The LDs step up the tactical squeeze on LAB voters in Devon – politicalbetting.com

MISTY said: "Trumpist Republicans are completely against this war and detest Biden's 40bn funding for Ukraine."

Here's what NORC found: "Most efforts to support Ukraine and sanction Russia enjoy bipartisan support. Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly favor providing humanitarian support to refugees from Ukraine. Majorities in both parties also support imposing economic sanctions on Russia, banning the import of Russian oil, accepting Ukrainian refugees into the United States, and providing weapons to Ukraine. Democrats are more supportive than Republicans of providing direct funding and deploying troops to Eastern Europe."
source: https://apnorc.org/projects/widespread-support-for-a-u-s-role-in-the-war-between-russia-and-ukraine/

FWIW, the pollfound that independents are less likely to support Ukraine than are Republicans.

Foxy said:

TimS said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Backing the strikes is a disaster for Labour.

Focusing on the need to negotiate is the best approach.

Which is very much what Mick Lynch has been asking for.

What an unexpected media star Lynch is, absolutely unflappable and reasonable in his approach, with just the right hint of humour, and willing to call out Ministers lies for what they are.

He is a very formidable presence, I can see why the Tory ministers go pale at the sight of him in the studio.

I remember there was an ambulance strike back in the 90s (late 80s?) when Ken Clarke was Health Secretary. Their union guy was great - just perfectly reasonable, down to earth, straight answers. While Clarke would flap and rage and only make the union guy's demands seem ever more reasonable.

Mortimer said:

Mexicanpete said:

MaxPB said:

Checking in to say the government are wankers and don't know how to run the country

Emergency legislation against strikers -
1. Strike days must be consecutive, none of this five days of disruption for three days of strikes.
2. Strike pay loss to be calculated as 1/232 not 1/365. Also reduce employer pension contributions by 1/232.
3. Make incentivising strikes with pay over and above lost income illegal.
4. Accelerate automation of key infrastructure and dilute the pool of eligible workers by simplifying the remaining jobs.

1-3 can be done immediately with primary legislation, if that means the whole public sector goes on strike then so be it, they are doing it anyway so it won't make any difference. If the wankers want to strike then make it hurt.

Notwithstanding the legitimacy of these strikes, should you be allowed to withdraw your labour in the event of what you considered to be substantially bad, but nonetheless legal behaviour by your employer?

Surely the right to withdraw one's labour is a fundamental civil right, certainly for libertarian conservatives.

Indeed. It is called 'resignation'.

With current levels of employment law, there is no need for protections for striking workers.

I believe that strike action in the modern-era is a blunt and politically counter- productive tool. That said, as a last resort workers should be perfectly at liberty to withdraw their labour without the threat of direct or constructive dismissal.

This is WHY Twitter

A voluptuously fascinating thread on Egyptian culture, early Greece, human nature, western individualism V eastern communalism

“Almost 4,000 years ago an Egyptian civil servant, worried for his life, fled north and found himself in the land inhabited by strange and violent cattle herders. This is the tale of Sinuhe and his experience of Indo-European warrior culture. [THREAD]”

https://twitter.com/egy_philosopher/status/1539035950134837249?s=21&t=HWQeZdhOCKJ4gdtJmXtofQ

MISTY said:

OldKingCole said:

MISTY said:

Leon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

BoZO terrified "his" war will end...

EXC: Boris Johnson is concerned Zelensky is being pressured into agreeing a “s*****” peace deal with Russia because allies are getting tired of war

He will push Germany, France + others to strengthen support at G7 / Nato talks next week. Source tells me a “big fight” is looming
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1539229404882157570

The PM is right to be concerned.

Scholz in particular, has been unwavering in his recent support for imports of Russian gas, over being seen to arm Ukraine.

Things aren't going too well on the Ukraine PR front.

Allowing Ukrainian corruption to get an airing by blaming the EU for bringing it up was not smart politics. All they needed to do was say 'we're working on it and we will of course aim to meet the standards required by the EU as soon as possible'

Their closeness to Boris Johnson will also not be playing well. Certainly not in the UK where he's as popular as a sauteed toad but more widely across Europe

If Ukraine lose their whiter than white status the help for their war effort will crumble as quickly as it built up.

Putin speaks

What is it with Old Lefties who are barely able to disguise their desire for Ukraine to lose?

UGH

It isn't just the left.

Trumpist Republicans are completely against this war and detest Biden's 40bn funding for Ukraine.

To be fair pre-Zelensky Ukraine wasn't necessarily a shining beacon of democracy! And during WWII Ukrainians could be found in some compromising places!

I read a tweet recently the main political opposition in Ukraine has been banned? not sure what's going on there.

That would be OPZZh, which supports the Russian invasion.

They were the second largest party in terms of vote share in the most recent (2019) parliamentary election. With 13% of the vote.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

If their opening bid was 7% surely somewhere around 5% was perfectly achievable through negotiation?

noneoftheabove said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

If their opening bid was 7% surely somewhere around 5% was perfectly achievable through negotiation?

But for some reason the Government seems to want a strike - probably so they can pin the blame on closing ticket offices on someone not called Grant Shapps.

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

All right cleverclogs, it was shorthand.

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

It seems an odd war to wage at a time when almost everyone is on the economic back foot.

Mrs Thatcher waged her war on the miners by first ensuring the Police, who were doing her bidding for her had been well recompensed, and those voters who were minded to vote for her were also doing ok.

And Thatcher’s popularity dipped during the strike. Governments not being able to control the country are never popular.

TimS said:

In fact Sir Keir would do worse than coining the phrase “Britain needs a pay rise” for the next election.

Except that everyone will shout back “and how are you going to pay it??”

Cue: tumbleweed

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Do train spotters get today off, or is it a premium day?

noneoftheabove said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

noneoftheabove said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

If their opening bid was 7% surely somewhere around 5% was perfectly achievable through negotiation?

You would think so but the refusal to accept modernisation and voluntary redundancies by the RMT seems to be the issue, possibly more so than pay

Interesting statistic - only 3% of Welsh residents use the railways

How would anyone know what they are willing to do on modernisation or redundancy if the government are not willing to allow the train operators to discuss pay as part of the deal? It is just spoiling for a fight, a typical tactic of the government.

Actually the leader of the employers has just said they have the freedom to negotiate from the government

Apparently an independent expert has commented that the issue is about voluntary redundancies which the union rejects

Nigelb said:

From a thread on the AWS problems

https://twitter.com/danielgross/status/1539270771582939138
At Apple we had to re-install iOS almost every day. While very silly, it also puts everyone in the Day Zero user mindset. A similar (though less arcane) feedback mechanic is needed at AWS...

What AWS problems? Looks like someone complaining about usability.

This morning pb was affected by Cloudflare woes, whose explanation is at
https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-outage-on-june-21-2022/

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

Nothing wrong with state funding for religious schools, there are plenty of excellent state funded church schools here in the UK

Streisand Effect on PM.
Second story.

Nigelb said:

Dura_Ace said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Sandpit said:

LostPassword said:

Word is that German self-propelled artillery has now arrived in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1539240601752940550

Wow, let’s hope that Scholz got worried by what the rest of the G7 were going to say to him.

More where that came from, please. Lots more.

I wonder if they’ll be operating alongside UK SPGs?

They didn't send any AS90 in the end but Baldy Ben certainly "looked at the idea" which must really shit up the Russians.

It was just announced to generate a flurry of headlines then quietly shelved. This can be of no surprise to anyone familiar with the Johnson process.

We bought some old US kit (a score of M109A4s) from somewhere else to send on, I think.
Ongoing list is here;
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html

Seven systems from Germany, reportedly.

20 x M109 purchased from a Belgian Arms Dealer, refurbished and (being, probably) sent on.

https://www.army-technology.com/news/uk-acquires-m109-howitzers-ukrainian/

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

It seems an odd war to wage at a time when almost everyone is on the economic back foot.

Mrs Thatcher waged her war on the miners by first ensuring the Police, who were doing her bidding for her had been well recompensed, and those voters who were minded to vote for her were also doing ok.

I wouldn't call it a war.

More like a game of buffets.

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

We have Johnson as PM and Patel as Home Secretary and Zahawi as Education Secretary who are all anti Woke. They have President Biden and VP Harris

Leon said we have nothing. You mentioned Johnson and Patel. They both amount to nothing. Zahawi, I am less certain.

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

The Founding Fathers were woke?

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

The Founding Fathers were woke?

For their day? Yes.

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

The Establishment Clause long predates any such thing.

BartholomewRoberts said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

We have Johnson as PM and Patel as Home Secretary and Zahawi as Education Secretary who are all anti Woke. They have President Biden and VP Harris

And Liz Truss as Women and Equalities Minister who has been praised from memory even by @Cyclefree for standing up for women's rights. Cyclefree is no fan of this Government.

And even then that has been criticised as anti Trans by LGBTQI+ activists, so still not woke

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

I've visited every station in London. Every single one of them!

What have you got, Leon? You've got nothing!

[shrieking] NOTHING!!!

MoonRabbit said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Do train spotters get today off, or is it a premium day?

I visited Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead yesterday to beat the strike

You’ll get through this Sunil. We all will.

Be Strong. 💪🏻

Also undertook my Special Railway Operation last Thursday to do the Trafford Centre tram line in Manchester last Thursday!

Northern_Al said:

In the spirit of know thine enemy, I sometimes check out ConservativeHome. In an article today by their Deputy Editor (on the proposal to reignite the grammar school debate), I was struck by this sentence, which I find it hard to disagree with:

This Government is developing a bad habit of stumbling into policy proposals seemingly not because of any great enthusiasm for the policy per se, but because it is viewed as fertile ground for a fight with the Opposition or other sundry forces of wokery and darkness.

He refers to grammar schools and ECHR, but one could add Rwanda, imperial measures, and various other policies. It's not a basis for good governance, is it?

It is because the Conservative Party is no longer conservative. It is populist, personified by Johnson and his love sick no1 fan Dorries. It is all straight out of the Trump/Farage playbook.

TheScreamingEagles said:

2022 GOP.

Classy.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

I've visited every station in London. Every single one of them!

What have you got, Leon? You've got nothing!

[shrieking] NOTHING!!!

And are they running between South Greenford and Drayton Green, and are they busy or quiet? And are the ghosts at Riccarton Junction asleep today or do they form a quiet picket line?

Nigel_Foremain said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

It seems an odd war to wage at a time when almost everyone is on the economic back foot.

Mrs Thatcher waged her war on the miners by first ensuring the Police, who were doing her bidding for her had been well recompensed, and those voters who were minded to vote for her were also doing ok.

Yes, but while I wouldn't vote for the Tories while the Clown is in charge, it does remind me that Labour is always on the side of strikers (who think it is other people who should feel the effects of the cost of living crisis rather than them), and therefore further remind me of why I should never vote Labour.

That's interesting. Is it therefore your contention that nobody should go on strike, ever?

Employers who are not exposed to the potential of collective defence and collective action can, and frequently do, act with impunity and treat their employees like absolute shit.

We live in an environment where corporate profits, executive pay and asset prices in general are all continuously appreciating, whereas earned incomes are still below where they were in 2008, adjusting for inflation. That is symbolic of an economy that works only for certain privileged groups, like outright homeowners and the rich, whilst steadily impoverishing the rest. That situation has a number of causes; limited unionisation and the pathetically weak bargaining position of most workers is one of these.

Rail workers going on strike because they won't accept a shit pay deal isn't the big issue here. Most other people accepting, or being forced to swallow, shit pay deals is.

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Starmer will be deciding on punishment for strike joining MPs Friday. Completely coincidentally the news will be all about the by election fall out that day #bravesirrobin

dixiedean said:

Streisand Effect on PM.
Second story.

Give us a clue? Can’t find anything!

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Never heard foreign languages being included in the definition before.

Stuartinromford said:

wooliedyed said:

ComRes has 58 to 34 that the strike IS justified and 66% saying GOVT not doing enough
All in the wordings
Justifued vs support

Another example of the same effect:

How you talk about pay rises makes a different to what people think is reasonable.

Yesterday we polled teachers on what rise they’d give to the profession.
In one version, we added context (‘anchors’) & in another just straight %s.

https://twitter.com/miss_mcinerney/status/1539267930893991942

Ask teachers without context, and they go for 4-6%. Tell them inflation is expected to peak around 11%, and the peak goes up to that.

The other conculsion I take is that we haven't collectively clocked how bad inflation is and is going to get.

Its also tied to Qs about if the govt is doing enough. Thats going to prime the answers too. Its a govt dissatisfaction response.
They also find 60/35 'support the strikers'. Complete opposite of YouGov

Leon said:

mwadams said:

Leon said:

I think it behoves us all to read this document on getting racism out of maths, a document which is now part of the Californian education system. Here's an excerpt about "white supremacy" in the mathematics classroom




NOTES ON TERMS
The terms used in the engagement section of this resource are ideas presented in the dismantling Racism workbook
(2016) notebook, grounded on the work of Jones and Okun (2001). It is important to read this article first to fully
understand the terms that are identified as characteristics of white supremacy culture in organizations. We contextualize these ideas into the math classroom to make visible how white supremacy culture plays out in these spaces.

As a visual indicator, we italicize the terms used to identify white supremacy characteristics as
defined by Jones and Okun (2001). They are as follows:

• Perfectionism
• Sense of Urgency
• Defensiveness
• Quantity Over Quality
• Worship of the Written Word
• Paternalism
• Either/Or Thinking
• Power Hoarding
• Fear of Open Conflict
• Individualism
• Only One Right Way
• Progress is Bigger, More
• Objectivity
• Right to Comfort

Damn those white kids doing maths with their "objectivity", "sense of urgency", perfectionism", and "fear of open conflict", what maths needs is "subjectivity", "a sense of Whatever", "who cares if its right", and "open conflict"

https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

Hmmm. The rest of the document is an excellent approach to inclusivity and engagement in maths teaching, and I'd warmly commend it to the group. So I thought I'd also take ten minutes to see what this list is about.

https://www.uuare.org/cwsc/

Good link there. And the discussion of objectivity in terms of worldview, which would include things such as previous experiences of being taught maths, variation of approaches to problems (e.g. analytical, visual), is absolutely applicable to maths teaching. You can easily see how a dominant culture applying a single 'objective' approach to teaching might exclude those who do not share that.

So I think we can untwist our knickers here. Remember, this is about *teaching* maths. And it isn't about white kids per se, it's about white supremacist teachers constructing an environment which demonstrates their theories that white kids in their classes are "better" at maths than black kids.

Just checked that link


Here we go. Here is the list of things included under Perfectionism, which in just one of the.....


"CHARACTERISTICS OF WHITE SUPREMACY CULTURE
by Tema Okun (original article)

This is a list of characteristics of white supremacy culture which show up in our organizations:

PERFECTIONISM

little appreciation expressed among people for the work that others are doing; appreciation that is expressed usually directed to those who get most of the credit anyway

more common is to point out either how the person or work is inadequate

or even more common, to talk to others about the inadequacies of a person or their work without ever talking directly to them

mistakes are seen as personal, i.e. they reflect badly on the person making them as opposed to being seen for what they are: mistakes

making a mistake is confused with being a mistake, doing wrong with being wrong

little time, energy, or money put into reflection or identifying lessons learned that can improve practice, in other words little or no learning from mistakes

tendency to identify what’s wrong; little ability to identify, name, and appreciate what’s right"


In short: white people and white teachers and white kids are intrinsically nasty, mean, selfish, self-centred, spiteful, critical, guilt-ridden and so on, and so forth

This is pure, bilious racism. This has fuck all to do with "whiteness". Imagine ascribing these characterstics to "blackness" or "Jewishness" or "Chineseness"

Whoever made this list obviously hasn't been to the Caribbean. They need to get out more.

Passed Crewe on Thursday and saw a load of brand new Merseyrail trains (Class 777) parked in the sidings.

TimS said:

Just missed my flight. 5th time in my adult life. This time because it was delayed delayed delayed and then suddenly gate closing, and unlike most sensible travellers I wasn’t parked at the gate waiting for news.

But they got me on the later flight thank god. So I now have an hour or so extra in the no man’s land of departures for emails, paninis and idle social media perusal.

Remember this post if “the later flight” tragically crashes.

You certainly won't forget if the one you missed does.

IshmaelZ said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MoonRabbit said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

In the miner’s strike it (belatedly) worked because it came at the end of over a decade of excessive Union power.

It won’t work now. The unions haven’t had much of any power recently, and most people are thinking good for them. I suspect a fair few may be inspired to join a Union. Times have changed and the (“high wage economy”) Tories don’t get it. Most people want a pay rise. Not just train drivers.

Train drivers aren't actually on strike.

Do train spotters get today off, or is it a premium day?

I visited Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead yesterday to beat the strike

You’ll get through this Sunil. We all will.

Be Strong. 💪🏻

Also undertook my Special Railway Operation last Thursday to do the Trafford Centre tram line in Manchester last Thursday!

So how many drops was that for you, Sunil?

In England, just need Dale Rail (Sundays only) on the National Rail network, also awaiting the opening of the tram to Blackpool North station, and the London Overground to Barking Riverside.

Nigel_Foremain said:

pigeon said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

It seems an odd war to wage at a time when almost everyone is on the economic back foot.

Mrs Thatcher waged her war on the miners by first ensuring the Police, who were doing her bidding for her had been well recompensed, and those voters who were minded to vote for her were also doing ok.

Yes, but while I wouldn't vote for the Tories while the Clown is in charge, it does remind me that Labour is always on the side of strikers (who think it is other people who should feel the effects of the cost of living crisis rather than them), and therefore further remind me of why I should never vote Labour.

That's interesting. Is it therefore your contention that nobody should go on strike, ever?

Employers who are not exposed to the potential of collective defence and collective action can, and frequently do, act with impunity and treat their employees like absolute shit.

We live in an environment where corporate profits, executive pay and asset prices in general are all continuously appreciating, whereas earned incomes are still below where they were in 2008, adjusting for inflation. That is symbolic of an economy that works only for certain privileged groups, like outright homeowners and the rich, whilst steadily impoverishing the rest. That situation has a number of causes; limited unionisation and the pathetically weak bargaining position of most workers is one of these.

Rail workers going on strike because they won't accept a shit pay deal isn't the big issue here. Most other people accepting, or being forced to swallow, shit pay deals is.

To go on strike is a human right so therefore it should not be made illegal. However, IMO it is generally not morally supportable in the modern age when the people striking mostly have the ability to work elsewhere if they do not like pay and conditions, particularly if that causes massive inconvenience to others.

What they are saying is "we have a powerful union, so we will not accept the pain of the cost of living increases, but the rest of you can go and fuck yourselves".

If even half these signallers, platform staff and other railway workers decided to sling their hooks and work elsewhere then it would cause an awful lot more than a few days' inconvenience. It would cause a couple of years of inconvenience whilst all the replacements were hired and trained.

Anyway, why should the rail workers not bargain for a better deal just because other people are either unable or unwilling to organise to do similar? One of the great successes of anti-union and anti-worker propaganda is this notion that, because strikes cause inconvenience to other people, those striking are entirely at fault and should be made to desist. You hear it all the time from the Government and a lot in vox pops as well - stuff along the lines of "why should I put up with strikes when I still need to get to work, and anyway they make more money than I do?" All too often the anger is thrown by one group of working people at another - when what they might, perhaps, wish to ask instead is "is this really down to the workers, or do crap employers perhaps have a case to answer?" or "why am I wasting my energy being jealous at them, rather than asking why my own employer is treating me like crap and what I can do about it?"

The moral of this story is that, if everyone had the support of a strong union, the relative treatment of the mass of ordinary working people, versus that of high earners, well-to-do pensioners and the outright rich, would be rather more equitable - as opposed to the economy being run by the Conservative Party entirely for the benefit of its client groups.

rkrkrk said:

turbotubbs said:

dixiedean said:

Streisand Effect on PM.
Second story.

Give us a clue? Can’t find anything!

Carrie on looking and you'll find it

She would have been brilliant working for the Royal Family, she does look a lot like them - shame Boris couldn’t quite swing it 😕

Ah, triple lock, truly the gift that keeps on giving. Literally.

Nigelb said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

Alistair said:

US Supreme court just ended separation of Church and State in America.

You'd think it would be bigger news.

No, it's not so abrupt.

The latest decision is just part of the steady erosion of the scope of the Establishment Clause.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3530982-sotomayor-accuses-conservatives-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/

The eventual effect is the same, but as you note, it doesn't make so big a splash.

At least America has judges fighting back against the Wokeness

We have nothing

The Founding Fathers were woke?

Retarded lefties, mainly.
True conservatives are going to have to rethink the whole originalism thing at some point.

Originalism already seemed to require pretty inventive interpretations dressed up as cleaving strictly to the letter.

pigeon said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

pigeon said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I am

Northern_Al said:

noneoftheabove said:

wooliedyed said:

Updated YouGov for BJO
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week

All Britons
Support 37% / Oppose 45%

Con voters
Support 18% / Oppose 72%

Lab voters
Support 65% / Oppose 18%

https://t.co/0J86iNrRWO https://t.co/KHoARzP4tj

Strong Support/Oppose now at 14/27

Interesting. I find a lot of polling difficult as read the questions way too literally. I don't really support the strikes taking place - I want there to be a resolution instead. But I very clearly blame the government, not the unions or even the rail bosses with impossible budgets to reconcile.

An interesting polling question would be something like:

"Do you think the government has done enough to seek to resolve the rail dispute and prevent the strikes taking place?".

I suspect the answer would be a resounding 'no', even from many folk totally opposed to the strikes.

It is more than possible Boris and the cabinet have taken the decision to take on the RMT and to arrive at a settlement circa 4-5% subject to modernisation as a bench mark for the public sector

This is an economic and political struggle that could go either way but I believe this is a fight the government want to take on

It seems an odd war to wage at a time when almost everyone is on the economic back foot.

Mrs Thatcher waged her war on the miners by first ensuring the Police, who were doing her bidding for her had been well recompensed, and those voters who were minded to vote for her were also doing ok.

Yes, but while I wouldn't vote for the Tories while the Clown is in charge, it does remind me that Labour is always on the side of strikers (who think it is other people who should feel the effects of the cost of living crisis rather than them), and therefore further remind me of why I should never vote Labour.

That's interesting. Is it therefore your contention that nobody should go on strike, ever?

Employers who are not exposed to the potential of collective defence and collective action can, and frequently do, act with impunity and treat their employees like absolute shit.

We live in an environment where corporate profits, executive pay and asset prices in general are all continuously appreciating, whereas earned incomes are still below where they were in 2008, adjusting for inflation. That is symbolic of an economy that works only for certain privileged groups, like outright homeowners and the rich, whilst steadily impoverishing the rest. That situation has a number of causes; limited unionisation and the pathetically weak bargaining position of most workers is one of these.

Rail workers going on strike because they won't accept a shit pay deal isn't the big issue here. Most other people accepting, or being forced to swallow, shit pay deals is.

To go on strike is a human right so therefore it should not be made illegal. However, IMO it is generally not morally supportable in the modern age when the people striking mostly have the ability to work elsewhere if they do not like pay and conditions, particularly if that causes massive inconvenience to others.

What they are saying is "we have a powerful union, so we will not accept the pain of the cost of living increases, but the rest of you can go and fuck yourselves".

If even half these signallers, platform staff and other railway workers decided to sling their hooks and work elsewhere then it would cause an awful lot more than a few days' inconvenience. It would cause a couple of years of inconvenience whilst all the replacements were hired and trained.

Anyway, why should the rail workers not bargain for a better deal just because other people are either unable or unwilling to organise to do similar? One of the great successes of anti-union and anti-worker propaganda is this notion that, because strikes cause inconvenience to other people, those striking are entirely at fault and should be made to desist. You hear it all the time from the Government and a lot in vox pops as well - stuff along the lines of "why should I put up with strikes when I still need to get to work, and anyway they make more money than I do?" All too often the anger is thrown by one group of working people at another - when what they might, perhaps, wish to ask instead is "is this really down to the workers, or do crap employers perhaps have a case to answer?" or "why am I wasting my energy being jealous at them, rather than asking why my own employer is treating me like crap and what I can do about it?"

The moral of this story is that, if everyone had the support of a strong union, the relative treatment of the mass of ordinary working people, versus that of high earners, well-to-do pensioners and the outright rich, would be rather more equitable - as opposed to the economy being run by the Conservative Party entirely for the benefit of its client groups.

Or, to put it more concisely, divide and rule has been the leitmotif of Tory governments for as long as I can remember.

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Here you go, a definitive guide to The Wokeness, for dim lefties who keep making this retarded point, believing it to be original if not interesting


Woke Religion: A Taxonomy
By
@peterboghossian
and
@ShellenbergerMD



https://twitter.com/peterboghossian/status/1458781564964331520?s=20&t=ZKME03Kosfa8ZzI3mJWkww

Your retort is exactly the issue. The “anti-woke” have decided that everyone not right wing is therefore their caricature of woke.

Most of us live our lives, try not to go out of our way to offend people for the sake of it, but object to the more puritanical attitudes of the Roundheads that populate parts of the left.

But our pretty mainstream, normie and dare I say Blairite, views get grouped the Mail and friends as woke. So guess what, we stop listening to them. If you expand your list of enemies to incorporate most people in the country then generally in a democracy you end up losing.

Everyone banged on in 2016 about how elite metropolitan Britain invented a fantasy globalist paradise that ignored the real voters. Now their opposite make the same mistake.

You didn't even read it, and if you did you still probably wouldn't get it

Intelligent lefties like you that do not accept the existential peril of Wokeness are a major part of the problem. You just think it is cranks, social justice warriors, etc. It is waaaaay beyond that

Leon said:

mwadams said:

Leon said:

I think it behoves us all to read this document on getting racism out of maths, a document which is now part of the Californian education system. Here's an excerpt about "white supremacy" in the mathematics classroom




NOTES ON TERMS
The terms used in the engagement section of this resource are ideas presented in the dismantling Racism workbook
(2016) notebook, grounded on the work of Jones and Okun (2001). It is important to read this article first to fully
understand the terms that are identified as characteristics of white supremacy culture in organizations. We contextualize these ideas into the math classroom to make visible how white supremacy culture plays out in these spaces.

As a visual indicator, we italicize the terms used to identify white supremacy characteristics as
defined by Jones and Okun (2001). They are as follows:

• Perfectionism
• Sense of Urgency
• Defensiveness
• Quantity Over Quality
• Worship of the Written Word
• Paternalism
• Either/Or Thinking
• Power Hoarding
• Fear of Open Conflict
• Individualism
• Only One Right Way
• Progress is Bigger, More
• Objectivity
• Right to Comfort

Damn those white kids doing maths with their "objectivity", "sense of urgency", perfectionism", and "fear of open conflict", what maths needs is "subjectivity", "a sense of Whatever", "who cares if its right", and "open conflict"

https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

Hmmm. The rest of the document is an excellent approach to inclusivity and engagement in maths teaching, and I'd warmly commend it to the group. So I thought I'd also take ten minutes to see what this list is about.

https://www.uuare.org/cwsc/

Good link there. And the discussion of objectivity in terms of worldview, which would include things such as previous experiences of being taught maths, variation of approaches to problems (e.g. analytical, visual), is absolutely applicable to maths teaching. You can easily see how a dominant culture applying a single 'objective' approach to teaching might exclude those who do not share that.

So I think we can untwist our knickers here. Remember, this is about *teaching* maths. And it isn't about white kids per se, it's about white supremacist teachers constructing an environment which demonstrates their theories that white kids in their classes are "better" at maths than black kids.

Just checked that link


Here we go. Here is the list of things included under Perfectionism, which in just one of the.....


"CHARACTERISTICS OF WHITE SUPREMACY CULTURE
by Tema Okun (original article)

This is a list of characteristics of white supremacy culture which show up in our organizations:

PERFECTIONISM

little appreciation expressed among people for the work that others are doing; appreciation that is expressed usually directed to those who get most of the credit anyway

more common is to point out either how the person or work is inadequate

or even more common, to talk to others about the inadequacies of a person or their work without ever talking directly to them

mistakes are seen as personal, i.e. they reflect badly on the person making them as opposed to being seen for what they are: mistakes

making a mistake is confused with being a mistake, doing wrong with being wrong

little time, energy, or money put into reflection or identifying lessons learned that can improve practice, in other words little or no learning from mistakes

tendency to identify what’s wrong; little ability to identify, name, and appreciate what’s right"


In short: white people and white teachers and white kids are intrinsically nasty, mean, selfish, self-centred, spiteful, critical, guilt-ridden and so on, and so forth

This is pure, bilious racism. This has fuck all to do with "whiteness". Imagine ascribing these characterstics to "blackness" or "Jewishness" or "Chineseness"

That is some pretty moronic and offensive stuff.

People should focus their ire purely on crap like that and not dilute the attack by overusing the woke label. Because then that ridiculous stuff will just get overlooked.

TimS said:

Thanks to right wing media the definition of “woke” continues to expand and will not stop until it comes to mean “anything that’s in opposition to the Conservative party”.

Unions: woke
Big business: way too woke
Pro-European tendencies: woke
Teaching foreign languages at school: woke
The metric system: woke as fuck
Britain’s capital city, the whole of Surrey and Berkshire and all settlements north of Carlisle: yep, you guessed it, woke

Less is more. Some things are so patently ridiculous they should be subject to ridicule and attack, and that will just not be as effective if the same term is being used for basically anything.

TheScreamingEagles said:

2022 GOP.

Also, Texas GOP official policy platform is that Trump won the 2020 election.