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  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773

    Well well

    Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich suffered symptoms of suspected poisoning at talks in Kyiv earlier this month, his spokesperson says.

    The Chelsea FC owner - who has now recovered - reportedly suffered sore eyes and skin peeling.

    Two Ukrainian peace negotiators were also reported to have been affected.

    The Wall Street Journal reported claims the alleged poisoning was orchestrated by hardliners in Russia who wanted to sabotage the talks.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60904676

    Interesting - so my guess that someone inside Russia was trying to sabotage the talks for being too successful, looking possible....
    Now, if that someone wasn't Putin.....nah, must be Putin. He controls everything there.

    But, if it isn't..... better check your door handles, Vlad.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 billion.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Terrible.
    Who will think of the multi-billionaires?
    Let them eat bread.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    My point is simply that countries have trade disputes with each other. It’s not necessarily, as you leaped to conclude, the continuation of war by other means.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 billion.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Terrible.
    Who will think of the multi-billionaires?
    Let them eat bread.
    A range of breads, even.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    Also, unless he has or realistically aspires to a net worth of $100 million +, why the concern for the interests of his insect overlords?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    Still a wealth tax
    Dear me, how will they be able to pay it
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    HYUFD levels of shifting the goalposts, well done.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    I would certainly add Indonesia to that list if one thinks in terms of vital shipping lanes.

    The map on this site is almost hypnotizing:

    https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/worlds-busiest-shipping-lanes/
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 billion.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Terrible.
    Who will think of the multi-billionaires?
    Let them eat bread.
    A range of breads, even.
    Unless the naughty tinker who edited million to billion owns up, the whole site will be kept in.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    Also, unless he has or realistically aspires to a net worth of $100 million +, why the concern for the interests of his insect overlords?
    Conservatives believe in tax cuts for the rich, the middle and the poor.

    The Democrats and the left want to raise taxes on the rich to fund an expansion of government
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,202
    On Topic. I am not the only PBer got on Melenchon for run off, I am sure both Smithsons did as well. Nor am I the only one who weeks ago suggested Macron could lose, because of his domestic policies out of step with the electorate, but a great many PBers did scoff at that.

    The size of Macron’s win last time owed quite a bit to being unknown in policy position, which led to the votes for the other challengers not being shared, many abstaining in second round. To be comfortable he needs a similar thing this time, the anti macron vote coalescing around a challenger this time wouldn’t need much swing from Macron to bury him.

    The French election campaign only officially began today. On the official start date in 2017, May was how far ahead of Corbyn in polls?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    It’s levied on income.
    Why wouldn’t they pay it out of their income?

    Don’t dig yourself on this one, HYUFD.
    You are even wronger than usual.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    You need to think in terms of consequences on world bond markets of default, and therefore you need to add Italy to the list.

    Still doesn't quite take you to 20 mind.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    Andy_JS said:
    Seeing as there is a global crisis/war it is astonishing that a Conservative government is not 10 points ahead, rather than 3 points behind. Most sensible people now realise Johnson is a clown. He needs to go.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2022
    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,281

    TimT said:

    After this news of poisoning peace negotiators, I doubt old Macron will be taking any more trips to Moscow to meet Putin....

    Putin is going to blame it on the US-sponsored bioweapons labs in Ukraine
    Tonight on Tucker Carlson.....we exclusively reveal that....
    BTW did you notice that Chris Wallace has left Fox for . . . wait for it . . . CNN.

    Which this little Tucker and his like being the reason.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    TimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    I would certainly add Indonesia to that list if one thinks in terms of vital shipping lanes.

    The map on this site is almost hypnotizing:

    https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/worlds-busiest-shipping-lanes/
    I left off Indonesia, because it’s foreign policy outlook is pretty quiescent. It could choose to “matter”. For vaguely similar reasons, I left off Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa and Mexico.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    edited March 2022

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    Well all the top 10 by GDP are in that list and the G20 (apart from Italy which you should have added).

    It is the next 10 that is a bit more open to debate
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    I'm appalled.
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    My point is simply that countries have trade disputes with each other. It’s not necessarily, as you leaped to conclude, the continuation of war by other means.
    I do not think of it in terms of war, that is going on in Russia, but it is not in the spirit of improving relationships but as others say, trade disputes happen all the time
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    Good
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,202
    edited March 2022

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    HYUFD levels of shifting the goalposts, well done.
    When I am PM I will calculate when push comes to shove everyone will stick up for their own business and workers not mine, so I won’t entirely trust a single “close ally”. But I will keep them close and play along though, for chances of getting best possible concessions out of them.

    Much like when people go into work and make out they are everybody’s friend for self interest purposes, without actually liking them. That’s the right thing to do. Wish I done it that way when I went to school.

    When I was at school and taller than most and had a gang, I used to like bullying people, like a Peaky Blinder gets off on it. That was the wrong approach and not sensibly in self interest too.
  • ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
    Seems a bit harsh on Sherlock Holmes.
    Harsh indeed, but elementary.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,601
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    Look on the bright side they've still got the other 80%.
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    HYUFD levels of shifting the goalposts, well done.
    Difference is I have a source

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-us-trade-chiefs-meet-tuesday-steel-tariffs-source-2022-03-22/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,660

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
    Seems a bit harsh on Sherlock Holmes.
    Harsh indeed, but elementary.
    He has to pay watson of a b***** in the IRS dreamed up? I'm betting that won't be particularly elementary.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,128
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Breaking news: It's raining in Los Angeles!

    Sadly, it's not snowing here in Olympic Valley.
    Chance of snow in London on Thursday!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    edited March 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
    I simply can’t wait to do my tax return next year.
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    HYUFD levels of shifting the goalposts, well done.
    Difference is I have a source

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-us-trade-chiefs-meet-tuesday-steel-tariffs-source-2022-03-22/
    But you didn't answer the question posed by Gardenwalker.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,200
    rcs1000 said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
    Yes, do you get a refund for unrealised losses?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
    I simply can’t wait to do my tax return next year.
    Yeah, Brits don't know how lucky they are in that respect.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,128
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    How "rich" are you, @HYUFD, just out of interest?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,251
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
    Yes, do you get a refund for unrealised losses?
    Exactly.

    And how do you measure it for private companies? Or for businesses (like partnerships) which will never be sold?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,235
    TimT said:

    @ NickPxMP "39 per cent of the French population would like an unelected strongman in charge." WTAF?

    People don't like thinking about difficult things and look for someone who can provide simple, black & white answers instead.

    Indeed,

    And I doubt the 39% would all agree on who the unelected strongman should be.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
    Yes, do you get a refund for unrealised losses?
    Yes, the marriage deduction.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,200
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
    Yes, do you get a refund for unrealised losses?
    Exactly.

    And how do you measure it for private companies? Or for businesses (like partnerships) which will never be sold?
    Yes, at what multiple of earnings will they be valued?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    TimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    I would certainly add Indonesia to that list if one thinks in terms of vital shipping lanes.

    The map on this site is almost hypnotizing:

    https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/worlds-busiest-shipping-lanes/
    It is good but also slightly weird: occasionally a ship sails straight across a country. Spain appears to be particularly navigable.
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The EU filed a dispute against the U.K. at the World Trade Organization on Monday over Britain’s alleged discriminatory support for green energy projects

    https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1508484446365925387

    Hmmm... Germany offered the most generous green energy terms in the world for renewables with the solar FIT, so I'm not entirely sure they're in a position to throw stones.
    No, the EU is our ally. The WTO must be wrong, this claim against us can't have been filed. One day people will realise the EU isn't our informal ally and we can't trust them.
    Do you think the US ceased being our ally when they maintained steel sanctions against us?
    The tariffs are being lifted and the US - UK have not been closer for years
    HYUFD levels of shifting the goalposts, well done.
    Difference is I have a source

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-us-trade-chiefs-meet-tuesday-steel-tariffs-source-2022-03-22/
    But you didn't answer the question posed by Gardenwalker.
    He didn’t ask me the question but yes, Ukraine has re-established the special relationship
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,202
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
    I think the key thing in mind for comparisons, US don’t have a centrally controlled Stalinist system of government like UK, but more power to the local people and local (state) government structures. Example like, what year did UK have minimum wage versus year US had it, some states had it but not all states arguably had it long before UK? So that centralised versus un centralised democracy and spending power actually murders before birth many other comparisons we would try to make?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    How "rich" are you, @HYUFD, just out of interest?
    It's all about inheritance that must not be taxed as it is a tax free entitlement
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interesting thread:

    What do we definitely know about #Russian military casualties in #Ukraine? BBC in-depth research of verified military losses found some interesting tendencies \1

    https://twitter.com/oivshina/status/1508478951995420675
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,670

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    There was some controversy on the unrealised gains part a while back and Elon Musk did a Twitter poll as to whether he should sell some of his shares on the back of it. He did.

    Since then share prices of growth stocks have taken a battering. Quite how it would work taxing people on unrealised assets that then fall remains to be seen. Seems a bonkers idea.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,128

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    How "rich" are you, @HYUFD, just out of interest?
    It's all about inheritance that must not be taxed as it is a tax free entitlement
    He's just a poor boy from a poor family?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    edited March 2022

    TimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    I would certainly add Indonesia to that list if one thinks in terms of vital shipping lanes.

    The map on this site is almost hypnotizing:

    https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/worlds-busiest-shipping-lanes/
    I left off Indonesia, because it’s foreign policy outlook is pretty quiescent. It could choose to “matter”. For vaguely similar reasons, I left off Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa and Mexico.
    Yep, that same thought crossed my mind. At some moments, it has chosen to matter, but for now it is quite quiet.

    But that does beg the question, does a wheel only matter once it starts squeaking?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,603
    Another terrible Poll for Starmer SKS fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    45m
    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Boris Johnson: 38% (–)
    Keir Starmer: 33% (-3)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,670

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    How "rich" are you, @HYUFD, just out of interest?
    https://youtu.be/U8Kum8OUTuk
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Taz said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    There was some controversy on the unrealised gains part a while back and Elon Musk did a Twitter poll as to whether he should sell some of his shares on the back of it. He did.

    Since then share prices of growth stocks have taken a battering. Quite how it would work taxing people on unrealised assets that then fall remains to be seen. Seems a bonkers idea.
    It does seem a rather odd way to structure a tax, although it's certainly true that there is plenty of scope to tax the very rich in the US a lot more without giving rise to damaging economic consequences.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    TimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    I would certainly add Indonesia to that list if one thinks in terms of vital shipping lanes.

    The map on this site is almost hypnotizing:

    https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/worlds-busiest-shipping-lanes/
    As the world’s third most populous democracy and largest Muslim majority country it certainly “matters”. While GardenWalker is correct that it doesn’t have an assertive foreign policy they have been doing more via ASEAN.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,603
    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    TimT said:

    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    And still saying "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
    Yes, do you get a refund for unrealised losses?
    Exactly.

    And how do you measure it for private companies? Or for businesses (like partnerships) which will never be sold?
    Yes, at what multiple of earnings will they be valued?
    Not difficult. Taxman says x, taxpayer says less than x, taxman says OK how much less than x? bearing in mind I have the right to buy off you at the price you name.

    Also I am unconvinced by the whole "realised gain" thing. Pragmatically it makes sense to tax assets on "realisation" cos that's the one time people can't claim they are short of readies, but in priciple wealth is assets, not "realised" assets, and a wealth tax is allowed to reflect that
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    Taz said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    There was some controversy on the unrealised gains part a while back and Elon Musk did a Twitter poll as to whether he should sell some of his shares on the back of it. He did.

    Since then share prices of growth stocks have taken a battering. Quite how it would work taxing people on unrealised assets that then fall remains to be seen. Seems a bonkers idea.
    Can't see the problem. If the assets fall in value the owners pay less or no tax the following year.

  • Andrew Neil @afneil

    Zelenskyy on Johnson: much keener than Macron to send military support. “Johnson is a leader who is helping more. The leaders of countries react according to how their constituents act. In this case, Johnson is an example. Britain is definitely on our side.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,466

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    It is to the extent that wealthy households not paying 20% of their income in tax will have to pay this top up instead out of their assets and capital to get to the 20% tax

    https://www.ft.com/content/4b60898d-00c2-4f1e-acad-8a210120153f
    How "rich" are you, @HYUFD, just out of interest?
    He does take a very great interest in IHT, but then we can safely say he's not a terraced house owner in Hartlepool (much as I have enjoyed my visits there).
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    TimT said:

    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    And still saying "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"....
    Last update I saw said he had another 175 Russian losses to record......
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,410

    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.

    There are about a million unemployed people in the UK.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,023
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.

    There are about a million unemployed people in the UK.
    Of which a substantial proportion are unemployable.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    tlg86 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.

    There are about a million unemployed people in the UK.
    Of which a substantial proportion are unemployable.
    Or are simply between jobs.

    UK has low unemployment (and high employment participation) by global standards.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    MrEd said:

    TimT said:

    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    And still saying "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"....
    Last update I saw said he had another 175 Russian losses to record......
    You have to wonder what proportion of Russia's working kit actually rumbled over the Ukrainian border. There's got to be a chance it was perhaps most of what actually works in the western half of Russia.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,158
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion.

    It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.


    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1508487590982430729

    Angling to get it chucked out of the G20?

    Although it is worth noting that the G20 is not the twenty largest economies in the world for reasons which are not entirely clear to me, so despite the fact that Spain is 14th, it doesn't get to be a member.
    I think the reasons are geopolitical. The G7 is entirely western-minded (squinting a little to include Japan there). So some new body was deemed necessary to look at the socioeconomic/ political issues globally which could include the largest economies of each major geographical region and political grouping. Africa is, of course, underrepresented with just RSA and the Arab world with just KSA.
    Africa is overrepresented in economic terms though as not a single African nation is yet in the largest 20 economies. In actual fact too Nigeria has a slightly bigger economy than South Africa
    There are only about 20 countries in the world that “matter”, and it correlates with GDP only a bit.

    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    UK
    France
    Germany
    Russia
    Turkey
    Israel
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    India
    China
    South Korea
    Japan
    Australia
    I would certainly add Indonesia to that list if one thinks in terms of vital shipping lanes.

    The map on this site is almost hypnotizing:

    https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/worlds-busiest-shipping-lanes/
    I left off Indonesia, because it’s foreign policy outlook is pretty quiescent. It could choose to “matter”. For vaguely similar reasons, I left off Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa and Mexico.
    Yep, that same thought crossed my mind. At some moments, it has chosen to matter, but for now it is quite quiet.

    But that does beg the question, does a wheel only matter once it starts squeaking?
    Other countries that conceivably could make it on to the list, with reasons:

    Switzerland - as home of much of the world's geopolitically-connected wealth
    Qatar - for Al Jazeera, its hydrocarbon reserves and the sheer depth of its resources to fund conflict
    Singapore - as the lynchpin of trade in the Far East
    Pakistan - the only nuclear armed Muslim state
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,158

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    Russia’s threat to withdraw energy supplies from the EU is most interesting.

    I feel like both sides think the other is bluffing.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,064
    edited March 2022
    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Not according to this

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies

    Boris Johnson leads Rishi Sunak by the widest margin since 18 Oct 2021.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Boris Johnson: 37% (+2)
    Rishi Sunak: 28% (-5)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar

    Or this

    Lowest % of 2019 Cons voters who say Sunak over Johnson since 31 May 2021.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Rishi Sunak: 20% (-6)
    Boris Johnson: 61% (+3)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,659
    Evening all :)

    Good to see the lighter evenings just in time for winter - apparently.

    Reviewing the weekend's elections - in Malta, the incumbent Labour Party won a clear re-election polling just over 55% with the Nationalists just short of 42%. Some changes to the Maltese Parliament mean it's not as simple as how many seats you win:

    https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/election-2022/115994/pn_awarded_two_extra_seats_through_proportional_mechanism#.YkH1W-fMKUk

    Basically, Labour won on the day 39-26 but the Nationalists will get two extra seats to make it more proportional and then more seats will be added to create a stronger gender balance which will end up with Labour ahead 45-34.

    In Saarland, the Greens missed the cut by some 300 votes meaning both they, the FDP and Linke all lost representation. This left the SPD on 29 seats, CDU on 19 and Alternative on 3. It's the first absolute majority since the CDU won 27 seats in 2004 and the first SPD majority since Oskar Lafontaine won in 1990.

    The election bandwagon rolls into the Balkans in April with Slovenia voting at the end of the month and Serbia voting this Sunday. In 2020, the SNS Coalition (known as "Together We Can Do Everything" which is led by the Serbian Democratic Party, the Party of President Aleksandar Vucic who is also seeking re-election on Sunday) won 188 of the 250 seats in the National Assembly in a massive landslide (though a number of parties boycotted the poll).

    Currently, 243 of the 250 National Assembly members support the Government.

    The opposition is now called United Serbia and came together in November last year. It's broadly centrist and contains a dozen parties of various shapes, sizes and platforms. It's broadly centrist and the key players are the centre-Left Party of Freedom and Justice and the centrist Democratic Party.

    Moramo is the Green party. Socialist Party/United Serbia supports the Government.

    The latest poll as follows:

    SNS Coalition: 44.7% (-19.8)
    United Serbia: 20.1% (new)
    Moramo: 5.8% (new)
    Socialist Party/United Serbia: 5.7% (-4.7)
    National Democratic Alternative (NADA): 3.3% (-1.6)
    Enough is Enough/Healthy Serbia: 3.1% (-0.2)
    Serbian Party Oathkeepers: 3.0% (+1.6)

    There is a 3% threshold to enter the National Assembly. It looks as though Vucic and his coalition will be returned but with a significant reduction in their majority and United Serbia forming a strong opposition block.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Putin just keeps on winning. Everywhere except Ukraine.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,158
    MrEd said:

    TimT said:

    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    And still saying "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"....
    Last update I saw said he had another 175 Russian losses to record......
    The attrition rate is such that if the Ukrainians weren't losing kit at a reasonable whack too (though apparently less quickly than Russia) you might expect the fightback to start gathering pace quite quickly. A constant rate of losses to a diminishing stock, plus what must surely be a very tired and sleep-deprived army, points to some kind of tipping point. Unless Ukraine is stretched beyond what we realise (which is possible).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    edited March 2022
    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Johnson’s undoubtedly enjoying a Ukraine bounce, whether I like it or not.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,158

    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Not according to this

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies

    Boris Johnson leads Rishi Sunak by the widest margin since 18 Oct 2021.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Boris Johnson: 37% (+2)
    Rishi Sunak: 28% (-5)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar

    Or this

    Lowest % of 2019 Cons voters who say Sunak over Johnson since 31 May 2021.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Rishi Sunak: 20% (-6)
    Boris Johnson: 61% (+3)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar
    Of course, it can't be the glorious generosity of Sunak. It must be the stunning professionalism and competence of our serious minded PM.
  • I would suggest that in this poll tonight (Redfield Wilton) evidence shows just how much Rishi has damaged his reputation but also for those interested in Boris's survival he looks as certain as has been for a long time to be leading into GE 24, unless he decides to stand down post a Ukraine peace deal
  • MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The proposed Biden tax on the super-rich seems, if the Guardian article is accurate, to be a tax on both realised and unrealised capital gains:

    “In 2021 alone, America’s more than 700 billionaires saw their wealth increase by $1tn, yet in a typical year, billionaires like these would pay just 8% of their total realized and unrealized income in taxes. A firefighter or teacher can pay double that tax rate,” the White House factsheet notes.

    Under the plan households worth more than $100m would have to give detailed accounts to the Internal Revenue Service of how their assets had fared over the year. Those who pay less than 20% on those gains would then be subject to an additional tax that would take their rate up to 20%.


    So it's neither a wealth tax nor an income tax.

    Devil in the detail, of course. I wonder what if anything they propose for carrying forward losses?

    Taxing unrealised gains is a slightly dangerous game.
    Yes, do you get a refund for unrealised losses?
    When I worked for a Life and Pensions company between 1997 and 2005, yes, that was how it worked.
    Every New Year, we would run a "deemed disposal" process to notionally sell off all the unit trusts and then immediately notionally buy them all back. Any gains in the previous 12 months would be taxed, and units sold in the market for real to pay the tax. If the market had fallen over the 12 months, then the process worked the other way.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    MrEd said:

    TimT said:

    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    And still saying "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"....
    Last update I saw said he had another 175 Russian losses to record......
    Tank losses have been at about 15% of all losses, indicating perhaps another 30 or so still to be added. So say 350 lost - 900 still to find a home for an NLAW or a Javelin.

  • Russia’s threat to withdraw energy supplies from the EU is most interesting.

    I feel like both sides think the other is bluffing.

    One of the most serious games of bluff for a very long time
  • TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Not according to this

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies

    Boris Johnson leads Rishi Sunak by the widest margin since 18 Oct 2021.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Boris Johnson: 37% (+2)
    Rishi Sunak: 28% (-5)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar

    Or this

    Lowest % of 2019 Cons voters who say Sunak over Johnson since 31 May 2021.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better PM for the UK? (27 Mar)

    Rishi Sunak: 20% (-6)
    Boris Johnson: 61% (+3)

    Changes +/- 20 Mar
    Of course, it can't be the glorious generosity of Sunak. It must be the stunning professionalism and competence of our serious minded PM.
    On this data both going in opposite directions
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,932

    I would suggest that in this poll tonight (Redfield Wilton) evidence shows just how much Rishi has damaged his reputation but also for those interested in Boris's survival he looks as certain as has been for a long time to be leading into GE 24, unless he decides to stand down post a Ukraine peace deal

    I still think there will be a moment of danger when the met finish their work and the full Sue Gray report emerges.
    There is a lot of visceral anger about the parties while you couldn’t see dying relatives.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Good to see the lighter evenings just in time for winter - apparently.

    Reviewing the weekend's elections - in Malta, the incumbent Labour Party won a clear re-election polling just over 55% with the Nationalists just short of 42%. Some changes to the Maltese Parliament mean it's not as simple as how many seats you win:

    https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/election-2022/115994/pn_awarded_two_extra_seats_through_proportional_mechanism#.YkH1W-fMKUk

    Basically, Labour won on the day 39-26 but the Nationalists will get two extra seats to make it more proportional and then more seats will be added to create a stronger gender balance which will end up with Labour ahead 45-34.

    In Saarland, the Greens missed the cut by some 300 votes meaning both they, the FDP and Linke all lost representation. This left the SPD on 29 seats, CDU on 19 and Alternative on 3. It's the first absolute majority since the CDU won 27 seats in 2004 and the first SPD majority since Oskar Lafontaine won in 1990.

    The election bandwagon rolls into the Balkans in April with Slovenia voting at the end of the month and Serbia voting this Sunday. In 2020, the SNS Coalition (known as "Together We Can Do Everything" which is led by the Serbian Democratic Party, the Party of President Aleksandar Vucic who is also seeking re-election on Sunday) won 188 of the 250 seats in the National Assembly in a massive landslide (though a number of parties boycotted the poll).

    Currently, 243 of the 250 National Assembly members support the Government.

    The opposition is now called United Serbia and came together in November last year. It's broadly centrist and contains a dozen parties of various shapes, sizes and platforms. It's broadly centrist and the key players are the centre-Left Party of Freedom and Justice and the centrist Democratic Party.

    Moramo is the Green party. Socialist Party/United Serbia supports the Government.

    The latest poll as follows:

    SNS Coalition: 44.7% (-19.8)
    United Serbia: 20.1% (new)
    Moramo: 5.8% (new)
    Socialist Party/United Serbia: 5.7% (-4.7)
    National Democratic Alternative (NADA): 3.3% (-1.6)
    Enough is Enough/Healthy Serbia: 3.1% (-0.2)
    Serbian Party Oathkeepers: 3.0% (+1.6)

    There is a 3% threshold to enter the National Assembly. It looks as though Vucic and his coalition will be returned but with a significant reduction in their majority and United Serbia forming a strong opposition block.

    If Serbia had an election in 2020 why are they having another so soon? do elections happen every 2 years there?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,603

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Times are a changing:

    Biden to announce ‘billionaire minimum income tax’ in budget plan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/28/biden-announces-billionaire-minimum-income-tax

    20% minimum tax on household wealth of over $100 million.

    Democrats pushing tax rises on the rich as usual
    Only 20%
    It’s not even, as I understand it, a wealth tax.
    It’s an income tax that’s levied on the very very wealthy.

    The average income tax paid by these plutocrats was about 9% apparently.

    HYUFD talking out of his hat as usual.
    The US has a thing called the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is levied on those who have too many deductions.
    Seems a bit harsh on Sherlock Holmes.
    Harsh indeed, but elementary.
    I missed the news.

    What's on?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,064
    edited March 2022

    I would suggest that in this poll tonight (Redfield Wilton) evidence shows just how much Rishi has damaged his reputation but also for those interested in Boris's survival he looks as certain as has been for a long time to be leading into GE 24, unless he decides to stand down post a Ukraine peace deal

    I still think there will be a moment of danger when the met finish their work and the full Sue Gray report emerges.
    There is a lot of visceral anger about the parties while you couldn’t see dying relatives.
    It could be but if reports are to be believed most of those interviewed are denying they were at a party and that it was job related

    There is a real danger this gets caught in a series of court cases and appeals that could turn the whole issue into a circus, especially as this is no more serious than a parking fine in criminal terms
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165

    Russia’s threat to withdraw energy supplies from the EU is most interesting.

    I feel like both sides think the other is bluffing.

    One of the most serious games of bluff for a very long time
    Personally I think the EU will refuse Russia’s demands. Cue Europe-wide recession.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,526
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.

    There are about a million unemployed people in the UK.
    A friend has recently started a job in a large hotel chain. It isn't a local hotel to us, so she has to travel. After a few days, a manager changed the shift patterns without telling her, then said she should have been told by the other staff - except she's new, so they didn't have her number (*). This was after she drove down to the job, to be told she was not working that day. She complained, and got a foul-mouthed text in response. From her manager.

    She is going to chuck the job. Apparently they have trouble with staff retention. I wonder why?

    I'd sort-of assumed there would be an online shift register at these places, that the staff could check. Apparently there is not, even in a large chain. It is all done by word-of-mouth from the manager.

    Makes the Brittas Empire sound like a documentary...

    (*) Are there data protection implications to staff having each other's numbers?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,165
    edited March 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.

    There are about a million unemployed people in the UK.
    A friend has recently started a job in a large hotel chain. It isn't a local hotel to us, so she has to travel. After a few days, a manager changed the shift patterns without telling her, then said she should have been told by the other staff - except she's new, so they didn't have her number (*). This was after she drove down to the job, to be told she was not working that day. She complained, and got a foul-mouthed text in response. From her manager.

    She is going to chuck the job. Apparently they have trouble with staff retention. I wonder why?

    I'd sort-of assumed there would be an online shift register at these places, that the staff could check. Apparently there is not, even in a large chain. It is all done by word-of-mouth from the manager.

    Makes the Brittas Empire sound like a documentary...

    (*) Are there data protection implications to staff having each other's numbers?
    My prejudice is that too many UK employers are still like this. That hotel chain obviously doesn’t deserve your friend as an employee.
  • Russia’s threat to withdraw energy supplies from the EU is most interesting.

    I feel like both sides think the other is bluffing.

    One of the most serious games of bluff for a very long time
    Personally I think the EU will refuse Russia’s demands. Cue Europe-wide recession.
    It has the potential for a very serious situation
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Johnson’s undoubtedly enjoying a Ukraine bounce, whether I like it or not.
    Yes he has, but the point is, it hasn't got him above water. From where he was this time last year this should be a 40 point lead.

    Plus, it won't last
  • IshmaelZ said:

    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Johnson’s undoubtedly enjoying a Ukraine bounce, whether I like it or not.
    Yes he has, but the point is, it hasn't got him above water. From where he was this time last year this should be a 40 point lead.

    Plus, it won't last
    40 point lead, now that would be some achievement !!!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,539
    "Rishi Sunak dismissed calls for more help to alleviate the cost of living crisis today, saying his priority now was cutting taxes and getting public borrowing under control."

    Mail Online.

    We are well past peak Sunak now. He may well become leader, but he will be deeply deeply unpopular with the public soon.

    Fiddling will Rome burns comes to mind.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341

    TimT said:

    Oryx's confirmed Russian equipment losses have gone over 2000 today, with the tank losses (318) now at more than 25% of the initial estimate of 1250 tanks.

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    And still saying "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"....
    Latest backlog I saw mentioned was around 175 items.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    Came close to failure today. Had two other letters that could have replaced the first letter, so luck only that I got it:
    Wordle 282 6/6*

    ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟩⬜⬜
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    ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,064
    edited March 2022

    "Rishi Sunak dismissed calls for more help to alleviate the cost of living crisis today, saying his priority now was cutting taxes and getting public borrowing under control."

    Mail Online.

    We are well past peak Sunak now. He may well become leader, but he will be deeply deeply unpopular with the public soon.

    Fiddling will Rome burns comes to mind.

    There is evidence in tonight's Redfield Wilton poll of his popularity

    Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak’s net approval rating stands at +1%, his lowest net approval rating to date. 34% say they approve of Rishi Sunak’s job performance (down 2%), while 33% disapprove (no change).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,922
    I see that the EU is fiddling around with the electricity market, of which we are a part.

    But there's a ferrets in sacks kerfuffle, mainly between the north and the south.

    Impact on UK? Something but not sure.

    There's talk about decoupling gas and electricity prices.

    https://euobserver.com/climate/154602
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341

    Russia’s threat to withdraw energy supplies from the EU is most interesting.

    I feel like both sides think the other is bluffing.

    One of the most serious games of bluff for a very long time
    Personally I think the EU will refuse Russia’s demands. Cue Europe-wide recession.
    Or a mild down tick in economic activity as Western ingenuity finds a work around far faster than anyone imagined.

    But, then, I am an optimist. Just call me Dr Panglos
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,539

    "Rishi Sunak dismissed calls for more help to alleviate the cost of living crisis today, saying his priority now was cutting taxes and getting public borrowing under control."

    Mail Online.

    We are well past peak Sunak now. He may well become leader, but he will be deeply deeply unpopular with the public soon.

    Fiddling will Rome burns comes to mind.

    There is evidence in tonight's Redfield Wilton poll of his popularity

    Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak’s net approval rating stands at +1%, his lowest net approval rating to date. 34% say they approve of Rishi Sunak’s job performance (down 2%), while 33% disapprove (no change).
    He is only going one way on the popularity front after his tin-eared disaster of a budget.

    Totally out of touch.

    I see the Mail has also found photo of him wandering around Westminster yesterday in £350 trainers that Kayne West wears.

    I suppose at least he was working on a sunday.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting BBC coverage of the reopening of Gatwick South Terminal - some are struggling to find the staff to fill all their vacancies.

    There are about a million unemployed people in the UK.
    A friend has recently started a job in a large hotel chain. It isn't a local hotel to us, so she has to travel. After a few days, a manager changed the shift patterns without telling her, then said she should have been told by the other staff - except she's new, so they didn't have her number (*). This was after she drove down to the job, to be told she was not working that day. She complained, and got a foul-mouthed text in response. From her manager.

    She is going to chuck the job. Apparently they have trouble with staff retention. I wonder why?

    I'd sort-of assumed there would be an online shift register at these places, that the staff could check. Apparently there is not, even in a large chain. It is all done by word-of-mouth from the manager.

    Makes the Brittas Empire sound like a documentary...

    (*) Are there data protection implications to staff having each other's numbers?
    * Yes, definitely.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,853
    IshmaelZ said:

    TimS said:

    Lab lead down ti 2 after shittiest budget in shitty budget land

    🌹LAB: 37% (-3)
    🌳CON: 35% (=)
    🔶LDEM: 9% (-2)
    🎗️SNP: 6% (+2)
    🌱GRN: 5% (-2)
    ⚪️REF: 5% (+3)

    SKS fans please explain

    LLG combined score of 51% is the lowest for some time. Must be down to the glorious generosity of Rishi at his breathtaking wonderbudget.
    Johnson’s undoubtedly enjoying a Ukraine bounce, whether I like it or not.
    Yes he has, but the point is, it hasn't got him above water. From where he was this time last year this should be a 40 point lead.

    Plus, it won't last
    You’re assuming last year was the “true” lead rather than inflated by covid
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