Maybe the mystery ICM poll is one of their 'wisdom of the crowd' polls and has sampled lots of depressed Unionists and too many jubilant Nationalists!
Its a strangely written article by Ancona, almost reads like the poll results were added after the rest of it was written.
I think that's a good shout, the Telegraph seem to be really on board for the ICM Wisdom index so they may have commissioned one for the Indyref. If that is the case it shows how bullish the Yes sidr and how pessimistic No are at least, capturing the national mood music very well.
One of the curiosities of the Survation polls of late is that they are showing fairly consistent and strong leads for no in Glasgow, in this one 54.7: 45.3. If they are right about that it would put No in a very strong position.
Conversely they are consistently showing large Yes leads in the north east which given they are presumably including Aberdeen City does not feel right either.
I think the evidence that the Borders are going to vote pretty much 2:1 for no is becoming overwhelming. It raises some interesting questions of where the border of an independent Scotland really ought to be. Maybe the Crinan canal?
These are all subsamples of course and need to be treated with caution but they are also fairly consistent across most of the recent polling which includes this sort of geographical breakdown.
One of the curiosities of the Survation polls of late is that they are showing fairly consistent and strong leads for no in Glasgow, in this one 54.7: 45.3. If they are right about that it would put No in a very strong position.
Conversely they are consistently showing large Yes leads in the north east which given they are presumably including Aberdeen City does not feel right either.
I think the evidence that the Borders are going to vote pretty much 2:1 for no is becoming overwhelming. It raises some interesting questions of where the border of an independent Scotland really ought to be. Maybe the Crinan canal?
These are all subsamples of course and need to be treated with caution but they are also fairly consistent across most of the recent polling which includes this sort of geographical breakdown.
As a Borderer I would say that whilst Border Country doesn't want Scotland to become independent they would punch you twice in the gob for suggesting they wouldn't want to be part of Scotland.
Edit: I've been reading that Glasgow City might vote No but Greater Glasgow will be Yes overall. Very interested to know what the bookies consider 'Glasgow' to be.
One of the curiosities of the Survation polls of late is that they are showing fairly consistent and strong leads for no in Glasgow, in this one 54.7: 45.3. If they are right about that it would put No in a very strong position.
Conversely they are consistently showing large Yes leads in the north east which given they are presumably including Aberdeen City does not feel right either.
I think the evidence that the Borders are going to vote pretty much 2:1 for no is becoming overwhelming. It raises some interesting questions of where the border of an independent Scotland really ought to be. Maybe the Crinan canal?
These are all subsamples of course and need to be treated with caution but they are also fairly consistent across most of the recent polling which includes this sort of geographical breakdown.
As a Borderer I would say that whilst Border Country doesn't want Scotland to become independent they would punch you twice in the gob for suggesting they wouldn't want to be part of Scotland.
Edit: I've been reading that Glasgow City might vote No but Greater Glasgow will be Yes overall. Very interested to know what the bookies consider 'Glasgow' to be.
If there is a Glasgow counting region, that'll be it.
The Snake Pass is also in Derbyshire ...... Sheffield is 10 miles away from the reservoir.
I do not deny driving through Derbyshire, but Sheffield was where I spent my morning & afternoon. The last time I checked it was definitely in Yorkshire.
One of the curiosities of the Survation polls of late is that they are showing fairly consistent and strong leads for no in Glasgow, in this one 54.7: 45.3. If they are right about that it would put No in a very strong position.
Conversely they are consistently showing large Yes leads in the north east which given they are presumably including Aberdeen City does not feel right either.
I think the evidence that the Borders are going to vote pretty much 2:1 for no is becoming overwhelming. It raises some interesting questions of where the border of an independent Scotland really ought to be. Maybe the Crinan canal?
These are all subsamples of course and need to be treated with caution but they are also fairly consistent across most of the recent polling which includes this sort of geographical breakdown.
As a Borderer I would say that whilst Border Country doesn't want Scotland to become independent they would punch you twice in the gob for suggesting they wouldn't want to be part of Scotland.
Edit: I've been reading that Glasgow City might vote No but Greater Glasgow will be Yes overall. Very interested to know what the bookies consider 'Glasgow' to be.
I agree the definition of "Glasgow" is unclear. The SNP did well in Lanarkshire in 2011. Listening to seats where it was rare (pre AV) to have local councillors who were anything other than Labour falling to the SNP one after another was one of the most remarkable election nights I can remember, certainly since 1992 and in some ways even more remarkable.
I was surprised at how tight things were in the last Survation poll in the North East, and like you, it simple didn't feel right for Aberdeen City or around my patch of Aberdeenshire. But when I checked, this area also included Angus and Dundee which could certainly have the effect of making it look much tighter overall.
One of the curiosities of the Survation polls of late is that they are showing fairly consistent and strong leads for no in Glasgow, in this one 54.7: 45.3. If they are right about that it would put No in a very strong position.
Conversely they are consistently showing large Yes leads in the north east which given they are presumably including Aberdeen City does not feel right either.
I think the evidence that the Borders are going to vote pretty much 2:1 for no is becoming overwhelming. It raises some interesting questions of where the border of an independent Scotland really ought to be. Maybe the Crinan canal?
These are all subsamples of course and need to be treated with caution but they are also fairly consistent across most of the recent polling which includes this sort of geographical breakdown.
I was over there this morning. Cheshire is much nicer IMO, although the drive past the Derwent reservoir outside Sheffield was nice.
The Derwent reservoir is actually in Derbyshire, not Yorkshire!
Yes, but the Snake Pass A623 goes past it. I went to Sheffield.
Ah Beverley, I might just about forgive you for the heinous crime of believing that the Derwent Reservoir is in the inferior county of Yorkshire.
Two of my favourite hills are on either side: Kinder and Bleaklow. (*) If Yorkshire ever tried to claim them then it'd be war. We would have the skirmish of Madwoman's Stones, pikes at Pikenaze Moor, and cannibalism at Black Chew Head.
In fact, Yorkshire should really just give in now, and cede everything south of Marsden to us.
(*) It probably says a great deal about me that my favourite two hills are bogs ... :-)
You can tell not everyone knows, the price is going down but sticking and pulling back up. Half the market thinks the other half of the market is idiots.
The more time passes without a denial / correction of the telegraph ICM poll 8pt YES lead, the more likely it is true. IF it is true, the market is massively mis-priced.
Ah Beverley, I might just about forgive you for the heinous crime of believing that the Derwent Reservoir is in the inferior county of Yorkshire.
Mr Jessop[ - careful reading shows that I never said that the reservoir was in Yorkshire, just that "although the drive past the Derwent reservoir outside Sheffield "
I find both Yorkshire and Lancashire a bit bleak rather than inferior. The windswept hills and moors strike me as rather barren although magnificent in their austereness. I regret to say that the bit of Derbyshire that I zoomed through in my little red car shared these characteristics.
Cheshire, although boringly flat, just feels "warmer".
Two of my favourite hills are on either side: Kinder and Bleaklow. (*) If Yorkshire ever tried to claim them then it'd be war. We would have the skirmish of Madwoman's Stones, pikes at Pikenaze Moor, and cannibalism at Black Chew Head.
In fact, Yorkshire should really just give in now, and cede everything south of Marsden to us.
(*) It probably says a great deal about me that my favourite two hills are bogs ... :-)
You sound very passionate about it. I do not really have "favourite places" as such but there are some places that hold memories that are incredibly precious to me. One of them is Porthmadog in NW Wales. A day I spent there in July 88 was the most perfect day of my life which no other day has ever come near. As a result I will never go to Porthmadog again because I want it to stay as I remember it rather than see what it has become.
Ah Beverley, I might just about forgive you for the heinous crime of believing that the Derwent Reservoir is in the inferior county of Yorkshire.
Mr Jessop[ - careful reading shows that I never said that the reservoir was in Yorkshire, just that "although the drive past the Derwent reservoir outside Sheffield "
I find both Yorkshire and Lancashire a bit bleak rather than inferior. The windswept hills and moors strike me as rather barren although magnificent in their austereness. I regret to say that the bit of Derbyshire that I zoomed through in my little red car shared these characteristics.
Cheshire, although boringly flat, just feels "warmer".
Two of my favourite hills are on either side: Kinder and Bleaklow. (*) If Yorkshire ever tried to claim them then it'd be war. We would have the skirmish of Madwoman's Stones, pikes at Pikenaze Moor, and cannibalism at Black Chew Head.
In fact, Yorkshire should really just give in now, and cede everything south of Marsden to us.
(*) It probably says a great deal about me that my favourite two hills are bogs ... :-)
You sound very passionate about it. I do not really have "favourite places" as such but there are some places that hold memories that are incredibly precious to me. One of them is Porthmadog in NW Wales. A day I spent there in July 88 was the most perfect day of my life which no other day has ever come near. As a result I will never go to Porthmadog again because I want it to stay as I remember it rather than see what it has become.
Bev, I wasn't being 100% serious. Only 99.5%. ;-)
The moors are an acquired taste, but once you acquire it, it's hard to get them out of your blood.
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Conversely they are consistently showing large Yes leads in the north east which given they are presumably including Aberdeen City does not feel right either.
I think the evidence that the Borders are going to vote pretty much 2:1 for no is becoming overwhelming. It raises some interesting questions of where the border of an independent Scotland really ought to be. Maybe the Crinan canal?
These are all subsamples of course and need to be treated with caution but they are also fairly consistent across most of the recent polling which includes this sort of geographical breakdown.
As someone prone to typos, it is frightening to have that kind of power
(Only kidding :-))
Let's get the facts sorted asap!
Edit: I've been reading that Glasgow City might vote No but Greater Glasgow will be Yes overall. Very interested to know what the bookies consider 'Glasgow' to be.
Mike's had people from the city ringing in the last week, asking for polling analysis on the indyref.
Two of my favourite hills are on either side: Kinder and Bleaklow. (*) If Yorkshire ever tried to claim them then it'd be war. We would have the skirmish of Madwoman's Stones, pikes at Pikenaze Moor, and cannibalism at Black Chew Head.
In fact, Yorkshire should really just give in now, and cede everything south of Marsden to us.
(*) It probably says a great deal about me that my favourite two hills are bogs ... :-)
What a corker - is it confirmed?
IF it is true, the market is massively mis-priced.
I find both Yorkshire and Lancashire a bit bleak rather than inferior. The windswept hills and moors strike me as rather barren although magnificent in their austereness. I regret to say that the bit of Derbyshire that I zoomed through in my little red car shared these characteristics.
Cheshire, although boringly flat, just feels "warmer".
You sound very passionate about it. I do not really have "favourite places" as such but there are some places that hold memories that are incredibly precious to me. One of them is Porthmadog in NW Wales. A day I spent there in July 88 was the most perfect day of my life which no other day has ever come near. As a result I will never go to Porthmadog again because I want it to stay as I remember it rather than see what it has become.
The moors are an acquired taste, but once you acquire it, it's hard to get them out of your blood.