The LDs step up the tactical squeeze on LAB voters in Devon – politicalbetting.com

Stuartinromford said:

wooliedyed said:

ComRes has 58 to 34 that the strike IS justified and 66% saying GOVT not doing enough
All in the wordings
Justifued vs support

Another example of the same effect:

How you talk about pay rises makes a different to what people think is reasonable.

Yesterday we polled teachers on what rise they’d give to the profession.
In one version, we added context (‘anchors’) & in another just straight %s.

https://twitter.com/miss_mcinerney/status/1539267930893991942

Ask teachers without context, and they go for 4-6%. Tell them inflation is expected to peak around 11%, and the peak goes up to that.

The other conculsion I take is that we haven't collectively clocked how bad inflation is and is going to get.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

76% say the strike has not impacted them and with just 3% in Wales using the railways has WFH dealt a major blow to the industry

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1539259823891554306?t=D4Dzr2wFy-kIuMOw7m2aEw&s=19

kle4 said:

Leon said:

mwadams said:

Leon said:

I think it behoves us all to read this document on getting racism out of maths, a document which is now part of the Californian education system. Here's an excerpt about "white supremacy" in the mathematics classroom




NOTES ON TERMS
The terms used in the engagement section of this resource are ideas presented in the dismantling Racism workbook
(2016) notebook, grounded on the work of Jones and Okun (2001). It is important to read this article first to fully
understand the terms that are identified as characteristics of white supremacy culture in organizations. We contextualize these ideas into the math classroom to make visible how white supremacy culture plays out in these spaces.

As a visual indicator, we italicize the terms used to identify white supremacy characteristics as
defined by Jones and Okun (2001). They are as follows:

• Perfectionism
• Sense of Urgency
• Defensiveness
• Quantity Over Quality
• Worship of the Written Word
• Paternalism
• Either/Or Thinking
• Power Hoarding
• Fear of Open Conflict
• Individualism
• Only One Right Way
• Progress is Bigger, More
• Objectivity
• Right to Comfort

Damn those white kids doing maths with their "objectivity", "sense of urgency", perfectionism", and "fear of open conflict", what maths needs is "subjectivity", "a sense of Whatever", "who cares if its right", and "open conflict"

https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

Hmmm. The rest of the document is an excellent approach to inclusivity and engagement in maths teaching, and I'd warmly commend it to the group. So I thought I'd also take ten minutes to see what this list is about.

https://www.uuare.org/cwsc/

Good link there. And the discussion of objectivity in terms of worldview, which would include things such as previous experiences of being taught maths, variation of approaches to problems (e.g. analytical, visual), is absolutely applicable to maths teaching. You can easily see how a dominant culture applying a single 'objective' approach to teaching might exclude those who do not share that.

So I think we can untwist our knickers here. Remember, this is about *teaching* maths. And it isn't about white kids per se, it's about white supremacist teachers constructing an environment which demonstrates their theories that white kids in their classes are "better" at maths than black kids.

Just checked that link


Here we go. Here is the list of things included under Perfectionism, which in just one of the.....


"CHARACTERISTICS OF WHITE SUPREMACY CULTURE
by Tema Okun (original article)

This is a list of characteristics of white supremacy culture which show up in our organizations:

PERFECTIONISM

little appreciation expressed among people for the work that others are doing; appreciation that is expressed usually directed to those who get most of the credit anyway

more common is to point out either how the person or work is inadequate

or even more common, to talk to others about the inadequacies of a person or their work without ever talking directly to them

mistakes are seen as personal, i.e. they reflect badly on the person making them as opposed to being seen for what they are: mistakes

making a mistake is confused with being a mistake, doing wrong with being wrong

little time, energy, or money put into reflection or identifying lessons learned that can improve practice, in other words little or no learning from mistakes

tendency to identify what’s wrong; little ability to identify, name, and appreciate what’s right"


In short: white people and white teachers and white kids are intrinsically nasty, mean, selfish, self-centred, spiteful, critical, guilt-ridden and so on, and so forth

This is pure, bilious racism. This has fuck all to do with "whiteness". Imagine ascribing these characterstics to "blackness" or "Jewishness" or "Chineseness"

That is some pretty moronic and offensive stuff.

People should focus their ire purely on crap like that and not dilute the attack by overusing the woke label. Because then that ridiculous stuff will just get overlooked.

IshmaelZ said:

North Shropshire was a 23k con Maj, almost entirely before partygate. Honiton is 24k. Why is there any doubt it goes lib dem on Thursday?

MoonRabbit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

76% say the strike has not impacted them and with just 3% in Wales using the railways has WFH dealt a major blow to the industry

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1539259823891554306?t=D4Dzr2wFy-kIuMOw7m2aEw&s=19

You have a really good question there Big G - the union boss should be asked for his opinion “do you see a future for this industry in this age of home working”.

It’s a serious question for government too isn’t it, if it’s now a retracting industry, a customer base lost for ever, not a growth industry because the customers won’t be there, militant union and spoiling for the fight government are both in it together to transform the industry together by recognising each other’s interests and not hurting each other’s interests. Or can’t it ever proceed sensible and fair like that, am I being naive?

Theuniondivvie said:

Open for a lovely surprise.

https://twitter.com/mnrrntt/status/1539205743391424513?s=21&t=ibyJxbcjUrmDXaUDDTI7EQ

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

76% say the strike has not impacted them and with just 3% in Wales using the railways has WFH dealt a major blow to the industry

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1539259823891554306?t=D4Dzr2wFy-kIuMOw7m2aEw&s=19

You have a really good question there Big G - the union boss should be asked for his opinion “do you see a future for this industry in this age of home working”.

It’s a serious question for government too isn’t it, if it’s now a retracting industry, a customer base lost for ever, not a growth industry because the customers won’t be there, militant union and spoiling for the fight government are both in it together to transform the industry together by recognising each other’s interests and not hurting each other’s interests. Or can’t it ever proceed sensible and fair like that, am I being naive?

It's a retracting industry with a whole bunch of Tory MP's demanding new lines and stations in their constituencies.

kle4 said:

Leon said:

mwadams said:

Leon said:

I think it behoves us all to read this document on getting racism out of maths, a document which is now part of the Californian education system. Here's an excerpt about "white supremacy" in the mathematics classroom




NOTES ON TERMS
The terms used in the engagement section of this resource are ideas presented in the dismantling Racism workbook
(2016) notebook, grounded on the work of Jones and Okun (2001). It is important to read this article first to fully
understand the terms that are identified as characteristics of white supremacy culture in organizations. We contextualize these ideas into the math classroom to make visible how white supremacy culture plays out in these spaces.

As a visual indicator, we italicize the terms used to identify white supremacy characteristics as
defined by Jones and Okun (2001). They are as follows:

• Perfectionism
• Sense of Urgency
• Defensiveness
• Quantity Over Quality
• Worship of the Written Word
• Paternalism
• Either/Or Thinking
• Power Hoarding
• Fear of Open Conflict
• Individualism
• Only One Right Way
• Progress is Bigger, More
• Objectivity
• Right to Comfort

Damn those white kids doing maths with their "objectivity", "sense of urgency", perfectionism", and "fear of open conflict", what maths needs is "subjectivity", "a sense of Whatever", "who cares if its right", and "open conflict"

https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

Hmmm. The rest of the document is an excellent approach to inclusivity and engagement in maths teaching, and I'd warmly commend it to the group. So I thought I'd also take ten minutes to see what this list is about.

https://www.uuare.org/cwsc/

Good link there. And the discussion of objectivity in terms of worldview, which would include things such as previous experiences of being taught maths, variation of approaches to problems (e.g. analytical, visual), is absolutely applicable to maths teaching. You can easily see how a dominant culture applying a single 'objective' approach to teaching might exclude those who do not share that.

So I think we can untwist our knickers here. Remember, this is about *teaching* maths. And it isn't about white kids per se, it's about white supremacist teachers constructing an environment which demonstrates their theories that white kids in their classes are "better" at maths than black kids.

Just checked that link


Here we go. Here is the list of things included under Perfectionism, which in just one of the.....


"CHARACTERISTICS OF WHITE SUPREMACY CULTURE
by Tema Okun (original article)

This is a list of characteristics of white supremacy culture which show up in our organizations:

PERFECTIONISM

little appreciation expressed among people for the work that others are doing; appreciation that is expressed usually directed to those who get most of the credit anyway

more common is to point out either how the person or work is inadequate

or even more common, to talk to others about the inadequacies of a person or their work without ever talking directly to them

mistakes are seen as personal, i.e. they reflect badly on the person making them as opposed to being seen for what they are: mistakes

making a mistake is confused with being a mistake, doing wrong with being wrong

little time, energy, or money put into reflection or identifying lessons learned that can improve practice, in other words little or no learning from mistakes

tendency to identify what’s wrong; little ability to identify, name, and appreciate what’s right"


In short: white people and white teachers and white kids are intrinsically nasty, mean, selfish, self-centred, spiteful, critical, guilt-ridden and so on, and so forth

This is pure, bilious racism. This has fuck all to do with "whiteness". Imagine ascribing these characterstics to "blackness" or "Jewishness" or "Chineseness"

That is some pretty moronic and offensive stuff.

People should focus their ire purely on crap like that and not dilute the attack by overusing the woke label. Because then that ridiculous stuff will just get overlooked.

Theuniondivvie said:

Open for a lovely surprise.

https://twitter.com/mnrrntt/status/1539205743391424513?s=21&t=ibyJxbcjUrmDXaUDDTI7EQ

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MoonRabbit said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Do train spotters get today off, or is it a premium day?

I visited Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead yesterday to beat the strike

You’ll get through this Sunil. We all will.

Be Strong. 💪🏻

Also undertook my Special Railway Operation last Thursday to do the Trafford Centre tram line in Manchester last Thursday!

So how many drops was that for you, Sunil?

In England, just need Dale Rail (Sundays only) on the National Rail network, also awaiting the opening of the tram to Blackpool North station, and the London Overground to Barking Riverside.

How many combat drops?

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

76% say the strike has not impacted them and with just 3% in Wales using the railways has WFH dealt a major blow to the industry

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1539259823891554306?t=D4Dzr2wFy-kIuMOw7m2aEw&s=19

You have a really good question there Big G - the union boss should be asked for his opinion “do you see a future for this industry in this age of home working”.

It’s a serious question for government too isn’t it, if it’s now a retracting industry, a customer base lost for ever, not a growth industry because the customers won’t be there, militant union and spoiling for the fight government are both in it together to transform the industry together by recognising each other’s interests and not hurting each other’s interests. Or can’t it ever proceed sensible and fair like that, am I being naive?

It's a retracting industry with a whole bunch of Tory MP's demanding new lines and stations in their constituencies.

I, like Big G, only have the question not the answer. To what extent does hybrid working now change the business model and projections?

I would guess quite a lot. It will probably need more investment in weekends than weekdays now is my guess.

To answer that question you need to ask the question almost never asked in this country.
What is the purpose of the railways?
Answer that and go from there.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alistair said:

Leon, like little known drunken islamaphobic poster SeanT before him, failing to understand that a text about white supremecy is not about what he thinks it is about.

I miss SeanT, who can forget his musings on the Glasgow bin crash.

I think he wanted to deport every Muslim to Madagascar that day.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

America was at its height under Reagan, hardly a social democrat!

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alistair said:

Leon, like little known drunken islamaphobic poster SeanT before him, failing to understand that a text about white supremecy is not about what he thinks it is about.

I miss SeanT, who can forget his musings on the Glasgow bin crash.

I think he wanted to deport every Muslim to Madagascar that day.

Did he blame Bin Laden?

Scots Nats and Muslims.

I think you missed my attempt at a joke!

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

Received a cheque from British Gas today. Now I've realised I've never received a cheque before in my life. I'm 35.

Makes me wonder for what reason they send compensation in such a way.

They usually put a little rider saying 'by banking the cheque you agree that you cannot make any further claims against us regarding this matter.'

Omnium said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alistair said:

Leon, like little known drunken islamaphobic poster SeanT before him, failing to understand that a text about white supremecy is not about what he thinks it is about.

I miss SeanT, who can forget his musings on the Glasgow bin crash.

I think he wanted to deport every Muslim to Madagascar that day.

Did he blame Bin Laden?

Scots Nats and Muslims.

I think you missed my attempt at a joke!

It was Wheely bad.

You're just recycling old material.

Jim_Miller said:

The breakdown in the wall of separation between church and state in the United States is far worse than some commenters here imagine. Most American civil rights laws actually forbid dicriminating against people on the basis of their religious faiths. (Some of you will be pleased to learn that many of our prosecutors don't bother to enforce those provisions; otherwise companies like Apple and Google might be in serious trouble.)

Worse than that, many American governments actually pay for religous teachings. Many of you will be shocked to learn that there are chaplains in our armed services, and prisons. There are even chaplains in the House and Senate!

Which reminds me of this famous exchange: “Do you pray for the senators, Dr. Hale?' someone asked the chaplain. No, I look at the senators and I pray for the country.” source: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1146485-do-you-pray-for-the-senators-dr-hale-someone-asked

(Edward Everett Hale was Senate chaplain from 1903-1909.)

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

America was at its height under Reagan, hardly a social democrat!

What you mean is that America started going downhill under Reagan.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

America was at its height under Reagan, hardly a social democrat!

What you mean is that America started going downhill under Reagan.

Alistair said:

Leon, like little known drunken islamaphobic poster SeanT before him, failing to understand that a text about white supremecy is not about what he thinks it is about.

MoonRabbit said:

wooliedyed said:

MoonRabbit said:

kle4 said:

IshmaelZ said:

North Shropshire was a 23k con Maj, almost entirely before partygate. Honiton is 24k. Why is there any doubt it goes lib dem on Thursday?

Lightning needing to strike twice.

My reasoning goes like this. Remember I called Shropshire North right, made some money, and took lots of PB flak in build up.. My gut feeling on this one is different. My reasoning is when the big turn round in Shropshire North happened, Downing Street party’s was all the political and main news even Ant and Dec being angry, but this happens against a different backdrop, so all that anger has to be baked in now despite off the news and electorate not moved on with partygate fatigue. Is it baked in to all Tory performance now? Secondly, if it was general election you won’t get uniform swinging, you may get 7 somewhere, 2 nearby, 5 down the road - all constituency electorates have their own psychology and views of things. Do you trust this particular electorate to be on same wave length as mid term bloody nose or is it not in their DNA.

I still think LD win by 5000 votes or so but the odd line in reports has made me wonder, like how the same raw anger that was present in N Shropshire isn't there, a throwaway about 'hes doing his best' responses etc.....
Set against that is the LD bullshit made up internal poll garbage 'its so close guys!!' = LDs winning here

Love the made up newspaper, it looks so bloody real Woolie, the made up opinion poll, made up messaging - it’s not just bar charts we make up! Lol.

To be honest though, that is the way to fight and win, squeeze every drop of vote out the place. As well as obviously lying, it’s bloody slick campaign. 😇

We all think it will be close not clear win for anyone? I have this theory it’s not just about counting pebbles, or looking at media narratives, each part of country has it own culture and psychologies will see it all differently. In. Fact this could vary from town to town constituency to constituency.

If I find out Lib Dems havn’t won, being a northerner, I might post something like, inbred wurzle twats with brains pickled on farmhouse cider incapable of knowing right from wrong as they munch their chittering.

If anything such a result proves my theory right.

NickPalmer said:

Nigelb said:

MISTY said:

OldKingCole said:

MISTY said:

Leon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

BoZO terrified "his" war will end...

EXC: Boris Johnson is concerned Zelensky is being pressured into agreeing a “s*****” peace deal with Russia because allies are getting tired of war

He will push Germany, France + others to strengthen support at G7 / Nato talks next week. Source tells me a “big fight” is looming
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1539229404882157570

The PM is right to be concerned.

Scholz in particular, has been unwavering in his recent support for imports of Russian gas, over being seen to arm Ukraine.

Things aren't going too well on the Ukraine PR front.

Allowing Ukrainian corruption to get an airing by blaming the EU for bringing it up was not smart politics. All they needed to do was say 'we're working on it and we will of course aim to meet the standards required by the EU as soon as possible'

Their closeness to Boris Johnson will also not be playing well. Certainly not in the UK where he's as popular as a sauteed toad but more widely across Europe

If Ukraine lose their whiter than white status the help for their war effort will crumble as quickly as it built up.

Putin speaks

What is it with Old Lefties who are barely able to disguise their desire for Ukraine to lose?

UGH

It isn't just the left.

Trumpist Republicans are completely against this war and detest Biden's 40bn funding for Ukraine.

To be fair pre-Zelensky Ukraine wasn't necessarily a shining beacon of democracy! And during WWII Ukrainians could be found in some compromising places!

I read a tweet recently the main political opposition in Ukraine has been banned? not sure what's going on there.

That would be OPZZh, which supports the Russian invasion.

They were the second largest party in terms of vote share in the most recent (2019) parliamentary election. With 13% of the vote.

Seems more complicated than that, if the Wikipedia entry is correct. Others may know more, but apparently one member supported the invasion and was immediately expelled for doing so. The party then came out against the invasion on March 7, but was then suspended anyway on March 20 and banned altogether on June 20. The party is obviously softer-line on Russia but it's hard to see why the banning was justified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_Platform_—_For_Life

MoonRabbit said:

kle4 said:

IshmaelZ said:

North Shropshire was a 23k con Maj, almost entirely before partygate. Honiton is 24k. Why is there any doubt it goes lib dem on Thursday?

Lightning needing to strike twice.

My reasoning goes like this. Remember I called Shropshire North right, made some money, and took lots of PB flak in build up.. My gut feeling on this one is different. My reasoning is when the big turn round in Shropshire North happened, Downing Street party’s was all the political and main news even Ant and Dec being angry, but this happens against a different backdrop, so all that anger has to be baked in now despite off the news and electorate not moved on with partygate fatigue. Is it baked in to all Tory performance now? Secondly, if it was general election you won’t get uniform swinging, you may get 7 somewhere, 2 nearby, 5 down the road - all constituency electorates have their own psychology and views of things. Do you trust this particular electorate to be on same wave length as mid term bloody nose or is it not in their DNA.

algarkirk said:

MoonRabbit said:

kle4 said:

IshmaelZ said:

North Shropshire was a 23k con Maj, almost entirely before partygate. Honiton is 24k. Why is there any doubt it goes lib dem on Thursday?

Lightning needing to strike twice.

My reasoning goes like this. Remember I called Shropshire North right, made some money, and took lots of PB flak in build up.. My gut feeling on this one is different. My reasoning is when the big turn round in Shropshire North happened, Downing Street party’s was all the political and main news even Ant and Dec being angry, but this happens against a different backdrop, so all that anger has to be baked in now despite off the news and electorate not moved on with partygate fatigue. Is it baked in to all Tory performance now? Secondly, if it was general election you won’t get uniform swinging, you may get 7 somewhere, 2 nearby, 5 down the road - all constituency electorates have their own psychology and views of things. Do you trust this particular electorate to be on same wave length as mid term bloody nose or is it not in their DNA.

I was wrong about ShropN which means I feel that an LD victory at T and H is likely but not certain. Boris tends to get a bit of luck when he needs it, and a massive defeat in T and H could be the thing that sees him off.

A question insufficiently understood is this: In both SN and T and H Labour came a clear second in the 2019 election. Why is the assumption made that the LDs are the automatic challengers. And why does Labour accept this.

TimS said:

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

America was at its height under Reagan, hardly a social democrat!

What you mean is that America started going downhill under Reagan.

Was America ever more self-confident than the moment when the delegates at the 1996 Democratic Convention performed the Macarena?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9-6MgMNuTY

The West as a whole was never more self confident than in the mid 1990s.

kle4 said:

Leon said:

mwadams said:

Leon said:

I think it behoves us all to read this document on getting racism out of maths, a document which is now part of the Californian education system. Here's an excerpt about "white supremacy" in the mathematics classroom




NOTES ON TERMS
The terms used in the engagement section of this resource are ideas presented in the dismantling Racism workbook
(2016) notebook, grounded on the work of Jones and Okun (2001). It is important to read this article first to fully
understand the terms that are identified as characteristics of white supremacy culture in organizations. We contextualize these ideas into the math classroom to make visible how white supremacy culture plays out in these spaces.

As a visual indicator, we italicize the terms used to identify white supremacy characteristics as
defined by Jones and Okun (2001). They are as follows:

• Perfectionism
• Sense of Urgency
• Defensiveness
• Quantity Over Quality
• Worship of the Written Word
• Paternalism
• Either/Or Thinking
• Power Hoarding
• Fear of Open Conflict
• Individualism
• Only One Right Way
• Progress is Bigger, More
• Objectivity
• Right to Comfort

Damn those white kids doing maths with their "objectivity", "sense of urgency", perfectionism", and "fear of open conflict", what maths needs is "subjectivity", "a sense of Whatever", "who cares if its right", and "open conflict"

https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

Hmmm. The rest of the document is an excellent approach to inclusivity and engagement in maths teaching, and I'd warmly commend it to the group. So I thought I'd also take ten minutes to see what this list is about.

https://www.uuare.org/cwsc/

Good link there. And the discussion of objectivity in terms of worldview, which would include things such as previous experiences of being taught maths, variation of approaches to problems (e.g. analytical, visual), is absolutely applicable to maths teaching. You can easily see how a dominant culture applying a single 'objective' approach to teaching might exclude those who do not share that.

So I think we can untwist our knickers here. Remember, this is about *teaching* maths. And it isn't about white kids per se, it's about white supremacist teachers constructing an environment which demonstrates their theories that white kids in their classes are "better" at maths than black kids.

Just checked that link


Here we go. Here is the list of things included under Perfectionism, which in just one of the.....


"CHARACTERISTICS OF WHITE SUPREMACY CULTURE
by Tema Okun (original article)

This is a list of characteristics of white supremacy culture which show up in our organizations:

PERFECTIONISM

little appreciation expressed among people for the work that others are doing; appreciation that is expressed usually directed to those who get most of the credit anyway

more common is to point out either how the person or work is inadequate

or even more common, to talk to others about the inadequacies of a person or their work without ever talking directly to them

mistakes are seen as personal, i.e. they reflect badly on the person making them as opposed to being seen for what they are: mistakes

making a mistake is confused with being a mistake, doing wrong with being wrong

little time, energy, or money put into reflection or identifying lessons learned that can improve practice, in other words little or no learning from mistakes

tendency to identify what’s wrong; little ability to identify, name, and appreciate what’s right"


In short: white people and white teachers and white kids are intrinsically nasty, mean, selfish, self-centred, spiteful, critical, guilt-ridden and so on, and so forth

This is pure, bilious racism. This has fuck all to do with "whiteness". Imagine ascribing these characterstics to "blackness" or "Jewishness" or "Chineseness"

That is some pretty moronic and offensive stuff.

People should focus their ire purely on crap like that and not dilute the attack by overusing the woke label. Because then that ridiculous stuff will just get overlooked.

Jim_Miller said:

Carnyx asked: "Are those Christian chaplains or Muslim ones or both?"

In the House and Senate, only Christians, so far. In our prisons, both, and probably others. In our military, Christians, Jews, and, recently, Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs.

(Some Muslim chaplains in our prisons have not always preached peace to the inmates, but this is not a story that, for example, the New York Times, likes to cover, so I can't say much more than that.)

wooliedyed said:

And now from Opinium, a tie on the strike

Railway workers will go on strike at various points this week over pay and & proposed job cuts. From what you have seen or heard, do you support or oppose their decision to go on strike?” Support 41%, Oppose 42%, Don’t know 17% @OpiniumResearch for TalkTV, 1,091 UK adults today

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

America was at its height under Reagan, hardly a social democrat!

What you mean is that America started going downhill under Reagan.

The opposite he reversed the policies of the social democrat, high tax, high spend Carter and oversaw the economic boom of the 1980s. While also moving America on from the humiliation of Vietnam to begin the process of winning the Cold War and becoming the unchallenged global superpower

His attack on the unions and cuts to government spending started the relentless rise in inequality and collapse in social mobility that has left America in the mess it is in now.

Unemployment when Reagan left office in 1989 was 5% compared to 8% when he entered office in 1980. Union power in the US as in the UK pre Thatcher needed to be curbed

Theuniondivvie said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

No, the difference is I’m comfortable with it because I know social progress works through some form of dialectic.

If I panicked at every bonkers proclamation by the Christian Right (and OK, some woke warriors do because it’s their oxygen) I’d be a quivering wreck.

I just don’t have the same world view that we are a declining civilisation wrecked by decadence.

By far the most important nation in the West is the USA. It is the armoury of the West and it’s ultimate bastion: with the constitutional defence of Free Speech and so forth

If you don’t see rampant decline in America you’re a fucking moron, with all due respect

And, yes, the decline is being accelerated by lunatics on the Left AND the Right

America's problem is huge inequality combined with a collapse in social mobility, which is feeding a downwards spiral of hopelessness, rage and extremism. Its decline could be arrested and reversed by a couple of decades of moderate social democracy. I don't expect this to happen, though.

America was at its height under Reagan, hardly a social democrat!

What you mean is that America started going downhill under Reagan.

The opposite he reversed the policies of the social democrat, high tax, high spend Carter and oversaw the economic boom of the 1980s. While also moving America on from the humiliation of Vietnam to begin the process of winning the Cold War and becoming the unchallenged global superpower

His attack on the unions and cuts to government spending started the relentless rise in inequality and collapse in social mobility that has left America in the mess it is in now.

Unemployment when Reagan left office in 1989 was 5% compared to 8% when he entered office in 1980. Union power in the US as in the UK pre Thatcher needed to be curbed

What was UK unemployment when Thatcher became PM and what was it when she left?

Omnium said:

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MoonRabbit said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Do train spotters get today off, or is it a premium day?

I visited Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead yesterday to beat the strike

You’ll get through this Sunil. We all will.

Be Strong. 💪🏻

Also undertook my Special Railway Operation last Thursday to do the Trafford Centre tram line in Manchester last Thursday!

So how many drops was that for you, Sunil?

In England, just need Dale Rail (Sundays only) on the National Rail network, also awaiting the opening of the tram to Blackpool North station, and the London Overground to Barking Riverside.

How many combat drops?

Sunil strikes me as a man with experience of at least one of the true horrors (Northern, Bakerloo, or anything going to Brighton). I think we all know that these things are best left unsaid.

Carnyx said:

Jim_Miller said:

The breakdown in the wall of separation between church and state in the United States is far worse than some commenters here imagine. Most American civil rights laws actually forbid dicriminating against people on the basis of their religious faiths. (Some of you will be pleased to learn that many of our prosecutors don't bother to enforce those provisions; otherwise companies like Apple and Google might be in serious trouble.)

Worse than that, many American governments actually pay for religous teachings. Many of you will be shocked to learn that there are chaplains in our armed services, and prisons. There are even chaplains in the House and Senate!

Which reminds me of this famous exchange: “Do you pray for the senators, Dr. Hale?' someone asked the chaplain. No, I look at the senators and I pray for the country.” source: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1146485-do-you-pray-for-the-senators-dr-hale-someone-asked

(Edward Everett Hale was Senate chaplain from 1903-1909.)

Are those Christian chaplains or Muslim ones or both?

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Omnium said:

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MoonRabbit said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Do train spotters get today off, or is it a premium day?

I visited Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead yesterday to beat the strike

You’ll get through this Sunil. We all will.

Be Strong. 💪🏻

Also undertook my Special Railway Operation last Thursday to do the Trafford Centre tram line in Manchester last Thursday!

So how many drops was that for you, Sunil?

In England, just need Dale Rail (Sundays only) on the National Rail network, also awaiting the opening of the tram to Blackpool North station, and the London Overground to Barking Riverside.

How many combat drops?

Sunil strikes me as a man with experience of at least one of the true horrors (Northern, Bakerloo, or anything going to Brighton). I think we all know that these things are best left unsaid.

"One grizzled veteran of Sunil's London Station-Hopping Campaign of 2008/09 told me: 'Back in season 1994/95, Sunil was content just to travel within the first four Travelcard Zones, you know, a radius of just 10 miles or so around central London. Now, we are on the cusp of doing the whole of Great Britain's national rail and metro networks!'"

First of the 9th, obviously. Air Cav. Air mobile.

wooliedyed said:

Roger said:

Emily Thornberry is much underrated. I've just seen her interviewed by the admittedly weak Matt Frei but she came across as thoughtful and at least a cut above both government ministers. There's something quite reassuring about her

She sneers at the working class and sent her kids to a selective school.
Typical Labour luvvie

IshmaelZ said:

Theuniondivvie said:

You’re out of your league, son.



https://twitter.com/garethdennis/status/1539261418301693955?s=21&t=C8hufnL13w1Jagya2D0ntg

Mick's a class act

turbotubbs said:

Roger said:

turbotubbs said:

Roger said:

Emily Thornberry is much underrated. I've just seen her interviewed by the admittedly weak Matt Frei but she came across as thoughtful and at least a cut above both government ministers. There's something quite reassuring about her

The good Lady Nugee, for it is her, displays little understanding of working class England, as espoused by her apparent disdain for the flag.

As the imbecile Johnson has now urinated on the flag more times than most of us can remember it has little symbolic value other than as a urinal for his squalid publicity stunts. So if what you say is true good for Lady Nugee

Labour would quite like their votes though, so I don’t think is a great advert for the party. Rather reminds me of the classic upper middle sneering classes who simply adore the poor, just as long as they don’t have to actually meet them...