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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,160
    ydoethur said:


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
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    Boris Johnson believed & believes his conduct at these events fell within the rules. The police only disagree with his assessment re his birthday. Given the police agree with what he said, it's silly to pretend Boris was "obviously lying".

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1529158182907564034

    ===

    So, basically, the argument is that he had not a fucking clue what the laws he was signing off on meant in detail or how they impacted on the most basic of human interactions - like having a drink after work with mates.

    Literally, no idea what the rest of the country was doing thanks to his own legislation.

    So - he's a liar or he's the biggest idiot to ever sit in the cabinet room.

    I think that's a false dichotomy. I would go for 'the bastard's both.'
    Ah. Good point.



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
    I do hope that was said in a tone of sarcastic disapproval.

    I mean, surely nobody would support Johnson bombing Turkey to distract attention from his party woes?
    Why would he need to bomb Turkey, a NATO ally who would let fellow NATO ships through?
    Because it's Turkey that would shut the Bosphorus to warships!
    I assume Turkey is also included in the talks
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,477
    Panorama — actors' voices were used but I hope for civil servants' sake that those were not genuine head shots. People are recognisable even from behind if you already know them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,028
    edited May 2022
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
    I do hope that was said in a tone of sarcastic disapproval.

    I mean, surely nobody would support Johnson bombing Turkey to distract attention from his party woes?
    Why would he need to bomb Turkey, a NATO ally who would let fellow NATO ships through?
    Because it's Turkey that would shut the Bosphorus to warships!
    I assume Turkey is also included in the talks
    Here is their position of three months ago:

    https://news.usni.org/2022/02/28/turkey-closes-bosphorus-dardanelles-straits-to-warships

    I cannot see why they would change it.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,141
    Nothing new in the partygate programme .

    Of course the BBC hater Dorries might find something to moan about but it was a very fair look at things and wasn’t some Johnson attack job .

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,160
    nico679 said:

    Nothing new in the partygate programme .

    Of course the BBC hater Dorries might find something to moan about but it was a very fair look at things and wasn’t some Johnson attack job .

    Why was it parked on BBC2 ?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,459
    May 24, 2022 Primaries - Poll Closing Times

    Georgia Primary - 7.00 pm Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) = 12.00 midnight UK

    Alabama Primary - 7.00 pm Central Daylight Time (CDT) = 1.00 am UK

    Arkansas Primary - 7.30 pm CDT = 1.30 am UK

    Texas Runoff Primary - 7.00 PM CDT / 7.00 PM Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) = 1.00 am / 2.00 am UK
    > note that MDT is only El Paso & few other far west TX counties
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,028
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Oh and a venue to add to @Leon's excellent list: Piedmont in northern Italy. Absolutely glorious largely forgotten region with the most stunning scenery, superb food, beautiful towns, glorious coastline with beaches. And SUN.

    It's also easily drivable from southern Britain. Go down the east side of France through the Vosges and Jura, over the Alps. An incredible drive that is a million times better than the North Coast 500 without the traffic.

    There are places on that route that will make you weep with pleasure.

    A useful little piece of travel wisdom I have learned over the years.

    Anywhere that is REALLY famous for its skiing probably has glorious landscapes that are wonderful in summer yet full of cheap (skiing) accommodation that they give away for peanuts in the summer

    This is true of multiple places across Europe (but not Switzerland, which is demonically expensive always)
    Schladming is stunningly beautiful and very inexpensive in September/October. Just after the school holidays and just before the skiing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,411
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
    I do hope that was said in a tone of sarcastic disapproval.

    I mean, surely nobody would support Johnson bombing Turkey to distract attention from his party woes?
    Why would he need to bomb Turkey, a NATO ally who would let fellow NATO ships through?
    Because it's Turkey that would shut the Bosphorus to warships!
    I assume Turkey is also included in the talks
    Here is their position of three months ago:

    https://news.usni.org/2022/02/28/turkey-closes-bosphorus-dardanelles-straits-to-warships

    I cannot see why they would change it.
    Perhaps to allow the latest acquisitions of the Ukrainian Navy to reach their home port?

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,407
    edited May 2022
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Not cheap though.

    Cancale is the place I'm most fond of for oysters. Sit on the harbour wall, in the sun, and soak up the French atmosphere. C'est magnifique la.
    Cancale is great for buying a bucket of oysters and beasting through them chucking the shells over the harbour wall to join the pile.

    Dinard is great in high summer with lots of pretty people and a lovely beach to eat and drink around. Dinan for more civilised olde worlde feel.

    La Baule for south of France in north of France.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,083
    I remember many years ago stumbling upon Riquewihr and staying there the night before ambling across the Jura, through places like Besancon and Pontarlier, with the Alps growing on the horizon. Then tackling one of the Alpine passes: the Grand St Bernard I think before dropping into Italy.

    https://www.francethisway.com/places/riquewihr.php

    Oh my. Great times.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,304
    edited May 2022

    Is it worth my watching the Panorama thing a little later?

    I would say no. There is nothing we didn't know. Boris popped into some events, but the staffers were rat arsed ar every opportunity and now trying to say well he never said no.

    As i said was the case from the start, Boris clearly nod nod wink wink make sure you destress chaps. Then half the program has been about Boris background and Ukraine.
    But that’s the point in itself. Whilst Shapps and Daily Mail try to distract from the actual crime with how many minutes and seconds Boris was actually there, he made the law, looked at us eye to eye in the press conferences to observe it, but instigated or turned blind eye to downing street law breaking he should have stopped
    That has been my point from the start.
    It’s a great point. The whole world should believe you. It’s spot on. Not the seconds he was there, but the fact he didn’t say WOAH! What the riff are you doing. Not this week. I’ve locked the country down, we just have to wait like everyone else, especially this building, we need to lead by example - I, Boris, at least smart enough to know we are being watched, easily grassed up, and the utter disaster for me if we don’t lead by example at this time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356
    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Shocking inflation. Would have been a few thousand less last year...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,304

    nico679 said:

    Nothing new in the partygate programme .

    Of course the BBC hater Dorries might find something to moan about but it was a very fair look at things and wasn’t some Johnson attack job .

    Why was it parked on BBC2 ?
    Compromise secret phone call with Dorries, the government deny they instigated or put any pressure on. 😃
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993
    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,160
    So, I've watched first ten mins or so of Panorama doc and... hmm... it seems to me that this is partly an attempt by the BBC to make Laura K a 'personality'. The centre of the story and the key narrator. Lot of shots of her getting new info by email and asking questions on smartphones in the street.

    I am a cynic. But this seems to me to be partly about lining up ducks for her take over of Andrew Marr show in autumn.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Maybe I have a different standard of rainy days.
    I don't count, for example, the day when, looking at the forecast, we decided to skip our morning amiable trudge around the farm and get to Holywell Bay sharpish, getting there for 10 and giving us three hours in the surf, the weather fresh, white clouds scudding furiously across a blue sky; not warm, but warm enough to play in the sea and dig channels and fly a kite, before deciding at one we'd got away with enough and going for a massive pub lunch - where it warmed up enough to bask in a beer garden for an hour - before heading onto a playground with a massive multi-person trampoline, which the kids got ten minutes out of before the heavens opened. Absolutely torrential. I have never been so wet while clothed. But by that time it was almost three and we'd had a brilliant day. It rained solidly for another four hours, but an hour of that was getting back to the farm, an hour getting changed and dried, an hour making tea ... before improbably we got a lovely, sparkly fresh evening.
    Now there was probably two weeks worth of rain in that downpour. But I don't consider the day a washout, because we had an absolutely brilliant time outdoors, and the rain could be worked around. I'd happily take a week of days like that.

    And the distance - well, I remember @Seant telling me before we went for the first time back in 2016 that the distance was part of the fun of the place; you leave urban behind at Bristol and then there is Somerset, Devon, with brooding, Saturnine Dartmoor, then you cross the Tamar into another world and celebrate with a pint and a pasty. You may still have an hour and a half to go but the journey is part of the excitement of the trip.

    Properly excited for Saturday now. A 5am start, as is traditional...

    I think SeanT would be very pleased that he gave such apparently good advice

    Trouble is you write so eloquently you’ve made me quite homesick, even as i sit here on the starlit and beautiful Epirot coastline, i miss Blighty. I got nostalgic looking at the photos of the new Elizabeth Line, today

    It is a bittersweet thing, extended travel. Have a great time in Falmouth

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,160

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    Totally agree on last point, based on the first ten mins or so.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,250

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    Yeh even the Twitter clip seemed to be an extended montage of Laura close-ups.

    I swear I saw a flicker of amusement on her face, too, when it was suggested that drinks started at 4pm.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,083
    edited May 2022
    Anyway off to watch something.

    Really nice to be on here and discuss something other than politics. I should try it more often :wink:
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Maybe I have a different standard of rainy days.
    I don't count, for example, the day when, looking at the forecast, we decided to skip our morning amiable trudge around the farm and get to Holywell Bay sharpish, getting there for 10 and giving us three hours in the surf, the weather fresh, white clouds scudding furiously across a blue sky; not warm, but warm enough to play in the sea and dig channels and fly a kite, before deciding at one we'd got away with enough and going for a massive pub lunch - where it warmed up enough to bask in a beer garden for an hour - before heading onto a playground with a massive multi-person trampoline, which the kids got ten minutes out of before the heavens opened. Absolutely torrential. I have never been so wet while clothed. But by that time it was almost three and we'd had a brilliant day. It rained solidly for another four hours, but an hour of that was getting back to the farm, an hour getting changed and dried, an hour making tea ... before improbably we got a lovely, sparkly fresh evening.
    Now there was probably two weeks worth of rain in that downpour. But I don't consider the day a washout, because we had an absolutely brilliant time outdoors, and the rain could be worked around. I'd happily take a week of days like that.

    And the distance - well, I remember @Seant telling me before we went for the first time back in 2016 that the distance was part of the fun of the place; you leave urban behind at Bristol and then there is Somerset, Devon, with brooding, Saturnine Dartmoor, then you cross the Tamar into another world and celebrate with a pint and a pasty. You may still have an hour and a half to go but the journey is part of the excitement of the trip.

    Properly excited for Saturday now. A 5am start, as is traditional...
    Climate has changed markedly in the last 10-15 years. Devon fields are divided by banks = stone walls covered with earth, with trees on top. Till 15 years ago you planted or gapped up the top with small seedling trees in winter, it rained all summer, job done. That no longer applies, there's a summer long drought and 60%+ of them fail to establish.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,160
    Ha, ha.

    A journalist expresses surprise that 'wine time' starts at 4pm on a Friday. That is genuine LOL.

    The surprise is of course that it didn't start at 11am.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited May 2022

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    It wasn't even a Panorama program, there was no investigate journalism. It was just loads of Laura K runnign around doing taking phone calls and a load of boring interviews with politicial types saying Boris nice guy, bad guy, flawed, etc, and a couple of civil servants saying well yes we got trashed regularly because stressful job and the boss didn't stop us.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,477
    OT this from Australia might be interesting and relevant here (18 minutes)

    A Murdoch loss: Dissecting election media
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANeqEi0xcxw
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,239
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Maybe I have a different standard of rainy days.
    I don't count, for example, the day when, looking at the forecast, we decided to skip our morning amiable trudge around the farm and get to Holywell Bay sharpish, getting there for 10 and giving us three hours in the surf, the weather fresh, white clouds scudding furiously across a blue sky; not warm, but warm enough to play in the sea and dig channels and fly a kite, before deciding at one we'd got away with enough and going for a massive pub lunch - where it warmed up enough to bask in a beer garden for an hour - before heading onto a playground with a massive multi-person trampoline, which the kids got ten minutes out of before the heavens opened. Absolutely torrential. I have never been so wet while clothed. But by that time it was almost three and we'd had a brilliant day. It rained solidly for another four hours, but an hour of that was getting back to the farm, an hour getting changed and dried, an hour making tea ... before improbably we got a lovely, sparkly fresh evening.
    Now there was probably two weeks worth of rain in that downpour. But I don't consider the day a washout, because we had an absolutely brilliant time outdoors, and the rain could be worked around. I'd happily take a week of days like that.

    And the distance - well, I remember @Seant telling me before we went for the first time back in 2016 that the distance was part of the fun of the place; you leave urban behind at Bristol and then there is Somerset, Devon, with brooding, Saturnine Dartmoor, then you cross the Tamar into another world and celebrate with a pint and a pasty. You may still have an hour and a half to go but the journey is part of the excitement of the trip.

    Properly excited for Saturday now. A 5am start, as is traditional...
    Exactly this. As someone who has had a majority of his lifetime's holidays in the UK, I cannot think of a single week that was miserable because it was washed entirely out (the odd day when you ventured at the wrong time, yes). The UKs changeability means you might have 1-2 days where you favour indoor things, but full on 8-8 rain in the summer is a relative rarity and you get at least a few dry hours most days.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,028

    Ha, ha.

    A journalist expresses surprise that 'wine time' starts at 4pm on a Friday. That is genuine LOL.

    The surprise is of course that it didn't start at 11am.

    It looks more to me as though the surprising thing would be if it ever stopped.

    An awful lot of things suddenly made much more sense when I discovered our lords and masters were smashed during the pandemic.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,250
    Apropos of nothing, I just want to put in a word for the Landmark Trust. My wife and I love them, even though our friends think we’re mad.

    There’s nothing quite like it outside the UK, I think,
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993
    ...

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    It wasn't even a Panorama program, there was no investigate journalism. It was just loads of Laura K runnign around doing taking phone calls and a load of boring interviews with politicial types saying Boris nice guy, bad guy, flawed, etc, and a couple of civil servants saying well yes we got trashed regularly because stressful job and the boss didn't stop us.
    Yes, it reminded me of "Drop the Dead Donkey".
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,250
    I won’t bother seeing the Panorama thing.

    But two details stand out from the accompanying promos etc.

    1. Coming into the office the next morning to find bottles strewn everywhere and bins overflowing with left-overs.

    2. The fact that people who attempted to question whether it was at all wise to party during lockdown were mocked and ridiculed.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,362

    I won’t bother seeing the Panorama thing.

    But two details stand out from the accompanying promos etc.

    1. Coming into the office the next morning to find bottles strewn everywhere and bins overflowing with left-overs.

    2. The fact that people who attempted to question whether it was at all wise to party during lockdown were mocked and ridiculed.

    Point 2 was pretty grim.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,304
    All those newspapers who have been promising heatwave as just around the corner, at very least nice weather for the Jubilee weekend, should be taken into a court room to face a Black Cap.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/61572750
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited May 2022

    I won’t bother seeing the Panorama thing.

    But two details stand out from the accompanying promos etc.

    1. Coming into the office the next morning to find bottles strewn everywhere and bins overflowing with left-overs.

    2. The fact that people who attempted to question whether it was at all wise to party during lockdown were mocked and ridiculed.

    The staffers came off a lot worse in many respects than Boris. While he acted like a parent telling his kids its ok to a drink and a smoke underage with a couple of mates while they go out and have one for the road with them, the kids raided the offy and invited the whole school year around to have a massive party that got out of control and got into argument with the plod about the noise....then the of course Boris didn't bollox them, just said its ok the next weekend.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
    I don't think it was pro- Johnson and anti- Starmer. It was this ludicrous fear of partisanship that panics the BBC. The Tories have been very naughty and we have reported it. OMG we have to balance that out. Johnson was a little bit naughty on lots of occasions, but Starmer was very, very naughty at one event. Phew, balance!

    She was very gooey eyed about the Great Boris at the start, as was IDS later on.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Quite worrying that Boris has no idea about the laws he's passing tbh
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,652
    Damp squib. The problem was setting expectations too high.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,477

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
    I don't think it was pro- Johnson and anti- Starmer. It was this ludicrous fear of partisanship that panics the BBC. The Tories have been very naughty and we have reported it. OMG we have to balance that out. Johnson was a little bit naughty on lots of occasions, but Starmer was very, very naughty at one event. Phew, balance!

    She was very gooey eyed about the Great Boris at the start, as was IDS later on.
    IDS was surprisingly imo the best political interviewee, giving pluses and minuses with unhurried gravitas.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    edited May 2022
    @dw_politics
    JUST IN: Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder has been officially nominated for a seat on the supervisory board of the Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom.


    https://twitter.com/dw_politics/status/1529127380173959168

    Schröder claims he turned it down:

    https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-05/gerhard-schroeder-verzichtet-auf-nominierung-fuer-gazprom-aufsichtsrat
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993

    I won’t bother seeing the Panorama thing.

    But two details stand out from the accompanying promos etc.

    1. Coming into the office the next morning to find bottles strewn everywhere and bins overflowing with left-overs.

    2. The fact that people who attempted to question whether it was at all wise to party during lockdown were mocked and ridiculed.

    An hour of my life I won't get back. In the grand scheme of things I don't really think it forced home either of your two points. It was all rather meh. I learned nothing.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,477

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
    I don't think it was pro- Johnson and anti- Starmer. It was this ludicrous fear of partisanship that panics the BBC. The Tories have been very naughty and we have reported it. OMG we have to balance that out. Johnson was a little bit naughty on lots of occasions, but Starmer was very, very naughty at one event. Phew, balance!

    She was very gooey eyed about the Great Boris at the start, as was IDS later on.
    Trouble is that sequence matters, and 45 minutes of Boris and the Number 10 team was trumped at the end by Starmer in Durham. And that is what happened in real life as well.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    edited May 2022

    Apropos of nothing, I just want to put in a word for the Landmark Trust. My wife and I love them, even though our friends think we’re mad.

    There’s nothing quite like it outside the UK, I think,

    Very much so. I'm a member.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
    I don't think it was pro- Johnson and anti- Starmer. It was this ludicrous fear of partisanship that panics the BBC. The Tories have been very naughty and we have reported it. OMG we have to balance that out. Johnson was a little bit naughty on lots of occasions, but Starmer was very, very naughty at one event. Phew, balance!

    She was very gooey eyed about the Great Boris at the start, as was IDS later on.
    IDS was surprisingly imo the best political interviewee, giving pluses and minuses with unhurried gravitas.
    Laura:"Will Johnson go?" IDS " He shouldn't"
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,325

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    It wasn't even a Panorama program, there was no investigate journalism. It was just loads of Laura K runnign around doing taking phone calls and a load of boring interviews with politicial types saying Boris nice guy, bad guy, flawed, etc, and a couple of civil servants saying well yes we got trashed regularly because stressful job and the boss didn't stop us.
    it was a very enjoyable light catch up on a ridiculous history. I enjoyed best the anonymous contributor who emphasised, apparently without irony, the importance of 'transparency'.

    The stuff about Labour felt like a slightly misplaced filler; but if anything managed to convey, I think with justification, that the No 10 stuff was a systematic effort at trashing the rules by absurd self regarding elites, and Beergate was something of no importance.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,028

    @dw_politics
    JUST IN: Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder has been officially nominated for a seat on the supervisory board of the Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom.


    https://twitter.com/dw_politics/status/1529127380173959168

    Schröder claims he turned it down:

    https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-05/gerhard-schroeder-verzichtet-auf-nominierung-fuer-gazprom-aufsichtsrat

    Sir John Denham famously begged Charles I not to execute George Wither, 'for so long as Wither lived, Denham could not be accounted the worst poet in England.'

    Johnson must be similarly praying for the continued health of Gerhard Schröder.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993
    edited May 2022
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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,494
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Maybe I have a different standard of rainy days.
    I don't count, for example, the day when, looking at the forecast, we decided to skip our morning amiable trudge around the farm and get to Holywell Bay sharpish, getting there for 10 and giving us three hours in the surf, the weather fresh, white clouds scudding furiously across a blue sky; not warm, but warm enough to play in the sea and dig channels and fly a kite, before deciding at one we'd got away with enough and going for a massive pub lunch - where it warmed up enough to bask in a beer garden for an hour - before heading onto a playground with a massive multi-person trampoline, which the kids got ten minutes out of before the heavens opened. Absolutely torrential. I have never been so wet while clothed. But by that time it was almost three and we'd had a brilliant day. It rained solidly for another four hours, but an hour of that was getting back to the farm, an hour getting changed and dried, an hour making tea ... before improbably we got a lovely, sparkly fresh evening.
    Now there was probably two weeks worth of rain in that downpour. But I don't consider the day a washout, because we had an absolutely brilliant time outdoors, and the rain could be worked around. I'd happily take a week of days like that.

    And the distance - well, I remember @Seant telling me before we went for the first time back in 2016 that the distance was part of the fun of the place; you leave urban behind at Bristol and then there is Somerset, Devon, with brooding, Saturnine Dartmoor, then you cross the Tamar into another world and celebrate with a pint and a pasty. You may still have an hour and a half to go but the journey is part of the excitement of the trip.

    Properly excited for Saturday now. A 5am start, as is traditional...
    Thanks for the evocative description, Cookie. I've got to know Cornwall a bit as my very elderly uncle is in a care home in Hayle, near St Ives, and as it's a trek to visit him I've taken the chance to look round a bit. I like St Ives. which mixes scenery with tourism with actually being a place where you can imagine living, which I feel central Penzance gets wrong - it's felt like a tourist trap on a vertiginous hill. He used to live on the outskirts, which was nice enough, and of course the coastline is amazing.

    Hayle wins the prize for the most unwelcoming tea shop ever. I looked in and asked for a cuppa.

    Assistant: "We don't have tea."
    Me: "But you're a tea shop!"
    Assistant eyes me with silent indifference, as you might look at a seagull dropping.
    Me: "How about coffee, perhaps?"
    Assistant: "We don't have coffee." Pause. "The hot water's broken."
    Me: "Will it be repaired soon?
    Assistant: "Dunno. But there's cans of drink in the cabinet over there."

  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,571
    edited May 2022

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban declared a wartime state of emergency immediately after his new government was installed.

    The state of emergency, a new tool Parliament approved earlier on Tuesday, will take effect at midnight and will give the government “maneuvering room and the ability to react immediately” to the fallout from the war in neighboring Ukraine.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-24/hungary-s-orban-declares-state-of-emergency-over-war-economy

    So a "new tool" for that old tool Orban. As 45 and Boris look on enviously.
    Do you seriously believe that Boris is a would be dictator?
    Sorry Femi thinks so :smile:




  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,993

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
    I don't think it was pro- Johnson and anti- Starmer. It was this ludicrous fear of partisanship that panics the BBC. The Tories have been very naughty and we have reported it. OMG we have to balance that out. Johnson was a little bit naughty on lots of occasions, but Starmer was very, very naughty at one event. Phew, balance!

    She was very gooey eyed about the Great Boris at the start, as was IDS later on.
    Trouble is that sequence matters, and 45 minutes of Boris and the Number 10 team was trumped at the end by Starmer in Durham. And that is what happened in real life as well.
    Beergate could well be the bigger story as Johnson survives and Starmer falls.

    It shouldn't, but it might.
  • EmptyNesterEmptyNester Posts: 91

    ydoethur said:

    On the price cap nonsense:

    How does it actually work? Do they cap fuel costs, standing charges, or both together?

    Because I am being brutally hammered on the standing charge when I leave my fixed rate next month, and that's what's going to be painful for me.

    Sadly the standing charges are exempt from any control, price cap or otherwise. The most recent rise was due to the government recouping the money lost when all the other small companies went belly up last year. I think it also includes money for rental of equipment etc.

    The standing charges are capped at 45p for electricity and 27p for gas. My supplier has set both at just below the limit, presumably because it was difficult to make it exact when VAT is added. https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    Diane Abbott poses with "two heroines of the democratic struggle in the North of Ireland"

    https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1529155632284188674
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Boris Johnson is a fucking liar, he denied it at the time, but I knew he was lying.

    Revealed: government did encourage Premier League to approve Newcastle takeover

    Extensive efforts made to encourage Saudi-led buyout

    Prime minister has said government had no role at any point


    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/24/government-did-encourage-premier-league-to-approve-saudi-newcastle-takeover
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited May 2022
    MattW said:

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban declared a wartime state of emergency immediately after his new government was installed.

    The state of emergency, a new tool Parliament approved earlier on Tuesday, will take effect at midnight and will give the government “maneuvering room and the ability to react immediately” to the fallout from the war in neighboring Ukraine.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-24/hungary-s-orban-declares-state-of-emergency-over-war-economy

    So a "new tool" for that old tool Orban. As 45 and Boris look on enviously.
    Do you seriously believe that Boris is a would be dictator?
    Sorry Femi thinks so :smile:




    Wrong type of flags...he obviously be much happier with the EU one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972

    Diane Abbott poses with "two heroines of the democratic struggle in the North of Ireland"

    https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1529155632284188674

    She and Corbyn were always pro Sinn Fein and pro United Ireland
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited May 2022

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    York, he'll love The Shambles.

    Oh and Jorvik.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited May 2022

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Vikings and steam trains? No contest.....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    One of the strangest things about all this is the determination of Tory MPs to find excuses for a man who, even if you leave side all his character flaws, is simply rubbish at his job. https://thecritic.co.uk/shapps-is-shocked-shocked/ https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1529088904544100353/photo/1
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100
    Now the onus is on the management to come up with a fair compromise.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61573206
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,001
    geoffw said:

    Damp squib. The problem was setting expectations too high.

    Also- what's the threshold to make Johnson go?

    Bad stuff happened in No 10 on BoJo's watch.
    He... at the very least... hasn't been open and honest about what he knew.

    Any other Premier would have gone already.

    Given that, we (as a demos) have a problem. I think I sort of get why so many wanted him to stay... He is a rat, but doing necessary desirable things that needed rat-like cunning to achieve.

    But having waved through so much bad JuJu since 2019, it's hard to say "thus far, but no further". And reporting more of the same is inevitably a bit of a damp squib.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Vikings and steam trains? No contest.....
    York it has to be. I’ve been to both and as a fifty plus (age not size) I loved them.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    edited May 2022

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    He *really* loves staying in hotels, but thankfully he things Travellodge's are 'posh'. So it doesn't have to be too expensive...

    Edit: and another advantage to York: he can go back to where he ran a marathon in his mum's tum!

    (She did a marathon before she realised she was pregnant. In fact, the marathon made her wonder if she was, as she felt a little odd during it.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,028

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Maybe I have a different standard of rainy days.
    I don't count, for example, the day when, looking at the forecast, we decided to skip our morning amiable trudge around the farm and get to Holywell Bay sharpish, getting there for 10 and giving us three hours in the surf, the weather fresh, white clouds scudding furiously across a blue sky; not warm, but warm enough to play in the sea and dig channels and fly a kite, before deciding at one we'd got away with enough and going for a massive pub lunch - where it warmed up enough to bask in a beer garden for an hour - before heading onto a playground with a massive multi-person trampoline, which the kids got ten minutes out of before the heavens opened. Absolutely torrential. I have never been so wet while clothed. But by that time it was almost three and we'd had a brilliant day. It rained solidly for another four hours, but an hour of that was getting back to the farm, an hour getting changed and dried, an hour making tea ... before improbably we got a lovely, sparkly fresh evening.
    Now there was probably two weeks worth of rain in that downpour. But I don't consider the day a washout, because we had an absolutely brilliant time outdoors, and the rain could be worked around. I'd happily take a week of days like that.

    And the distance - well, I remember @Seant telling me before we went for the first time back in 2016 that the distance was part of the fun of the place; you leave urban behind at Bristol and then there is Somerset, Devon, with brooding, Saturnine Dartmoor, then you cross the Tamar into another world and celebrate with a pint and a pasty. You may still have an hour and a half to go but the journey is part of the excitement of the trip.

    Properly excited for Saturday now. A 5am start, as is traditional...
    Thanks for the evocative description, Cookie. I've got to know Cornwall a bit as my very elderly uncle is in a care home in Hayle, near St Ives, and as it's a trek to visit him I've taken the chance to look round a bit. I like St Ives. which mixes scenery with tourism with actually being a place where you can imagine living, which I feel central Penzance gets wrong - it's felt like a tourist trap on a vertiginous hill. He used to live on the outskirts, which was nice enough, and of course the coastline is amazing.

    Hayle wins the prize for the most unwelcoming tea shop ever. I looked in and asked for a cuppa.

    Assistant: "We don't have tea."
    Me: "But you're a tea shop!"
    Assistant eyes me with silent indifference, as you might look at a seagull dropping.
    Me: "How about coffee, perhaps?"
    Assistant: "We don't have coffee." Pause. "The hot water's broken."
    Me: "Will it be repaired soon?
    Assistant: "Dunno. But there's cans of drink in the cabinet over there."

    A minister in the making if she had drinks in the cabinet...
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,100

    Boris Johnson is a fucking liar, he denied it at the time, but I knew he was lying.

    Revealed: government did encourage Premier League to approve Newcastle takeover

    Extensive efforts made to encourage Saudi-led buyout

    Prime minister has said government had no role at any point


    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/24/government-did-encourage-premier-league-to-approve-saudi-newcastle-takeover

    That won’t lose him any votes north of the Tyne. He can forget the Sunderland seats now.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675

    I think I sort of get why so many wanted him to stay... He is a rat, but doing necessary desirable things that needed rat-like cunning to achieve.

    Yes, but as posted upthread, he's not.

    If you ignore how terrible a person he is, you can see just how shit he is at his job.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,678

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    Yes a weird non story.
    I assume it is an envy thing. If I could afford a helicopter I would choose it over using the roads.

    I get annoyed with rich people not knowing what to do with their wealth so waste it on diamond encrusted hub caps and the like rather than using their money for useful stuff, but I don't begrudge them buying a big house, boat, helicopter, etc or doing stuff that makes their life easier.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited May 2022

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    He *really* loves staying in hotels, but thankfully he things Travellodge's are 'posh'. So it doesn't have to be too expensive...
    I haven't been to Alton Towers for years, but it always struck me the rides were more aimed at older kids.

    I remember doing a ghost walk in York that was a lot of fun.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    There’s a cost of living crisis on, the energy price gap is expected to rise by £800 in October and gov wants to spend £250m on a yacht 🤔 https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1529190523336110080
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,299
    Taz said:

    Now the onus is on the management to come up with a fair compromise.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61573206

    I agree. 89% for strike action, 11% against, on a turnout of 71%, is pretty overwhelming. Even Boris would die for that result. Makes the political views of the union's leaders fairly irrelevant.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675

    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    Alton Towers are outsourcing their catering services in the next year. Not sure if that makes it better or worse.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,571
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    Yes a weird non story.
    I assume it is an envy thing. If I could afford a helicopter I would choose it over using the roads.

    I get annoyed with rich people not knowing what to do with their wealth so waste it on diamond encrusted hub caps and the like rather than using their money for useful stuff, but I don't begrudge them buying a big house, boat, helicopter, etc or doing stuff that makes their life easier.
    Isn't that just the Mirror chiselling away at their 'out of touch rich bastard Tories' narrative?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,253
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    Yes a weird non story.
    I assume it is an envy thing. If I could afford a helicopter I would choose it over using the roads.

    I get annoyed with rich people not knowing what to do with their wealth so waste it on diamond encrusted hub caps and the like rather than using their money for useful stuff, but I don't begrudge them buying a big house, boat, helicopter, etc or doing stuff that makes their life easier.
    I have made over 700 helicopter flights in my career including one emergency ditching in the Mediterranean and another emergency landing on a platform in Norway. They are noisy, cramped and very uncomfortable and I can safely say that if I never got on another chopper in my life it would not bother me at all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,028

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    Or does he like ghost walks? There are some great ones in York.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    ydoethur said:

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    Or does he like ghost walks? There are some great ones in York.
    Great minds....
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    He *really* loves staying in hotels, but thankfully he things Travellodge's are 'posh'. So it doesn't have to be too expensive...
    I haven't been to Alton Towers for years, but it always struck me the rides were more aimed at older kids.

    I remember doing a ghost walk in York that was a lot of fun.
    A key thing to consider about Alton Towers is his height - how much would he actually be able to go on?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,006
    Scott_xP said:

    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    Alton Towers are outsourcing their catering services in the next year. Not sure if that makes it better or worse.
    Alton Towers is a fantastic theme park. Oblivion and Nemesis are still great after 20 years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,571

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    York, he'll love The Shambles.

    Oh and Jorvik.
    Aren't you into trains?

    National Railway Museum? There are also things like day trips on a steam train form there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited May 2022

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    Yes a weird non story.
    I assume it is an envy thing. If I could afford a helicopter I would choose it over using the roads.

    I get annoyed with rich people not knowing what to do with their wealth so waste it on diamond encrusted hub caps and the like rather than using their money for useful stuff, but I don't begrudge them buying a big house, boat, helicopter, etc or doing stuff that makes their life easier.
    I have made over 700 helicopter flights in my career including one emergency ditching in the Mediterranean and another emergency landing on a platform in Norway. They are noisy, cramped and very uncomfortable and I can safely say that if I never got on another chopper in my life it would not bother me at all.
    I've flown on a helicopter twice, last time in 2005.

    Pilot was wonderfully honest.

    'These things aren't like planes, something goes wrong, and you're fucked.'

    Not been keen on using helicopters since.
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    edited May 2022

    Diane Abbott poses with "two heroines of the democratic struggle in the North of Ireland"

    https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1529155632284188674

    I detest Corbyn and his acolytes with avengeance. Nonetheless, I am not quite on the same page with you on this point. SF are the biggest single democratically elected party in both the North and the South. If Ian Paisley Senior could work with genuine terrorist McGuinness, what's your problem?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,216
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    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Had a couple of holidays there as a kid and loved it - and remember it as an unusually warm and sunny place.
    First time we took the car down on the old Motorail service, which seemed an impossibly sophisticated idea - second time the traffic driving down those single carriageway roads was an ordeal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited May 2022
    BBC News - FBI foiled terror plot to kill George W Bush

    The suspect, a resident of Ohio, allegedly sought to have Iraqi operatives smuggled into the US from Mexico for the operation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61569650
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    MattW said:

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    York, he'll love The Shambles.

    Oh and Jorvik.
    Aren't you into trains?

    National Railway Museum? There are also things like day trips on a steam train form there.
    I use(d) trains a lot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,356

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    He *really* loves staying in hotels, but thankfully he things Travellodge's are 'posh'. So it doesn't have to be too expensive...

    Edit: and another advantage to York: he can go back to where he ran a marathon in his mum's tum!

    (She did a marathon before she realised she was pregnant. In fact, the marathon made her wonder if she was, as she felt a little odd during it.)
    Yorvik, National Rail Museum, Bettys Tea Rooms. Its a no brainer vs the synthetic fun of a theme park surely.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,571

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    Well I think the obvious question is does your son really like rollercoasters? And happy to stand in big long lines? Or not really that fussed and hating queuing?
    He loves Gullivers Land, but he's getting a bit old for some of it. But I fear he's a bit too young for most of AT, and it might be better next year.

    He *really* loves staying in hotels, but thankfully he things Travellodge's are 'posh'. So it doesn't have to be too expensive...

    Edit: and another advantage to York: he can go back to where he ran a marathon in his mum's tum!

    (She did a marathon before she realised she was pregnant. In fact, the marathon made her wonder if she was, as she felt a little odd during it.)
    If you ever take him to Lunnon, stay in the Hilton where you cross the Thames in a private ferry.

    (Or did last time I looked)
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,678

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    Yes a weird non story.
    I assume it is an envy thing. If I could afford a helicopter I would choose it over using the roads.

    I get annoyed with rich people not knowing what to do with their wealth so waste it on diamond encrusted hub caps and the like rather than using their money for useful stuff, but I don't begrudge them buying a big house, boat, helicopter, etc or doing stuff that makes their life easier.
    I have made over 700 helicopter flights in my career including one emergency ditching in the Mediterranean and another emergency landing on a platform in Norway. They are noisy, cramped and very uncomfortable and I can safely say that if I never got on another chopper in my life it would not bother me at all.
    I guess you can have too much of a good thing!

    I'm the same with hotels. Having spent so many years visiting 4* and 5* hotels for work that all look the same, when I go on holiday I want a nice pub or B&B and on my cycling trips we found some crackers. My wife on the other hand wants the posh city hotel because she hasn't spent a good part of her life in them.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,675
    🔴 NEW: Railway workers have voted overwhelmingly to strike in a bitter dispute over jobs, pay and conditions, threatening massive disruption to the network in the coming weeks https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/24/rail-workers-vote-overwhelmingly-national-strike/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653423589-2
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited May 2022
    MattW said:

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    York, he'll love The Shambles.

    Oh and Jorvik.
    Aren't you into trains?

    National Railway Museum? There are also things like day trips on a steam train form there.
    I'm seriously into trains :)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Scott_xP said:

    🔴 NEW: Railway workers have voted overwhelmingly to strike in a bitter dispute over jobs, pay and conditions, threatening massive disruption to the network in the coming weeks https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/24/rail-workers-vote-overwhelmingly-national-strike/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653423589-2

    Get out of jail card for Boris if he survives the next week
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    New thread
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,833

    Laura seems to think Starmer and Rayner are guiltier than Boris. Her analysis of Beergate was very damning.

    This programme was more about Laura than Partygate. Typical Panorama rubbish.

    BBC Tory Bias :lol:

    Broadcasting Biased to the Conservatives :lol:

    :lol:
    I don't think it was pro- Johnson and anti- Starmer. It was this ludicrous fear of partisanship that panics the BBC. The Tories have been very naughty and we have reported it. OMG we have to balance that out. Johnson was a little bit naughty on lots of occasions, but Starmer was very, very naughty at one event. Phew, balance!

    She was very gooey eyed about the Great Boris at the start, as was IDS later on.
    Trouble is that sequence matters, and 45 minutes of Boris and the Number 10 team was trumped at the end by Starmer in Durham. And that is what happened in real life as well.
    Beergate could well be the bigger story as Johnson survives and Starmer falls.

    It shouldn't, but it might.
    I could see why the BBC had to include the Beer in Durham section, for balance purposes, though I thought the programme had difficulty trying to equalise them. The drunken parties at No 10 sounded like Sodam and Gamorrah almost, whereas the Durham labour meeting sounded so boring and methodist. Her and the Daily Heil may have succeeded though in tarring all politicians with the same brush!
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    Scott_xP said:

    🔴 NEW: Railway workers have voted overwhelmingly to strike in a bitter dispute over jobs, pay and conditions, threatening massive disruption to the network in the coming weeks https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/24/rail-workers-vote-overwhelmingly-national-strike/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653423589-2

    Time to cancel HS2
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,571

    MattW said:

    So: choice time. Should I take my son (8 years old) to Alton Towers for two days or York for three?

    He's never been to either, but I've been to both many times.

    York, he'll love The Shambles.

    Oh and Jorvik.
    Aren't you into trains?

    National Railway Museum? There are also things like day trips on a steam train form there.
    I use(d) trains a lot.
    I meant him :-).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    Thanks for the replies everyone - looks like it's York then. :)
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