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I like the constant reporting of 52.6 and 47.4
Rounding the usual way (making it 53 and 47) would be much more boring than the current 'all the same headline'.0 -
Cupcakes showing Yes, No and Undecided were sold at Cuckoo's Bakery, Dundas Street, Edinburgh. In the informal poll 47.7% bought No cupcakes, 43.5% bought Yes and a further 8.8% bought undecided decorated cakes.
If it is that close in the New Town of Edinburgh then Bitter Together are about to get a right royal shafting.0 -
At last, a poster who's met malcolmg.jayfdee said:Ah,Dundee. I was there last year and popped into Weatherspoons one lunch time. It was a truly depressing experience,filled with middle aged men drinking copious pints of beer,they had them lined up on the table in front of them,and were drinking at a rate of 1 every 10 minutes or so.
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Note sure you can take Inverclyde as representative of Glasgow. Inverclyde is truly depressing place, no students and no middle class. The only similarity is that both vote Labour.Barnesian said:
Andy - My take based, on your spreadsheet, is that we'll know by 2.30am when the results are in for Inverclyde. Whichever way Inverclyde votes, that's the way the total vote will go. And that result will be long before neighbouring Glasgow.AndyJS said:
My take is Yes can't win unless Glasgow goes Yes. If Glasgow is 50/50 No wins by 2 to 5 points.SeanT said:
How the F do they know about regional changes?Scott_P said:@BethRigby: Paddy Power says 3 out of 4 cities look set to vote No.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen odds moving to No. Dundee likely to go Yes
#scotref
I'd like to believe it's true as if Glasgae, Edinboro and Aberdeen all go NO then NO must very likely win.
But I am deeply suspicious of their info. Who or what is their source?
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/scotland-goes-full-scottish-2014091790696
Daily Mash obviously been reading Malcolm G's posts -apologies if posted already.0 -
No middle class in Inverclyde??? What on earth are you talking about? There are several very well-to-do patches in Inverclyde. In fact, it used to be something of a Scottish Liberal Democrat stronghold, which is always an indicator of significant middle class demographics.hamiltonace said:
Note sure you can take Inverclyde as representative of Glasgow. Inverclyde is truly depressing place, no students and no middle class. The only similarity is that both vote Labour.Barnesian said:
Andy - My take based, on your spreadsheet, is that we'll know by 2.30am when the results are in for Inverclyde. Whichever way Inverclyde votes, that's the way the total vote will go. And that result will be long before neighbouring Glasgow.AndyJS said:
My take is Yes can't win unless Glasgow goes Yes. If Glasgow is 50/50 No wins by 2 to 5 points.SeanT said:
How the F do they know about regional changes?Scott_P said:@BethRigby: Paddy Power says 3 out of 4 cities look set to vote No.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen odds moving to No. Dundee likely to go Yes
#scotref
I'd like to believe it's true as if Glasgae, Edinboro and Aberdeen all go NO then NO must very likely win.
But I am deeply suspicious of their info. Who or what is their source?
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Nice weather today but tomorrow only average. This may impact turnout.0
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If anyone is truly complacent (I think there is nothing on earth unless they are truly deluded that would make a No complacent) then Gordon and his cracking speech has hopefully lit the fire under more backsides.Easterross said:Afternoon all and I don't know about the rest of you (other than English PBers who want rid of Scotland) but I am very anxious about tomorrow's result. The feeling is that some in the NO camp, both media chatterati and politicians are becoming complacent that Don't Knows mean NO. The more I am hearing, the more I am leaning to thinking they are all in for a horrible surprise. The concerted effort by the Establishment to brow beat the Scots into voting NO smacks of desperation and what they forget is that with so many of the 1st time registered voters and previous non-voters being C2DE folks, they don't read London newspapers or watch TV news programmes and they certainly don't give a flying fart what some general in London says!!
Looking at the expected declaration times, we might get an indication fairly early on. North Lanarkshire is listed as the 2nd earliest expected declaration at around 2am. If it is any closer than 60 NO 40 YES then I suspect it is going to be a bad night for NO.
North Lanarkshire is pretty much the most rotten of all Scottish Labour's rotten burghs. It was along with Glasgow the safest Labour council in 2012 with 41 seats of out 70 returning Labour councillors. This is Dr John Reid territory. So if it votes anything like YES, it would be as important as Tower Hamlets in London electing a Tory council.
Sense I got at work from open No's is that they are concerned and making sure they absolutely vote.
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That would be a nice way to vote: cupcakes instead crosses on a ballotStuart_Dickson said:Cupcakes showing Yes, No and Undecided were sold at Cuckoo's Bakery, Dundas Street, Edinburgh. In the informal poll 47.7% bought No cupcakes, 43.5% bought Yes and a further 8.8% bought undecided decorated cakes.
If it is that close in the New Town of Edinburgh then Bitter Together are about to get a right royal shafting.0 -
It's a Daily Mash story, made real.SeanT said:
If Nats are willing to be thrown out of the EU, see their banks fly south, watch over an economy turned to dust, and suffer plague to stalk the land, just so they can get some spurious independence, then I imagine a few of them might be motivated to go eat some cupcakes, to keep their spirits up.Stuart_Dickson said:Cupcakes showing Yes, No and Undecided were sold at Cuckoo's Bakery, Dundas Street, Edinburgh. In the informal poll 47.7% bought No cupcakes, 43.5% bought Yes and a further 8.8% bought undecided decorated cakes.
If it is that close in the New Town of Edinburgh then Bitter Together are about to get a right royal shafting.
'Man in Sweden calls it for Yes on the basis of Scottish cake sales'0 -
NO cakes are ahead, but as Stuart Points out, Dundas Street in Edinburgh is hardly middle Scotlland. These are the cakes:SeanT said:
If Nats are willing to be thrown out of the EU, see their banks fly south, watch over an economy turned to dust, and suffer plague to stalk the land, just so they can get some spurious independence, then I imagine a few of them might be motivated to go eat some cupcakes, to keep their spirits up.Stuart_Dickson said:Cupcakes showing Yes, No and Undecided were sold at Cuckoo's Bakery, Dundas Street, Edinburgh. In the informal poll 47.7% bought No cupcakes, 43.5% bought Yes and a further 8.8% bought undecided decorated cakes.
If it is that close in the New Town of Edinburgh then Bitter Together are about to get a right royal shafting.
https://www.facebook.com/cuckoosbakery?ref=stream&fref=nf
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Have to disagree. There are 3 adjacent towns. Port Glasgow was the most industrial as its name suggests. Greenock is the mixed one, mainly working class. Gourock on the other hand is mostly middle class, private housing and much smaller than Greenock. You also have the Tory hinterland like Kilmacolm which is a small but very affluent village.hamiltonace said:
Note sure you can take Inverclyde as representative of Glasgow. Inverclyde is truly depressing place, no students and no middle class. The only similarity is that both vote Labour.Barnesian said:
Andy - My take based, on your spreadsheet, is that we'll know by 2.30am when the results are in for Inverclyde. Whichever way Inverclyde votes, that's the way the total vote will go. And that result will be long before neighbouring Glasgow.AndyJS said:
My take is Yes can't win unless Glasgow goes Yes. If Glasgow is 50/50 No wins by 2 to 5 points.SeanT said:
How the F do they know about regional changes?Scott_P said:@BethRigby: Paddy Power says 3 out of 4 cities look set to vote No.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen odds moving to No. Dundee likely to go Yes
#scotref
I'd like to believe it's true as if Glasgae, Edinboro and Aberdeen all go NO then NO must very likely win.
But I am deeply suspicious of their info. Who or what is their source?0 -
If that was my shop, I'd be bricking myself about the future. All those well paid customers in banking and finance fleeing south, in the event of a 'Yes'.FF42 said:
NO cakes are ahead, but as Stuart Points out, Dundas Street in Edinburgh is hardly middle Scotlland. These are the cakes:SeanT said:
If Nats are willing to be thrown out of the EU, see their banks fly south, watch over an economy turned to dust, and suffer plague to stalk the land, just so they can get some spurious independence, then I imagine a few of them might be motivated to go eat some cupcakes, to keep their spirits up.Stuart_Dickson said:Cupcakes showing Yes, No and Undecided were sold at Cuckoo's Bakery, Dundas Street, Edinburgh. In the informal poll 47.7% bought No cupcakes, 43.5% bought Yes and a further 8.8% bought undecided decorated cakes.
If it is that close in the New Town of Edinburgh then Bitter Together are about to get a right royal shafting.
https://www.facebook.com/cuckoosbakery?ref=stream&fref=nf
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Iceland and Norway are in Schengen as a result of the Nordic Passport Union which far predates Schengen. Once Denmark, Sweden and Finland joined Schengen Iceland and Norway joined as part of the NPU. They rather do this than implement passport controls with Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Much as if the UK had joined and then propelled Ireland to follow suit to maintain passport free travel to the UK.Chris_A said:
Ireland not in Schengen. Also not Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia and Cyprus but they're all obliged to join as a result of their accession treaties. Some non EU states like Norway and Iceland also in Schengen.edmundintokyo said:
No, they're outside. But they're only outside because the UK is. So if Scotland had to go in, you could imagine they'd be the next domino to fall, which puts more pressure on rUK to go in as well.Lennon said:
Isn't Eire in Schengen? Are there manned Borders betweeen Derry and Donegal?AndyJS said:Who would pay the astronomical cost of a manned border at Berwick?
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Bit like you thenBond_James_Bond said:
It could be self-funding via a visa charge. Lots of mid east countries fund their immigration controls this way.Carnyx said:
EWNI. It's their guards and their frontier.AndyJS said:Who would pay the astronomical cost of a manned border at Berwick?
There's a quip in there about the middle east, Scotland, and backward semi-feudal oil-dependent sectarian kleptocracies, but it's not quite coming together.0 -
Wasn't Inverclyde once upon a time an area of LD strength?hamiltonace said:
Note sure you can take Inverclyde as representative of Glasgow. Inverclyde is truly depressing place, no students and no middle class. The only similarity is that both vote Labour.Barnesian said:
Andy - My take based, on your spreadsheet, is that we'll know by 2.30am when the results are in for Inverclyde. Whichever way Inverclyde votes, that's the way the total vote will go. And that result will be long before neighbouring Glasgow.AndyJS said:
My take is Yes can't win unless Glasgow goes Yes. If Glasgow is 50/50 No wins by 2 to 5 points.SeanT said:
How the F do they know about regional changes?Scott_P said:@BethRigby: Paddy Power says 3 out of 4 cities look set to vote No.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen odds moving to No. Dundee likely to go Yes
#scotref
I'd like to believe it's true as if Glasgae, Edinboro and Aberdeen all go NO then NO must very likely win.
But I am deeply suspicious of their info. Who or what is their source?0 -
bollocks , we will do same as Germany does , you will pay up regardlessMarkHopkins said:
If Scotland votes Yes and joins the EU.
Then Scotland's money will have to be spent on providing free University tuition to English students.
I wonder if those voting Yes realise that "freedom" means spending their own money on the English?0 -
He must be a fake , never been to Gourock and supposed to live overlooking the Clyde where he counts the few thousand workers going in and gets to 8000, whilst running his successful business in Lanarkshire.Stuart_Dickson said:
No middle class in Inverclyde??? What on earth are you talking about? There are several very well-to-do patches in Inverclyde. In fact, it used to be something of a Scottish Liberal Democrat stronghold, which is always an indicator of significant middle class demographics.hamiltonace said:
Note sure you can take Inverclyde as representative of Glasgow. Inverclyde is truly depressing place, no students and no middle class. The only similarity is that both vote Labour.Barnesian said:
Andy - My take based, on your spreadsheet, is that we'll know by 2.30am when the results are in for Inverclyde. Whichever way Inverclyde votes, that's the way the total vote will go. And that result will be long before neighbouring Glasgow.AndyJS said:
My take is Yes can't win unless Glasgow goes Yes. If Glasgow is 50/50 No wins by 2 to 5 points.SeanT said:
How the F do they know about regional changes?Scott_P said:@BethRigby: Paddy Power says 3 out of 4 cities look set to vote No.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen odds moving to No. Dundee likely to go Yes
#scotref
I'd like to believe it's true as if Glasgae, Edinboro and Aberdeen all go NO then NO must very likely win.
But I am deeply suspicious of their info. Who or what is their source?0 -
No middle class? The good people of Gourock, the West End of Greenock, Inverkip, Wemyss Bay and Kilmacolm will be surprised to hear that.hamiltonace said:
Note sure you can take Inverclyde as representative of Glasgow. Inverclyde is truly depressing place, no students and no middle class. The only similarity is that both vote Labour.Barnesian said:
Andy - My take based, on your spreadsheet, is that we'll know by 2.30am when the results are in for Inverclyde. Whichever way Inverclyde votes, that's the way the total vote will go. And that result will be long before neighbouring Glasgow.AndyJS said:
My take is Yes can't win unless Glasgow goes Yes. If Glasgow is 50/50 No wins by 2 to 5 points.SeanT said:
How the F do they know about regional changes?Scott_P said:@BethRigby: Paddy Power says 3 out of 4 cities look set to vote No.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen odds moving to No. Dundee likely to go Yes
#scotref
I'd like to believe it's true as if Glasgae, Edinboro and Aberdeen all go NO then NO must very likely win.
But I am deeply suspicious of their info. Who or what is their source?
James Watt College has no students? I must have missed that.
You are a phoney.
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