it earlier on, in a reply to @Heathener
“Clearly suggesting that I am - like Boris - some ageing and fearful sexual predator raging against the light, and, for added spite, you suggested that my approaching anonymity and decline is a deserved fate
All good fun. I don’t mind at all. Some of it might be true.”
Like the majority of PB-ers I am confronting mortality. I am of an age when I look back and see the patterns in my life, sometimes ruefully sometimes happily. But the idea this fills me with angst is simply not true, and the idea that this drives my passionate support for Boris - when I actually wanted him gone - is surreal and says more about @Heathener’s projections, perhaps, than about me
And personally I am probably happier now than I have been in years. Yesterday was particularly blissful. The swim in that magnificent river. The dinner of eel under the mountains. Then I got fucking shit faced with my landlord, Ratko, and we talked about his lethal fighting in the Balkans war, as the bats flew overhead, in his garden. Brilliant
NEW: The planned Chequers wedding party is being moved to a different location at the end of this month. Source says the idea this has had any bearing on why the PM is staying on as caretaker is “frankly absurd” and where it happens doesn’t matter to them.
And yeah I have no particular problem with Boris "staying" until they find someone else. Ideally Raab would take over right now but then we would still have someone essentially powerless in No.10.
As long as people have taken away all sharp objects and policy tools then fine leave him there for a short while. In fact it is probably worse for him, surrounded by all the trappings that he is now forced to give up.
If @Scott_xP is anything to go by, the Departure of the Boris has done nothing to cure or even soothe The Brexit Psychosis, and the madness will continue forever
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
But Starmer stands for honesty and integrity ?
I think even in the light of the FPN, he does. It is his poor judgement and lacklustre performances that concern me.
If when the absolute imperative had arisen and the only two chaperones available to escort your daughter were Johnson or Starmer with no other alternative action available, which one would you have selected for your own peace of mind?
My daughter would not let me decide on her chaperones to be fair
Boris will not earn his much-needed money through sales of his personal memoir. He may get a mildly decent advance but the actual books won't sell. No one wants to read a serial liar's spin and self-justification these days. Biographies about this turbulent time might do better but non-fiction generally struggles these days. The internet is such a great, and terrible, resource for finding out information, as are endless tv shows, that there are very few rabbits left for a non-fiction author to pull out of the hat.
As I mentioned, I doubt he will fill halls for talks either. No one wants to listen to a failure and liar, and he's a poor public speaker. As chaotic as in everything else. His best hope will be after-dinner speeches when everyone is too drunk to mind incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig world.
Leon got very personal with us all over this but, of course, the reason he's so irate is his own fear. Boris Johnson was a serial philanderer, a man approaching sixty whose attitude to sexual predation belonged to an era from which most of society has moved on. Boris Johnson got the top job for one reason and one reason only: to deliver Brexit. And that was on the back of the Remainer Parliament and an unelectable anti-Semitic Trotskyite Labour leader. As a person Boris was manifestly unsuited to the top job and the page on the chapter has already been turned. The flowers fade and the grass withers. It happens to all of us and some deserve it more than others.
The country is leaving Boris and his type of politics and personal behaviour behind. Whether that's under a reboot of the Conservative brand, or a completely new broom under Labour-LibDems, we will wait to see. But move on it has, and is.
You’re not the first PB-er to fall in love with me
Shhhh, secret, but I'm not into men. You may have noticed.
My partner is a gorgeous female.
Is she not worried that you’re clearly obsessed with me?
As for Bozza’s earnings, here’s the Independent:
“Mr Johnson, who is famously at home with deploying incendiary turns of phrase, would without doubt be in receipt of handsome offers from publishers for his Downing Street memoirs. Mr Blair received a reported £4.6m advance for his tome, with the sum being donated to charity.”
And here’s the Mail;
“Mr Johnson could become 'Billion Dollar Boris' if he plays his cards right with book deals, broadcast slots and speech circuits.
Experts say he will 'eclipse Tony Blair' and could net double the estimated £10million a year the former Labour leader made from speeches after office.
Mr Johnson, who once moaned his £250,000 Daily Telegraph column salary was 'chicken feed', is estimated to 'easily' earn £400,000 per speech while his memoirs could sell for 'at least' £1million
PR guru Mark Borkowski said: 'Boris is fairly wise and over the next 25 years if he can continue to grow it's going to be Billion Dollar Boris. He's a global brand, and with the right management, this is beyond speech-making.'“
Johnson certainly has a fanbase, but not one that pays £400 000 to hear of Peppa Pig.
In the UK no one wants or has a role for an ex-PM, they either sulk on the back benches (Heath, May) or lock themselves away, pretending that they still have significance (Blair, Brown, Thatcher), or completely disappear (Cameron). Major seems to be the only one enjoying himself.
What are you waffling about? Theresa May makes £2m a year from speeches. And she’s duller than @heathener
She does these speeches all over the world, and makes £120k PER SPEECH
If people are willing to pay £120k to hear the dronings of Theresa “fields of wheat” May how much will they pay Boris the Blonde Brexiteer with his 29 children?
I’m not even sure why we’re having this argument. It’s daft. For the next few years - barring asteroid strike - Boris will mint it
I've hired a lot of speakers for events I have organised (For the last 20 years of my working life my business organised pressure groups for large organisations). I have never got the fees ex-pms can earn, but it is clearly a fact. It has been suggested to me that it down to 'contacts' they can introduce at the sessions, but I have never had a customer request one of these speakers and my customers were often very major companies, charities, unions, NGOs, etc. Not once did they want a political speaker. Clearly there is demand though.
A lot of it - most of it - is surely star quality. Box office branding
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
Still struggling with it. I could get a much better speaker than May for a tenth of the price. Why didn't my customers ask for these speakers? Many of the organisations I represented were as big as they get and it was at board level. Not one requested a top politician and each event would have an audience of about 100 organisations.
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
I struggle with it. Theresa bloody May? £125,000, for a single speech??
I’ve also thought about it and I am sure my answer is part of the solution to this puzzle. Star quality. This must be particularly true for those organising the speeches. They get to meet the ex PM one-on-one, negotiate a deal, that’s a LOT of impressive anecdotes to share with others. That must drive the price
I’ve heard that this is one reason political memoirs by major political figures get such huge deals. The publishers want to hang out with ex prime ministers, get him to their parties, look big and powerful, and the top editors want it in their CVs - “edited Tony Blair’s memoirs”
Again: it all drives the price up. And Boris’ price will be notably bigger than Theresa’s
There have always been folk with more money than sense, and the rich are such social climbers that I am sure that they boast like you do.
It won't be a great look though while Britons freeze through a cost of living crisis and Winter of Discontent.
At least we’ve got beyond your preposterous assertion that Boris won’t get anything for his speeches
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A lot of Ukranians are genuinely upset at Johnson’s departure - for all else we may think about him, he is beloved in Kiev for the UK military efforts of recent years.
Anyone who attends a speech like this can airily say their friends next day,
“Oh I heard a fascinating speech last night, talking about trade with the USA, and what the president’s really like”
“Really? Who??”
“Oh, the ex prime minister. Yep. Him. That’s right. ;We all had a drink with him after”
Cue: massively impressed friends
It gives you huge bragging rights. This is why South Koreans will pay £120k to Theresa May, FFS. For Boris you can surely multiply that
And if the next couple of years are as bad as some economic projections suggest, "Life was better under Boris" may become a potent meme.
On the other hand, the Conservative party isn't as Johnsonned as the Republicans are Trumped. So there's hope.
It won't happen as it's a new era, but I'd like to see May back in Cabinet. Ex PMs should be encouraged to stick around. Joe Root's time as captain was done but he is still a vital member of the team.
It was fun on PB being all United temporarily (with honourable exception) in our opposition to Boris.
You have spent a LOT of time attacking those who have campaigned for Boris to go. And you have totemised Boris. This after a Damascene conversion on the way to the ballot box.
I am suggesting that the reason for this may well be that when much of the country is turning its back on the kind of attitudes that you and Boris share, you are upset and irate about it. It's not rocket science. The market for your kind of male sexual predation has receded and the country has moved on from your book, just as it has now from Boris. Hence why you have had to reinvent yourself at least twice with pseudonymns as an author. Your particular brand under your real name (which I shall not mention) has had its day.
Instead of raging against the dying light, try to be kind to people and especially to yourself in your older guise. It will make the world, and here, a better place.
It seems to me a lot of the outrage and trying to get him to depart immediately is all about trying to humiliate Johnson as much as possible... but remember the British people are a fair-minded bunch most of the time. I doubt many of them want to see Johnson humiliated.
He's resigned and will be departing in due course. That will be enough for the majority IMO.
He'll probably forget this in his next show, but John Oliver had it right that Johnson is a lot more complex than Trump.
In the event of an apocalyptic-size asteroid hurtling toward Earth, Boris will be pictured trying to blow it to smithereens. Saving the planet with a couple of megaton bombs is exactly the opportunity Boris was made for.
I too don't understand why we are having this argument. If the market pays Theresa May £120k per speech, then Boris is on at least 10 times that.
I wish it weren't so -- but Boris is about to become as rich as creosote. His life is actually just beginning.
It is we who have been left with tonnes of problems to sort out.
And Starmer has got nothing to show for his belated piece of flim flam.
I noticed Carrie was looking radiant and happy as Boris gave his resignation speech. Quite curious. Perhaps it is true she hates Number 10… and perhaps she is now looking forward to a stress free life of enormous wealth, not having to worry about tomorrow’s papers, and jetting off everywhere in high style
Have a lovely day everyone. Well done again @OldKingCole on your momentous anniversary.
xx
The sooner this one is out of the Commons the better.
But not the UK Foreign Secretary as she had fucked off back to try and get a new job she is even less capable of...
He should have made a significantly better fist of the earlier pool presser, where he was Boris Johnson poor, and repetitive. Listen to it in its entirety.
Should the FPN arrive, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't know too much about Streeting, but Nandy would be less tongue tied than Starmer. I'd love "oroight bab" Jess to be LOTO.
I think the steam has gone out of the rebels though. Now he's been mortally wounded they dont want to do more.
I have been Labour when I voted for Blair in 97 and 01 and by voting Labour I have been corruscated by @HYUFD as a part time supporter and lacking purity
I would venture to suggest I am not the only poster on here to rejoin the party
Politics is never boring
Declarations Monday, first round of MPs voting wednesday. Total time ~ 5 weeks.
Hopefully with Boris's downfall Mr P will soon be able to find some peace at last...
In which case, if you don’t like personalized arguments, DON’T START THEM. It’s not hard. Don’t begin the day with a rant explicitly aimed at another PB-er
Then your life will be calmer. Enjoy your day
https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1545306053507678210
Is he trying to persuade a few Tories to vote against and have the whip suspended?
https://youtu.be/eAUYO6AY1ow
They should change the rules so that only serious candidates with like 25 MP's backing them can stand. That will remove all of the timewasters straight the way...
I was alluding to his statement and questions session in the morning which was tongue tied and lacklustre.
Awesome.
Edit. Mildly humorous thought; I'm having to dictate this to the computer because my hands aren't working properly. 'Epping' in my original draft came out as 'effing'!
As for your last sentence: I'm unsure that's quite true. Remember Durham? ...
And there is much in what she wrote that is probably right about you.
Great
This has political implications. I am still convinced Starmer will yield to pressure from the Labour versions of Scott, and tack towards the Single Market, if and when he becomes PM
By the way if the price was right I would book Boris in a heartbeat. He would be a hoot. My audience either wanted entertainment or to be challenged. I wouldn't book May. My only reservation would be if there were any reservations from my customers, but I could find that out beforehand.
"The PM is going."
"I demand the PM goes!"
"He... is. It was announced yesterday."
This isn't whistling at a dog that's running towards you. It's whistling at a dog that's arrived. It just looks weird because the playing politics couldn't be much more obvious and the substance of the matter much more bizarre.
A PM coming in and being slightly less unequivocal about that might hurt the international consensus that Ukraine should be helped to fight.
The demand is that BoZo is gone, not that he will be going.
Everyone who votes for Boris can be attacked at the next election campaign as supporting a liar / crook / (based on Wednesday's revelation, possibly) a traitor.
And if they don't vote for Boris Labour will have ensured Boris goes quicker - again a win for Labour because the Tory party couldn't get rid of him.
+ there is always a risk that Boris does a reverse ferret when all the Tory MPs vote for him and he just stays in place..
Certainly there is a need for thorough scrutiny of the opportunists applying to be PM, and that shouldn't be hurried. Better to choose wisely rather than hastily, but there needs to be an interim PM rather than someone with grudges and a cabinet of numpties.
Boris is no longer Conservative party leader, so he cannot be VONCed as that.
Could the 1922 process include (a) a committee or MPs vote on whether to elect an interrim party leader (b) an interrim leadership election done by the MPs only and disbarring any MP who stands for the permanent leadership.
The two processes could run parallel
In-house mechanisms, should they want to, can be made available to avoid backing Boris, or not, in a commons VONC.
1922 announce the new executive will meet on Monday evening and will timetable the process to offer the two candidates to the membership by 21st July
I’ve also thought about it and I am sure my answer is part of the solution to this puzzle. Star quality. This must be particularly true for those organising the speeches. They get to meet the ex PM one-on-one, negotiate a deal, that’s a LOT of impressive anecdotes to share with others. That must drive the price
I’ve heard that this is one reason political memoirs by major political figures get such huge deals. The publishers want to hang out with ex prime ministers, get him to their parties, look big and powerful, and the top editors want it in their CVs - “edited Tony Blair’s memoirs”
Again: it all drives the price up. And Boris’ price will be notably bigger than Theresa’s
By the way, it’s raining in Austria.
Forced choice which would you prefer
(a) Boris goes one week sooner, dreadful new PM elected.
(b) Boris goes one week later, excellent new PM elected.
Boris isn't even a lame duck, he's a crispy, aromatic duck that has been shredded completely. What matters most is getting the choice for the next few years right.
Those who didn't vote for him have every right to rage unbridled against someone who fundamentally tarnished the role of PM of the UK, was not contrite, nor apologetic and has seen every single action and event since his schooldays (so his peers tell me) through the prism of how it can help him and him alone and it matters not who gets burned along the way.
Hell yeah keep at it. I will.
SKS has already put forward some pragmatic post-Brexit policies (not ones I beleive in or support, but still good politics) and there clearly is a temptation amongst the majority of the Conservatives to outflank this and continue to pursue a more ideological position on Brexit. However, the freedom of action is simply not going to be there. So, if the next Tory leader does not wish to be merely the latest to be destroyed by Europe, there will have to be a dialling down.
Apart from anything else, the popularity of Brexit in general (never mind the extreme Brexit positions of most Tories) is falling off a rock. If Brexit gets the blame for the increasingly precarious position of UK PLC, then being left holding that baby will have fatal electoral consequences.
But Leon could try a little harder not to exemplify the flaws in human nature that have so often enabled charismatic evil dictators.
It won't be a great look though while Britons freeze through a cost of living crisis and Winter of Discontent.
Good question re hecklers. My customers were well behaved, but after dinner you never know.
I do wonder if the events ex-pms speak at are very different to the ones I organised. Mine had a purpose. Not sure the purpose of a CBI conference. Networking? Networking was key at mine, but I suspect for different ends.
I think December 2021 is the fair starting point -- prior to that, Boris was (like it or not) an enormous asset to his party in terms of vote-getting. It was only after December things started to change. So, it took 8 months. I'd say that was not too bad.
Now, of course, this is not as efficient as say the Australian Labor Party and their famous 'spills' to get rid of deadweight leaders. It would have taken them 8 weeks.
But, it is a darned sight more efficient than the UK Labour Party.
It was obvious after the Iraq War that it was over for Tony. When did Labour finally get rid of him? Maybe if Tony had been despatched rather more promptly, then Labour would not have spent so long in opposition.
If when the absolute imperative had arisen and the only two chaperones available to escort your daughter were Johnson or Starmer with no other alternative action available, which one would you have selected for your own peace of mind?
However, there seems to be a constituency that wants to speed it all up.
I want to see a campaign where the issues are debated, and the winner emerges with an endorsed plan for the manifest problems.
Not a beauty contest.
I don't even care what it is particularly, as long as it is coherent.
Have you emerged from the 1920s?
All we can really see is that the 1922 rule book isn't effective (should the threshold be 20 or 25% of MPs and not 15%) and that MPs are not the sophisticated electorate that people claim them to be.
“Clearly suggesting that I am - like Boris - some ageing and fearful sexual predator raging against the light, and, for added spite, you suggested that my approaching anonymity and decline is a deserved fate
All good fun. I don’t mind at all. Some of it might be true.”
Like the majority of PB-ers I am confronting mortality. I am of an age when I look back and see the patterns in my life, sometimes ruefully sometimes happily. But the idea this fills me with angst is simply not true, and the idea that this drives my passionate support for Boris - when I actually wanted him gone - is surreal and says more about @Heathener’s projections, perhaps, than about me
And personally I am probably happier now than I have been in years. Yesterday was particularly blissful. The swim in that magnificent river. The dinner of eel under the mountains. Then I got fucking shit faced with my landlord, Ratko, and we talked about his lethal fighting in the Balkans war, as the bats flew overhead, in his garden. Brilliant
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1545319885831536640
As long as people have taken away all sharp objects and policy tools then fine leave him there for a short while. In fact it is probably worse for him, surrounded by all the trappings that he is now forced to give up.