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  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    That Boris Johnson blow job story is NAYASTY.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,841

    Filter and its a selfie (the photographer given credit is herself). Some people, especially young women, almost always seem to use filters nowadays.
    It's a bit of a thing with young ones. They probably grow out of it. Thankfully the pic of the baby is just a baby - and she's lovely.

  • That Boris Johnson blow job story is NAYASTY.

    It's put me right off one of the new insults I was considering earlier: cock-goblin.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    June 28, 2022 Primaries & Runoffs - New York State (* incumbent)

    Governor (Democratic) - Kathy Hochul* 68% v Jumaane Williams 19% v Thomas Suozzi 13%
    > Hochul carried every county; Richmond (Brooklyn) by just 52% but by whopping margins upstate

    Governor (Republican) - Lee Zeldin 44% v Andrew Giuliani 23% v Rob Astorino 19% v Harry Wilson 15%
    > Giuliani the Younger (and Slightly Saner) was frontrunner in NYC, Astorino lower Hudson Valley, Wilson parts of upstate, Zeldin everywhere else
    > Zeldin victory party last night featured an old PB favorite, former congressman & IRA facilitator Peter King: Peter King, who proclaimed it a “great day for New York.”

    Lieutenant Governor (Dem) - Antonio Delgado* 61% v Ana Maria Archila 25% v Diana Reyna 14%
    > former congressman Delgado is Hochul's SECOND appointee as LG, here first pick being forced to resign

    (Lieutenant Governor (Rep) was uncontested)

    Good night for Hochul who has managed (after initial pratfalls following her own elevation from Lt Gov to Governor upon resignation of serial a-hole Andrew Cuomo). AND clearly has her up-state mojo working (she's from Buffalo) which as Hillary Clinton demonstrated in 2000 (with huge assist from then-US Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan) is THE path for successful Empire State statewide Democratic candidates in the 3rd Millennium.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,394
    HYUFD said:

    Oh really? Yet in Northern Ireland the GFA only came about after a 30 year terrorist bombing campaign by the IRA in GB and loyalist paramilitaries and the IRA in NI

    In Scotland however there is no GFA and what Westminster says goes, as it has since the 1707 Act of Union and on the Union under the Scotland Act 1998 that created Holyrood
    You appear to want to appease terrorists and ignore democrats. If I were to successfully carry out a coup, making myself supreme leader would that be ok with you?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,154

    Not sure 'comes out in favour of' is quite accurate. It thought he had been along time advocate? He certainly railed about it enough when UKIP were getting 12% of the vote and one seat.
    You're right, wrong choice of words from me.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    It's put me right off one of the new insults I was considering earlier: cock-goblin.
    Exactly.
    We don’t need any reminders of who’s goblin whose cock.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    For PB opera lovers.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-rayner-accuses-dominic-raab-of-snobbery-after-opera-jibe_uk_62bc5c86e4b080fb670d15a8

    "The Marriage of Figaro is the story of a working-class woman who gets the better of a privileged but dim-witted villain."

    Always said it was a subversive opera.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sandpit said:

    Fantastic, another step towards Jolyon being formally labelled a vexatious litigant by a High Court Judge. Who the hell is still giving him money?
    Posts like that nudge me towards bunging him an economist, or rather a painter.

    Raducanu time.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited June 2022
    Were Britain to adopt PR, a Brexity-ultra party would likely become a permanent fixture of the political scene.

    And likely the Conservatives would need them to form a government maybe 50% of the time.

    The overall impact of PR though would likely be a moderate shift leftwards, with the arrival of the Greens into the House.

    The approx long run average breakdown would likely be something like:

    38 Con
    35 Lab
    7 LD
    10 Green
    5 Brexit
    5 Nationalist
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    The best outcome from the UKG’s perspective is for the referendum to go ahead but be boycotted by unionist voters.

    We have a candidate for Useful Idiot of the Month.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,154
    edited June 2022
    I put £20 on Emma Raducanu at 50/1 before the tournament started. Seemed like a value bet. She's already 20/1.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440
    The man who wishes to be tampon has changed his outlook after being caught.

    The Prince of Wales will no longer accept large cash donations for his charities, a senior royal source has said, after Charles faced criticism over claims he received €3m from a billionaire Qatari sheikh reportedly stuffed in a small suitcase and Fortnum & Mason carrier bag.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/29/prince-charles-will-no-longer-accept-large-cash-donations-for-charities?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited June 2022

    We have a candidate for Useful Idiot of the Month.
    You say that about everybody and everything, though, Stuart.

    You’re like MalcolmG, just passive aggressive and weirdly pooterish.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,841
    Leon said:

    I saw that this morning, through my binos. Disturbing
    Weird. When encountered smile sweetly, don't stare, feel life affirmed and carry on. If there is anything more charming in this world I don't know what it is.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2022

    You keep on banging about him becoming a vexatious litigant but it isn't going to happen, he keeps on getting cases won at SCOTUK, including some important ones, like the prorogation of Parliament one.
    He won one case, years ago, and since then has given every impression of being on a vendetta against the government.

    https://www.cityam.com/barrister-jolyon-maugham-qc-apologises-for-falsely-claiming-court-victory-against-matt-hancock/

    Even his own “Friends” are close to giving up on him:

    https://labourpainsblog.com/2022/02/23/good-law-project-failing-at-a-not-so-technical-level/

    So are neutral legal bloggers:

    https://barristerblogger.com/2018/06/02/rape-juries-jolyon-maugham-hits-the-wrong-target/

    And obviously his opponents

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/02/17/the-good-law-projects-latest-suit-fails-in-its-entirety-should-they-not-be-obliged-to-say-so/

    Do we still need to get on to the “fox, baseball bat and kimono” story? That made the American media.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-british-barrister-was-known-for-battling-brexit-then-he-beat-a-fox-to-death-while-wearing-a-kimono/2019/12/30/64c50612-2aed-11ea-bffe-020c88b3f120_story.html

    Isn’t the legal system gummed up enough at the moment, without giving w@nkers like him valuable court time?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,154

    Were Britain to adopt PR, a Brexity-ultra party would likely become a permanent fixture of the political scene.

    And likely the Conservatives would need them to form a government maybe 50% of the time.

    The overall impact of PR though would likely be a moderate shift leftwards, with the arrival of the Greens into the House.

    The approx long run average breakdown would likely be something like:

    38 Con
    35 Lab
    7 LD
    10 Green
    5 Brexit
    5 Nationalist

    I think the LDs are too low. They might actually go higher with PR because there are a lot of marginals where natural LD voters tend to vote for one of the two main parties.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Best prices - Independence referendum result

    No 5/6 (PP)
    Yes 10/11 (Hills)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440

    You say that about everybody and everything, though, Stuart.

    You’re like MalcolmG, just passive aggressive and weirdly pooterish.
    Be gentle with Stuart, he’s grieving, he fled the UK and now in Sweden he’ll soon find himself up the protective aegis of the UK thanks to Sweden planning to join NATO.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,324
    algarkirk said:

    Weird. When encountered smile sweetly, don't stare, feel life affirmed and carry on. If there is anything more charming in this world I don't know what it is.

    I had to scan the whole car park for hours til I found her. Disgusting. Tits all over the shop. Nipples actually showing. When I carefully adjusted the focus I could see the other breast as well
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Andy_JS said:

    I think the LDs are too low. They might actually go higher with PR because there are a lot of marginals where natural LD voters tend to vote for one of the two main parties.
    Nah.
    Half the LD vote is essentially a protest vote.
    Sadly (for me) only a small percentage of the population are consistently “liberal”.

    See FDP in Germany and Act in NZ for more details, although both are “right-liberal” whereas the LDs are more “left-liberal”.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    You say that about everybody and everything, though, Stuart.

    You’re like MalcolmG, just passive aggressive and weirdly pooterish.
    Nonsense.

    I say a lot of nice things about opponents. Ian Murray MP got a few pleasant adjectives just upthread. Lots of decent folk around. You are not one of them.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,841

    Were Britain to adopt PR, a Brexity-ultra party would likely become a permanent fixture of the political scene.

    And likely the Conservatives would need them to form a government maybe 50% of the time.

    The overall impact of PR though would likely be a moderate shift leftwards, with the arrival of the Greens into the House.

    The approx long run average breakdown would likely be something like:

    38 Con
    35 Lab
    7 LD
    10 Green
    5 Brexit
    5 Nationalist

    An open door for every Galloway and Salmond, terrorist group and religious nut to waste their time and ours. with a real chance of success.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Best prices - Independence referendum result

    No 5/6 (PP)
    Yes 10/11 (Hills)

    Best prices both odds-on, with different bookies. That’s funny

    Smash that 5/6 all day - but be aware of the time value of money, two years away from something that might not happen, and with inflation at 9%.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    You keep on banging about him becoming a vexatious litigant but it isn't going to happen, he keeps on getting cases won at SCOTUK, including some important ones, like the prorogation of Parliament one.
    The thing that is vexatious is that he keeps winning.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Nonsense.

    I say a lot of nice things about opponents. Ian Murray MP got a few pleasant adjectives just upthread. Lots of decent folk around. You are not one of them.
    You really don’t.
    You spend all your time boring the rest of us with how terrible unionism is and how wonderful the Swedish mungbean party is.

    Tack!

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Sandpit said:

    Best prices both odds-on, with different bookies. That’s funny

    Smash that 5/6 all day - but be aware of the time value of money, two years away from something that might not happen, and with inflation at 9%.
    No risk = no return 😉
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kjh said:

    You appear to want to appease terrorists and ignore democrats. If I were to successfully carry out a coup, making myself supreme leader would that be ok with you?
    Are you sure you are planning a coup and not just some light terrorism with attempt to change government?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    algarkirk said:

    An open door for every Galloway and Salmond, terrorist group and religious nut to waste their time and ours. with a real chance of success.
    The experience in NZ was that there was a period of instability that lasted around 10 or 15 years, and then it settled down.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    The man who wishes to be tampon has changed his outlook after being caught.

    The Prince of Wales will no longer accept large cash donations for his charities, a senior royal source has said, after Charles faced criticism over claims he received €3m from a billionaire Qatari sheikh reportedly stuffed in a small suitcase and Fortnum & Mason carrier bag.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/29/prince-charles-will-no-longer-accept-large-cash-donations-for-charities?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    To be fair to him, he may be so out of touch he thinks the little people actually do transact business in cash, and send an equerry round with a plastic bag of notes to buy houses and cars and stuff.
  • MISTY said:

    Another determination that could be left to individual states is, apparently, same sex marriage.

    The way this is going, the way some states seem to be a million miles away from others in social outlook, you have to wonder whether in the end some sort of fracturing/secession might actually occur.

    The Supreme Court of the United States of America is showing how "written constitutions" and "protection of courts" is not what people make it out to be.

    The problem of trying to subvert democracy by courts is that whoever controls the courts, can subvert democracy.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ER breaks back
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,436

    No 10 staff will be able to give evidence confidentially to inquiry into whether PM lied over Partygate
    Commons privileges committee will start taking oral evidence in autumn into whether Boris Johnson misled MPs

    Will Carrie be taking the oral evidence?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    To be fair to him, he may be so out of touch he thinks the little people actually do transact business in cash, and send an equerry round with a plastic bag of notes to buy houses and cars and stuff.
    The Qataris are still laughing, that this is a story.

    Bags of cash are their fun, Arabs are very “new money”, and people in the sandpit buy houses and cars with cash all the time.

    They’re also well aware that they could have done a bank transfer, as is normal in the West - but quite like the idea of the future King trying to deal with the pile of cash, in a place where different customs apply.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Will Carrie be taking the oral evidence?
    It’s possible she will volunteer a submission.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    ER breaks back

    I thought that was a London Bridge style comment at first. 😲
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Alistair said:

    The thing that is vexatious is that he keeps winning.
    How many times has he won, not including the bullshit travesty of a ruling on prorogation?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    The experience in NZ was that there was a period of instability that lasted around 10 or 15 years, and then it settled down.
    And what our politics really needs right now is a period of instability lasting 10 to 15 years...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369

    Will Carrie be taking the oral evidence?
    I imagine some of it will be hard to swallow.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    The Lib Dem price to support Labour is said to be “electoral reform without referendum” according to Kevin Maguire in the New Statesman.

    That would be very stupid, if true.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,169
    Applicant said:

    And what our politics really needs right now is a period of instability lasting 10 to 15 years...
    Good job FPTP has delivered the sunlit uplands we're currently enjoying then.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,394
    Alistair said:

    Are you sure you are planning a coup and not just some light terrorism with attempt to change government?
    Very good linking of two discussions. You have to be on the ball on PB don't you. There was a good chance I wouldn't have had a clue what you were referring to.

    Just to clarify I am attempting a proper coup, but if I fail it will just be myself and a few lads having a bit of fun.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Applicant said:

    And what our politics really needs right now is a period of instability lasting 10 to 15 years...
    Personally I am on the fence.

    Some campaigners in the UK seem to think it is a cure-all, it certainly is not.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    The Supreme Court of the United States of America is showing how "written constitutions" and "protection of courts" is not what people make it out to be.

    The problem of trying to subvert democracy by courts is that whoever controls the courts, can subvert democracy.
    Only for so long though. The legislatures that are imposing these bans will have to face their voters.

    Also their citizens have free movement.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,436

    I imagine some of it will be hard to swallow.
    I wonder if he ruffles his hair beforehand....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Will Carrie be taking the oral evidence?
    The Mark Felt of this Watergate
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,169
    Applicant said:

    How many times has he won, not including the bullshit travesty of a ruling on prorogation?
    "How many times has he won, excluding all the times I think he shouldn't have?"
  • I wonder if he ruffles his hair beforehand....
    I think that's what he does during the act. That's why his hair is always a mess.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,546
    Pulpstar said:

    1993 Christchurch by-election 35.4 Conservative Liberal Democrats
    2021 North Shropshire by-election 34.2 Conservative Liberal Democrats
    2022 Tiverton and Honiton by-election 29.9 Conservative Liberal Democrats

    1994 Dudley West by-election 29.2 Conservative Labour
    1993 Newbury by-election 28.4 Conservative Liberal Democrats
    2021 Chesham and Amersham by-election 25.1 Conservative Liberal Democrats
    1994 Dagenham by-election 23.1 Conservative Labour
    1996 South East Staffordshire by-election 22.1 Conservative Labour
    1994 Barking by-election 22.0 Conservative Labour

    Bluntly speaking, the Lib Dems are achieving the 1992 - 1997 swings at by-elections, whereas Labour just aren't.

    Where does the next GE end up if Labour have similar progress against the Conservatives that they achieved in 2015 - No I'm not making that up, Ed Miliband did move forward against the Tories. &
    Ed Davey has a 1997 (much larger) type swing where the Lib Dems are facing the Tories.
    That would at long last 'break the mould'.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,099

    The Lib Dem price to support Labour is said to be “electoral reform without referendum” according to Kevin Maguire in the New Statesman.

    That would be very stupid, if true.

    Depends which house it is for or what type of elections.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited June 2022

    Depends which house it is for or what type of elections.
    Thanks for engaging.
    Stupid for a couple of reasons.

    1. Voters don’t care enough about it, and no thanks or support will be delivered unto the LDs for making it happen.

    2. We need to move on from the “long Blair” era when significant constitutional changes can be made just because a party has a majority in the Commons. A proper referendum is required.

    I think a possible exception to (2) might be voting in local government, where I think the LDs should *start* in order to give voters greater familiarity with PR in practice. But this is still not going to impress any voters. The LD need a clear and positive “win” that voters approve of.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440
    Applicant said:

    How many times has he won, not including the bullshit travesty of a ruling on prorogation?
    You sound like a Cybernat moaning like whores about a ruling the English (sIc) Supreme Court has yet to make.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,151

    The Lib Dem price to support Labour is said to be “electoral reform without referendum” according to Kevin Maguire in the New Statesman.

    That would be very stupid, if true.

    Blimey, they could not think of a better way to put potential swing voters off tactically voting for LibDems in Tory 1st/LD 2nd seats than wanting to change FPTP without a referendum imho.

    Tories will have a field day with this in GE campaign me thinks.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,132
    Carnyx said:

    Indeed. Innumerable Scots insults that are missing, much decreasing the board's power.
    These lads are pure fuds when it comes to insults.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,554

    The Lib Dem price to support Labour is said to be “electoral reform without referendum” according to Kevin Maguire in the New Statesman.

    That would be very stupid, if true.

    That would be completely sane - Labour given the current state of Scottish politics is not in a position to win an overall majority.

    It also means that the Tories will no longer get 80+ seat majorities on 43% of the vote.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Nigelb said:

    NEW on US policy on Turkish F16s: On the record from Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Celeste Wallander: "The US fully supports Turkey’s modernization plans for Turkey’s F-16 fleet...
    https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1542093892346077184

    That’s a big “Thank-You” for not vetoing Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,069
    MISTY said:

    Another determination that could be left to individual states is, apparently, same sex marriage.

    The way this is going, the way some states seem to be a million miles away from others in social outlook, you have to wonder whether in the end some sort of fracturing/secession might actually occur.

    Leaving same sex marriage to individual states is much more complex, because say you a gay Connecticut couple (as apparently most of them are), and you move to Utah, where gay marriage is illegal, then is your marriage recognized?

    What about your gay marriage as regards federal treatment of benefits to spouses?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Applicant said:

    And what our politics really needs right now is a period of instability lasting 10 to 15 years...
    Thought THAT was the reason for promoting Boris Johnson to Con Leader & PM in the first place?

    Or is that simply logical inference?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417

    The Lib Dem price to support Labour is said to be “electoral reform without referendum” according to Kevin Maguire in the New Statesman.

    That would be very stupid, if true.

    If it hadn't been for Prescott's noisy objections, then Blair would've enacted some sort of PR, along the lines of the Jenkins recommendations!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440
    edited June 2022
    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    Edit - I've remembered how 'easy' it is to get in and out of Silverstone on race weekend, dilemma over.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,657
    The Lib Dems have named their price for a post-election deal with Labour: electoral reform without a referendum.

    Great scoop in @Kevin_Maguire's Commons Confidential. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2022/06/tories-panic-liberal-democrats-labour-coalition
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Thanks for engaging.
    Stupid for a couple of reasons.

    1. Voters don’t care enough about it, and no thanks or support will be delivered unto the LDs for making it happen.

    2. We need to move on from the “long Blair” era when significant constitutional changes can be made just because a party has a majority in the Commons. A proper referendum is required.

    I think a possible exception to (2) might be voting in local government, where I think the LDs should *start* in order to give voters greater familiarity with PR in practice. But this is still not going to impress any voters. The LD need a clear and positive “win” that voters approve of.
    Lords reform could be a winner. Voting lebedev and mone out of jobs would be almost as satisfying as voting Johnson out
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848

    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    Edit - I've remembered how 'easy' it is to get in and out of Silverstone on race weekend, dilemma over.

    Caesar's wife and all that.
  • .

    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    Edit - I've remembered how 'easy' it is to get in and out of Silverstone on race weekend, dilemma over.

    Take the crypto-sponsors money hospitality, but then give them nothing back in return and don't further their agenda afterwards. Hospitality isn't meant to have a quid pro quo anyway, and if you take it and don't give them one, then it means they're not using their ill-gotten funds to get one from someone else.

    Dilemma resolved.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    The man who wishes to be tampon has changed his outlook after being caught.

    The Prince of Wales will no longer accept large cash donations for his charities, a senior royal source has said, after Charles faced criticism over claims he received €3m from a billionaire Qatari sheikh reportedly stuffed in a small suitcase and Fortnum & Mason carrier bag.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/29/prince-charles-will-no-longer-accept-large-cash-donations-for-charities?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Am still amazed that running around with steamer trunks stuffed with cash from God-knows-where-or-whom is NOT primae facie evidence of money laundering in UK? Or at least grounds for serious investigation into whys & wherefores?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,657

    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    @ahcastor @davidgerard 1974 UK children's programme Bagpuss explains the entire crypto economy in under 3 minutes. https://youtu.be/tFODN3Md-us?t=605
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    edited June 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lords reform could be a winner. Voting lebedev and mone out of jobs would be almost as satisfying as voting Johnson out
    Lords reform and PR in local elections would be a very good start.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969

    Lords reform and PR in local elections would be a very good start.
    It's encouraging that Burnham, despite being a Labour tribalist, seems finally to be working out some of this stuff for himself.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lords reform could be a winner. Voting
    lebedev and mone out of jobs would be almost as satisfying as voting Johnson
    out
    I don’t think it wise to rush into these things.

    Personally I am against an elected Upper House as it would completely unbalance the existing settlement, although I do wish to see the end of the hereditaries and the end of party leader patronage.

    In any case, I still don’t think the average voter gives a toss, and I struggle to think why the LDs would “start here”.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    edited June 2022
    Re PMQs — hard to see Raab "knocked it out of the park". Some may have been misled by the noise of Tory barracking. It is interesting that this Conservative tactic is back, after Boris dropped it for a couple of years.

    As always, typing PMQs into Youtube's search box finds several replays.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,151

    Thanks for engaging.
    Stupid for a couple of reasons.

    1. Voters don’t care enough about it, and no thanks or support will be delivered unto the LDs for making it happen.

    2. We need to move on from the “long Blair” era when significant constitutional changes can be made just because a party has a majority in the Commons. A proper referendum is required.

    I think a possible exception to (2) might be voting in local government, where I think the LDs should *start* in order to give voters greater familiarity with PR in practice. But this is still not going to impress any voters. The LD need a clear and positive “win” that voters approve of.
    Absolutely agree on PR for local government. This should be Libs priority. Combined with major devolution of more power from Westminster to local councils.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Am still amazed that running around with steamer trunks stuffed with cash from God-knows-where-or-whom is NOT primae facie evidence of money laundering in UK? Or at least grounds for serious investigation into whys & wherefores?
    It is. But being a sheik rebuts the presumption
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    edited June 2022

    Blimey, they could not think of a better way to put potential swing voters off tactically voting for LibDems in Tory 1st/LD 2nd seats than wanting to change FPTP without a referendum imho.

    Tories will have a field day with this in GE campaign me thinks.
    Yep, that’s another reason.
    It’s likely a swing voter turnoff in the Blue Wall.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417

    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    Edit - I've remembered how 'easy' it is to get in and out of Silverstone on race weekend, dilemma over.

    Granddaughter Three is going to Silverstone as part of her work experience! (I think.)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2022

    You sound like a Cybernat moaning like whores about a ruling the English (sIc) Supreme Court has yet to make.
    I refer you to the words of Mr Justice Swift:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/The-Queen-on-the-application-of-1-Good-Law-Project-2-Runnymede-Trust-v-1-Prime-Minister-SSHSC-judgment.pdf

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/02/17/the-good-law-projects-latest-suit-fails-in-its-entirety-should-they-not-be-obliged-to-say-so/

    ”The idea that the GLP might, for all its pretensions, be a grubby political operation will probably not come as a surprise to many readers. And if it is misrepresenting its track record, that does raise interesting questions about the law governing crowd-funding.

    “But the ruling also poses a more direct danger to their entire model. In parts 55-59, the court takes a cold, hard look at the question of whether or not the GLP actually has the ‘standing’ that would allow it to even bring a suit – and concludes that “the Runnymede Trust has standing to bring the public sector equality duty challenge, but the Good Law Project does not.” (Par 59.)

    “In the course of so doing, the judges explicitly attack the idea that any individual or private company, “even with a sincere interest in public law issues, would be regarded as
    having standing in all cases” (par 57), and state that “it cannot be supposed that the GLP now has carte blanche to bring any claim for judicial review no matter what the issues and no matter what the circumstances.” (Par 58).

    “Yet that is, at root, precisely its modus operandi. If Maugham and co can’t keep finding legitimate litigants to piggyback on, their ability to keep generating even defeats to spin might be in serious doubt.


    That’s damn close to declaring Jolyon to be a vexatious litigant.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440

    Re PMQs — hard to see Raab "knocked it out of the park". Some may have been misled by the noise of Tory barracking. It is interesting that this Conservative tactic is back, after Boris dropped it for a couple of years.

    I've just seen Raab's opera comments, what a cockwomble, especially as the target is a working class Northerner.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    Andy_JS said:

    I put £20 on Emma Raducanu at 50/1 before the tournament started. Seemed like a value bet. She's already 20/1.

    Raducanu is back out to 40/1 after losing the first set. 9/4 to win the match.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Emma 1 set down
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    Absolutely agree on PR for local government.
    This should be Libs priority. Combined with major devolution of more power from Westminster to local councils.
    Absolutely.
    But the LDs need something eye-catching.
    Like the abolition of interest on student debt, or some popular green measure (what?).
    Or all of the above.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124

    I've just seen Raab's opera comments, what a cockwomble, especially as the target is a working class Northerner.
    He really is a cock-wrangler of the first water.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    Leaving same sex marriage to individual states is much more complex, because say you a gay Connecticut couple (as apparently most of them are), and you move to Utah, where gay marriage is illegal, then is your marriage recognized?

    What about your gay marriage as regards federal treatment of benefits to spouses?
    I mean, to send same sex marriage back to the states involves blowing up the Full Faith and Credit provision.

    So...... I can totally see this court doing that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,206

    The Lib Dem price to support Labour is said to be “electoral reform without referendum” according to Kevin Maguire in the New Statesman.

    That would be very stupid, if true.

    I favour changing from FPTP but this I think is daft. I cannot see a large chunk of labour MPs supporting it and a major constitutional change without a referendum just sits wrong. Also implies they think they wouldn’t win.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,589
    kjh said:

    You appear to want to appease terrorists and ignore democrats. If I were to successfully carry out a coup, making myself supreme leader would that be ok with you?
    The Good Friday Agreement effectively did appease terrorists and even put them in government to achieve peace after decades of conflict.

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,206

    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    Edit - I've remembered how 'easy' it is to get in and out of Silverstone on race weekend, dilemma over.

    @BartholomewRoberts is right. Take it. Do them no favours.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,589
    edited June 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Leaving same sex marriage to individual states is much more complex, because say you a gay Connecticut couple (as apparently most of them are), and you move to Utah, where gay marriage is illegal, then is your marriage recognized?

    What about your gay marriage as regards federal treatment of benefits to spouses?
    As I said earlier this week why on earth would a gay couple move to Utah or say the deep South, which is where the states most likely to have majorities against gay marriage will be?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    HYUFD said:

    As I said earlier this week why on earth would a gay couple move to Utah or say the deep South, which is where the states most likely to have majorities against gay marriage will be?
    What about the ones already there?
    What about the ones who have no choice (who move, say, to look after an ailing parent?).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,589
    Scott_xP said:

    The Lib Dems have named their price for a post-election deal with Labour: electoral reform without a referendum.

    Great scoop in @Kevin_Maguire's Commons Confidential. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2022/06/tories-panic-liberal-democrats-labour-coalition

    No surprise as it would mean the LDs would almost always be in government and the Tories and Labour would almost never get a majority.

    No surprise either Farage backs PR as UKIP would have been Kingmakers in 2015 with PR and even on current polls ReformUK would win about 15 to 20 MPs with PR
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Re: allegation that Boris & Carrie were interrupted during some extremely-close consultation in his office, years ago a former boss told me this story:

    He was an aide to a congressman, and accompanied HIS boss to a scheduled appointment with a top committee chair, in the latter's office. When they arrived, the receptionist told them the committee chair was in another meeting, and asked them to wait in a small waiting area.

    After about ten minutes, the visiting Representative got antsy (he was like that) got up and said (I paraphrase) where the hell is this guy anyway? Then proceeded to open a door that appeared to lead deeper into the Chairman's office suite.

    When the visitor and aide entered the next room, they found the Chairman fucking a woman on top of his desk.

    Thinking quickly, they both backed out of the room and closed the door. And about 5 minutes later, the receptionist came in and announced, the Chairman is ready to see you now.

    Naturally, nobody said a word about what had just transpired. No doubt same with "alleged" Boris & Carrie "conference"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Good news - I've been offered complimentary corporate tickets for the Grand Prix this weekend by a McLaren sponsor.

    Bad news - It is from one their crypto sponsors.

    I'm on the horns of an ethical dilemma.

    Edit - I've remembered how 'easy' it is to get in and out of Silverstone on race weekend, dilemma over.

    It’s easy if you have a helicopter transfer.

    (There used to be more aircraft movements at Silverstone than Heathrow, on the Sunday).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    HYUFD said:

    The Good Friday Agreement effectively did appease terrorists and even put them in government to achieve peace after decades of conflict.

    The issue was of course that they were terrorists on both sides! Are you suggesting there will be Unionist terrorists as well as Nationalist ones in Scotland? (Or should that be vice versa?)
    Or that civil unrest is essential before independence is granted?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    As I said earlier this week why on earth would a gay couple move to Utah or say the deep South, which is where the states most likely to have majorities against gay marriage will be?
    Because you thought they'd like clean cut Mormons.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,060
    Carnyx said:

    Because you thought they'd like clean cut Mormons.
    Are Mormons circumcised?

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,546
    HYUFD said:

    As I said earlier this week why on earth would a gay couple move to Utah or say the deep South, which is where the states most likely to have majorities against gay marriage will be?
    The weather?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    As I said earlier this week why on earth would a gay couple move to Utah or say the deep South, which is where the states most likely to have majorities against gay marriage will be?
    Well, hyufd, gay people are much more like other people than you would think. So your question is no different from, why would anyone move to Utah or the deep South? They aren't solely motivated by the cruising opportunities especially if ex hypothesi they are a couple
  • Will Carrie be taking the oral evidence?
    Taking depositions...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Other US electoral action from last night:

    SOUTH CAROLINA Democratic runoff for US Senate
    > Krystal Matthews 56% giving her right to run against incumbent GOPer & fellow Black US Sen Tim Scott, who is 99.46% favorite for re-election in this Fall.

    MISSISSIPPI Republican runoffs for US House
    > in MS CD3 incumbent Michael Guest 66% despite supporting 1/6 committee investigation, versus a full-blown Putinist
    > in MS CD4, ethically challenged incumbent Steve Palazzo loses with 46% v law enforcement officer Mike Ezell 54%
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    IshmaelZ said:

    It is. But being a sheik rebuts the presumption
    Would think it would underscore the presumption!
  • TresTres Posts: 2,782
    HYUFD said:

    As I said earlier this week why on earth would a gay couple move to Utah or say the deep South, which is where the states most likely to have majorities against gay marriage will be?
    You have absolutely no capacity for imagination do you?
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