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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pensfold said:

    Heathener said:

    Just discovered that Panorama is on BBC2 at 7pm.

    Good job I checked. I thought it was 9pm.

    far be it from me to advise TV schedulers but who the hell watches serious political programmes at 7pm - 9pm is the right time with a stiff drink but 7pm is fun after work time
    The Panorama programme would only be worth watching if it had the inside story about the police investigation - which is the definitive version of events.
    Why should the police version be definitive? Surely a first hand "Let me tell you all about it" discursus from an eyewitness, would beat a few responses to a plod questionnaire?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,627

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban declared a wartime state of emergency immediately after his new government was installed.

    The state of emergency, a new tool Parliament approved earlier on Tuesday, will take effect at midnight and will give the government “maneuvering room and the ability to react immediately” to the fallout from the war in neighboring Ukraine.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-24/hungary-s-orban-declares-state-of-emergency-over-war-economy

    So a "new tool" for that old tool Orban. As 45 and Boris look on enviously.
    Do you seriously believe that Boris is a would be dictator?
    Your Prime Minister is the kind that takes what he can grab . . . then looks to grab some more.

    So impossible to say where his current trajectory re: lawbreaking & etc. could lead. Except that HE is unlikely to be his own governor in this respect.
    Can you give an example of him accruing personal power that doesn't have a precedent among previous PMs?
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach
    Bodmin Moor. Have you been up Brown Willy?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pensfold said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach
    Bodmin Moor. Have you been up Brown Willy?
    Au contraire...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather


    THAT bit of Cornwall is absolutely unique, imperious, quasi-Satanic and majestic. World class. The walk to Land’s End from the Minack, Nanjizel, Nanquidno, then the drama of Cape Cornwall and Botallack, oof, then Zennor

    Glorious even in the drizzle - but much better in the sun. Not for ten year olds tho. Let alone 5 year olds, or bored teens
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191

    theakes said:

    This is so silly. One mans arrogance and narcistic personality have created it. Any one else would, should or been made to go in November, December 2021. Thisa would have been forgotten after Christmas, instead ............
    How can anyone support suich a man?

    @penfold?
    How not Who.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    theakes said:

    This is so silly. One mans arrogance and narcistic personality have created it. Any one else would, should or been made to go in November, December 2021. Thisa would have been forgotten after Christmas, instead ............
    How can anyone support suich a man?

    Because of the alternative
    The old "we need to keep this shit because everyone else is more shit" approach, eh?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Primaries today in Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia - Plus runoffs in Texas

    > Alabama Republican US Senate > will congressman Mo Brooks, picked then dumped by 45, survive to win GOP nomination for seat being vacated by Sen. Richard Shelby (who is backing his former aide instead); winner of the nomination almost certain to be elected in November.

    > Arkansas Republican Governor > will 45's (in)famous former press secretary Sarah Sanders win GOP nomination, and go on to capture the governor's office once held by her father, Mike Huckabee? Also well-finance primary challenge to sitting GOP Sen. John Boozman (an improbable surname even for Arkansas).

    > Georgia Republican Governor > polling and conventional wisdom has incumbent Brian Kemp more than surviving the Wrath of Trump, indeed, beating 45's hand-picked agent of vengeance, former US Sen. David Perdue, who by all accounts has run a seriously lackluster campaign he should never have undertaken.

    More maybe on some other races in Peach State plus Texas runoffs, but duty calls!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather


    THAT bit of Cornwall is absolutely unique, imperious, quasi-Satanic and majestic. World class. The walk to Land’s End from the Minack, Nanjizel, Nanquidno, then the drama of Cape Cornwall and Botallack, oof, then Zennor

    Glorious even in the drizzle - but much better in the sun. Not for ten year olds tho. Let alone 5 year olds, or bored teens
    I agree there. Pembrokeshire has many more theme parks and kid friendly things, as well as the scenery and history for the more discerning.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather

    Are they preparing for human sacrifice? Nice day for it indeed!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928

    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather

    Are they preparing for human sacrifice? Nice day for it indeed!
    Got any better ideas for reducing inflation?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    @FrancisUrquhart

    'How about make parasitical lawyers pay more tax.'


    Oi, wotchit you.

    My daughter's a parasitical lawyer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited May 2022
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    I am Cornish, and it is nice to hear these sentiments, and I am proud of my homeland, my Granite Kingdom. And my family goes back Cornish - proper Cornish - for 700 years at least - you should see the names in my family tree. Trezise, Skewes, Moyle, Polglaze, gottem all

    And yes there is a change in the air when you cross the Tamar. I remember it from childhood holidays when we would drive down from Herefordshire -with my Cornish parents yearning for home (it seemed to take DAYS) and finally we’d cross into Cornwall and suddenly everything was poorer but prettier and certainly more poetic. My Mum and Dad would start singing And Shall Trelawny Die in the car and me and my sister would tell them to shut up. I am glad it is part of the magical pageant that is Britain

    Still wouldn’t take a family there for summer hols tho
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    edited May 2022

    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather

    Are they preparing for human sacrifice? Nice day for it indeed!
    Looks like a good party, but they may just be working late.

    Perhaps Sue Gray can tell us.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather

    Are they preparing for human sacrifice? Nice day for it indeed!
    That's Show of Hands, outstanding folk rock band. Was very slightly disappointed cos thought the support was Seth Lakeman, turned out to be Geoff Lakeman (his dad)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    I am Cornish, and it is nice to hear these sentiments, and I am proud of my homeland, my Granite Kingdom. And my family goes back Cornish - proper Cornish - for 700 years at least - you should see the names in my family tree. Trezise, Skewes, Moyle, Polglaze, gottem all

    And yes there is a change in the air when you cross the Tamar. I remember it from childhood holidays when we would drive down from Herefordshire -with my Cornish parents yearning for home (it seemed to take DAYS) and finally we’d cross into Cornwall and suddenly everything was poorer but prettier and certainly more poetic. My Mum and Dad would start singing And Shall Trelawny Die in the car and me and my sister would tell them to shut up. I am glad it is part of the magical pageant that is Britain

    Still wouldn’t take a family there for summer hols tho
    No, you took them to Wick instead
    Cornishman's revenge?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    I am Cornish, and it is nice to hear these sentiments, and I am proud of my homeland, my Granite Kingdom. And my family goes back Cornish - proper Cornish - for 700 years at least - you should see the names in my family tree. Trezise, Skewes, Moyle, Polglaze, gottem all

    And yes there is a change in the air when you cross the Tamar. I remember it from childhood holidays when we would drive down from Herefordshire -with my Cornish parents yearning for home (it seemed to take DAYS) and finally we’d cross into Cornwall and suddenly everything was poorer but prettier and certainly more poetic. My Mum and Dad would start singing And Shall Trelawny Die in the car and me and my sister would tell them to shut up. I am glad it is part of the magical pageant that is Britain

    Still wouldn’t take a family there for summer hols tho
    No, you took them to Wick instead
    And she LOVED it. Not Wick, but far north Scotland

    It is another magical bit of the wonderful island of Britain. Even if we have shite weather
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,297
    Have topped up on Boris surviving 2022. Partly I'm confident, partly I'd be happy for him to go.

    Reckon I've gone a bit early though, I'd imagine Wed/Thurs might be the peak before nothing happens and his price drifts again next week.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather

    Are they preparing for human sacrifice? Nice day for it indeed!
    Can't see Johnson anywhere, so if they are they've chosen the wrong victim.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Minack in nice weather

    Are they preparing for human sacrifice? Nice day for it indeed!
    Got any better ideas for reducing inflation?
    All for deflating inflation. But NOT at cost of increasing the global carbon "foot"print!

    On the other hand IF you're proposing a seaside Soylent Green processing / inflation reduction facility . . .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    On the price cap nonsense:

    How does it actually work? Do they cap fuel costs, standing charges, or both together?

    Because I am being brutally hammered on the standing charge when I leave my fixed rate next month, and that's what's going to be painful for me.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Panorama Now
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,793
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    ydoethur said:

    On the price cap nonsense:

    How does it actually work? Do they cap fuel costs, standing charges, or both together?

    Because I am being brutally hammered on the standing charge when I leave my fixed rate next month, and that's what's going to be painful for me.

    Sadly the standing charges are exempt from any control, price cap or otherwise. The most recent rise was due to the government recouping the money lost when all the other small companies went belly up last year. I think it also includes money for rental of equipment etc.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,503
    edited May 2022
    *Australian Election polling update

    What we considered the rouge poll in the final batch, resolves Lib 34 Lab 31, their lowest % for ages trailing by 3 looks to have been the most accurate.

    Spring sprung up for a rare visit to give me some about my negativity for Labor in the final week of the campaign - unless Spring was sure Labor would finish up 3 percentage point behind on 33 to Lib 36 in first preference, then I feel exonerated. Labor lost this election on 1pp despite not trailing on 1pp polling graph for nearly 2 years. Labor haven’t gained many seats at all in this election, it currently shows as net +8.

    To put that +8 into context, I understand the teal independents, who gained around 7, are centrists type greens who have done well in liberal seats. If I am right, the liberals have two front to fight to win power back, to take teal seats and Labor seats, in political betting terms a lab > Lib swing may not be enough with no teal > Lib swing. In other words, to sum up as Australians would, those teals could be a right bugger for liberal election comeback.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,582

    Scott_xP said:
    Yes, Sam Coates looks like an incredible tw@t doing that.
    Johnson Fanbois lining up with likes there....
    And blithering Johnson haters arguing Coates looks untwatlike. And making themselves twats in the process.
    Bellowing gotcha questions is stupid. But demonstrates that all of the news organisations can smell the blood and are after their own kill. Its not called the press "pack" for nothing, they will savage anyone they catch.

    Anyway, I did enjoy the "did you deliberately lie" question thrown at Simon Clarke. Because I assume he was briefed by the No10 Press Office. Who knew the truth about what he was told to lie about. Because they were there and confessed so by lunchtime.

    So ok, bellowed isn't great. But a valid question asked.
    It isn't an 'asked' question. The targets probably cannot even hear it well - remember, his mic is next to him, and they're at the other side of the street, concentrating on other things - namely non-cretins shouting inanities at them from twenty metres away.

    Coates was being a cretin.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited May 2022
    Farooq said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    If you think about it, that's a good thing
    It’s true that Cornwall wouldn’t be Cornwall if it were closer.

    I am venting because some very good friends of mine are obsessed with it and go three or four times a year, rain or shine. As a result they pretty much never go anywhere else, even though it is a demonstrable faff with kids.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    Wait a second.. harassment!? Did someone touch you in the Mousehole?
    Or straight out invite you to Feock?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,503
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    Have you ever been there? 😆
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Farooq said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    Wait a second.. harassment!? Did someone touch you in the Mousehole?
    Worse. I had a tangle with Westward Ho, and someone tickled my Tintagel.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited May 2022

    *Australian Election polling update

    What we considered the rouge poll in the final batch, resolves Lib 34 Lab 31, their lowest % for ages trailing by 3 looks to have been the most accurate.

    Spring sprung up for a rare visit to give me some about my negativity for Labor in the final week of the campaign - unless Spring was sure Labor would finish up 3 percentage point behind on 33 to Lib 36 in first preference, then I feel exonerated. Labor lost this election on 1pp despite not trailing on 1pp polling graph for nearly 2 years. Labor haven’t gained many seats at all in this election, it currently shows as net +8.

    To put that +8 into context, I understand the teal independents, who gained around 7, are centrists type greens who have done well in liberal seats. If I am right, the liberals have two front to fight to win power back, to take teal seats and Labor seats, in political betting terms a lab > Lib swing may not be enough with no teal > Lib swing. In other words, to sum up as Australians would, those teals could be a right bugger for liberal election comeback.

    Indeed. And the Independents won't have a record in government to defend. They can literally put forward any popular policy they like.
    And different ones tailored to their electorates. They're going to be a bastard to shift. They'll pick up the vast majority of transfers too.
    Especially if the Libs double down on climate denial.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,249

    Farooq said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    If you think about it, that's a good thing
    It’s true that Cornwall wouldn’t be Cornwall if it were closer.

    I am venting because some very good friends of mine are obsessed with it and go three or four times a year, rain or shine. As a result they pretty much never go anywhere else, even though it is a demonstrable faff with kids.
    It’s easier than the Hamptons or Vermont
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    The other thing is that Cornwall is a LOT like New Zealand, but much smaller and pokier.

    I miss the vastness, you don’t get that in Cornwall, although you do in Brittany I think.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    *Australian Election polling update

    What we considered the rouge poll in the final batch, resolves Lib 34 Lab 31, their lowest % for ages trailing by 3 looks to have been the most accurate.

    Spring sprung up for a rare visit to give me some about my negativity for Labor in the final week of the campaign - unless Spring was sure Labor would finish up 3 percentage point behind on 33 to Lib 36 in first preference, then I feel exonerated. Labor lost this election on 1pp despite not trailing on 1pp polling graph for nearly 2 years. Labor haven’t gained many seats at all in this election, it currently shows as net +8.

    To put that +8 into context, I understand the teal independents, who gained around 7, are centrists type greens who have done well in liberal seats. If I am right, the liberals have two front to fight to win power back, to take teal seats and Labor seats, in political betting terms a lab > Lib swing may not be enough with no teal > Lib swing. In other words, to sum up as Australians would, those teals could be a right bugger for liberal election comeback.

    Teal independents themselves are upscale liberal women who kicked back against the blokey, Evangelical turn of the Liberal Party, and many are from a Liberal Party background themselves. Their voters may well be open to climate change policies, largely because high-cost fuel would take a smaller chunk out of their disposable income than low-average income folks, but the causes of the teal independents are heavily overdetermined.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban declared a wartime state of emergency immediately after his new government was installed.

    The state of emergency, a new tool Parliament approved earlier on Tuesday, will take effect at midnight and will give the government “maneuvering room and the ability to react immediately” to the fallout from the war in neighboring Ukraine.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-24/hungary-s-orban-declares-state-of-emergency-over-war-economy

    So a "new tool" for that old tool Orban. As 45 and Boris look on enviously.
    Do you seriously believe that Boris is a would be dictator?
    Your Prime Minister is the kind that takes what he can grab . . . then looks to grab some more.

    So impossible to say where his current trajectory re: lawbreaking & etc. could lead. Except that HE is unlikely to be his own governor in this respect.
    Can you give an example of him accruing personal power that doesn't have a precedent among previous PMs?
    Luxury wallpapering of personal quarters in return for influence peddled? Though can think of some prior pretty-close examples, such as Cherie Blair & her Bristol house-hunting or whatever it was. Think you'd still have to go back to the Regency or thereabouts to equal BJ among PMs on this front.

    However, your question is a very good one, and deserves more thought than above. Fact is, I've distrusted his political ethics & style for a LONG time, and he's yet to disappoint my negative perceptions. Or ceased to be amazed by his incredible (in more ways than one) public persona, communication and political manipulation skills.

    Though I do like his dog. AND that he led in the West for the defense of Ukraine from Putin's latest invasion.

    And will try to work up more examples of what I mean re: Johnson's tendency toward Lord Acton's trajectory.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,249

    Farooq said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    Wait a second.. harassment!? Did someone touch you in the Mousehole?
    Worse. I had a tangle with Westward Ho, and someone tickled my Tintagel.
    Le Mont San Michel?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Farooq said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    If you think about it, that's a good thing
    It’s true that Cornwall wouldn’t be Cornwall if it were closer.

    I am venting because some very good friends of mine are obsessed with it and go three or four times a year, rain or shine. As a result they pretty much never go anywhere else, even though it is a demonstrable faff with kids.
    It’s easier than the Hamptons or Vermont
    I have never been to the Hamptons. I’m not especially minded to go. We’re going upstate this weekend, and will be in Maine in summer.

    I do like New England.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    Better with North Norfolk from that bit of the country. Burnham or Holkolm.

    The "Far East" as it is known in my city.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    The other thing is that Cornwall is a LOT like New Zealand, but much smaller and pokier.

    I miss the vastness, you don’t get that in Cornwall, although you do in Brittany I think.

    Having been to both, I cannot see the resemblance. Malborough sounds are more like Scotland in perfect weather.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited May 2022
    This Panorama is all over the place.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    EPG said:

    *Australian Election polling update

    What we considered the rouge poll in the final batch, resolves Lib 34 Lab 31, their lowest % for ages trailing by 3 looks to have been the most accurate.

    Spring sprung up for a rare visit to give me some about my negativity for Labor in the final week of the campaign - unless Spring was sure Labor would finish up 3 percentage point behind on 33 to Lib 36 in first preference, then I feel exonerated. Labor lost this election on 1pp despite not trailing on 1pp polling graph for nearly 2 years. Labor haven’t gained many seats at all in this election, it currently shows as net +8.

    To put that +8 into context, I understand the teal independents, who gained around 7, are centrists type greens who have done well in liberal seats. If I am right, the liberals have two front to fight to win power back, to take teal seats and Labor seats, in political betting terms a lab > Lib swing may not be enough with no teal > Lib swing. In other words, to sum up as Australians would, those teals could be a right bugger for liberal election comeback.

    Teal independents themselves are upscale liberal women who kicked back against the blokey, Evangelical turn of the Liberal Party, and many are from a Liberal Party background themselves. Their voters may well be open to climate change policies, largely because high-cost fuel would take a smaller chunk out of their disposable income than low-average income folks, but the causes of the teal independents are heavily overdetermined.
    Climate 2000 sponsored 20 House of Reps candidates, 10 winning election, six by beating Liberals including former Treasurer - a OZ version of Profumo '97 because it knocks him out of running to be next Leader of the Liberal Part & the Coalition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_200
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    I live in Dorset, and it's bloody far from here too.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Foxy said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    Better with North Norfolk from that bit of the country. Burnham or Holkolm.

    The "Far East" as it is known in my city.
    Suffolk is nice.
    The Weald has deep, mysterious pockets still.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Foxy said:

    The other thing is that Cornwall is a LOT like New Zealand, but much smaller and pokier.

    I miss the vastness, you don’t get that in Cornwall, although you do in Brittany I think.

    Having been to both, I cannot see the resemblance. Malborough sounds are more like Scotland in perfect weather.
    Similar climate.
    NZ is like Scotland, Cornwall and parts of Italy.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Applicant said:

    The problem with Cornwall is that it’s so bloody far from London. Epecially if (coming from East London), you’ve got to get around or through the metropolis first.

    It’s not worth the harassment.

    It’s quicker, cheaper and sunnier to get to the Costa Brava, and the food is better too.

    I live in Dorset, and it's bloody far from here too.
    I stayed in a cottage in Cornwall one summer and in the cottage next door were a family from Wiltshire which I thought rather unadventurous of them.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Will be amusing to see how they rebrand the return of £20 UC uplift and a windfall tax as Tory ideas, but not as amusing as seeing the pb regs flip flop to support the policies they have said are nonsensical and unaffordable for the last few months.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    A friend rang me up this morning to rant about it and the various strategies she is employing to cut back.

    It’s quite scary. The quality of life for most people is in decline.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited May 2022

    *Australian Election polling update

    What we considered the rouge poll in the final batch, resolves Lib 34 Lab 31, their lowest % for ages trailing by 3 looks to have been the most accurate.

    Spring sprung up for a rare visit to give me some about my negativity for Labor in the final week of the campaign - unless Spring was sure Labor would finish up 3 percentage point behind on 33 to Lib 36 in first preference, then I feel exonerated. Labor lost this election on 1pp despite not trailing on 1pp polling graph for nearly 2 years. Labor haven’t gained many seats at all in this election, it currently shows as net +8.

    To put that +8 into context, I understand the teal independents, who gained around 7, are centrists type greens who have done well in liberal seats. If I am right, the liberals have two front to fight to win power back, to take teal seats and Labor seats, in political betting terms a lab > Lib swing may not be enough with no teal > Lib swing. In other words, to sum up as Australians would, those teals could be a right bugger for liberal election comeback.

    Depends, in 2013 the ultra conservative populist Tony Abbott won the election with 90 seats. So even if his protégé, the equally right-wing Peter Dutton, as is almost certain now becomes Liberal leader he could win 83 seats and the next general election even if he wins back not a single affluent urban seat lost to the Teal Independents provided he won all the suburban, rural and small town seats Abbott won. As you say that task is not impossible, Labor actually gained barely more new seats at the election than the Independents did.

    In any case going back to a moderate, centrist, fiscally conservative, pro slash emissions and socially liberal ticket as Malcolm Turnbull ran on in 2016 when he was Liberal leader is not on offer as the Crown Prince heir apparent of the moderate Liberal Turnbull wing, Josh Frydenberg, himself lost his seat to an Independent
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    This Panorama is all over the place.

    No mention of Churchill replacing Chamberlain at the height of WW2.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Will be amusing to see how they rebrand the return of £20 UC uplift and a windfall tax as Tory ideas, but not as amusing as seeing the pb regs flip flop to support the policies they have said are nonsensical and unaffordable for the last few months.
    £20 note is the new 'look, squirrel' on the day Sue Gray finally reports it seems.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,582

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    A friend rang me up this morning to rant about it and the various strategies she is employing to cut back.

    It’s quite scary. The quality of life for most people is in decline.
    I was talking to another parent on the way back from school, and he talked about obsessively watching the gas and electric meters, and only using gas and electric when it's really needed. They're rather hard up at the best of times, and they're really worried about how they're going to cope with three kids at home (two more grown), including one who is disabled.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    The worst thing about Cornwall is the traffic and crowding. in the school holidays. In part it is the problem of roads leading into a funnel. Shoulder seasons are much nicer there.

    Even in the school holidays the Isle of Wight is unhurried and less hassle.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,503

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Will be amusing to see how they rebrand the return of £20 UC uplift and a windfall tax as Tory ideas, but not as amusing as seeing the pb regs flip flop to support the policies they have said are nonsensical and unaffordable for the last few months.
    £20 note is the new 'look, squirrel' on the day Sue Gray finally reports it seems.

    That will be silly for it will be drowned out and they won’t get a bounce from it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited May 2022
    The #10 staffers are coming off worse than Boris in a way from this Panorama.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    A friend rang me up this morning to rant about it and the various strategies she is employing to cut back.

    It’s quite scary. The quality of life for most people is in decline.
    I was talking to another parent on the way back from school, and he talked about obsessively watching the gas and electric meters, and only using gas and electric when it's really needed. They're rather hard up at the best of times, and they're really worried about how they're going to cope with three kids at home (two more grown), including one who is disabled.
    And it's going to get really bad Q4 when it gets cold and there is another gas and electricity increase 😡😡😡😡😡
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Is it worth my watching the Panorama thing a little later?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited May 2022

    Is it worth my watching the Panorama thing a little later?

    I would say no. There is nothing we didn't know. Boris popped into some events, but the staffers were rat arsed ar every opportunity and now trying to say well he never said no.

    As i said was the case from the start, Boris clearly nod nod wink wink make sure you destress chaps.

    Then half the program has been about Boris background / character and Ukraine.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    ydoethur said:

    On the price cap nonsense:

    How does it actually work? Do they cap fuel costs, standing charges, or both together?

    Because I am being brutally hammered on the standing charge when I leave my fixed rate next month, and that's what's going to be painful for me.

    Sadly the standing charges are exempt from any control, price cap or otherwise. The most recent rise was due to the government recouping the money lost when all the other small companies went belly up last year. I think it also includes money for rental of equipment etc.

    Then it's an even dafter idea than it looked. Which is actually saying quite something.

    I can manage my fuel costs, but not my standing charge. Plus, I don't actually use that much fuel so I'm getting doubly clobbered. Finally, it discourages responsible energy use.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Pensfold said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach
    Bodmin Moor. Have you been up Brown Willy?
    In the driving rain? With children?

    I love the west country moors but there are limits.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Is it worth my watching the Panorama thing a little later?

    no

    Except it's a useful recap. Seeing the coverage of Munira Mirza resigning. Complete omigodfest then, now: who tf is or was Munira Mirza? Jack Doyle?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    One of my colleagues was very unhappy, and noted that on top of everything else that it's not exactly making it easier for her to save up for a deposit.

    And teachers aren't exactly on bad money.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    ydoethur said:

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    One of my colleagues was very unhappy, and noted that on top of everything else that it's not exactly making it easier for her to save up for a deposit.

    And teachers aren't exactly on bad money.
    Depends if it causes house prices to collapse too
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Splashing more money around? I thought the idea was to reduce inflation, not increase it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    53m
    Boris Johnson believed & believes his conduct at these events fell within the rules. The police only disagree with his assessment re his birthday. Given the police agree with what he said, it's silly to pretend Boris was "obviously lying".

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1529158182907564034

    ===

    So, basically, the argument is that he had not a fucking clue what the laws he was signing off on meant in detail or how they impacted on the most basic of human interactions - like having a drink after work with mates.

    Literally, no idea what the rest of the country was doing thanks to his own legislation.

    So - he's a liar or he's the biggest idiot to ever sit in the cabinet room.

  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited May 2022
    Foxy said:

    The worst thing about Cornwall is the traffic and crowding. in the school holidays. In part it is the problem of roads leading into a funnel. Shoulder seasons are much nicer there.

    Even in the school holidays the Isle of Wight is unhurried and less hassle.

    Yep and I'd like to pick up on @Leon's comment about Truro cathedral. I've been there for a friend's ordination and at other times and it is indeed a very dull building. I cannot imagine driving an hour an up the A30 from Penzance in driving rain to take my then young kids around it.

    The Minack is indeed glorious. IF you have lovely weather. If you don't it is godawful.

    Personally, and I realise this bit may be more controversial, I find The Eden Project rather a damp squib. It's okay but not as massive as I expected and you're hard pressed even to make half a day of it. Unless you're stuck in a queue of other irritable parents in which case you've every chance of making a full day of the "experience".

    Cornwall in summer in rain with children is very trying, especially so if you've ever been to the cheaper comparison of a holiday WITH SUN in the Med.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    53m
    Boris Johnson believed & believes his conduct at these events fell within the rules. The police only disagree with his assessment re his birthday. Given the police agree with what he said, it's silly to pretend Boris was "obviously lying".

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1529158182907564034

    ===

    So, basically, the argument is that he had not a fucking clue what the laws he was signing off on meant in detail or how they impacted on the most basic of human interactions - like having a drink after work with mates.

    Literally, no idea what the rest of the country was doing thanks to his own legislation.

    So - he's a liar or he's the biggest idiot to ever sit in the cabinet room.

    I think that's a false dichotomy. I would go for 'the bastard's both.'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited May 2022
    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade of its ports

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    53m
    Boris Johnson believed & believes his conduct at these events fell within the rules. The police only disagree with his assessment re his birthday. Given the police agree with what he said, it's silly to pretend Boris was "obviously lying".

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1529158182907564034

    ===

    So, basically, the argument is that he had not a fucking clue what the laws he was signing off on meant in detail or how they impacted on the most basic of human interactions - like having a drink after work with mates.

    Literally, no idea what the rest of the country was doing thanks to his own legislation.

    So - he's a liar or he's the biggest idiot to ever sit in the cabinet room.

    Worse than that, he did not just say that his own conduct followed the rules, he thought everyone at number 10 obeyed the rules at all times. Or at least told us he did.

    Does Lilico seriously believe him on that too?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    RobD said:

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Splashing more money around? I thought the idea was to reduce inflation, not increase it.
    I remember noting last year that Biden chief advisor saying that splashing money around, even if not well targeted was fine because the west had solved inflation and any blip would be transitory.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    Thankyou! You’re the first person to give me a real sense of why a British family might want to go to Cornwall, repeatedly, for a holiday, despite the weather (tho I suggest you have been a tad lucky with 6 rainy days in 6 years!)

    I guess, being Cornish and visiting it all my life and having all my extended family there (and living there a few times for a few months each) I take it for granted, perhaps.

    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    But…but…parties

    Keep an eye on oil. Very little spare capacity, demand for China coming back on stream once they are over lockdowns. Could easily be $180 a barrel later this year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    Lib Dems must be loving this Panorama....
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Taz said:

    My friends and colleagues are really starting to get frightened about the cost of living. It's starting to bite.

    But…but…parties

    Keep an eye on oil. Very little spare capacity, demand for China coming back on stream once they are over lockdowns. Could easily be $180 a barrel later this year.
    Which may go some way towards explaining the sudden desire on the part of many younger people to work from home.

    Especially if parents are paying for heating...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928

    RobD said:

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Splashing more money around? I thought the idea was to reduce inflation, not increase it.
    I remember noting last year that Biden chief advisor saying that splashing money around, even if not well targeted was fine because the west had solved inflation and any blip would be transitory.
    Well it still might go down again in a year or so, if we are lucky.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Oh and a venue to add to @Leon's excellent list: Piedmont in northern Italy. Absolutely glorious largely forgotten region with the most stunning scenery, superb food, beautiful towns, glorious coastline with beaches. And SUN.

    It's also easily drivable from southern Britain. Go down the east side of France through the Vosges and Jura, over the Alps. An incredible drive that is a million times better than the North Coast 500 without the traffic.

    There are places on that route that will make you weep with pleasure.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Splashing more money around? I thought the idea was to reduce inflation, not increase it.
    I remember noting last year that Biden chief advisor saying that splashing money around, even if not well targeted was fine because the west had solved inflation and any blip would be transitory.
    Well it still might go down again in a year or so, if we are lucky.
    Bloody hope so.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    is that the going rate for a helicopter trip?

    I'm in the wrong business...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,503

    Is it worth my watching the Panorama thing a little later?

    I would say no. There is nothing we didn't know. Boris popped into some events, but the staffers were rat arsed ar every opportunity and now trying to say well he never said no.

    As i said was the case from the start, Boris clearly nod nod wink wink make sure you destress chaps. Then half the program has been about Boris background and Ukraine.
    But that’s the point in itself. Whilst Shapps and Daily Mail try to distract from the actual crime with how many minutes and seconds Boris was actually there, he made the law, looked at us eye to eye in the press conferences to observe it, but instigated or turned blind eye to downing street law breaking he should have stopped. That’s the first resignation matter. The second is he stood up at dispatch box fully away he had committed the first resignation matter, and lied about it happening.

    I’m still convinced the police will announce they hadn’t seen those photos, that it’s new and significant evidence requiring them to reopen the case to take another look at that one. This second FPN for Boris may not even be the end of it either, the second party that evening where the rat arsed Boris danced the night away in a ABBA wig likely to be his third.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    On the price cap nonsense:

    How does it actually work? Do they cap fuel costs, standing charges, or both together?

    Because I am being brutally hammered on the standing charge when I leave my fixed rate next month, and that's what's going to be painful for me.

    Sadly the standing charges are exempt from any control, price cap or otherwise. The most recent rise was due to the government recouping the money lost when all the other small companies went belly up last year. I think it also includes money for rental of equipment etc.

    Then it's an even dafter idea than it looked. Which is actually saying quite something.

    I can manage my fuel costs, but not my standing charge. Plus, I don't actually use that much fuel so I'm getting doubly clobbered. Finally, it discourages responsible energy use.
    I totally agree.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited May 2022

    Is it worth my watching the Panorama thing a little later?

    I would say no. There is nothing we didn't know. Boris popped into some events, but the staffers were rat arsed ar every opportunity and now trying to say well he never said no.

    As i said was the case from the start, Boris clearly nod nod wink wink make sure you destress chaps. Then half the program has been about Boris background and Ukraine.
    But that’s the point in itself. Whilst Shapps and Daily Mail try to distract from the actual crime with how many minutes and seconds Boris was actually there, he made the law, looked at us eye to eye in the press conferences to observe it, but instigated or turned blind eye to downing street law breaking he should have stopped
    That has been my point from the start.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
    I do hope that was said in a tone of sarcastic disapproval.

    I mean, surely nobody would support Johnson bombing Turkey to distract attention from his party woes?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Panorama should have been 30 min not an hour. The new stuff got swamp by stuff we all know.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited May 2022
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:
    Not noticeably so when I was booking our fortnight in Cornwall... Not much availability and way more expensive than three years ago. Still cheaper and easier than flying a family of five out to the Med somewhere in July/August. IMHO going on a foreign holiday in the summer is just as mad as going on a UK holiday any other time of the year.
    Serious question, what do you do if/when it rains?

    Which it does, in Cornwall. A lot

    I don’t understand people who go to Cornwall for their main summer holiday en famille. And I am a loyal Cornishman

    It’s a rather sweet place, sublime in a few places, but it is really expensive and… the weather. If I was unlucky enough to have just one main holiday, and kids in tow, I would absolutely want guaranteed sun
    Once again find myself agreeing with you.

    Devon and Cornwall and most of the west side of Britain is okay if the weather is lovely. It frequently isn't. It's bloody hard work with a family if it's raining and the roads become clogged as everyone desperately finds something useful to do. Britain is also now extremely expensive.

    Holidaying the UK is all very well during a pandemic but you're rolling the dice on the weather.

    If it rains in Devon & Cornwall you're fooked. There's only so many times you can visit a Butterfly Farm and Gnome World.
    Tintagel castle, tin mines, the seal sanctuary, Penzance, Truro Cathedral, Flambards,The Lost Gardens of Heligan, Tate Gallery St Ives, St Michael's Mount, Minack Theatre, The Eden Project etc. Plenty to do in Cornwall even if the weather is not blazing sunshine or if it is raining. I remember as I spent half my childhood summers there and it was not always sunny enough for the beach

    As @Heathener says, many of those are shite in rain. And Truro Cathedral is probably the most boring Anglican cathedral in Britain, after Guildford. Moreover, if you get a wet week (or, go forbid, fortnight) you would rock through those pretty quickly, you wouldn’t want to go back

    Yet families return to Cornwall, year after year. I’m glad they do, for the sake of the Cornish tourist industry, but it still mystifies me
    You're from Cornwall, no?
    People often feel blasé about where they're from. But objectively, Cornwall is a special place. To cross the Tamar is to step into another country. Coves and tin mines. The bright, wet, prow of the country, cutting into the sea and covered in salt spray. The heathy, cider-soaked finis terræ. Wonderful.
    The wife, daughters and I are off to Falmouth on Saturday. I cannot wait. We've done Cornwall the last six summers, in the Polzeath area. Always want to try somewhere new but cannot bring ourselves not to have the same holiday as we've just had. Especially now the kids know other kids who go the same week. So this year, we're going twice - once in August, once in June.

    Maybe we've been lucky - but in six years we've had fewer than six rainy days.
    Maybe being from Manchester I have a different standard of what a rainy day is.

    Cornwall is definitely better in the sun. But if it rains, you just have to embrace it.

    And some years, we've tried France. And it's rained. And that really is shit.
    I will now defend Cornwall’s food. If anywhere has had a foodie revolution it is Cornwall. The oysters! Love them
    Not cheap though.

    Cancale is the place I'm most fond of for oysters. Sit on the harbour wall, in the sun, and soak up the French atmosphere. C'est magnifique la.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    RobD said:

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Splashing more money around? I thought the idea was to reduce inflation, not increase it.
    I remember noting last year that Biden chief advisor saying that splashing money around, even if not well targeted was fine because the west had solved inflation and any blip would be transitory.
    Giving £20 to those on benefits and UC is not going to make any noticeable difference to inflation.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
    I do hope that was said in a tone of sarcastic disapproval.

    I mean, surely nobody would support Johnson bombing Turkey to distract attention from his party woes?
    Why would he need to bomb Turkey, a NATO ally who would let fellow NATO ships through?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited May 2022
    kjh said:

    Panorama should have been 30 min not an hour. The new stuff got swamp by stuff we all know.

    There isn't really a program here. There is a couple of interviews the important quotes from which have already been reported, the rest is all filler and bringing Labour into the story.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited May 2022
    @Cookie I wish you well and hope you have a glorious sun-kissed holiday and can tell me afterwards what tosh I've talked!

    Falmouth is fab.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    Dunno. But it all sounds a bit Lord Palmestone.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rishi pays £10,000 to hire a helicopter to take him to a Tory gala dinner

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1529150381489803265?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    It’s his money. So what .
    Yes a weird non story.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928

    RobD said:

    BBC News - Cost of living: Government plan to help households could come in days
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61572226

    Splashing more money around? I thought the idea was to reduce inflation, not increase it.
    I remember noting last year that Biden chief advisor saying that splashing money around, even if not well targeted was fine because the west had solved inflation and any blip would be transitory.
    Giving £20 to those on benefits and UC is not going to make any noticeable difference to inflation.

    It is increasing the money supply, unless there are proposals to reduce spending/increase taxation to compensate.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Lib Dems must be loving this Panorama....

    I'm not. I think we have such a total shambles of a government and Downing Street.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ukranian Ambassador says he is now in talks with the UK government who are considering sending Royal Navy warships to the Black Sea to break the Russian blockade

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1529168395027075073?s=20&t=XVodDaSmUg0hl_W-_d_WKQ

    Can we even do that? I thought the Bosphorus was shut to warships in wartime?
    I assume Boris would use submarines too to sink any obstacles in their path if he needed to move the narrative on from partygate
    I do hope that was said in a tone of sarcastic disapproval.

    I mean, surely nobody would support Johnson bombing Turkey to distract attention from his party woes?
    Why would he need to bomb Turkey, a NATO ally who would let fellow NATO ships through?
    Because it's Turkey that would shut the Bosphorus to warships!
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