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Nine months of Johnson exit betting turbulence – politicalbetting.com
One of the liveliest political betting markets over the last few months has been on which year Johnson will finally cease to be Prime Minister. As can be seen things have moved sharply and there is is at the moment no real consensus about went when he is going to go go.
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Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?0
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Betting against a Johnson 2022 departure has proved profitable so far (on trades, with more to come if he does make it to next year).
I see this as simply compensation for his continued presence - I'd be happy to lose my 'Johnson makes it to next year' bonus
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All the possible years are coming together
Has quantum mechanics now taken over the thread header too?0 -
He’s in stepmom territory.IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.1 -
Hes ruled himself out of running (for what that is worth)IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
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A classic lay-the-favourite market.
(For a while, I’ve thought Conference 2023 as to when he’d be replaced, maybe that’s now a little late)1 -
Normally Raab is ridiculed on here for being thick and uselessIshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
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Both would lose their seats to the LDs on current pollsTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s in stepmom territory.IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.0 -
Johnson would just appoint new Cabinet ministers if some walked out0
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PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
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I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
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He’s up against Angela Rayner, we’re in tallest dwarf territory.NerysHughes said:
Normally Raab is ridiculed on here for being thick and uselessIshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
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I seldom swear but when I do it usually is off the charts, something likeBlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
‘You cock juggling thunder twat’0 -
Hunt would not lose his seat on any current polling.HYUFD said:
Both would lose their seats to the LDs on current pollsTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s in stepmom territory.IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.0 -
I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
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He says he's going to get an amp on a rickshaw and make even more noise.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
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Politically correct as normal @TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s up against Angela Rayner, we’re in tallest dwarf territory.NerysHughes said:
Normally Raab is ridiculed on here for being thick and uselessIshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
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I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
I’m just a plain speaking Northerner.kjh said:
Politically correct as normal @TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s up against Angela Rayner, we’re in tallest dwarf territory.NerysHughes said:
Normally Raab is ridiculed on here for being thick and uselessIshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
No sugar coating it, you can’t change us.
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Rather proving the police's point.BlancheLivermore said:
He says he's going to get an amp on a rickshaw and make even more noise.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
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I approve. Made me laugh.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m just a plain speaking Northerner.kjh said:
Politically correct as normal @TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s up against Angela Rayner, we’re in tallest dwarf territory.NerysHughes said:
Normally Raab is ridiculed on here for being thick and uselessIshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
No sugar coating it, you can’t change us.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
Maybe but that does not mean ordinary tories will not like it...1 -
surprised ass-ass is so highBlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.0 -
Given the way the Blue Wall is crumbling I wouldn’t be so sure.MISTY said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
Maybe but that does not mean ordinary tories will not like it...
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if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
Maybe picking up assassin?Tres said:
surprised ass-ass is so highBlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.2 -
False detection with "assassin"?Tres said:
surprised ass-ass is so highBlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.3 -
Yes, I have an all-green on this market via that approach. The fact that he'll say and do anything, anything at all, to stay in place, and won't resign under any circumstances, is enormously salient.Selebian said:Betting against a Johnson 2022 departure has proved profitable so far (on trades, with more to come if he does make it to next year).
I see this as simply compensation for his continued presence - I'd be happy to lose my 'Johnson makes it to next year' bonus-1 -
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
Shouldn’t we expect better of ordinary Tories?MISTY said:
Maybe but that does not mean ordinary tories will not like it...TheScreamingEagles said:
I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
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No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
The blue wall is crumbling because many tories are sitting on their hands.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the way the Blue Wall is crumbling I wouldn’t be so sure.MISTY said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
Maybe but that does not mean ordinary tories will not like it...
They are sitting on their hands because the current government favour high taxes, big government, over regulation and green dogma.
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Disappointingly American list though, where's cockwomble?BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.4 -
@HYUFD is right though. That is exactly what he will do. It will be another chink in his armour, but he has had so many already and is still there. Nobody else would have survived like Boris has.kinabalu said:
Course he would. These old rules - eg "the men in grey suits" - forget about them.HYUFD said:Johnson would just appoint new Cabinet ministers if some walked out
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From the tweet desk of Streeting
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1542104988121501697?t=8JNnW7ieMuPBDaZgwg6CVQ&s=19
Wes fangirling for Super Ange
Respondents not convinced.0 -
I have a particular fondness for ass-clown, which I think was coined in the excellent Mike Judge movie Office Space.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
The grid points to some potentially underused options, too, like wank-lord.
What a fantastic resource, thanks for sharing.2 -
Would you support some other protestors moving in alongside him using the same tactics for different causes, some of which you oppose? Has he a personal monopoly on the prime protesting position?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.1 -
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.1 -
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.0 -
I'm liking douche nozzle.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I have a particular fondness for ass-clown, which I think was coined in the excellent Mike Judge movie Office Space.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
The grid points to some potentially underused options, too, like wank-lord.
What a fantastic resource, thanks for sharing.1 -
He crossed the dick line some time ago.Sandpit said:
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.1 -
And have a liar for a PM.MISTY said:
The blue wall is crumbling because many tories are sitting on their hands.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the way the Blue Wall is crumbling I wouldn’t be so sure.MISTY said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
Maybe but that does not mean ordinary tories will not like it...
They are sitting on their hands because the current government favour high taxes, big government, over regulation and green dogma.
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Even dicks should have liberties though.Applicant said:
He crossed the dick line some time ago.Sandpit said:
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.
Having said that, noise pollution rules do exist, a business can require a licence or even consent from the Council to play music outside, so if he's using electronic equipment to magnify his voice I can see that possibly being an issue.
If he simply uses his own voice then there shouldn't be any restrictions. Even if that means Brian Blessed would be the best protestor ever.1 -
I know he did, but it’s still uncomfortable to see protestors treated in a heavy-handed way by the police outside Parliament.Applicant said:
He crossed the dick line some time ago.Sandpit said:
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.
Confiscating audio amplifiers sounds like a reasonable compromise in this case, he can still protest with his voice.
I would absolutely throw the book at the activists running onto motorways or airport runways though. That’s how innocent people end up killed or injured, and they could be charged with endangering life.4 -
Just landed at CDG. Customs queue for non-EU literally hundreds of yards (!) long. EU one had six people. Settling down for at least an hour's wait when they opened all the booths to everyone. Took 30 mins in the end. Just less than the time it took to get through security at LHR. Who'd fly.
Then again walked out the front at CDG, past the huge taxi queue and straight into an Uber. Arrived in zero minutes.
Holiday in August? Paris if you must but the Ile de Re is where the Parisians go.0 -
Yep, I'm agreeing with H (and you). It's a new politics with Boris Johnson. He's utterly unencumbered by ethics. Maybe if the whole cabinet walked out en masse from a meeting and did a live prime time joint press conference outside number 10, each of them in turn saying, "I can no longer serve under this dreadful dreadful PM", that might just possibly cause him to think about resigning, think about it just for an hour or so, before deciding instead to carry on for the sake of the British people and of course for Ukraine.kjh said:
@HYUFD is right though. That is exactly what he will do. It will be another chink in his armour, but he has had so many already and is still there. Nobody else would have survived like Boris has.kinabalu said:
Course he would. These old rules - eg "the men in grey suits" - forget about them.HYUFD said:Johnson would just appoint new Cabinet ministers if some walked out
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Although almost every PM ever has had disgruntled ex Cabinet Ministers, or seen Cabinet Ministers walk out.kinabalu said:
Yep, I'm agreeing with H (and you). It's a new politics with Boris Johnson. He's utterly unencumbered by ethics. Maybe if the whole cabinet walked out en masse from a meeting and did a live prime time joint press conference outside number 10, each of them in turn saying, "I can no longer serve under this dreadful dreadful PM", that might just possibly cause him to think about resigning, think about it just for an hour or so, before deciding instead to carry on for the sake of the British people and of course for Ukraine.kjh said:
@HYUFD is right though. That is exactly what he will do. It will be another chink in his armour, but he has had so many already and is still there. Nobody else would have survived like Boris has.kinabalu said:
Course he would. These old rules - eg "the men in grey suits" - forget about them.HYUFD said:Johnson would just appoint new Cabinet ministers if some walked out
May would have gone much, much sooner if "the men in grey suits" actually existed, or Cabinet resignations led to PM resignations.1 -
What if no MP at all was prepared to serve in his cabinet? Inconceivable, of course, but it would be funnykinabalu said:
Yep, I'm agreeing with H (and you). It's a new politics with Boris Johnson. He's utterly unencumbered by ethics. Maybe if the whole cabinet walked out en masse from a meeting and did a live prime time joint press conference outside number 10, each of them in turn saying, "I can no longer serve under this dreadful dreadful PM", that might just possibly cause him to think about resigning, think about it just for an hour or so, before deciding instead to carry on for the sake of the British people and of course for Ukraine.kjh said:
@HYUFD is right though. That is exactly what he will do. It will be another chink in his armour, but he has had so many already and is still there. Nobody else would have survived like Boris has.kinabalu said:
Course he would. These old rules - eg "the men in grey suits" - forget about them.HYUFD said:Johnson would just appoint new Cabinet ministers if some walked out
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If it ever got that far, I could easily see Boris emulating Corbyn's 4 day reshuffle.kjh said:
@HYUFD is right though. That is exactly what he will do. It will be another chink in his armour, but he has had so many already and is still there. Nobody else would have survived like Boris has.kinabalu said:
Course he would. These old rules - eg "the men in grey suits" - forget about them.HYUFD said:Johnson would just appoint new Cabinet ministers if some walked out
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Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?
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Indeed.MarqueeMark said:
And have a liar for a PM.MISTY said:
The blue wall is crumbling because many tories are sitting on their hands.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the way the Blue Wall is crumbling I wouldn’t be so sure.MISTY said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I know a few Tory/Brexit inclined lawyers who have been through the bill of rights.MISTY said:IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
Raab is introducing the Bill of Rights which will give him some big momentum. I think its a bill ordinary tories will like.
Problem? E&W has become a marginal on his watch.
It’s terrible, it’s got so much ambiguity in it, and seems desperate to not acknowledge the ECHR may have some excellent rulings in the past.
Maybe but that does not mean ordinary tories will not like it...
They are sitting on their hands because the current government favour high taxes, big government, over regulation and green dogma.
Laughable that @MISTY focuses on the lack of true neoliberal policies as the reason why nice, comfortable, affluent, socially-liberal, erstwhile Tory voters in the leafy home counties are sitting on their hands rather than voting for this omnishambles of a government led by a lazy lying shit.
Lurch to the right @MISTY - that'll fix it!0 -
Some good opportunities there to popularise little-known combinations. I like "Trumpnozzle" and "Wankclown".BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.0 -
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
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@Malcolmg HOUSEalgarkirk said:
Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?2 -
I am old enough to remember the area of Parliament as something other than a fortress and when Downing Street was a short cut everyone could use from Whitehall to St James Park. We have paid a heavy price for public protest.Sandpit said:
I know he did, but it’s still uncomfortable to see protestors treated in a heavy-handed way by the police outside Parliament.Applicant said:
He crossed the dick line some time ago.Sandpit said:
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.
Confiscating audio amplifiers sounds like a reasonable compromise in this case, he can still protest with his voice.
I would absolutely throw the book at the activists running onto motorways or airport runways though. That’s how innocent people end up killed or injured, and they could be charged with endangering life.
The best protest is argument, organisation and votes.
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It's obviously very American, hence 'ass', 'lib'(!), 'hard', and 'butt'algarkirk said:
Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?0 -
Indeed. Innumerable Scots insults that are missing, much decreasing the board's power.Benpointer said:
It's obviously very American, hence 'ass', 'lib'(!), 'hard', and 'butt'algarkirk said:
Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?1 -
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
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And "trumptard", which betrays a major lack of imagination.Benpointer said:
It's obviously very American, hence 'ass', 'lib'(!), 'hard', and 'butt'algarkirk said:
Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?0 -
Gonna need a bigger grid.Carnyx said:
Indeed. Innumerable Scots insults that are missing, much decreasing the board's power.Benpointer said:
It's obviously very American, hence 'ass', 'lib'(!), 'hard', and 'butt'algarkirk said:
Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?3 -
What kind of perverted weirdo have you got to be to oppose feeding babies?
How is it possible to be so distanced from the better angels of our nature?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-619777542 -
+1Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
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Surrey SW needs a 7% swing from 2019 to go LD, the Tory voteshare is down 10% in some polls.wooliedyed said:
Hunt would not lose his seat on any current polling.HYUFD said:
Both would lose their seats to the LDs on current pollsTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s in stepmom territory.IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
The LDs already control the local council with Residents' groups0 -
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
Especially with the Scots up-to-quintuple diminutive, that's another 25 there.Benpointer said:
Gonna need a bigger grid.Carnyx said:
Indeed. Innumerable Scots insults that are missing, much decreasing the board's power.Benpointer said:
It's obviously very American, hence 'ass', 'lib'(!), 'hard', and 'butt'algarkirk said:
Dirthat and trumpgoblin deserve wider recognition.BlancheLivermore said:PBers may find this chart showing frequency of compound pejoratives useful for describing the PM.
I'm warming to cock-goblin and twat-waffle as new insults.
BTW is this just a record of PB Scots Nats supporting insults or are others included?0 -
Public access to Downing Street was restricted largely due to the threat from the IRA (who nevertheless managed to launch a mortar attack in 1991).algarkirk said:
I am old enough to remember the area of Parliament as something other than a fortress and when Downing Street was a short cut everyone could use from Whitehall to St James Park. We have paid a heavy price for public protest.Sandpit said:
I know he did, but it’s still uncomfortable to see protestors treated in a heavy-handed way by the police outside Parliament.Applicant said:
He crossed the dick line some time ago.Sandpit said:
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.
Confiscating audio amplifiers sounds like a reasonable compromise in this case, he can still protest with his voice.
I would absolutely throw the book at the activists running onto motorways or airport runways though. That’s how innocent people end up killed or injured, and they could be charged with endangering life.
The best protest is argument, organisation and votes.
It was not a result of the likes of Mr Bray.1 -
You mean, like you are doing with NI?HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
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Absolute rubbish!algarkirk said:
I am old enough to remember the area of Parliament as something other than a fortress and when Downing Street was a short cut everyone could use from Whitehall to St James Park. We have paid a heavy price for public protest.Sandpit said:
I know he did, but it’s still uncomfortable to see protestors treated in a heavy-handed way by the police outside Parliament.Applicant said:
He crossed the dick line some time ago.Sandpit said:
MPs are fair game to shout at in the street outside Parliament, in a democratic society.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Harassing their families, or protestesting their house is past the line though.
Those working or going about their lawful business in the vicinity of Parliament, on the other hand, have a right to work free of harrasment or intimidation.
As usual, it comes down to “don’t be a dick”.
Confiscating audio amplifiers sounds like a reasonable compromise in this case, he can still protest with his voice.
I would absolutely throw the book at the activists running onto motorways or airport runways though. That’s how innocent people end up killed or injured, and they could be charged with endangering life.
The best protest is argument, organisation and votes.
Enjoying being boiled like a frog?
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Clubs is where it's at. Vide Catalonia.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
You are about as much a plain speaking Northerner as the Duke of Northumberland!TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m just a plain speaking Northerner.kjh said:
Politically correct as normal @TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s up against Angela Rayner, we’re in tallest dwarf territory.NerysHughes said:
Normally Raab is ridiculed on here for being thick and uselessIshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
No sugar coating it, you can’t change us.0 -
I remember when we used to look over at them and disapprove.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.1 -
NEW: Whether it's London or Kigali, rowing with the royals or his party, Johnson appears unrepentant, unreflective.
After the Prince Charles debacle an aide to the PM said he had limited time to spend on “humouring men in tights.”
Johnson's grand tour: https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-nato-g7-love-world-stage/1 -
Why bother with the French as a comparison? I'll concede the suppression of protest in the UK is not as bad as it is in Russia or China. So that's all fine then.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
You accept that NI should have a border poll if a majority wants it. Why not Scotland?HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
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We're on a sliding scale it seems, and it's so easy to find oneself at the right hand end.Benpointer said:
Why bother with the French as a comparison? I'll concede the suppression of protest in the UK is not as bad as it is in Russia or China. So that's all fine then.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
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As the GFA does not apply to Scotland, the Scotland Act 1998 reserves the future of the Union to WestminsterTOPPING said:
You accept that NI should have a border poll if a majority wants it. Why not Scotland?HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
Ruling out indyref2 is a mild response0 -
I know Brexiteers have lowered expectations for the UK but we should all unite and aspire to being better than the French.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.
Being as bad/worse than the French is treasonous talk.1 -
So it needs a larger swing than current polling (it requires 7.8% swing actually)HYUFD said:
Surrey SW needs a 7% swing to go LD, the Tory voteshare is already down 10% in some polls.wooliedyed said:
Hunt would not lose his seat on any current polling.HYUFD said:
Both would lose their seats to the LDs on current pollsTheScreamingEagles said:
He’s in stepmom territory.IshmaelZ said:Raab looking very dangerous at PMQ but I think loses his seat next GE?
He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
The LDs already control the local council with Residents' groups
You said 'both would lose their seats on current polling'
That is inaccurate. Hunt would not lose his seat based on current polling. Facts are facts.0 -
NEW on US policy on Turkish F16s: On the record from Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Celeste Wallander: "The US fully supports Turkey’s modernization plans for Turkey’s F-16 fleet...
https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/15420938923460771840 -
Good.Scott_xP said:NEW: Whether it's London or Kigali, rowing with the royals or his party, Johnson appears unrepentant, unreflective.
After the Prince Charles debacle an aide to the PM said he had limited time to spend on “humouring men in tights.”
Johnson's grand tour: https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-nato-g7-love-world-stage/
Boris should go, but our unelected monarchs have no role to play in overriding policies that Parliament has approved. Charles should butt out of politics, if he doesn't then hopefully he'll be removed from office like the original Charles - although he should be retired rather than reaching the same grizzly fate.0 -
Fair point.
Angela Rayner says it's ironic that the Speaker has to intervene to stop the "mob" of Conservative MPs shouting her down in the House of Commons, while the government brings in a law to stop people noisily protesting against them outside.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/15421043553981931571 -
Come off it, no-one is stopping Steve Bray protesting as much as he likes. What they are stopping him from doing is making an infernal noise all the time. Given that he's been at it every day for years, a quite remarkable, one might say excessive, amount of patience has been shown him.Benpointer said:
Why bother with the French as a comparison? I'll concede the suppression of protest in the UK is not as bad as it is in Russia or China. So that's all fine then.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.6 -
Oddly, direct rule was just what you were advocating on the previous thread. You weren’t kidding when you said Franco was your role model.HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
Ruling out indyref2 is a mild response0 -
Louisville is not a part of the United Kingdom.HYUFD said:
As the GFA does not apply to Scotland, the Scotland Act 1998 reserves the future of the Union to WestminsterTOPPING said:
You accept that NI should have a border poll if a majority wants it. Why not Scotland?HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
Ruling out indyref2 is a mild response
So what.
If you accept that NI has the right under certain conditions to vote for "independence" then you must support Scotland's right also.1 -
This is brilliant.
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If my post implied any approval of the French, it was entirely unintentional.Daveyboy1961 said:
I remember when we used to look over at them and disapprove.BlancheLivermore said:
We're allegedly in the same club as the Nazis now; whose club are the French in with their protestor thrashing Gendarmerie?Benpointer said:
So what?BlancheLivermore said:
Do you think that the Gendarmes would have let him do the same outside the Palais Bourbon?Daveyboy1961 said:
No, he's calling out the duplicity and corruption of certain members of the parliament perfectly legally. I suppose you're pleased for the UK to be a member of the same club as Nazi Germany? North Korea? Russia?Applicant said:
It's fair game to abuse people for years because he's a sad bitter twunt who can't accept that he lost?Daveyboy1961 said:
if you mean the clip of him harassing the MP. They are fair game. What the clip doesn't show is that he stopped as soon as the family arrived. Typical tory truth editing.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m so torn by this.Daveyboy1961 said:I notice Steve Brey has had his equipment in Parliament Square stolen by the police and received a court summons for protesting. What a country we live in now.
I’m in favour of the right to protest yet his protests go too far on occasions.
I’ve seen him harass MPs having drinks/food with their families.0 -
Charles isn't in office yet as monarch and has overriden no policies, merely commented as Prince of Wales. He told Jonathan Dimbleby when interviewed as King he would act differently than as Prince and in the Queen’s Speech read out the Government's proposed legislation without commentBartholomewRoberts said:
Good.Scott_xP said:NEW: Whether it's London or Kigali, rowing with the royals or his party, Johnson appears unrepentant, unreflective.
After the Prince Charles debacle an aide to the PM said he had limited time to spend on “humouring men in tights.”
Johnson's grand tour: https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-nato-g7-love-world-stage/
Boris should go, but our unelected monarchs have no role to play in overriding policies that Parliament has approved. Charles should butt out of politics, if he doesn't then hopefully he'll be removed from office like the original Charles - although he should be retired rather than reaching the same grizzly fate.0 -
I trust the algorithm replied 'You're welcome, have a nice day'.TheScreamingEagles said:This is brilliant.
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My mum would always use please and thank you with AlexaTheScreamingEagles said:This is brilliant.
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Protester @snb19692 reckons he’s found a loophole https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1542097600186392577/video/1Richard_Nabavi said:Come off it, no-one is stopping Steve Bray protesting as much as he likes. What they are stopping him from doing is making an infernal noise all the time. Given that he's been at it every day for years, a quite remarkable, one might say excessive, amount of patience has been shown him.
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No I don't as Scotland does not have the history of terrorism NI does plus it has already had one once a generation independence referendumTOPPING said:
Louisville is not a part of the United Kingdom.HYUFD said:
As the GFA does not apply to Scotland, the Scotland Act 1998 reserves the future of the Union to WestminsterTOPPING said:
You accept that NI should have a border poll if a majority wants it. Why not Scotland?HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
Ruling out indyref2 is a mild response
So what.
If you accept that NI has the right under certain conditions to vote for "independence" then you must support Scotland's right also.0 -
She must be careful though. It's like those cake decorations which literally reproduce the instructions.Richard_Nabavi said:
I trust the algorithm replied 'You're welcome, have a nice day'.TheScreamingEagles said:This is brilliant.
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What kind of a jackass would go out of their way to harass a nursing mother breastfeeding her baby INSIDE HER OWN CAR?algarkirk said:What kind of perverted weirdo have you got to be to oppose feeding babies?
How is it possible to be so distanced from the better angels of our nature?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-61977754
Talk about "inappropriate"! Sounds more like "actionable" to me - on the part of the mom.1 -
Using @HYUFD methods of calculation, only 12.7% of the Scottish population voted Conservative at the last GE, so the Tories have absolutely no mandate in Scotland.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
For avoidance of doubt, everyone who did not vote, or was ineligible to vote, are counted in the anti Conservative column. That’s how it works, isn’t it?0 -
If Sturgeon tried UDI as she for now has ruled out then yes direct rule would be inevitable, at least temporarilyStuartDickson said:
Oddly, direct rule was just what you were advocating on the previous thread. You weren’t kidding when you said Franco was your role model.HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
Ruling out indyref2 is a mild response0 -
Because it had one recently and said No, and Scots voters in 2014 deserve some proper respect, like EU Ref voters in 2016.TOPPING said:
You accept that NI should have a border poll if a majority wants it. Why not Scotland?HYUFD said:
No, if we really wanted to do that we would scrap Holyrood and impose direct rule from Westminster having evicted Scottish MPs.StuartDickson said:
Definition of rule with a rod of ironHYUFD said:
No they won't. 71% of Scots don't want an indyref2 in 2023.Mexicanpete said:
But it doesn't really work like that.HYUFD said:
They can't if they have no vote. Madrid has successfully refused an official independence referendum for 5 years in Catalonia, indeed in 2017 it not only refused to recognise the Catalan independence referendum, it imposed temporary direct rule and the arrest was ordered of nationalist leaders for sedition, forcing many into exile.Mexicanpete said:
I am not convinced at your second paragraph. Telling the Scottish people (well any people for that matter) that they can't have something is most likely to make them want to double down against the denyers. People who don't want to vote indy could well end up doing so out of sheer bloody-mindedness.HYUFD said:
It is 50/50 at the moment and even if it was won the SNP would demand another referendum the UK government having been so weak as to allow an indyref2 before a generation had elapsed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have just published that and you repeat it for some strange reasonHYUFD said:
All the government said was "Our position remains unchanged that both ours and the Scottish Government's priority should be working together with a relentless focus on the issues that we know matter to people up and down the country.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, anywhere. If he did then he would lose a VONC and be removed straight awayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Report tonight Boris may allow indyref2 and to be honest it would be the right thing to doHYUFD said:
Starmer forms a minority government with the LDs on those numbers and also ignores the SNP beyond a Brown commission on devomaxRandallFlagg said:So, suppose the SNP do plan on using the 2024 GE as a plebiscite for indy, if Boris and the Supreme Court say no...
We get the following result:
Labour - 283
Con - 275
SNP - 48
Lib Dems - 20
What does Starmer do? What does Sturgeon do?
"That remains our priority, but a decision has been taken by the First Minister, so we will carefully study the details of the proposal, and the Supreme Court will now consider whether to accept the Scottish Government's Lord Advocate referral".
Why are you so scared of a vote that is winnable
No, this Tory government must go full hardcore Madrid Catalonia 2017 if needed, no official indyref2 allowed under any circumstance whatsoever and Unionists to boycott any wildcat referendum
On the other hand Johnson needs to be careful as the vote, whilst he remains PM, will be on a knife- edge. He could become the PM who both did Brexit, and did for the Union.
Nothing must be off the table in order to take on the SNP
P*ss people off, particularly Scottish people, and they will punish you. Scottish Labour is your salutory lesson here.
As for your tanks on the Royal Mile, forget it, that will never happen.
https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/post/new-poll-only-29-support-indyref2-in-2023
The UK government can and must stand up to Sturgeon, Westminster and Westminster alone has the final say on the Union and that is from the very legislation that set up Holyrood.
Scottish Labour was weak, the SNP must be dealt with with a rod of iron
: to rule a country, area, group, etc., in a very strict and often cruel way The dictator ruled (the country) with a rod of iron.
(Miriam Webster)
You FUDHY are a very odd little man. Do you have a neat little moustache, intimacy issues and a desire for Lebensraum?
Ruling out indyref2 is a mild response
The Scottish generation born in Ref year of 2014 is still in primary school. Give them a chance.
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