YouGov MRP poll has CON losing to LAB all but 3 of 88 marginals – politicalbetting.com
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Though for most people, it will still hurt an awful lot. Sadly, necessarily so.IshmaelZ said:
Don't know they are born, do they? In the 70s I was living on a small island in a lake of sulphuric acid...CD13 said:Mr Z,
"Is there any precedent for help with cost of living crises?"
It's totally new to me. I suppose it must be a younger generation, namby-pamby, mental health issue. Every time inflation goes over 2% , it will be start printing money or we'll be all be bigots.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
But I don't see how it's working if it's not hurting. The one thing worse than a wage inflation spiral is a wage plus government help for hard working families inflation spiral
(And even the £400 per household is largely recycling the windfall from freezing tax thresholds when inflation is about 10%.)1 -
Submitting letters can be secret too, and yet while we don't know how many are in we do know it's not enough. Secrecy doesn't always lead to boldness.Stocky said:
Secret. That's why I think Johnson will lose it.Foxy said:
Indeed. There is no point in a vote unless it is won.Stocky said:If 54 letters do go in and in the resulting VOC 184 (say) Tory MPs vote against Johnson one wonders why 130 of them lacked confidence in their leader but didn't bother brandishing their quills.
Is the confidence vote public or by secret ballot?2 -
He made his home inNigelb said:
So he’s the Tories’ Jonah ?Farooq said:
Tangentially, everyone keeps calling Boris a lucky general, but his time in office has been uniquely blighted by circumstance even if you ignore his own moral and practical failings.DavidL said:I must confess in 2019 it seemed to me that the self indulgent stupidity of Labour putting Corbyn forward as PM for the second time had not only lost that election but the next one. At that time my expectation was that a worst case for the Tories was probably a 1992 victory the next time out.
I no longer think that which is a credit to the efforts of SKS and a reflection of the chaos Boris has unleashed on the party and the country. What does the current government stand for? It's certainly not economic stability, balanced accounts, a long term perspective on our problems, low taxes, an environment that promotes investment and training, I could go on all day.
I think, in fairness, they have had an extremely difficult hand to play with the economic catastrophe of Covid, the consequences of Putin's mad invasion and an ever more beligerent China but they seem to me to stagger from one make do to the next without a plan, without vision, without thought of the consequences. They are an extremely unconservative government in every way. They do not respect the rule of law, our institutions, our sense of dignity and proprietry. Enough.
A fish's abdomen
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He is showing the PM utter disrespect by not believing he is so stupid as to have no idea what was going on.kle4 said:
He is showing the PM respect by not believing he's stupid enough to have had no idea of events.DecrepiterJohnL said:
To summarise:Stocky said:
I can't read the article but I rate Bob Neill highly.Heathener said:Bob Neil's article in the Daily Telegraph is MUST reading, especially for those remaining Boris supporters on here.
You should read this ... and weep.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/27/tories-win-next-election-boris-has-go/
After the Gray Report, Bob Neill cannot accept that Boris did not know what was going on.
To be be fair, there’s at least 25 of the current crop of Tory MPs with a sense of decency and backbone to voice it.
Anyway, I don’t want to see anything typed in capital letters or capital numbers this morning, I have a terrible hangover.0 -
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.0 -
CD13 is correct that Boris has carefully crafted an image, a persona. Where I disagree is that the notion that that Boris includes projecting he wants the best for the country. It isn’t part of it.eek said:
Sorry but the only image I get of Bozo is someone in it for himself and destroying anyone or anything that would remove him from where he is.CD13 said:BoJo's talent is to project an image successfully. An amateur blundering around, but at heart someone who wants the best for the country. Harold Wilson projected a cuddly image. Margaret Thatcher a competent, functional image.
Critically Boris projects an image that he is an anti-politics anti-politician. He is there to take down the pomposity of the establishment. His constituency are those who want to see the world burn.
Ironically, he is the very essence of the establishment and pomposity. It’s a potent trick.1 -
So did Lady Macbeth until the moment of her suicide.IshmaelZ said:
Not seeing that, lady C stayed put Shirley?ydoethur said:
More like Lady Capulet.IshmaelZ said:
Speaking of which we weren't allowed to call the First Lady, Lady Macbeth, but is Helen of Troy permitted?ydoethur said:
‘Murderer’ is actually masculine. The female equivalent is ‘murderess.’DayTripper said:
What's wrong with "murderer"? Nicely gender-free.BartholomewRoberts said:
The silicon chip inside her headLuckyguy1983 said:Do we call them a 'shooter' because 'gunman' is sexist? It is always a man or men.
Got switched to overload
And nobody's gonna go to school today
She's gonna make them stay at home
Not always man or men. Usually is, but not always. 😞
Perhaps Jessica in The Merchant of Venice, although of course she was the daughter rather than the wife of Shylock.0 -
It’s almost certainly true that, absent the pandemic, an eager pro-EU media would have been splashing every small story of trade friction as if it were the Apocolypse, on a daily basis since 2021.kjh said:
I agree Boris has been hit by extraordinary events since becoming PM, more extraordinary than any PM since Chamberlain . However that doesn't mean it should be a disadvantage. Boris doesn't get blamed for causing COVID and it is an opportunity to take credit for handling it. What it has done is suppressed all the potential Brexit disaster stories such that only Leon now keeps going on about it and for that he is lucky.DavidL said:
Yes, that is very fair. Almost any PM would have struggled with the last few years. I think the importance of Brexit is constantly overstated but there is also no question that the country has been deeply divided by it just as we in Scotland continue to be deeply divided by independence. Divided countries are never easy to govern but it needs a PM who can work hard at bringing people together and developing a sense of common purpose. Boris is almost the antithitis of this. He thrives on division, scorn and lying. It has undoubtedly aggravated the situation.Farooq said:
Tangentially, everyone keeps calling Boris a lucky general, but his time in office has been uniquely blighted by circumstance even if you ignore his own moral and practical failings.DavidL said:I must confess in 2019 it seemed to me that the self indulgent stupidity of Labour putting Corbyn forward as PM for the second time had not only lost that election but the next one. At that time my expectation was that a worst case for the Tories was probably a 1992 victory the next time out.
I no longer think that which is a credit to the efforts of SKS and a reflection of the chaos Boris has unleashed on the party and the country. What does the current government stand for? It's certainly not economic stability, balanced accounts, a long term perspective on our problems, low taxes, an environment that promotes investment and training, I could go on all day.
I think, in fairness, they have had an extremely difficult hand to play with the economic catastrophe of Covid, the consequences of Putin's mad invasion and an ever more beligerent China but they seem to me to stagger from one make do to the next without a plan, without vision, without thought of the consequences. They are an extremely unconservative government in every way. They do not respect the rule of law, our institutions, our sense of dignity and proprietry. Enough.0 -
But getting to 54 is a substantive tipping point not just procedural. Now: Big Dog is so powerful his enemies cannot even get 54 letters in; he is invulnerable and will triumph at whatever he sets his hand to. Then: cancel that last thought.kle4 said:
Submitting letters can be secret too, and yet while we don't know how many are in we do know it's not enough. Secrecy doesn't always lead to boldness.Stocky said:
Secret. That's why I think Johnson will lose it.Foxy said:
Indeed. There is no point in a vote unless it is won.Stocky said:If 54 letters do go in and in the resulting VOC 184 (say) Tory MPs vote against Johnson one wonders why 130 of them lacked confidence in their leader but didn't bother brandishing their quills.
Is the confidence vote public or by secret ballot?
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. That he projects an image of himself that is invented and he does it well and though it might be irritating it's successful? And you say this in reply to a header that suggests he's heading for an unprecedented failure and with approval ratings lower than Corbyn's?CD13 said:BoJo's talent is to project an image successfully. An amateur blundering around, but at heart someone who wants the best for the country. Harold Wilson projected a cuddly image. Margaret Thatcher a competent, functional image.
All successful ones do. People who take politics seriously are annoyed by this. Some feel that it somehow shouldn't be allowed. But taking politics seriously doesn't mean you're better at it. We have people allowed out on their own who believe North Korea is the route to go down. If only people could see what Kim, whoever he is now, is being seriously maligned.
For what it's worth, I have no time for Bojo, but he's good at what he does. It may feel like Frankie Howerd on a bad day, but I have only one vote.
Wilson took to a pipe, Bojo has a vaudeville routine, Corbyn is a Trotsky tribute act, Putin controls the media. Whichever stage act you prefer automatically gains credibility. There's no science to it. Political science is a great oxymoron.
Let it wash over you. Democracy is the important thing.
If this is what you're saying then shouldn't he try his talents at something where they are appreciated?
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True, but anyone here counts as an expert.eek said:
Sorry but the only image I get of Bozo is someone in it for himself and destroying anyone or anything that would remove him from where he is.CD13 said:BoJo's talent is to project an image successfully. An amateur blundering around, but at heart someone who wants the best for the country. Harold Wilson projected a cuddly image. Margaret Thatcher a competent, functional image.
The Boris facade is that he isn't a politician, and he wants the best for the country.
The Boris reality is that he has all the vices of politicians but none of the virtues... That takes a while to realise. But everyone gets there in the end.
Reader, I voted for him a couple of times. Sorry, everyone.0 -
A book? Normally opposition leaders go for a column in a national newspaper.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c9097680 -
This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders0 -
I disliked your spin post yesterday Nick stating that because of the money splurge on Thursday Labour lead should drop to 2 points or you will be gobsmacked. I have the opposite opinion - and we both can’t be right or playing it straight - I have Tories entering June Gloom in polling, Thursday as merely what the voters expect from government in such a crisis, nothing special and if anything late response and poorly targeted,. Things I’m watching out for from the coming polls to assess movement amongst the MOENickPalmer said:
Yes, I phrased it badly. The keyword there is "many". I absolutely think there are also many principled Conservative MPs, and probabhly quite a few who feel conflicted between principle and pragmatism.kjh said:
Really Nick? I am sure that is true of many but I would like to think some are principled.NickPalmer said:
Yes, the relationship between Johnson and the Conservative Party has become purely transactional (was it ever anything else?). If many Conservative MPs think (and polls are really the best available indicator) he's got the best shot at leading them to victory, they'll keep him. If they don't, they won't. Sentiment or consideration of any wider interest does not enter into it.Stocky said:I agree with Fishing and CR that mid-term polls hold little value as a guide 2+ years out.
However, Tory MPs will take note of them - saving their own skins and saving the Tory brand in general may do for Johnson rather than the Partygate stuff itself.
The biggest lead Opinium have given Labour since the change is 4.
The lowest Tory vote share on Opinium since the change, 34.
The last lab Lib green total from yougov recent first - 58, 56, 52, looking for trend for it being bigger than 58; if it breaks 60 milestone it can be spun as 6 out of 10 voters in an anti Tory alliance due to toxic Boris lethal drag on Tory performance0 -
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.2 -
At least after Durham Constabulary have thrown the book at him he will have plenty of time to finish it.kle4 said:
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.
We have been waiting years for BigDog's next opus volumes sadly he is going to be far to busy to conclude them for decades to come.0 -
Hmmm unconvinced by a book, most of the electorate will barely pay attention to a list of 10 manifesto promises let alone a book. Perhaps he should given labour's popularity with younger demographics make it a graphic novel.tlg86 said:
A book? Normally opposition leaders go for a column in a national newspaper.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c9097681 -
There’s quite a large part of the US right which would like to abolish public schooling.kle4 said:
I've got it - everyone is homeschooled or taught online, while schools are used as gun storage facilities.Theuniondivvie said:Just heard a clip of Trump reading out the names of the Uvalde victims at the NRA annual convention in Texas, a single toll of a bell between each name. I’m ashamed to say I’d forgotten the crass cheesiness of which he’s capable.
It’s just a matter of time before these people are demanding that school kids be armed.0 -
Have we covered Piers Morgan adopting the Andrew Neil approach on escaping a dying TV channel
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10862591/Piers-Morgan-month-Talk-TV-show.html0 -
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.1 -
It's a power grab at the curriculum. Simple.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
As I noted earlier. There's a huge shortage of teachers right now. Pay is not competitive. Older hands are quitting. And a huge demographic cohort hitting Secondary age.
De-professionalise the job is the way to solve it in this government's eyes. It succeeded in FE.
Plus. The Tories just adore Red Tape. As much as possible for other people. I expect we'll see volunteers in the classroom before too long.
What could possibly go wrong?1 -
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.3 -
But the trick only works until people see through it at which point they are likely to swing the other way and blame anyone associated with Bozo (i.e. their local Tory MP) rather than themselves.Jonathan said:
CD13 is correct that Boris has carefully crafted an image, a persona. Where I disagree is that the notion that that Boris includes projecting he wants the best for the country. It isn’t part of it.eek said:
Sorry but the only image I get of Bozo is someone in it for himself and destroying anyone or anything that would remove him from where he is.CD13 said:BoJo's talent is to project an image successfully. An amateur blundering around, but at heart someone who wants the best for the country. Harold Wilson projected a cuddly image. Margaret Thatcher a competent, functional image.
Critically Boris projects an image that he is an anti-politics anti-politician. He is there to take down the pomposity of the establishment. His constituency are those who want to see the world burn.
Ironically, he is the very essence of the establishment and pomposity. It’s a potent trick.
Most new MPs get a boost when they first stand for re-election, as today's poll shows that boost has already disappeared and the economic pain that will be this year hasn't even started yet.2 -
This isn’t a test match you’re observing.Mexicanpete said:
At least after Durham Constabulary have thrown the book at him he will have plenty of time to finish it.kle4 said:
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.
We have been waiting years for BigDog's next opus volumes sadly he is going to be far to busy to conclude them for decades to come.
While I applaud the effort to jinx him, I’m not convinced it will work.0 -
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.3 -
Perhaps we could divert all resources for training professionals to the PB Tory's preferred method of educational delivery. Box ticking, assessment by video NVQs, and modern apprenticeships.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
Levelling up, or dumbing down?1 -
Some more on the story here;Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/just-1-in-3-teacher-trainers-re-accredited-after-first-review-round/
Basically, the government created another hooplah for teacher trainers to jump through without thinking about practicalities.
The wider problem is that if teacher retention were better, recruitment and training wouldn't be needed so much.
Unions calling strikes is bad, but the free market solution- staff just leave- is even harder to manage.0 -
Nice story on phage therapies.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/may/13/phage-therapy-fight-against-drug-resistant-infections-antibiotics
… The second patient, the 56-year-old man with arthritis, developed a serious skin infection, which is a risk among those on immunosuppressive drugs. He was treated with a single phage, called Muddy, which had been discovered in a sample taken from the underside of a decomposed aubergine. After a few weeks his skin lesions cleared and after two months he tested negative for the bacteria on a biopsy….5 -
Yes, if people do get CPI payrises, that fiscal drag will be tremendous.Stuartinromford said:
Though for most people, it will still hurt an awful lot. Sadly, necessarily so.IshmaelZ said:
Don't know they are born, do they? In the 70s I was living on a small island in a lake of sulphuric acid...CD13 said:Mr Z,
"Is there any precedent for help with cost of living crises?"
It's totally new to me. I suppose it must be a younger generation, namby-pamby, mental health issue. Every time inflation goes over 2% , it will be start printing money or we'll be all be bigots.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
But I don't see how it's working if it's not hurting. The one thing worse than a wage inflation spiral is a wage plus government help for hard working families inflation spiral
(And even the £400 per household is largely recycling the windfall from freezing tax thresholds when inflation is about 10%.)0 -
The irony being that many school based teacher training schemes are very much cottage industries who can't possibly cope with the bureaucracy associated with re-accreditation. Especially right now.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
Given their malice, the incompetence of this government is something of a saving grace.3 -
Oh yes. And the "Provider Relationship Managers" is another favourite solution.
An entirely new layer of management created to solve problems which exist only in the minds of those in Whitehall.1 -
The preferred higher education policy on PB is for other peoples children not to go to university. How else can standards be maintained?Mexicanpete said:
Perhaps we could divert all resources for training professionals to the PB Tory's preferred method of educational delivery. Box ticking, assessment by video NVQs, and modern apprenticeships.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
Levelling up, or dumbing down?10 -
Lack of confidence in the other 129.Stocky said:If 54 letters do go in and in the resulting VOC 184 (say) Tory MPs vote against Johnson one wonders why 130 of them lacked confidence in their leader but didn't bother brandishing their quills.
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Picture Quiz
Where am I?
Hint: it’s ridiculously picturesque and pleasant
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I was quite neutral about it at first, but my teacher at school charged me up about it.Farooq said:
That pretty much explains my current resistance to becoming a teacherJonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.1 -
A somewhat belated Good Morning everyone.
Totally o/t but looks as though our blue-tit chicks are preparing to leave the nest-box. Sometimes all out of the nest itself and clustering round one of the exits.
Looks like they need a few more feathers, though. Looks as though the parents will rear 6 from 8 eggs.1 -
Nice metaphor.OldKingCole said:A somewhat belated Good Morning everyone.
Totally o/t but looks as though our blue-tit chicks are preparing to leave the nest-box. Sometimes all out of the nest itself and clustering round one of the exits.
Looks like they need a few more feathers, though. Looks as though the parents will rear 6 from 8 eggs.0 -
No, I think it will be Starmers work. Worthy, stodgy and longwinded, yet vague.kle4 said:
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.
He needs to distill it down to pledge cards. Somewhere in a drawer I have a 1997 one signed and given to me by Prescott himself.4 -
A guy who was recently working for me has taken a job as a labourer with a contractor at Tata Steel, starting salary £29k plus overtime. It's a horrible job he has been allocated, the back- breaking shovelling up of spilled coke being delivered to the coke ovens in roasting temperatures.Jonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
There is a certain irony that wealthy MPs spend fortunes on a expensive education for their children, yet advise the hoi poloi not to bother because they can earn more shovelling coke than they can educating the nation. How then do the children of MPs invest their educational qualifications? There may be no money in coal-face education, but I suspect management roles in Academy schools are worth a punt with the right network connections.0 -
There’s a joke in there somewhere, about MPs shovelling coke…Mexicanpete said:
A guy who was recently working for me has taken a job as a labourer with a contractor at Tata Steel, starting salary £29k plus overtime. It's a horrible job he has been allocated, the back- breaking shovelling up of spilled coke being delivered to the coke ovens in roasting temperatures.Jonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
There is a certain irony that wealthy MPs spend fortunes on a expensive education for their children, yet advise the hoi poloi not to bother because they can earn more shovelling coke than they can educating the nation. How then do the children of MPs invest their educational qualifications? There may be no money in coal-face education, but I suspect management roles in Academy schools are worth a punt with the right network connections.1 -
Absolutely. Could be any Cotswold village from that hint.Stocky said:
Not much of a hintLeon said:Picture Quiz
Where am I?
Hint: it’s ridiculously picturesque and pleasant
As an aside, I am shocked that patriot monarchist @Leon is planning to be out of the country for Her Maj's big celebration. He's no true patriot!0 -
Was the photographer still hungover? The picture looks a bit squiffy to me.Leon said:Picture Quiz
Where am I?
Hint: it’s ridiculously picturesque and pleasant1 -
Hartlepool?Leon said:Picture Quiz
Where am I?
Hint: it’s ridiculously picturesque and pleasant1 -
Careful, somebody might give you smack.Sandpit said:
There’s a joke in there somewhere, about MPs shovelling coke…Mexicanpete said:
A guy who was recently working for me has taken a job as a labourer with a contractor at Tata Steel, starting salary £29k plus overtime. It's a horrible job he has been allocated, the back- breaking shovelling up of spilled coke being delivered to the coke ovens in roasting temperatures.Jonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
There is a certain irony that wealthy MPs spend fortunes on a expensive education for their children, yet advise the hoi poloi not to bother because they can earn more shovelling coke than they can educating the nation. How then do the children of MPs invest their educational qualifications? There may be no money in coal-face education, but I suspect management roles in Academy schools are worth a punt with the right network connections.1 -
... but maybe the pledges should not be set in stone, eh?Foxy said:
No, I think it will be Starmers work. Worthy, stodgy and longwinded, yet vague.kle4 said:
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.
He needs to distill it down to pledge cards. Somewhere in a drawer I have a 1997 one signed and given to me by Prescott himself.
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Ok, so that narrows down the particular post-election government flavour to three feasible possibilities:dixiedean said:
Yes. I guess so. The difference being, Labour doesn't offer the option of Coalition under my scenario. They have no constitutional need to. Nor any political imperative.Stocky said:
Right, but if LP have the numbers with LD/SNP, as Tories did with DUP, then aren't you going with 2) above? Isn't your number 3) the same as my number 2)?dixiedean said:
No. Because unless they had the numbers with the DUP they'd be unlikely to pass a Queen's Speech. That's what makes you the government. Not a headcount or popular vote count.Stocky said:
Surely in that scenario it would be the CP which runs as a minority government? I know that would be short-lived.dixiedean said:
Is it?Stocky said:
This is only possible if LP wins most seats (but no majority).dixiedean said:
3)Stocky said:A few more of you big brains have arisen from slumber so - cummon - can I have responses to my post early this morning:
If (as pigeon posits) the LP win most seats but are reliant on support from both the LDs and SNP, which of these scenarios would play out?:
1) LDs and SNP agree to go into formal coalition with the LP
or
2) LDs ands SNP would only support the LP with no formal coalition
Or would LDs opt for one and the SNP the other.
Bear in mind that only formal coalition would result in LD and SNP cabinet ministers.
Labour rules as a minority government. Refuses to offer a Coalition. It introduces things the SNP like. A referendum in 4 years time. And things the LD's like. PR for Councils and possibly HoL? The latter would be a multi year project. And nowt else radical. They are able to command a solid majority in practice.
Meanwhile. The Conservative Party has to confront its ideological incoherence and has a difficult debate about what the heck it is for.
Then Labour goes to the country after two years.
It's the Wilson playbook.
They need to win first of course. And a lot depends on the numbers of course.
What if CP win most seats but no majority and the only majority that can be found is LP/LD/SNP?
It's perfectly possible to rule as the second largest Party provided you can pass a Queen's Speech. Although the media and Tories would kick up a stink.
A Queen's Speech with an Indyref some years in the future, and some kind of move towards PR wouldn't be voted down.
Lab Minority (2.36)
Con Majority (3.3)
Lab and LD Coalition (12.5)
I have discounted SNP in coalition (posters below), Con Minority (as CP has no friends) and Lab Majority (maths, not going to happen).
Smarket odds on the three feasibles are above in brackets (Smarkets). I'm keeping an eye on this market. Not particularly backable at the moment with a book percentage of 140% and the back side and 75% on the lay side.1 -
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Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.2
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Tories don't give a shit about state education because most of them don't use it. My solution is simple: no cabinet minister or senior civil servant can send their child to private school. You would be amazed at how quickly the situation would improve.dixiedean said:
It's a power grab at the curriculum. Simple.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
As I noted earlier. There's a huge shortage of teachers right now. Pay is not competitive. Older hands are quitting. And a huge demographic cohort hitting Secondary age.
De-professionalise the job is the way to solve it in this government's eyes. It succeeded in FE.
Plus. The Tories just adore Red Tape. As much as possible for other people. I expect we'll see volunteers in the classroom before too long.
What could possibly go wrong?1 -
Picture quiz, where was I two days ago.
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Well, it was an attempted pun on ‘bugger Bognor’ and actually substituting ‘bugger’ for Bognor, but it seems not to have been well received.Benpointer said:0 -
The problem with the #edstone is the vagueness of the statements, with no SMART objectives. Contrast with the 1997 pledge card:Benpointer said:
... but maybe the pledges should not be set in stone, eh?Foxy said:
No, I think it will be Starmers work. Worthy, stodgy and longwinded, yet vague.kle4 said:
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.
He needs to distill it down to pledge cards. Somewhere in a drawer I have a 1997 one signed and given to me by Prescott himself.
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We are looking for a Christian country (see the church) with a river and a steep hill (earlier photo) that is trying to revitalise its tourist industry post-Covid. Is it North Wales?Stocky said:0 -
Only a dope would.ydoethur said:
Careful, somebody might give you smack.Sandpit said:
There’s a joke in there somewhere, about MPs shovelling coke…Mexicanpete said:
A guy who was recently working for me has taken a job as a labourer with a contractor at Tata Steel, starting salary £29k plus overtime. It's a horrible job he has been allocated, the back- breaking shovelling up of spilled coke being delivered to the coke ovens in roasting temperatures.Jonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
There is a certain irony that wealthy MPs spend fortunes on a expensive education for their children, yet advise the hoi poloi not to bother because they can earn more shovelling coke than they can educating the nation. How then do the children of MPs invest their educational qualifications? There may be no money in coal-face education, but I suspect management roles in Academy schools are worth a punt with the right network connections.2 -
Another hint
There’s a lot of UKRAINE flags
Plus you can see their insane script here
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Tom LarkinJohnO said:Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.
@TomLarkinSky
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In a statement on his personal website - https://stevebrine.com/news/statement-after-sue-gray-report-published.
Which actually went up on WEDNESDAY but seemingly entirely unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/TomLarkinSky0 -
Ooh. Didn’t you say you were in Berlin?Theuniondivvie said:Picture quiz, where was I two days ago.
Sans souci?0 -
Actually the majority of Tory MPs now went to state school. However the Tories also believe in choice, including private educationOnlyLivingBoy said:
Tories don't give a shit about state education because most of them don't use it. My solution is simple: no cabinet minister or senior civil servant can send their child to private school. You would be amazed at how quickly the situation would improve.dixiedean said:
It's a power grab at the curriculum. Simple.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
As I noted earlier. There's a huge shortage of teachers right now. Pay is not competitive. Older hands are quitting. And a huge demographic cohort hitting Secondary age.
De-professionalise the job is the way to solve it in this government's eyes. It succeeded in FE.
Plus. The Tories just adore Red Tape. As much as possible for other people. I expect we'll see volunteers in the classroom before too long.
What could possibly go wrong?0 -
ex-BBC man so obviously a communist.rottenborough said:
Tom LarkinJohnO said:Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.
@TomLarkinSky
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1h
In a statement on his personal website - https://stevebrine.com/news/statement-after-sue-gray-report-published.
Which actually went up on WEDNESDAY but seemingly entirely unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/TomLarkinSky1 -
One more subtle hint
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Not that far away, but grimmer.Leon said:
Ooh. Didn’t you say you were in Berlin?Theuniondivvie said:Picture quiz, where was I two days ago.
Sans souci?0 -
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We've had that. Do keep up.Leon said:One more subtle hint
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Congrats!Farooq said:
TblisiLeon said:Another hint
There’s a lot of UKRAINE flags
Plus you can see their insane script here
I’m not sure I’ve been to a more immediately appealing city
I mean, I’m sure there are horrible bits. And the traffic is heavy. And the centre is touristy. But it is extremely pretty and tumbledown yet chic and very cheap and there are excellent wine bars everywhere
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The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/0 -
And yet there is a recruitment and retention crisis. Perhaps pay isn't everything.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/1 -
63% of Conservative voters do not want Boris to resign, there is no guarantee a majority of Conservative MPs will think differently even if there is a VONC voteJonathan said:
Excellent. I hope that Tory MPs are starting to notice that in the post Boris world, it’s not going to be good to be one of those that did nothing.JohnO said:Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1529453755447627777?s=20&t=sY7sKq-V02zMMBPViMS30Q0 -
So what? If you want to attract experienced professionals to Physics teachers you need to pay more than 24k minus fees. Anyway, £40k is not a lot compared to what they have to do. Teachers are professionals equivalent to lawyers and doctors.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/1 -
I believe that you have to change to a bus at the Georgian border. Though direct trains are planned from Ankara.Farooq said:0 -
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glassFarooq said:
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year
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King Vakhtang I of Iberia, who it is claimed founded Tbilisi (and whose statue is just out of picture), had a son called Leon.BlancheLivermore said:
Leon was enfeoffed.0 -
You miss the point. If there is a new regime, there will want to be a clean break. Those MPs that stood up for standards will prosper, those that sat on their hands will be saying they didn’t like it, but….HYUFD said:
63% of Conservative voters do not want Boris to resign, there is no guarantee a majority of Conservative MPs will think differently even if there is a VONC voteJonathan said:
Excellent. I hope that Tory MPs are starting to notice that in the post Boris world, it’s not going to be good to be one of those that did nothing.JohnO said:Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1529453755447627777?s=20&t=sY7sKq-V02zMMBPViMS30Q0 -
The average lawyer and doctor went to a Russell Group university, the average state school teacher did not unless they teach in a top private school or grammar school or absolutely top comprehensive or academy or free school.Jonathan said:
So what? If you want to attract experienced professionals to Physics teachers you need to pay more than 24k minus fees. Anyway, £40k is not a lot compared to what they have to do. Teachers are professionals equivalent to lawyers and doctors.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/
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Loyal to the end followed by quick approval of new leaderHYUFD said:
63% of Conservative voters do not want Boris to resign, there is no guarantee a majority of Conservative MPs will think differently even if there is a VONC voteJonathan said:
Excellent. I hope that Tory MPs are starting to notice that in the post Boris world, it’s not going to be good to be one of those that did nothing.JohnO said:Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1529453755447627777?s=20&t=sY7sKq-V02zMMBPViMS30Q0 -
O/T
Looking at the 3 marginals of Dudley N, Bassetlaw and Ashfield that the Conservatives are supposed not to win, they all have rather specific circumstances which it would be impossible to adequately model in any general MRP poll.
i.e.
- In one the former MP told his supporters to vote Conservative
- In another the Brexit supporting former MP was nominated to the Lords by Theresa May sitting as an independent, while Corbyn's far left NEC contrived to deselect the new Labour candidate two weeks after the local party selected her
- In the third, Labour went from 1st to 3rd, the Ashfield Independents gaining 27%, and with the new Conservative MP having defected as a Labour councillor the year before and having been the office manager of the former Labour MP.
5 years on I don't think these factors would be anything like as potent and I would expect a larger swing back to be expected. As the MRP methodology won't have picked such unique circumstances up, all 3 seats could yet fall to Labour too.
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Citation? You don’t have to go to a Russell group university to be great.HYUFD said:
The average lawyer and doctor went to a Russell Group university, the average state school teacher did not unless they teach in a top private school or grammar school or absolutely top comprehensive or academy or free schoolJonathan said:
So what? If you want to attract experienced professionals to Physics teachers you need to pay more than 24k minus fees. Anyway, £40k is not a lot compared to what they have to do. Teachers are professionals equivalent to lawyers and doctors.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/
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Yet after the 2008 recession there was huge demand for teacher training posts, the best thing to increase demand for teaching is the economy crashes. That is always the case but not so good for the rest of usFoxy said:
And yet there is a recruitment and retention crisis. Perhaps pay isn't everything.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/0 -
I think that is too simplistic, and besides many many labour MPs do the same, such as Dianne Abbot.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Tories don't give a shit about state education because most of them don't use it. My solution is simple: no cabinet minister or senior civil servant can send their child to private school. You would be amazed at how quickly the situation would improve.dixiedean said:
It's a power grab at the curriculum. Simple.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
As I noted earlier. There's a huge shortage of teachers right now. Pay is not competitive. Older hands are quitting. And a huge demographic cohort hitting Secondary age.
De-professionalise the job is the way to solve it in this government's eyes. It succeeded in FE.
Plus. The Tories just adore Red Tape. As much as possible for other people. I expect we'll see volunteers in the classroom before too long.
What could possibly go wrong?
I’m mot up to speed on this story, but I have experience of pharmacy accreditation. Years ago my uni was almost refused accreditation despite its students performing superbly in the pre-reg exam (taken around a year after graduation, after work place training). The rationale was based on our course teaching style not being in the current fashion. So despite having some of the best outputs in the country, we were forced to change our degree, to fit in with the current orthodoxy of how a student pharmacist should learn.
We are in danger of seeing something similar to the teaching changes. Heath education England wants pharmacy students to spend as much as 40 weeks of their 4 year degree on placement. This will restrict the unis ability to teach some aspects of the course (science mainly) in order to inculcate nhs values and patient focussed learning.
I don’t know about teacher training, but for pharmacy we have systems that are not broken, but are being challenged, for no obvious gain.2 -
Ah. WannseeTheuniondivvie said:
Not that far away, but grimmer.Leon said:
Ooh. Didn’t you say you were in Berlin?Theuniondivvie said:Picture quiz, where was I two days ago.
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Oz update. We are a week in now and still only 78.4% counted.
3 seats in doubt. Labor still one short of a majority.
They are trailing in Deakin by 655 votes. And in Gilmore by 214. (That would be a rare Liberal gain).
The interesting one is McNamara, where it is all about who comes third. Labor leads on first preferences by nearly 2k. Very close for second. Greens ahead of Liberal by 396.
However. The distribution of 8k + minor Party preferences will decide the result. They are going approximately 48% to the Liberals, a third to Greens and 18% to Labor.
Which leaves it close to a three way tie, with the Liberals probably in front.
If Labor come third, the Greens win. In the first two and Labor wins through transfers and gets a majority.
The ironic outcome would be Liberals come third and deliver a Labor majority with their transfers.
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I think he is referring to the training bursary.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/0 -
It's all about the alignment of incentives. You give someone a personal stake in the thing they are managing, they will manage it better. The indifference of the average Tory politician towards state schools is plain to see. Gove is an obvious counterexample, and he sends his kids to state schools. I don't agree with everything he did as education secretary, but at least he obviously wanted it to improve.HYUFD said:
Actually the majority of Tory MPs now went to state school. However the Tories also believe in choice, including private educationOnlyLivingBoy said:
Tories don't give a shit about state education because most of them don't use it. My solution is simple: no cabinet minister or senior civil servant can send their child to private school. You would be amazed at how quickly the situation would improve.dixiedean said:
It's a power grab at the curriculum. Simple.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
As I noted earlier. There's a huge shortage of teachers right now. Pay is not competitive. Older hands are quitting. And a huge demographic cohort hitting Secondary age.
De-professionalise the job is the way to solve it in this government's eyes. It succeeded in FE.
Plus. The Tories just adore Red Tape. As much as possible for other people. I expect we'll see volunteers in the classroom before too long.
What could possibly go wrong?0 -
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than UkrainianLeon said:
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glassFarooq said:
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year4 -
Keep them comingJohnO said:Steve Brine (Winchester) has submitted his letter to Sir Graham.
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Maybe not o/t. Are there 54 of them, all spooked by that MRP poll?OldKingCole said:A somewhat belated Good Morning everyone.
Totally o/t but looks as though our blue-tit chicks are preparing to leave the nest-box.
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Blair’s 1997 pledge is incredibly out of date in places. 100,000 off NHS waiting lists a drop in ocean on current lists. Class sizes and young offenders and out of work under 25s as much an issues today as Immigration? whilst the money to pay mental health and care for burgeoning old is locked up needing a dementia tax to get it out. In situation like today vagueness would be more sensible? Inflation and interest rates as low as possible seems suitably vague for the 2025 election, promising not to increase tax will be dumb promise in next election.Foxy said:
The problem with the #edstone is the vagueness of the statements, with no SMART objectives. Contrast with the 1997 pledge card:Benpointer said:
... but maybe the pledges should not be set in stone, eh?Foxy said:
No, I think it will be Starmers work. Worthy, stodgy and longwinded, yet vague.kle4 said:
I like that. Virtually no one will read it and it may just be a rambling tome, but it could be a sign of trying to think harder about things.Scott_xP said:Excl: Keir Starmer is writing a book to set out his plans for a “renewed Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5b1dc8ee-ddef-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=a8f16201e863c26a2f203a159c909768
I won't believe a spad won't be the one who actually pulls it together though.
He needs to distill it down to pledge cards. Somewhere in a drawer I have a 1997 one signed and given to me by Prescott himself.0 -
England not Britain?Leon said:
Also, they are REALLY grateful for our help with Ukraine. There are probably more England flags than UkrainianLeon said:
Midnight plane from Athens. Arrived dawn. Am knackered but consoling myself with delicious cold Georgian wine at £2 a glassFarooq said:
It’s also absurdly easy to get in. Show your vax status - takes 30 seconds - no visa required. Nothing. You’re in. And you can stay for a year0 -
AFAIK until recently only Russell Group type unis offered medicine. Although, is Newcastle I the Group?HYUFD said:
The average lawyer and doctor went to a Russell Group university, the average state school teacher did not unless they teach in a top private school or grammar school or absolutely top comprehensive or academy or free school.Jonathan said:
So what? If you want to attract experienced professionals to Physics teachers you need to pay more than 24k minus fees. Anyway, £40k is not a lot compared to what they have to do. Teachers are professionals equivalent to lawyers and doctors.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/
Alternatively you could have performance related pay so the teachers who could the best exam results in the school get the most and bonuses and the teachers who get the worst results get a pay cut0 -
The top salary for an actual teacher is £42,000.turbotubbs said:
I think he is referring to the training bursary.HYUFD said:
The average full time equivalent salary for teachers is £40k, compared to the UK average salary of £31kJonathan said:
More so than usual? Teachers have always had a raw deal.ydoethur said:
There's plenty of Brownian, well, brown motion involved in teaching right now.Jonathan said:
I am always curious about teaching Physics, but stories of paperwork, low pay, cheap babysitting and riot control do tend to put you off sharing the wonders of Ohm’s law.ydoethur said:
Because although they are the most effective way of training teachers they're also expensive. So the government wants to replace them with on the job training in schools instead which is (a) considerably cheaper and (b) for all their bleatings, masks the fact that rather a lot of vacancies are proving difficult to fill at the moment.Alistair said:This looks like a case of Marxism Derangement Syndrome. Does anyone have any deeper insight as to why so many "outstanding" teacher training courses are failing the new accreditation scheme?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/28/government-pushing-universities-out-of-teacher-training-over-leftwing-politics-say-leaders
It's the same reason they're grading all schools designed to help those with really complex SEND as 4 so they get closed and the pupils transferred to mainstream schools.
Which is, to reduce it to its essentials, why I literally had to get a child off the roof yesterday afternoon.
The pay is criminally low compared to the impact, responsibility and qualifications required. 24k to teach Physics, doesn’t look quite so generous when you have to pay 9k fees.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/teachers-pay/
The average is dragged up by those with leadership pay, where you have quite a large number on over £100,000.1
