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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    kjh said:

    I do occasionally because you never give up and I'm not letting you off for posting this bollocks. You now know what it is like for the rest of us. I think I have done it 3 times to make a point. And I didn't bring it up this morning.
    No you do it relentlessly and it is not even a discussion of issues or polling anymore which might at least be vaguely interesting.

    From your side it is increasingly just a personal vendetta against me, as shown by your obsessive posts over the last 24 hours hurling allegations of Fascism at me
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    Sorry to hear Charles has left
    Yes, it was deeply unpleasant to see too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,179

    Anne Applebaum
    @anneapplebaum
    Everyone who now calls for Zelensky to make "territorial concessions' in exchange for a cease fire should remember what this will actually mean: tens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians will die.

    https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1510417515280748553

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,893
    FF43 said:

    I respect @HYUFD 's contributions because they reflect the thinking of an important part of Conservative Party thought, not much articulated in these forums. Not the thinking of every Tory but nevertheless essential to that party's electoral success.

    While on the topic of pile-ons. If @Heathener is a Russian bot, she is a remarkably off-message one

    A couple of things

    - Doxing people is always wrong. All the justifications - "But in this case it is right..." are horseshit
    - Anyone using a VPN that terminates with a fixed IP address belonging to a compromised PC has a very strange and very worrying security problem. They should change their VPN immediately, and should wipe their computer and start again from a bare operating system install.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    @Foxy taken the Doxycycline just before I left today and feeling okay so far. Thanks for the advice.

    Good morning CHB, hope you are well.
  • HYUFD doesn’t pretend like most of the people that bully him day after day. Just let it go and leave the guy alone.
    It is perfectly legitimate to challenge anyone's views and by the number of posters on here criticising elements of @HYUFD posts, then it is not bullying nor should he be left alone unchallenged
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,821

    Sophie Ridge on Sky has just said the EU have spent 18 billion euros since 24th Feb on buying Russian gas and the the rouble
    has recovered all of its value because of that

    I just do not know how this can be addressed short of cutting off Russian gas supplies, which to be fair is not practical

    We have to address reducing fuel consumption. Not ideal, but there's no other short term way to get off Russian oil and gas. Also saves money of course.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    kjh said:

    If Sturgeon held a wildcat referendum I would expect the UK government to try and stop it through the courts. I would also expect them to ignore the result. I would not expect any force to be used in particular tanks.
    If there were riots by Nationalists then of course riot police would have to be used and arrests made as happened in Spain with Catalan Nationalists. Otherwise they would have in effect lost control of Scotland and Sturgeon would try and force through the result, maybe even declaring UDI, even if the UK government ignored it
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,427
    Cookie said:

    Yes, and this is a mystery of human behaviour: the more of a hellhole a particular country is, the more its inhabitants seem keen to bring more children into it. Whereas where the living is good, people can't be bothered. Intuitively, you'd think the reverse would be true.
    And I've done GCSE geography, and I know the ostensible reasons for it. But it still doesn't make intuitive sense.
    Two questions.
    1. What is the child survival rate to 15?
    2. How many competent Health Visitors/Family Planning nurses do they have?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    Yes, it was deeply unpleasant to see too.
    I'm sure counselling is available.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399

    In the case of the Falklands, that is what the people who live there call them.

    Using "someone else's name for them" is simply insulting to those that live there.
    Not if the person writing the article is an Argentinian. He will use his name for places. The Guardian referred to the Falklands, the Argentinian journalist referred to the Maldives. I wouldn't expect anything different and even if you disagree that is no excuse for censorship.
  • HYUFD said:

    It isn't a public website. Otherwise it would be read by far more of the public than it is and everyone would post under their own name.

    Though if people do start leaking information on here to political parties and employers etc then as I said this forum ends as people respond in kind. Anyone of any role of significance anywhere would leave or post posts of such anodyne tedium they really don't say anything at all.


    ‘It isn’t a public website. Otherwise it would be read by far more of the public than it is and everyone would post under their own name.’

    Do you consider this drivel before you post it? Not public? Because of some arbitrary definition you’ve just dreamed up? You’re bonkers.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,242

    I'm curious why "it shouldn't have"

    My understanding was that the modern, liberal position, was that places, countries and ethnic groups should be referred to by the names that people involved/living there give them.

    So the Chinese ask for it to be called Beijing, the First Australians ask to be called that, and the Indians ask that we refer to Mumbai.

    The Guardian would "correct" other usage.
    I am not actually going to disagree with you as such as I don't have a problem with people deciding what their country/placenames should be. But there is a strange demarcation used in this which I have never fully understood.

    Why do we refer to Bejing and Mumbai but not Roma, Beograd or Lisboa? Particularly in the case of Bejing/Peking where the two names are actually the same, it is just a case of saying/spelling it differently.



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    edited April 2022

    HYUFD is anti-democratic. He would be happy to see me, and thousands of others like me, imprisoned for our political views if that was necessary for his side to stay in power.

    I might disagree politically with a lot of other posters here, and sometimes the things they say might upset me, because of the degree to which I think their views will lead to suffering for others - but only HYUFD has left me feeling scared for my liberty.

    I will stand up for democratic norms against someone like HYUFD, and that is not bullying. Nor is it bullying to insist on proper use of facts, where HYUFD has a way of denying basic aspects of reality.
    Where have I said I would imprison people for their views? I am generally more tolerant of Corbynistas for example than most of the liberal and libertarian thought police on here when they are not trashing me
  • FF43 said:

    We have to address reducing fuel consumption. Not ideal, but there's no other short term way to get off Russian oil and gas. Also saves money of course.
    This crisis will result in a massive change in the way we live, out attitude to green energy and importantly how we transition over the next 20 years, and of course Russia being turned into a pariah state
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    kjh said:

    If Sturgeon held a wildcat referendum I would expect the UK government to try and stop it through the courts. I would also expect them to ignore the result. I would not expect any force to be used in particular tanks.
    It wouldn't need to be the UK government - there are plenty of Scots more than happy to take ScotGov to the Scottish Courts. But Sturgeon won't try a wildcat referendum. Who ever comes after her might (and it won't be Forbes, who wouldn't either).
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232
    Diesel shortages are here for the foreseeable future and it’s nothing to do with loons blockading anywhere.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60948439
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    kjh said:

    The Guardian referred to the Falklands, the Argentinian journalist referred to the Maldives.
    At least auto-correct got it right!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,139
    Cookie said:

    Yes, and this is a mystery of human behaviour: the more of a hellhole a particular country is, the more its inhabitants seem keen to bring more children into it. Whereas where the living is good, people can't be bothered. Intuitively, you'd think the reverse would be true.
    And I've done GCSE geography, and I know the ostensible reasons for it. But it still doesn't make intuitive sense.
    Even putting aside the polite GCSE geography reasons for it (economic security, female education, etc), isn't it actually really rather simple and obvious?

    People really, really like having sex, and if you have sex a lot (and don't have contraception) then you will end up with lots of babies. If you have access to contraception then you can have sex without babies, which is just as well as babies get in the way of having more sex.

    QED

    The confusing part is why some people still have babies.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,427

    ‘It isn’t a public website. Otherwise it would be read by far more of the public than it is and everyone would post under their own name.’

    Do you consider this drivel before you post it? Not public? Because of some arbitrary definition you’ve just dreamed up? You’re bonkers.
    Now, now children. Play nicely!
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,821
    edited April 2022
    Covid hospitalisations are running at half last January's peak and probably still increasing. Deaths are a lagging indicator, but Scotland which started the current wave earlier is seeing deaths at half its lower than England January 2021 peak. It's a serious situation. However the number of infections is massively greater than then due to no lockdown being in place now. The hospitalisation rates and IFRs are much lower thanks to vaccines.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,139


    Anne Applebaum
    @anneapplebaum
    Everyone who now calls for Zelensky to make "territorial concessions' in exchange for a cease fire should remember what this will actually mean: tens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians will die.

    https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1510417515280748553

    Yes. And liberation of the Donbas should also be seen as precisely that - a liberation of the people living there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600

    Even putting aside the polite GCSE geography reasons for it (economic security, female education, etc), isn't it actually really rather simple and obvious?

    People really, really like having sex, and if you have sex a lot (and don't have contraception) then you will end up with lots of babies. If you have access to contraception then you can have sex without babies, which is just as well as babies get in the way of having more sex.

    QED

    The confusing part is why some people still have babies.
    To continue their family and the human race
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369

    Politically I feel there's a sense of the 70's rather than the 90's - a sense of everything being a bit rubbish, costs going up etc. From that we got Thatcher, so we will see what we get from this.

    It's an interesting question, and a useful analogy. The 1970s marked the point at which the post-war economic model started to fail. Arguably the current period marks the point at which the Thatcherite economic model's failures are becoming manifest. I suspect that the answer to these failings won't me 'more Thatcherism', but it won't be a return to post-war state socialism either.
    There is one quick way of solving some of our economic woes of course, but it won't happen because the government can't admit that its central policy is a failure, even though that is obvious to any neutral observer.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232
    IshmaelZ said:

    I'm sure counselling is available.
    It is indeed and I hope you avail yourself to it and become a better person.

    Please don’t reply to me again. I’ve no interest in indulging your desire to engage in pointless arguments.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,139

    Um no. Read what I wrote in both my responses here.

    "He is by far and away the most extremist poster on this forum"

    "We do not, to my knowledge, have any holocaust deniers on here and have not for a considerable period of time so my statement stands."

    Present tense.

    2014 is (somewhat sadly) 8 years ago. I don't know when Rod finally stopped posting but it must be a good few years ago.

    So again. My comment stands. HYUFD is by far and away the most extremist poster on this forum.
    Rod was banned because he wouldn't stop derailing threads with his holocaust denial. I forget exactly when, but fairly confident it was pre-Brexit referendum.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,129

    But for many years we have had the rich energy establishment active in “the lobby” throughout western democracies, buying influencing, buying politicians and their votes, not always as obviously like Schroeder. And decision making on change, that not only protects earths eco system but helps voters bills in long run too, has not just been very slow, but in terms of energy security we have got in bed with China, Russia. And other iffy types.

    And the Eco activists very little influence in that lobby. But, here, for all the world to read and for the archives, you are telling us they are the traitors, they are Putin’s self serving idiots. 🤔

    I don’t think you are 100% right. We will just have to politely agree to disagree on this one. 😕
    I agree with much of what you say. However, I'd argue the environmentalists have a heck of a big lobby at the moment. It may be a different lobby, but they have won the argument comprehensively. We are heading in the direction they want.

    And whilst the 'energy establishment' may have 'caused' the problems (albeit we buy their products), they have given us the rather good (generally) living standards we have. I'd also argue the solutions to the crisis lie more with them than with the eco-activists.

    These ***** blocking refineries do more harm than good.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,542

    I am not actually going to disagree with you as such as I don't have a problem with people deciding what their country/placenames should be. But there is a strange demarcation used in this which I have never fully understood.

    Why do we refer to Bejing and Mumbai but not Roma, Beograd or Lisboa? Particularly in the case of Bejing/Peking where the two names are actually the same, it is just a case of saying/spelling it differently.



    On the other hand, Turin and Milan are arguably more correct than the Italian as they are the local names in Piedmontese and Lombard.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399

    At least auto-correct got it right!
    😮 Whoops. And yet not my worst mistake.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369

    Even putting aside the polite GCSE geography reasons for it (economic security, female education, etc), isn't it actually really rather simple and obvious?

    People really, really like having sex, and if you have sex a lot (and don't have contraception) then you will end up with lots of babies. If you have access to contraception then you can have sex without babies, which is just as well as babies get in the way of having more sex.

    QED

    The confusing part is why some people still have babies.
    For me the confusing part is why more people don't have more children. They are a blessing and a joy.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    HYUFD said:

    If there were riots by Nationalists then of course riot police would have to be used and arrests made as happened in Spain with Catalan Nationalists. Otherwise they would have in effect lost control of Scotland and Sturgeon would try and force through the result, maybe even declaring UDI, even if the UK government ignored it
    Nationalista in Spain/Catalonia = right winger like you. The word you want is, presumably, Independista.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886

    Rod was banned because he wouldn't stop derailing threads with his holocaust denial. I forget exactly when, but fairly confident it was pre-Brexit referendum.
    I think you are correct. I started lurking at Brexit referendum time.
    And I don't recall him or his holocaust denial.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    On the other hand, Turin and Milan are arguably more correct than the Italian as they are the local names in Piedmontese and Lombard.
    Hence AC Milan

    Bayern Munich OTOH...

    Fun fact: in Italian Munich is Monaco [di Baviera]
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    On the subject of the Falkland/Malvinas - what wold happen to an article that used "Peking", "Australian Aborigines", "Bombay" (say), if it was published in the Guardian?
    Or in the Times.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,542
    IshmaelZ said:

    Hence AC Milan

    Bayern Munich OTOH...

    Fun fact: in Italian Munich is Monaco [di Baviera]
    I think Bayern is actually Bayern München.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    dixiedean said:

    I think you are correct. I started lurking at Brexit referendum time.
    And I don't recall him or his holocaust denial.
    A great shame. He was superb on political stats, but ....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,129
    dixiedean said:

    I think you are correct. I started lurking at Brexit referendum time.
    And I don't recall him or his holocaust denial.
    Last active October 2016
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/profile/RodCrosby

    He was a very good poster, who from memory made some excellent predictions.

    The thing is, we all have our little interests and obsessions, things we will not back down on. It was just that his was a little... odd.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399
    HYUFD said:

    If there were riots by Nationalists then of course riot police would have to be used and arrests made as happened in Spain with Catalan Nationalists. Otherwise they would have in effect lost control of Scotland and Sturgeon would try and force through the result, maybe even declaring UDI, even if the UK government ignored it
    As usual changing what you have said previously. What happened to the tanks, the troops? Riots appeared for the first time yesterday. You and goal posts eh. The must be on wheels and turbo charged.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited April 2022

    I think Bayern is actually Bayern München.
    Yes both seem to be used

    ETA and Milan is nothing to do with local dialects. Per wiki: AC Milan was founded as Milan Foot-Ball and Cricket Club in 1899 by English expatriates Alfred Edwards and Herbert Kilpin.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,139
    Foxy said:

    The way a lot of businesses have been behaving, from PO ferries, to PPE contractors, "fuck business" may well be quite a popular slogan.
    ‘We fucked business before it fucked you’
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399

    I am not actually going to disagree with you as such as I don't have a problem with people deciding what their country/placenames should be. But there is a strange demarcation used in this which I have never fully understood.

    Why do we refer to Bejing and Mumbai but not Roma, Beograd or Lisboa? Particularly in the case of Bejing/Peking where the two names are actually the same, it is just a case of saying/spelling it differently.



    I agree and it is rather getting away from the point of censorship of the free press which is far more important than the etiquette of what word to use, which I accept may upset some people, but at least they have the freedom to be upset, unlike a state which controls what we say, which HYUFD would like.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,242

    Exactly. HYUFD has a right to his opinions. I see no reason for anyone to feel threatened - if he was Prime Minister, there might be policies that would give cause for concern, but as things stand he's simply representing one of many viewpoints, and it's not illegal for him to hold them. Democracy includes not hassling people personally because they say things we don't agree with.

    It's also verrrrry boring.
    Actually Democracy does not include 'not hassling people'. All the more so because 'hassling' is very much in the eye of the beholder. Pointing out how despicable, undemocratic and dangerous HYUFD's views are and challenging him every time he advocates them is not 'hassling'. Some might say that in a democracy it is a public duty.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Farooq said:

    Also, the police beat people for voting, not for rioting.
    That, too. How dare they vote??
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Is Conrad the greatest novelist to write in a language not native to him ?
    Probably, yes. But other contenders (includes other genres than just novel writing):

    Samuel Beckett
    Joseph Brodsky
    Emil Cioran
    Eva Hoffman
    Romain Gary
    Jack Kerouac
    Agota Kristof
    Milan Kundera
    Alistair MacLean
    Yann Martel
    Vladimir Nabokov
    Björn and Benny
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,821
    When the current Russian offensive peters out, it will hold more Ukrainian territory than it had at the start. Maybe a lot more, maybe a bit more, but definitely more.

    Then what? Will there be treaty? Will either side respect it? A ceasefire? A continuing hot war? A frozen conflict? Will Russia become Iran or North Korea? Will Ukraine continue to function? How much support will it get from the US and Europe? Will China, India and the Arab states align to Russia against America?

    Seems like a lot of questions.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Probably, yes. But other contenders (includes other genres than just novel writing):

    Samuel Beckett
    Joseph Brodsky
    Emil Cioran
    Eva Hoffman
    Romain Gary
    Jack Kerouac
    Agota Kristof
    Milan Kundera
    Alistair MacLean
    Yann Martel
    Vladimir Nabokov
    Björn and Benny
    I did wonder about Gaels, Welsh and Irish native speakers, but don't know enough about them to judge.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,139
    Foxy said:

    The hazing is less severe in the UK, but incidents keep happening here too. This was last year:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9685943/Marines-recruit-dead-amid-bullying-claims-detectives-probe-suspected-suicide.html

    Part of the problem in the Russian forces is the lack of a real cadre of NCOs to control the process of turning recruits into killers who follow orders.
    I believe the resilience of the Wehrmacht during WWII was largely down to the strength & initiative of the non com ranks, and explained its ability to keep fighting for years in unfavourable conditions.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,440
    Farooq said:

    This kind of pedantry does you no favours. Everybody know when you say something is "free" that it means you don't have to pay to get/consume it. LFTs are free. Twitter is a free. This site is free. These are not the abuses of the language that you think they are.
    Your denial of reality does you no favours.

    Covid tests cost money.

    So they will be paid for either by the user or by higher taxes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252
    Taz said:
    Cost required? £75 per MWh.

    Fucking hell. Tidal is around £50 - £55.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    Cost required? £75 per MWh.

    Fucking hell. Tidal is around £50 - £55.
    Tidal is something they should be looking at as well. It got canned previously due to not being cost effective. The higher price of energy makes it cost effective now.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399

    Exactly. HYUFD has a right to his opinions. I see no reason for anyone to feel threatened - if he was Prime Minister, there might be policies that would give cause for concern, but as things stand he's simply representing one of many viewpoints, and it's not illegal for him to hold them. Democracy includes not hassling people personally because they say things we don't agree with.

    It's also verrrrry boring.
    I'm surprised by you Nick. Yes HYUFD has a right to his views and a right to express them which he does fulsomely. We also have a right to oppose them which is what we are doing. I would have thought from your background you would be at the forefront of objecting to these types of views. As history tells us it is the failure to object to these types of views that enables them to take hold.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Who could have predicted this.....

    BBC Three returned to TV guides on February 1 much to the dismay of some viewers, who branded the £80 million move a 'total waste of money' and a 'misuse of the licence fee'. Now, it has been revealed that many of its shows have completely flopped after drawing in dire audience figures south of 50,000, with only one programme in a recent week attracting over 100,000.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10680249/BBC-Threes-80m-launch-sees-50-000-viewers-tune-watch-flagship-shows.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Who could have guessed that one of the leaders of the latest eco-facist splinter group would be called Indigo Rumbelow.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10680255/Five-young-agitators-Just-Stop-Oil-protest-misery.html
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399

    OK, let me get something together. The letter I wrote to Kwasi Kwarteng would be an interesting starting point. He attended the All Party Parliamentary Group on tidal power in early 2020, and at that said getting to 2030 was keeping him awake at night. He asked for how he might get there - on one side of paper. So I wrote it. And had it hand delivered to Kwasi by Sir Patrick McCloughlin.

    Never even had the courtesy of a response.
    Excellent (not that you didn't get a reply which isn't excellent). I promise not to hijack your thread with the other nonsense I am posting here.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    Who could have predicted this.....

    BBC Three returned to TV guides on February 1 much to the dismay of some viewers, who branded the £80 million move a 'total waste of money' and a 'misuse of the licence fee'. Now, it has been revealed that many of its shows have completely flopped after drawing in dire audience figures south of 50,000, with only one programme in a recent week attracting over 100,000.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10680249/BBC-Threes-80m-launch-sees-50-000-viewers-tune-watch-flagship-shows.html


    All of this in spite of continual plugs on BBC One for shows on BBC 3, often in prime slots. A channel aimed at a demographic who consumes their media in a different way. The BBC has not got a clue.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,440
    Farooq said:

    Acknowledged; almost everything costs money to produce. Not all of those things are paid for by the user. Those things are free. Free does not mean "costs nothing to make available". What you're doing is requiring others to follow you into an unusual use of a commonly used word because it offends your ideology. Should Covid tests be free? I don't know. Are they, right now? Yes, definitely.
    Everything costs, its just a question of who pays.

    The issue of 'free' tests as with anything 'free' is merely the consumer pointing at someone else and saying "make them pay instead of me".
  • Now, now children. Play nicely!
    I thought I was being quite restrained… 😀
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252
    Taz said:

    Tidal is something they should be looking at as well. It got canned previously due to not being cost effective. The higher price of energy makes it cost effective now.
    When the cost of power is going through the roof, everybody should be asking their MP "Why is the Government so determined to have us build - and have the consumer pay for - the most expensive electricity generation available?"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Taz said:


    All of this in spite of continual plugs on BBC One for shows on BBC 3, often in prime slots. A channel aimed at a demographic who consumes their media in a different way. The BBC has not got a clue.
    What you telling me that teenagers with the infinite choice provided by YouTube and Twitch don't want to watch a linear tv channel with shows about people testing tractors....
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    When the cost of power is going through the roof, everybody should be asking their MP "Why is the Government so determined to have us build - and have the consumer pay for - the most expensive electricity generation available?"
    It’s like someone said, about something else, in a different thread.

    The govt needs to be seen to be doing something

    This is something

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    kjh said:

    I'm surprised by you Nick. Yes HYUFD has a right to his views and a right to express them which he does fulsomely. We also have a right to oppose them which is what we are doing. I would have thought from your background you would be at the forefront of objecting to these types of views. As history tells us it is the failure to object to these types of views that enables them to take hold.
    Nick has been called a Communist amongst other things on here. Occasionally worse.

    I often disagree with him but he has a right to his views exactly as I do and everyone else does on here as long as they are legal.

    Without the pile on from thought police like you
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550

    I have no idea who Charles is! I always assumed he was a comic creation, nobody could be that posh in real life. The site is certainly poorer in his absence.
    Classic 'nice but dim' posho. I'd welcome him back.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    What you telling me that teenagers with the infinite choice provided by YouTube and Twitch don't want to watch a linear tv channel with shows about people testing tractors....
    It’s bizarre, really. They have re runs of Gavin and Stacey too. Can’t understand why they are not pulling in the punters.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Scandals in the NHS and the police are caused in part by underfunding but at their heart lie institutions that close ranks and protect their own

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/03/grim-toll-at-shrewsbury-symptom-of-public-sector-that-doesnt-listen-to-users

    Sonia Sodha was senior adviser to Ed Miliband.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    Taz said:
    Hundreds? Aren't these things supposed to be the size of a football stadium or something?

    It's academic anyway. If Nimbies regularly succeed in blocking fifty Barratt boxes here or a windmill there then the chances of modular reactors ever being built are precisely zero. A nuclear power plant isn't generally considered to be beneficial to local house prices.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    Thought police? You're the one who tells people their conservatism isn't pure because they voted for another party decades ago. How dare you call someone else "thought police"?
    I don't condemn people for their views and say they are not entitled to hold them unlike you.

    Expressing what makes you a committed, ideological Conservative is another matter entirely
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    I did wonder about Gaels, Welsh and Irish native speakers, but don't know enough about them to judge.
    Admirable, but never usually a hindrance on PB. Just witness the number of military geniuses we suddenly have.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Taz said:

    It’s bizarre, really. They have re runs of Gavin and Stacey too. Can’t understand why they are not pulling in the punters.
    Anybody with half a brain can see that linear tv is dying. As the likes of Netflix's hits with Squid Game, Queen's Gambit etc etc etc, if you make a really good show, people will find it on your streaming service. The idea that you need a dedicated linear channel, which you fill the overwhelming amount with repeats and absolute low end crap, is bonkers.

    You don't need a dedicated channel in order to get yourself a hit show with da yuff. You just need to make a show that resonates with them and put it on iPlayer.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Nick has been called a Communist amongst other things on here. Occasionally worse.

    I often disagree with him but he has a right to his views exactly as I do and everyone else does on here as long as they are legal.

    Without the pile on from thought police like you
    I believe Nick actually is a communist? Or certainly former communist?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550
    HYUFD said:

    Nick has been called a Communist amongst other things on here. Occasionally worse.

    I often disagree with him but he has a right to his views exactly as I do and everyone else does on here as long as they are legal.

    Without the pile on from thought police like you
    I think it's your Scotland views where you lose the plot. Otherwise, true blue Tory with a trad bent and polling every day for breakfast.

    And one (imo) very positive thing about you I'd like to put on record having noticed - an absence of brutish, simple simon interventions on 'trans'.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399
    HYUFD said:

    Nick has been called a Communist amongst other things on here. Occasionally worse.

    I often disagree with him but he has a right to his views exactly as I do and everyone else does on here as long as they are legal.

    Without the pile on from thought police like you
    Honestly you really don't read or worse understand anyone's posts do you. I mean what are you talking about. I can't think how to respond to your post because it makes no sense whatsoever. I don't object to Nick's posts at all, or want to stop him and in fact tend to agree with most of his posts. One of my favourite posters.

    It is noticeable that you often don't understand posts.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,129
    pigeon said:

    Hundreds? Aren't these things supposed to be the size of a football stadium or something?

    It's academic anyway. If Nimbies regularly succeed in blocking fifty Barratt boxes here or a windmill there then the chances of modular reactors ever being built are precisely zero. A nuclear power plant isn't generally considered to be beneficial to local house prices.
    Small reactors. The sort of thing that fits in a smallish attack submarine. I'm very much in favour, from the little we know atm, and especially if they don't use highly-enriched uranium.

    https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232

    Anybody with half a brain can see that linear tv is dying. As the likes of Netflix's hits with Squid Game, Queen's Gambit etc etc etc, if you make a really good show, people will find it on your streaming service. The idea that you need a dedicated linear channel, which you fill the overwhelming amount with repeats and absolute low end crap, is bonkers.

    You don't need a dedicated channel in order to get yourself a hit show with da yuff. You just need to make a good show.
    It is, but it is typical of the thinking of the BBC.

    They just don’t change with the times. They never have.

    They still expect to raise money via the license fee which is neither popular nor tenable for the future.

    The BBC needs to grasp the nettle, look at what the future will be like and change to suit. Not just expect things to stay the same.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,300
    Hungarian elections today. Not feeling very optimistic, but there's always a chance Orban will be defeated, some polls have it quite close.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    edited April 2022
    kinabalu said:

    I think it's your Scotland views where you lose the plot. Otherwise, true blue Tory with a trad bent and polling every day for breakfast.

    And one (imo) very positive thing about you I'd like to put on record having noticed - an absence of brutish, simple simon interventions on 'trans'.
    Thanks. There is too much increasingly personal abuse on this site now from a minority of posters.

    They are not actually interested in discussing issues or politics or polls just personal vendetta. It is becoming tedious and the site is becoming duller as a result.

    Some like Charles have already left because it got too personal about them. Others will no doubt follow unless it ends
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,129

    Admirable, but never usually a hindrance on PB. Just witness the number of military geniuses we suddenly have.
    Show me one poster who claims to be a 'military genius'.

    Mostly we just have people trying to make sense of a complex situation. The great thing about this site is often when someone gets something wrong, someone with more knowledge pops up to politely correct them. And we all learn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Talking of tv, Slow Horses on Apple+ starring Gary Oldman, seems very promising. Its the sort of show that would be at home on the BBC.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Admirable, but never usually a hindrance on PB. Just witness the number of military geniuses we suddenly have.
    Yes, it does behove one to be cautious in one's assertions. Though there are a number of clear examples in Scots to English (Burns for instance) but not much more so perhaps than many a rustic English person especially furth of the home counties.

    I wonder a little that nobody has suggested rhetoric as an art - or David Lloyd George. He certainly had a skill in his second language.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,753
    edited April 2022
    kjh said:

    Honestly you really don't read or worse understand anyone's posts do you. I mean what are you talking about. I can't think how to respond to your post because it makes no sense whatsoever. I don't object to Nick's posts at all, or want to stop him and in fact tend to agree with most of his posts. One of my favourite posters.

    It is noticeable that you often don't understand posts.
    FFS, can't you just let go? We get that you don't like HYUFD's views. I'm not so keen on most (or all?) of them, but it doesn't bother me, and the site would be poorer without him.

    As it happens, there are a small number of other posters whose views I do find really obnoxious. Guess what? Nobody would know. Why? Because I just ignore them.
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    kinabalu said:

    I think it's your Scotland views where you lose the plot. Otherwise, true blue Tory with a trad bent and polling every day for breakfast.

    And one (imo) very positive thing about you I'd like to put on record having noticed - an absence of brutish, simple simon interventions on 'trans'.
    I read it partly as an attempt at dark humour TBH and people need to lighten up a bit about that. On the other hand he does take the British Monarchy, Northern Irish loyalism and arguably religion far too seriously IMO.

    Overall he is still a much better and more pleasant poster than others on here and still gives a relatively dispassionate view of Lab, Con and LD electoral fortunes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,030
    .

    Why get excited ?

    A country with an economy just slightly bigger than Spain's has invaded its neighbour. It's using its circa 4% of world GDP to threaten economic consequences on countries with over 50% of world GDP.

    Meanwhile it has trashed the prospects of its main money earners - energy, arms and metals - and is on its way to an unhappy economic stagnation. Add in its military reputation has imploded and politically it is heading to be a vassal of China and it is a country that needs a serious rethink.
    I think Robert made just this point last year, well before they invaded Ukraine, when he said Russia didn’t represent much of a threat anymore because it was economically insignificant.

    You’re right that the invasion will be massively costly, perhaps disastrous for Russia. But they still retain the military capacity to do great damage, not to mention the planet’s largest nuclear arsenal.

    Oil revenues probably give them another decade at least where they are effectively immune to outside persuasion by economic means, even if sanctions can wreak economic damage.

    It could become a dependency of China, in a similar manner to North Korea. That’s not the same thing as a vassal.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    I read it partly as an attempt at dark humour TBH and people need to lighten up a bit about that. On the other hand he does take the British Monarchy, Northern Irish loyalism and arguably religion far too seriously IMO.

    Overall he is still a much better and more pleasant poster than others on here and still gives a relatively dispassionate view of Lab, Con and LD electoral fortunes.

    I read it partly as an attempt at dark humour TBH and people need to lighten up a bit about that. On the other hand he does take the British Monarchy, Northern Irish loyalism and arguably religion far too seriously IMO.

    Overall he is still a much better and more pleasant poster than others on here and still gives a relatively dispassionate view of Lab, Con and LD electoral fortunes.
    Northern Irish loyalism, to any Tory, IS the same thing as Scottish Unionism, though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,129
    "Ukrainian airborne assault troops in control of Pripyat town and parts of state border between Belarus and Ukraine"

    https://twitter.com/UkraineNewsUK/status/1510568077167140869
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,232
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399
    HYUFD said:

    I don't condemn people for their views and say they are not entitled to hold them unlike you.

    Expressing what makes you a committed, ideological Conservative is another matter entirely
    Nobody is saying you can't hold your views and you should come here to express them, but we have every right to condemn them also.

    And you deluded if you think you are a typical conservative. You aren't thank goodness.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399
    HYUFD said:

    I don't condemn people for their views and say they are not entitled to hold them unlike you.

    Expressing what makes you a committed, ideological Conservative is another matter entirely
    Nobody is saying you can't hold your views and you should come here to express them, but we have every right to condemn them also.

    And you deluded if you think you are a typical conservative. You aren't thank goodness.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252

    Talking of tv, Slow Horses on Apple+ starring Gary Oldman, seems very promising. Its the sort of show the BBC used to make.

    Hearing very good things about it, but not yet seen.

    BTW, watched Ken Branagh's "Death on the Nile" last night. Just, why, Ken, why? Everything about it was far inferior to the David Suchet TV version of 2004.

    The only interesting thing was a very nuanced performance by Russell Brand as the Doctor.

    Give it a miss.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,753
    edited April 2022
    Taz said:
    Hardly surprising, when you have a criminal at No. 10.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Taz said:

    It is, but it is typical of the thinking of the BBC.

    They just don’t change with the times. They never have.

    They still expect to raise money via the license fee which is neither popular nor tenable for the future.

    The BBC needs to grasp the nettle, look at what the future will be like and change to suit. Not just expect things to stay the same.
    "They never have." Oh, really? Like I was watching TV last night and found that the chap reading the news was in evening dress, there was only one channel, it was black and white, and they shut down at 11 pm with the National Anthem?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    I think it's your Scotland views where you lose the plot. Otherwise, true blue Tory with a trad bent and polling every day for breakfast.

    And one (imo) very positive thing about you I'd like to put on record having noticed - an absence of brutish, simple simon interventions on 'trans'.
    Naah, gonna have to show you thee red card there. Who actualy are you talking about? Because nobody who makes that accusation ever makes it good. Nobody here is "anti trans," that's just a hypothetical hate category, like saboteurs in Stalin's Russia. There's a certain amount of brutish simplicity in my proposed NO DICK spaces, but that doesn't make the proposal wrong.

    The fact that I think the UK anti-apartheid movement was a load of posturing virtue-signalling wankers does not, while I am at it, mean that I am secretly in favour of racial segregation.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550

    Yes, it was a real shame. He was an outstandingly good poster but had this peculiar fixation with the holocaust.

    It's in the nature of the Site though that people come and go for all sorts of reasons. I miss the departed - Charles, Tpfkar, Augus Carp and many others - but there is no shortage of replacements and it helps to keep the discussion fresh, and its character changing.

    My highly subjective impression is that the Site is as good now as it has ever been in terms of overall quality and range of expression. Mike must be doing something right.
    Yes, the mix of longtermers, transients, the waxing and waning of individuals, the rebirths and rebadges and flounces, it's all good imo. And of course another integral part of the mix is people disagreeing with this and saying it *isn't* all good, that it'd be better if ... etc etc.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited April 2022
    Taz said:
    "shock internal Conservative party polling"....those doing public polling have said they haven't seen this. So caveat emptor.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252
    Oryx now has Russia losing 2,300 confirmed pieces of kit, including 395 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
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