James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
(Edit: not totally sure it was Pinewood - lot's of film stuff in the family, and no before you ask my mother's just no vinyl)
Rollerball is a fantastic film. Haven't watched it for a bit.
The favourite isn't even assembling a team. I await evidence he isn't a non-runner.
"The defence secretary, Ben Wallace, is thinking of his family as he considers whether to stand to be Conservative leader, Sky News is reporting.
He has three children. “He is a very committed family man,” one ally told the broadcaster. " (Guardian blog)
My guess is he'll go for it, but he needs to decide pretty snappily. MPs will be back in their constituencies now, and by Monday a lot of them will have been hoovered up by the teams who were already prepared.
Hunt, similarly. If he's planning to run, he's keeping very quiet about it.
Yes, though how will the imminent recess affect campaigning? No schmoozing in the tea rooms; no looking a candidate in the eyes as he hints you can be Chancellor in return for your support. Lots of Whatsapp groups and signing up to rivals' Whatsapp groups.
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.
You seem to have regenerated as a tremendously embittered, exceedingly angry man, spitting bile at other commenters and infuriated by virtually any subject
Are you OK? That’s a sincere question, not an attempt to provoke
He’s always been that way. Incredibly unpleasant and best ignored.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
(Edit: not totally sure it was Pinewood - lot's of film stuff in the family, and no before you ask my mother's just no vinyl)
Rollerball is a fantastic film. Haven't watched it for a bit.
Bits of it are outstanding. When it was so influential in my life I couldn't actually go to the cinema and see it. I wasn't 15.
Now I look at it as a really good film. Not so rewatchable (although I have done so and will do so many times), but unforgettably intense.
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Clearly I need to cast the bitter rage net a little wider
Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.
You seem to have regenerated as a tremendously embittered, exceedingly angry man, spitting bile at other commenters and infuriated by virtually any subject
Are you OK? That’s a sincere question, not an attempt to provoke
He’s always been that way. Incredibly unpleasant and best ignored.
Thank you, at least someone's been paying attention
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
I am green on everyone likely to run (I think - gulp!) except Braverman (yeh right...), Steve Baker and Schaps.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Clearly I need to cast the bitter rage net a little wider
Well, I say 'nobody.' i'm sure @malcolmg or @Dura_Ace would have a spirited go if they were around.
But to most people he's a blank canvass who's done OK in helping Ukraine. So they project their hopes on him.
That will not survive him having to make the first of a very large number of really tough policy calls.
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
I am green on everyone likely to run (I think - gulp!) except Braverman (yeh right...), Steve Baker and Schaps.
Any word on Mark Harper?
I have my book spread over next leader and next PM on both Smarkets and Bfx, as well as a few sidebets on other bookies so totting up is a bit tricky.
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Clearly I need to cast the bitter rage net a little wider
Well, I say 'nobody.' i'm sure @malcolmg or @Dura_Ace would have a spirited go if they were around.
But to most people he's a blank canvass who's done OK in helping Ukraine. So they project their hopes on him.
That will not survive him having to make the first of a very large number of really tough policy calls.
In all seriousness, I think you're right. I don't remember anyone ever expressing any kind of opinion on him apart from on here.
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Clearly I need to cast the bitter rage net a little wider
Well, I say 'nobody.' i'm sure @malcolmg or @Dura_Ace would have a spirited go if they were around.
But to most people he's a blank canvass who's done OK in helping Ukraine. So they project their hopes on him.
That will not survive him having to make the first of a very large number of really tough policy calls.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Clearly I need to cast the bitter rage net a little wider
Well, I say 'nobody.' i'm sure @malcolmg or @Dura_Ace would have a spirited go if they were around.
But to most people he's a blank canvass who's done OK in helping Ukraine. So they project their hopes on him.
That will not survive him having to make the first of a very large number of really tough policy calls.
Are they banned?
Malcolm seems to have reverted to 'applicant' status. Dura Ace I think has gone to Egypt to learn Arabic.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Caroline Noakes on t’telly arguing for online hustings and ballots for the members vote to get a final result within one month from today.
Glad to hear someone gets it. We don’t have time to waste, I’m extremely worried about our national unpreparedness for what might be the biggest economic crisis in 50 years if / when Vlad turns off Europe’s gas this winter.
Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.
You seem to have regenerated as a tremendously embittered, exceedingly angry man, spitting bile at other commenters and infuriated by virtually any subject
Are you OK? That’s a sincere question, not an attempt to provoke
He’s always been that way. Incredibly unpleasant and best ignored.
I expect a "long term lurker" will pop up shortly to tell him about it.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
So who is the continuity Bojo that RM is rooting for?
Nad is assembling her team at a hotel as we speak.
Maybe she could get channel 4 to do a fly on the wall doc on her campaign?
One of the many, many good outcomes of today's events is Nad will not be secretary for philistines come October and hopefully the replacement will ditch the BBC hour of hate and so forth.
Coffey for Culture Sec please. At least she stood up BBC in Cabinet, noting that she listened/watched as did vast numbers of actual tory members.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
So who is the continuity Bojo that RM is rooting for?
Nad is assembling her team at a hotel as we speak.
Truss is the obvious continuity candidate.
I posted about this on previous thread. Starting from a conversation with my dad, he said Major got the backing of Lady Thatcher and her supporters mainly to stop Hessle on Tyne getting the crown and this election could be similar in a favourite losing to someone else as Boris backers seek to stop someone else. This is what Was posted on previous thread
“ Betting Post. I would think the scenario is more similar to following Thatcher than after May, because May’s government was paralysed by inability to get Brexit done, it was an ideological split over type of Brexit, there was a clear leader and way forward waiting to take over. My Dad tells me Major won because he had the blessing of Lady Thatcher and her supporters, which may have been to stop the candidates those supporters didn’t like. This election could come down to something similar - continuity v change in direction.
Now we are here and it is happening, if you havn’t held great office of state for long, or a Mayor or LOTO, being an unknown quantity might be more handicap than advantage imo. Those who like the Boris Brexit brand and promises might pile in behind Liz Truss as “continuity candidate” putting her into last two and most likely winner. Pile in behind her in much same way Major got it to stop others getting it. if you are candidate for a brand change from Boris and his positions and policies - is the Blukipper membership really up for brand change?
Right now I would have Truss favourite. But it will be interesting to see what sort of roll bookies favourite Mourdant can get on.”
And from what you have posted, the loyalist, continuity, stop the enemy thing already playing a part is something we should consider in betting.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
You’ll be pleased to know my eel is sensational. First great meal I’ve had in montrenegfo
Dining alone again?
Of course. I’m traveling alone. That’s why I like to chat on here
But if you’re worried for my social life, I just had some beers with my landlord Ratko. Lovely guy, he’s the chap that told me the incredible place to swim. He doesn’t speak a word of English and he can’t even write in Latin letters, so we communicate via Google Translate microphone and an instant speak App and I have to say it is now very close to Babelfish. Amazing that sci-fi has reached reality so quick
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
(FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)
It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front
On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it
Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl
Based on Sunak’s resignation letter are we sure he’s going to run? Said something about being his last cabinet post?
Was that not more of a martyr type situation - “I realise that by doing the right thing I might never be considered for office again but it’s so important to do the right thing that the country comes before my career prospects”. Written in gold leaf by a servant of course whilst he cackled over his million pound tea cup.
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
So who is the continuity Bojo that RM is rooting for?
Nad is assembling her team at a hotel as we speak.
Truss is the obvious continuity candidate.
I posted about this on previous thread. Starting from a conversation with my dad, he said Major got the backing of Kady Thstcher and her supporters mainly to stop Hessle on Tyne getting the crown and this election could be similar in a favourite losing to someone else as Boris backers seek to stop someone else. This is what Was posted on previous thread
“ Betting Post. I would think the scenario is more similar to following Thatcher than after May, because May’s government was paralysed by inability to get Brexit done, it was an ideological split over type of Brexit, there was a clear leader and way forward waiting to take over. My Dad tells me Major won because he had the blessing of Lady Thatcher and her supporters, which may have been to stop the candidates those supporters didn’t like. This election could come down to something similar - continuity v change in direction.
Now we are here and it is happening, if you havn’t held great office of state for long, or a Mayor or LOTO, being an unknown quantity might be more handicap than advantage imo. Those who like the Boris Brexit brand and promises might pile in behind Liz Truss as “continuity candidate” putting her into last two and most likely winner. Pile in behind her in much same way Major got it to stop others getting it. if you are candidate for a brand change from Boris and his positions and policies - is the Blukipper membership really up for brand change?
Right now I would have Truss favourite. But it will be interesting to see what sort of roll bookies favourite Mourdant can get on.”
Welcome back Moon Rabbit.
I love the idea of 'Hessle on Tyne.' That's brilliant.
I'm guessing dictation function? It made 'Wallace's' into 'Wallace is' for me but was otherwise not nearly so creative.
I’m not sure I’ve eaten eel outside smoked eel at posh London gaffs and eel in Chinese dishes. It is from the Rijeka Crnojevika, which rolls by right underneath this tavern
The warm bit of sushi, with the sauce already applied: that's eel, that is.
Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
Wallace's big advantages that nobody actually hates him. Yet.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Clearly I need to cast the bitter rage net a little wider
Well, I say 'nobody.' i'm sure @malcolmg or @Dura_Ace would have a spirited go if they were around.
But to most people he's a blank canvass who's done OK in helping Ukraine. So they project their hopes on him.
That will not survive him having to make the first of a very large number of really tough policy calls.
Are they banned?
Malcolm seems to have reverted to 'applicant' status. Dura Ace I think has gone to Egypt to learn Arabic.
Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.
Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."
Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.
You seem to have regenerated as a tremendously embittered, exceedingly angry man, spitting bile at other commenters and infuriated by virtually any subject
Are you OK? That’s a sincere question, not an attempt to provoke
He’s always been that way. Incredibly unpleasant and best ignored.
I expect a "long term lurker" will pop up shortly to tell him about it.
What he is not, is stupid.
As if by magic the shopkeeper didn’t appear. One of Pavlov’s dogs did.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
You’ll be pleased to know my eel is sensational. First great meal I’ve had in montrenegfo
what's the red stuff to the right?
A humble tomato salad
But in the little dish on the bottom right is this brilliant garlic dressing and the eel is superb, crunchy skin, sweet flesh, who knew. Eel. Probably fished from the river 10 foot to the left in the last few hours. Superb
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
Could still work. Set it at 20% and you might only need two ballots. Bearing in mind time is really not on their side here.
I wonder if they might allow only three days for nominations as well?
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.
You seem to have regenerated as a tremendously embittered, exceedingly angry man, spitting bile at other commenters and infuriated by virtually any subject
Are you OK? That’s a sincere question, not an attempt to provoke
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
You’ll be pleased to know my eel is sensational. First great meal I’ve had in montrenegfo
what's the red stuff to the right?
A humble tomato salad
But in the little dish on the bottom right is this brilliant garlic dressing and the eel is superb, crunchy skin, sweet flesh, who knew. Eel. Probably fished from the river 10 foot to the left in the last few hours. Superb
Although humble the tomato can be exceptional. One of the best starters I’ve ever had was a Tomato salad at Northcote. Just divine.
Goodness he was bitter on the news just now. He should have thought a bit more carefully before blowing up his career shouldn’t he.
So should Osborne, who might well have come through the middle here.
Let’s say we get a moderate winning the crown. A Tugendhat, or a Hunt etc… do we think we might see someone like Stewart (or Osborne?) come back into Parliament at the next election?
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Whoever wins has to be in the final two of the MPs voting, but I wonder how many of the possibles stand any chance with the membership if they do get through. What are the criteria for Tory membership approval?
If people do not mind me posting something *not* to do with Boris and No. 10, something rather interesting in space happened this week.
NASA have a lunar orbiter called CAPSTONE on its way to the Moon. Unfortunately earlier in the week all contact was lost with the probe. As time went on, it looked to external eyes as though it was spinning out of control - bot unheard of for satellites.
Fortunately NASA have regained contact. It turned out the team sent up a malformed message to the craft that turned off comms, and a bug in the on-board software meant it was not picked up.
Great news for an interesting mission, and a timely reminder that even the best make big mistakes.
Whoever wins has to be in the final two of the MPs voting, but I wonder how many of the possibles stand any chance with the membership if they do get through. What are the criteria for Tory membership approval?
They have five criteria.
A) Brexiteerish as possible.
B )Low taxes
C) Get a grip on borrowing
D) Hose money at public services
E) Must be fucking crazy.
The first four are a sort of best fit. The last is essential.
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
Aiui the 1922 Committee will finalise the rules next week after its own elections. Of course, they will also be under pressure not to allow Boris to squat till October.
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
I am green on everyone likely to run (I think - gulp!) except Braverman (yeh right...), Steve Baker and Schaps.
Any word on Mark Harper?
Betting post. I have £50 on Mark Harper placed on 31st December at 40-1. I’m certain he’ll run, possibly competing for the same supporters as Mourdant, maybe backing her if she wins and being in her cabinet?
£50 on Javid at 14-1. But the Tories can’t elect Javid though, nom Dom status.
That is all I have on at moment. If you ask me this evening who wins I am thinking it is Truss, my reasoning in a senior office and representing Brexit and Boris agenda “continuity” with a splash of best placed to “stop Rishi”.
Caroline Noakes on t’telly arguing for online hustings and ballots for the members vote to get a final result within one month from today.
Glad to hear someone gets it. We don’t have time to waste, I’m extremely worried about our national unpreparedness for what might be the biggest economic crisis in 50 years if / when Vlad turns off Europe’s gas this winter.
There's an energy security bill going through parliament at the moment isn't there? Not seen the content.
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
Today I swam in a wild curve of river, with ospreys and terns. I saw one boat in an hour
I did a long walk through lovely woods. Snakes and tortoises, sunlight and quietness. Again alone
Now I eat brilliant food and the calm still warm evening light falls away over the hills
I was going to go back to the coast tomorrow. Not now. I can’t recommend inland Montenegro highly enough. My one complaint was the food but they just fixed that. My cabin with the stupendous view is £30 a night
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
I am green on everyone likely to run (I think - gulp!) except Braverman (yeh right...), Steve Baker and Schaps.
Any word on Mark Harper?
Betting post. I have £50 on Mark Harper placed on 31st December at 40-1. I’m certain he’ll run, possibly competing for the same supporters as Mourdant, maybe backing her if she wins and being in her cabinet?
£50 on Javid at 14-1. But the Tories can’t elect Javid though, nom Dom status.
That is all I have on at moment. If you ask me this evening who wins I am thinking it is Truss, my reasoning in a senior office and representing Brexit and Boris agenda “continuity” with a splash of best placed to “stop Rishi”.
Harper ran in 2019 and got a princely 10 votes. Why do you think he would do any better this time around?
Caroline Noakes on t’telly arguing for online hustings and ballots for the members vote to get a final result within one month from today.
Glad to hear someone gets it. We don’t have time to waste, I’m extremely worried about our national unpreparedness for what might be the biggest economic crisis in 50 years if / when Vlad turns off Europe’s gas this winter.
Caroline Noakes on t’telly arguing for online hustings and ballots for the members vote to get a final result within one month from today.
Glad to hear someone gets it. We don’t have time to waste, I’m extremely worried about our national unpreparedness for what might be the biggest economic crisis in 50 years if / when Vlad turns off Europe’s gas this winter.
There's an energy security bill going through parliament at the moment isn't there? Not seen the content.
It’s not going to be a massive help this winter and as we are at war, to all intents and purposes, with Russia why wouldn’t they stop supplying Europe gas.
(FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)
It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front
On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it
Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl
James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
Misery at the news.
Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
You’ll be pleased to know my eel is sensational. First great meal I’ve had in montrenegfo
what's the red stuff to the right?
A humble tomato salad
But in the little dish on the bottom right is this brilliant garlic dressing and the eel is superb, crunchy skin, sweet flesh, who knew. Eel. Probably fished from the river 10 foot to the left in the last few hours. Superb
Although humble the tomato can be exceptional. One of the best starters I’ve ever had was a Tomato salad at Northcote. Just divine.
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
I am green on everyone likely to run (I think - gulp!) except Braverman (yeh right...), Steve Baker and Schaps.
Any word on Mark Harper?
Betting post. I have £50 on Mark Harper placed on 31st December at 40-1. I’m certain he’ll run, possibly competing for the same supporters as Mourdant, maybe backing her if she wins and being in her cabinet?
£50 on Javid at 14-1. But the Tories can’t elect Javid though, nom Dom status.
That is all I have on at moment. If you ask me this evening who wins I am thinking it is Truss, my reasoning in a senior office and representing Brexit and Boris agenda “continuity” with a splash of best placed to “stop Rishi”.
Harper ran in 2019 and got a princely 10 votes. Why do you think he would do any better this time around?
I don’t really think he gets close to winning to be honest. His profile is higher after these recent months of being gently and firmly outspoken about Boris is one reason he may get more votes this time do you think? Also ERG had another main candidate in 2019 race in Boris, this time if Harper is ERG man he is guaranteed a block of votes.
If Mourdant or Truss get on role into last two he could bring his support to them and be rewarded with nice job is what I now expect.
40-1 was tempting long shot price. And at that time TSE was sure next leader wouldn’t come from Boris cabinet.
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
Aiui the 1922 Committee will finalise the rules next week after its own elections. Of course, they will also be under pressure not to allow Boris to squat till October.
I don't quite understand where this idea of October has come from. It's surely certain that it will be wrapped up by the first week after recess even if it goes to the membership.
Whoever wins has to be in the final two of the MPs voting, but I wonder how many of the possibles stand any chance with the membership if they do get through. What are the criteria for Tory membership approval?
It shouldn't really matter but personally I think it unlikely the Con membership would vote for a Remainer over a Leaver... Of course the MP's might submit 2 Remainers to the membership...
Hunt loses with the membership whoever he's up against as well IMO.
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
Aiui the 1922 Committee will finalise the rules next week after its own elections. Of course, they will also be under pressure not to allow Boris to squat till October.
I don't quite understand where this idea of October has come from. It's surely certain that it will be wrapped up by the first week after recess even if it goes to the membership.
October was never a possibility. It'll be the first or second week of September.
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
Aiui the 1922 Committee will finalise the rules next week after its own elections. Of course, they will also be under pressure not to allow Boris to squat till October.
I don't quite understand where this idea of October has come from. It's surely certain that it will be wrapped up by the first week after recess even if it goes to the membership.
It was Brady's long stop which BJ tried to spin into an agreed tenure
I get why they are doing it, I'd do the same in their shoes, but... Blimey.
Even local Tories are celebrating @BorisJohnson's demise. Here's a leaflet I've been sent for a council by-election taking place today: 'It's OK to vote Conservative again.'
How many nominations are needed to get to the threshold for the first ballot?
Changes every time. Last time it was 8 so presumably it was set at 2% of the PCP. If they do that again it's going to be around 9-10.
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
Its 8 again, that's a fixed number for nominations AFAIK.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
Aiui the 1922 Committee will finalise the rules next week after its own elections. Of course, they will also be under pressure not to allow Boris to squat till October.
I don't quite understand where this idea of October has come from. It's surely certain that it will be wrapped up by the first week after recess even if it goes to the membership.
Brady agreed with Johnson that it should all be done and dusted by the time of the Party Conference in October. Some (Johnson's allies) are saying this means Johnson stays until then, others, including Brady, are saying that is the backstop but they expect it wrapped up much sooner.
(FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)
It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front
On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it
Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl
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A sudden flashback from my youth
Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.
Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.
I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.
I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.
That leaves him very well placed to unite to the party and the country and very badly placed indeed to do well as prime minister.
Now I look at it as a really good film. Not so rewatchable (although I have done so and will do so many times), but unforgettably intense.
Any word on Mark Harper?
But to most people he's a blank canvass who's done OK in helping Ukraine. So they project their hopes on him.
That will not survive him having to make the first of a very large number of really tough policy calls.
I'm shocked. Shocked,I tell you.
Glad to hear someone gets it. We don’t have time to waste, I’m extremely worried about our national unpreparedness for what might be the biggest economic crisis in 50 years if / when Vlad turns off Europe’s gas this winter.
What he is not, is stupid.
Coffey for Culture Sec please. At least she stood up BBC in Cabinet, noting that she listened/watched as did vast numbers of actual tory members.
I posted about this on previous thread. Starting from a conversation with my dad, he said Major got the backing of Lady Thatcher and her supporters mainly to stop Hessle on Tyne getting the crown and this election could be similar in a favourite losing to someone else as Boris backers seek to stop someone else. This is what Was posted on previous thread
“ Betting Post. I would think the scenario is more similar to following Thatcher than after May, because May’s government was paralysed by inability to get Brexit done, it was an ideological split over type of Brexit, there was a clear leader and way forward waiting to take over. My Dad tells me Major won because he had the blessing of Lady Thatcher and her supporters, which may have been to stop the candidates those supporters didn’t like. This election could come down to something similar - continuity v change in direction.
Now we are here and it is happening, if you havn’t held great office of state for long, or a Mayor or LOTO, being an unknown quantity might be more handicap than advantage imo. Those who like the Boris Brexit brand and promises might pile in behind Liz Truss as “continuity candidate” putting her into last two and most likely winner. Pile in behind her in much same way Major got it to stop others getting it. if you are candidate for a brand change from Boris and his positions and policies - is the Blukipper membership really up for brand change?
Right now I would have Truss favourite. But it will be interesting to see what sort of roll bookies favourite Mourdant can get on.”
And from what you have posted, the loyalist, continuity, stop the enemy thing already playing a part is something we should consider in betting.
But if you’re worried for my social life, I just had some beers with my landlord Ratko. Lovely guy, he’s the chap that told me the incredible place to swim. He doesn’t speak a word of English and he can’t even write in Latin letters, so we communicate via Google Translate microphone and an instant speak App and I have to say it is now very close to Babelfish. Amazing that sci-fi has reached reality so quick
Might be higher to keep the number of candidates down and speed things up.. 10% threshold would be useful in eliminating nutters like Shapps, Braverman and Barclay.
But last time I believe they did a minimum percentage for votes in the first round to reach which meant that a few people got eliminated rather than just one in the first ballot.
The Sea, the Sea
I love the idea of 'Hessle on Tyne.' That's brilliant.
I'm guessing dictation function? It made 'Wallace's' into 'Wallace is' for me but was otherwise not nearly so creative.
🤡
But in the little dish on the bottom right is this brilliant garlic dressing and the eel is superb, crunchy skin, sweet flesh, who knew. Eel. Probably fished from the river 10 foot to the left in the last few hours. Superb
The Tory Corbyn.
I wonder if they might allow only three days for nominations as well?
Gender ideology and identity politics have flourished on his watch
Joanna Williams"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/07/06/boris-has-failed-to-fight-wokeness/
NASA have a lunar orbiter called CAPSTONE on its way to the Moon. Unfortunately earlier in the week all contact was lost with the probe. As time went on, it looked to external eyes as though it was spinning out of control - bot unheard of for satellites.
Fortunately NASA have regained contact. It turned out the team sent up a malformed message to the craft that turned off comms, and a bug in the on-board software meant it was not picked up.
Great news for an interesting mission, and a timely reminder that even the best make big mistakes.
https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/07/07/mission-team-determines-cause-of-communications-issues-for-nasas-capstone/
A) Brexiteerish as possible.
B )Low taxes
C) Get a grip on borrowing
D) Hose money at public services
E) Must be fucking crazy.
The first four are a sort of best fit. The last is essential.
£50 on Javid at 14-1. But the Tories can’t elect Javid though, nom Dom status.
That is all I have on at moment. If you ask me this evening who wins I am thinking it is Truss, my reasoning in a senior office and representing Brexit and Boris agenda “continuity” with a splash of best placed to “stop Rishi”.
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Today I swam in a wild curve of river, with ospreys and terns. I saw one boat in an hour
I did a long walk through lovely woods. Snakes and tortoises, sunlight and quietness. Again alone
Now I eat brilliant food and the calm still warm evening light falls away over the hills
I was going to go back to the coast tomorrow. Not now. I can’t recommend inland Montenegro highly enough. My one complaint was the food but they just fixed that. My cabin with the stupendous view is £30 a night
When they could have gone with
Gone Bon Govi 😆
Remarkable!
We need to pray it’s a mild winter.
If Mourdant or Truss get on role into last two he could bring his support to them and be rewarded with nice job is what I now expect.
40-1 was tempting long shot price. And at that time TSE was sure next leader wouldn’t come from Boris cabinet.
TSE - are you still sure of that?
** wonders if he reads PB **
Come on Julian! Why not?
Hunt loses with the membership whoever he's up against as well IMO.
Silly girl.
Even local Tories are celebrating @BorisJohnson's demise.
Here's a leaflet I've been sent for a council by-election taking place today: 'It's OK to vote Conservative again.'
https://t.co/y5Vm5QzgKr https://t.co/FlYMGyCSi2
Do you have a ouija board to help with your investigation?