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It also ignores the number of "private Russian subcontractors", which is probably another 5k dead.Leon said:
This is going to come as quite a shock to the Russian public, who have hitherto been told ‘around 500 have died’. The reality is 20 times thatTimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.
The British lost 255 servicemen in recapturing the Falkland Islands. The Russians have lost at least fifty times that number in - so far - failing to invade Ukraine.
There were - apparently - 200k troops massed on the Ukrainian borders. But front line strength will probably be more like 125k. This means that adding together killed, wounded and captured, the Russians have lost maybe a quarter of their front line troops.
Those numbers are utterly horrendous. And bear in mind, they still haven't captured Kiev or Kharkov or any city of more than about 100,000 people.
Of course, the Ukrainians have probably lost just as many. But the Ukrainian forces are at home, fighting for their country, and they outnumber the Russians vastly.0 -
And Russian military doctrine doesn't give a flying fuck about dead conscripts. Wrongly, as kamilkazani pointed out, they're gonna run out.MarqueeMark said:
Plus many of the vehicles being taken out by these NATO weapons won't have any injured....several thousand degrees explosion inside a metal box tends to be terminal.TimT said:
Typically it is higher, but a US expert was saying Russian casualties will be at a low dead/injured ratio compared to expected Western rates as they neither have the forward field hospital concept so are not getting the seriously wounded treated in the 'golden hour', nor do they have, because of logistics problems, more general medical care available for the wounded, and so many will die from infected wounds.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?0 -
Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tactics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong0 -
That would tally with the assessment of 24% of their tanks gone.rcs1000 said:
It also ignores the number of "private Russian subcontractors", which is probably another 5k dead.Leon said:
This is going to come as quite a shock to the Russian public, who have hitherto been told ‘around 500 have died’. The reality is 20 times thatTimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.
The British lost 255 servicemen in recapturing the Falkland Islands. The Russians have lost at least fifty times that number in - so far - failing to invade Ukraine.
There were - apparently - 200k troops massed on the Ukrainian borders. But front line strength will probably be more like 125k. This means that adding together killed, wounded and captured, the Russians have lost maybe a quarter of their front line troops.
Those numbers are utterly horrendous. And bear in mind, they still haven't captured Kiev or Kharkov or any city of more than about 100,000 people.
Of course, the Ukrainians have probably lost just as many. But the Ukrainian forces are at home, fighting for their country, and they outnumber the Russians vastly.
It's like we went to war and lost the Guards, the Marines and 2 Para as fighting units. In 3 weeks.0 -
There is a credible argument that dead conscripts played a major part in the collapse of the Soviet Union.JohnLilburne said:
And Russian military doctrine doesn't give a flying fuck about dead conscripts. Wrongly, as kamilkazani pointed out, they're gonna run out.MarqueeMark said:
Plus many of the vehicles being taken out by these NATO weapons won't have any injured....several thousand degrees explosion inside a metal box tends to be terminal.TimT said:
Typically it is higher, but a US expert was saying Russian casualties will be at a low dead/injured ratio compared to expected Western rates as they neither have the forward field hospital concept so are not getting the seriously wounded treated in the 'golden hour', nor do they have, because of logistics problems, more general medical care available for the wounded, and so many will die from infected wounds.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?2 -
The Ukrainians are claiming (or where 3 days ago to have captured 'about 1,000' which in compared to the number of dead Russians feels quite low, Ill suggest 2 reasons but i don't know:JosiasJessop said:
That was my first thought.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?
remember that in Afghanistan, they lost 15,000 in ten years. They have lost two-thirds of that in less than a month.
Also: it'd be interesting to know their figures for POWs captured by the Ukrainians and deserters; not that they'd release such figures...
(Actually, are these figures just for Russians, or do they include foreign troops such as the Chechens?)
Perhaps moral in Russian units is not quite as low as we think it is.
Ukrainian tactics, phatically ambushes are not typically where you have lots of prisoners.0 -
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong2 -
Resentment of London’s wealth and prosperity and how quickly it recovered post the Brown crash when other parts of the nation still hadn’t got back to where they were in 2008 was a factor I saw. Far more than its cosmopolitan nature.Gardenwalker said:
Not in itself.williamglenn said:
Is EU membership really the litmus test of cosmopolitanism?Roger said:
It has been a disaster for the country in our loss of self respect. It'll take a long time to get over that. As a country we'll never be viewed the same again. The great cosmopolitan inclusive country that made us what we thought we were was a chimera. Farage turned out to be right.Richard_Tyndall said:
If you don't remember it then you do have a very selective memory. These pages were filled with claims that it would be the end of the City and that would be a disaster for the country - often by people who had spent years previously claiming that the City was some terrible evil that needed to be brought to heel as it was a disaster for the country.Gardenwalker said:
I notice your posts often take a strange gloating style. It is quite odd and says more about you than anything else.MarqueeMark said:
We were told by Remainers - quite gleefully - that the City of London would wither on the vine, eclipsed by Paris and Frankfurt.Gardenwalker said:
Britain is already the sick man of Europe.Scott_xP said:
When Britain is once again the sick man of Europe, the "winners" of the referendum will be whining that the EU are making use of free trade and free movement to gain a competitive advantage against us...Gardenwalker said:Brexit has already significantly dented the underlying GDP growth rate, and foreign direct investment.
Although this has been masked, first by Covid, and now by supply shocks relating to the Ukraine war, it’s still there - like rust underneath the surface.
Again, it’s hidden because the day to day news is about the latest thing rather than long-term trends.
The other thing is that old people - the bedrock of the Brexit vote - are less likely to notice the impact because they don’t work and house prices have continued to rise.
Hur hur hur.....
I think most analysts expected some loss of business from London, with the business going to various places - New York as well as some European cities.
I don’t remember anyone predicting - let alone “gleefully” - that London would be eclipsed.
Not that any city has a monopoly on such things, look at what the Chinese are doing to HK’s status as an entrepôt.
But anyone who thinks animus against immigrants and London’s cosmopolitan nature was not a significant feature of Brexit is fooling themselves.0 -
It would make no sense, because slaves aren't paid a wage they want to work at.Daveyboy1961 said:
Replace the word worker with slave and read the sentence back to yourself.Fishing said:
How is it embarassing if Indian workers are allowed to provide a service for a wage they want to work at, benefiting our consumers in the process?Roger said:
As a country we're not easy to embarrass any more.ping said:Tory Britain, 2022;
“Indian agency workers hired to replace P&O Ferries crews in Dover are being paid £1.81 an hour”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60821266
The Indian agency workers aren't slaves, they are working voluntarily, doubtless for more than they'd get in similar skilled jobs back home.
We should be proud that we are helping to develop their country by providing them with employment - trade does much more for countries than aid.0 -
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair0 -
The first two would have to be major fears. Scaling up firepower meaning what? Tactical nukes might mean Europe cuts off the gas. What else? Conscription is possible but is hugely risky from Putin's point of view. Don't forget his support base is amongst older Russians. Those afraid of protesting might change their minds if the alternative is being sent to the front line.MrEd said:
You can probably add several thousand to the dead figures and multiply up the injuredrottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
One key question here- why is the Russian MoD giving these numbers given they will prove a big shock to the public? Justification for a mass scaling up of firepower? Justification for a conscription call? Or is the Russian MoD looking to undermine Putin?0 -
Well, I have got "some legal knowledge like Starmer," and he is talking about one thing (the position of the recently dismissed) while I am talking about another (introducing legislation to prevent this sort of shit in future).FrancisUrquhart said:
As noted down thread, it is telling that other than Jezza "seize the ships and nationalise them", those people with some legal knowledge like Starmer are saying it boils my blood, we need to check that sacking procedure was followed correctly and the government shouldn't give them any public contracts....and....Gardenwalker said:I am unclear why the PB Tory response to P&O Ferries is to shrug and say “that’s the way the maritime law crumbles”.
It’s one thing to deny Brexit is not to blame (fair; it seems to be only an indirect cause), it’s another to criticise the company and then just sigh and say life’s a bitch.
My presumption from such a response is that he thinks that there is limited options, because even if there was the slightest of chances the government could ban P&O from ports etc, I am pretty sure he would call for it.
It would be nice to think that virtually all PBers understood the nuts and bolts of the UK constitution in particular, and the concept of the sovereign nation in general, but keeping the faith can be difficult.
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MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
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Starmer is of course a proper lawyer. Accurate billing all the way.IshmaelZ said:
Well, I have got "some legal knowledge like Starmer," and he is talking about one thing (the position of the recently dismissed) while I am talking about another (introducing legislation to prevent this sort of shit in future).FrancisUrquhart said:
As noted down thread, it is telling that other than Jezza "seize the ships and nationalise them", those people with some legal knowledge like Starmer are saying it boils my blood, we need to check that sacking procedure was followed correctly and the government shouldn't give them any public contracts....and....Gardenwalker said:I am unclear why the PB Tory response to P&O Ferries is to shrug and say “that’s the way the maritime law crumbles”.
It’s one thing to deny Brexit is not to blame (fair; it seems to be only an indirect cause), it’s another to criticise the company and then just sigh and say life’s a bitch.
My presumption from such a response is that he thinks that there is limited options, because even if there was the slightest of chances the government could ban P&O from ports etc, I am pretty sure he would call for it.
It would be nice to think that virtually all PBers understood the nuts and bolts of the UK constitution in particular, and the concept of the sovereign nation in general, but keeping the faith can be difficult.1 -
The Ukrainian defence ministers speech today was the complete antidote to @Scott_xPLostPassword said:
Bearing in mind Russian problems with supply and communications and you can anticipate some difficulty in them counting an accurate figure. So it could yet be higher.JosiasJessop said:Then there's this claim:
"A former internal affairs minister of #Ukraine
@AvakovArsen
shared the intercepted Russian military summary for March 18: Rus. Army troops killed 12,814. Private company Liga (former Vagner) troops killed 4,451. Total number of service members killed at war in Ukraine: 17,265."
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1505961677371621379
Heard on the radio earlier that the Ukrainian defence minister was in London today, praising our support in glowing terms.
It does look as though the Trilateral Alliance between the UK, Poland and Ukraine has some real substance behind it.
I can't say that I've often felt that I've had cause to say it, but I am proud of the role that Britain, and our government, has played in supporting Ukraine.
Also, bearing in mind that this was started under PM Cameron, and continued following two changes of Prime Minister, and four or five Defence Secretaries - including disgraced security risk Gavin Williamson - then some credit is also due to the permanent civil service who would have provided continuity.
Maybe some would benefit from listening to it0 -
I am certainly uncomfortable with the same company owning both the port and the ferries running in and out of it.
That is a monopoly.
And nowt at all to do with any International Law whatsoever.2 -
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair0 -
Or some of their less extreme sectarians have moved to the UUP.HYUFD said:
Latest NI poll I can see has DUP on 19%, though either way they have still leaked votes to the TUV. Albeit less than 6 months agoGary_Burton said:https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sinn-fein-lord-hayward-elections_uk_623890d8e4b0f1e82c4c8e0b
I don't know what poll this is referring to but it gives;
SF 25%
DUP 17%
UUP 14%
Alliance 14%
SDLP 11%
This would be a calamitous result for the DUP and a pretty decent result for the UUP although I still expect Alliance to come third in seats.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/02/14/news/new-opinion-poll-puts-sinn-fe-in-in-pole-position-2588053/0 -
Since Boris's speech this forum has seen a catalogue of posters inferring we are on the sidelines which was always silly and untruercs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong1 -
As has been pointed out, you light up an AFV, no-one escapes. Not sure this is a big infantry war, not on the Russian side.BigRich said:
The Ukrainians are claiming (or where 3 days ago to have captured 'about 1,000' which in compared to the number of dead Russians feels quite low, Ill suggest 2 reasons but i don't know:JosiasJessop said:
That was my first thought.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?
remember that in Afghanistan, they lost 15,000 in ten years. They have lost two-thirds of that in less than a month.
Also: it'd be interesting to know their figures for POWs captured by the Ukrainians and deserters; not that they'd release such figures...
(Actually, are these figures just for Russians, or do they include foreign troops such as the Chechens?)
Perhaps moral in Russian units is not quite as low as we think it is.
Ukrainian tactics, phatically ambushes are not typically where you have lots of prisoners.
Of course "no quarter" is an option but it's not in the Ukrainians' interest to invoke it yet.0 -
Sounds like some additional 25,000 Russian families with questions to ask Putin.Leon said:
This is going to come as quite a shock to the Russian public, who have hitherto been told ‘around 500 have died’. The reality is 20 times thatTimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.0 -
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
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Starmer is not a moron to be fairIshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair0 -
TimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.
There is still a disparity between Russian admitted casualties and that 'leek' but here is my attempt to pece together:JosiasJessop said:Then there's this claim:
"A former internal affairs minister of #Ukraine
@AvakovArsen
shared the intercepted Russian military summary for March 18: Rus. Army troops killed 12,814. Private company Liga (former Vagner) troops killed 4,451. Total number of service members killed at war in Ukraine: 17,265."
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1505961677371621379
So if the Russians have had 17,265 killed but are only calming 9,861 killed that's an 75.1% difference.
If we use the same ratio on wounded that would be 16,153 timed 1.751 implying total of 28,284 wounded.
If we add that together with the 1000 POW Ukraine clamed to have taken:
Killed: 17,265
Wounded: 28,284
POW: 1,000
Total: 46,549
Maybe that's not accurate, will we ever find out. but that's a summary for 18 march so probably only includes losses on or before 17 march, so add on 4 more days fighting to that0 -
What is a "no quarter" option, if I may ask?JohnLilburne said:
As has been pointed out, you light up an AFV, no-one escapes. Not sure this is a big infantry war, not on the Russian side.BigRich said:
The Ukrainians are claiming (or where 3 days ago to have captured 'about 1,000' which in compared to the number of dead Russians feels quite low, Ill suggest 2 reasons but i don't know:JosiasJessop said:
That was my first thought.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?
remember that in Afghanistan, they lost 15,000 in ten years. They have lost two-thirds of that in less than a month.
Also: it'd be interesting to know their figures for POWs captured by the Ukrainians and deserters; not that they'd release such figures...
(Actually, are these figures just for Russians, or do they include foreign troops such as the Chechens?)
Perhaps moral in Russian units is not quite as low as we think it is.
Ukrainian tactics, phatically ambushes are not typically where you have lots of prisoners.
Of course "no quarter" is an option but it's not in the Ukrainians' interest to invoke it yet.
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I agree with that, except I'd move Germany from OK to poor. OK they have cancelled NS2, but they never should have built it in the first place as its main rationale was to shaft Ukraine. They have supplied some missiles that mostly don't work. And I understand they refused our planes permission to fly arms to the Ukranians when it might have made some difference.rcs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong1 -
SFAICS the various contributions suggest that the P+O matter is: A Dubai company, with Jersey law contracts with workers operating under international maritime law in ships registered in Cyprus. That this is not under the control of any individual government and is therefore without relation to English/UK law and government.
I have no idea if all this is true. The absence of immediate legal action suggests it might be correct in part.
If it is true this is as much a matter for the population of Dubai and the people of France to protest about as it is for us.
Are we being misled by the traditional "P+O" name, which was once resonant with imperial splendour. If it was was called something lengthy and Danish we may feel differently.1 -
So posters slate the government for not doing enough/ anything about P&O, but when the question is asked - what should they do? - no one answers.
Still waiting.4 -
They've also blocked sanctions on Sberbank and made no attempt to reduce reliance on Russian energy imports, they're actually giving Putin more money today than they were before this all kicked off.Fishing said:
I agree with that, except I'd move Germany from OK to poor. OK they have cancelled NS2, but they never should have built it in the first place as its main rationale was to shaft Ukraine. They have supplied some missiles that mostly don't work. And I understand they refused our planes permission to fly arms to the Ukranians when it might have made some difference.rcs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong1 -
So Sam Plimsoll was a proto-woke waste of valuable space?IshmaelZ said:
Exactly. and if a chimney sweep sends 8 year old children up chimneys, just give your custom to a chimney sweep who doesn't. When did we become a nation of dickless snowflakes which has to pass legislation about this kind of thing?MarqueeMark said:
A lot of ill-informed hang-wringing about P&O.FrancisUrquhart said:
If its legal and trivial, you would have thought Starmer (being a lawyer) would called for this straight away. Instead, all the suggestions are based around if the sacking of existing employees followed the correct procedures and if a new law should be implemented that allowed fire / rehire.IshmaelZ said:
So, you don't do that. You close your ports to foreign registered ferries which do not comply with whatever minimum wage legislation you choose to enforce.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Once you close ports to foreign registered ships you close your economyIshmaelZ said:
By closing Dover to their ferries.FrancisUrquhart said:
Come on, explain how. How do the UK government enforcement the minimum wage of Cyprus....for the record, in fact there isn't a a national minimum wage in Cyprus at the moment.ping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
Next?
Again, can you provide any legal backing for your claims.
Just don't give them your business.
[1834, but please don't complicate the issue by pointing this out]
Certainly what the proto-anti-wokes were saying back in his day. For fun and (esp) profit.0 -
No prisoners. Kill all surrendering enemy. Technically not accepting an enemy's surrender is not contrary to the laws of war, but a no quarter order is.geoffw said:
What is a "no quarter" option, if I may ask?JohnLilburne said:
As has been pointed out, you light up an AFV, no-one escapes. Not sure this is a big infantry war, not on the Russian side.BigRich said:
The Ukrainians are claiming (or where 3 days ago to have captured 'about 1,000' which in compared to the number of dead Russians feels quite low, Ill suggest 2 reasons but i don't know:JosiasJessop said:
That was my first thought.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?
remember that in Afghanistan, they lost 15,000 in ten years. They have lost two-thirds of that in less than a month.
Also: it'd be interesting to know their figures for POWs captured by the Ukrainians and deserters; not that they'd release such figures...
(Actually, are these figures just for Russians, or do they include foreign troops such as the Chechens?)
Perhaps moral in Russian units is not quite as low as we think it is.
Ukrainian tactics, phatically ambushes are not typically where you have lots of prisoners.
Of course "no quarter" is an option but it's not in the Ukrainians' interest to invoke it yet.0 -
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?1 -
No. Clever answer (I'm lying there), but you are. You pontificate away on subjects you know nothing about because your son in law this and your wife's mother that, whereas some of us know stuff because we actually, first hand, know it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer is not a moron to be fairIshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair0 -
That's a mathematic consquence of higher oil and gas prices.MaxPB said:
They've also blocked sanctions on Sberbank and made no attempt to reduce reliance on Russian energy imports, they're actually giving Putin more money today than they were before this all kicked off.Fishing said:
I agree with that, except I'd move Germany from OK to poor. OK they have cancelled NS2, but they never should have built it in the first place as its main rationale was to shaft Ukraine. They have supplied some missiles that mostly don't work. And I understand they refused our planes permission to fly arms to the Ukranians when it might have made some difference.rcs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong0 -
My guess is that the propaganda people know that sooner or latter accurate fingers will leek, and its better to get ahead of the game, especially as this enables to come up with a number close but still down playing it.MrEd said:
You can probably add several thousand to the dead figures and multiply up the injuredrottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
One key question here- why is the Russian MoD giving these numbers given they will prove a big shock to the public? Justification for a mass scaling up of firepower? Justification for a conscription call? Or is the Russian MoD looking to undermine Putin?
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Exactly, should never have signed up for the merchant navy if they couldn't take a joke. Snowflakes.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
So Sam Plimsoll was a proto-woke waste of valuable space?IshmaelZ said:
Exactly. and if a chimney sweep sends 8 year old children up chimneys, just give your custom to a chimney sweep who doesn't. When did we become a nation of dickless snowflakes which has to pass legislation about this kind of thing?MarqueeMark said:
A lot of ill-informed hang-wringing about P&O.FrancisUrquhart said:
If its legal and trivial, you would have thought Starmer (being a lawyer) would called for this straight away. Instead, all the suggestions are based around if the sacking of existing employees followed the correct procedures and if a new law should be implemented that allowed fire / rehire.IshmaelZ said:
So, you don't do that. You close your ports to foreign registered ferries which do not comply with whatever minimum wage legislation you choose to enforce.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Once you close ports to foreign registered ships you close your economyIshmaelZ said:
By closing Dover to their ferries.FrancisUrquhart said:
Come on, explain how. How do the UK government enforcement the minimum wage of Cyprus....for the record, in fact there isn't a a national minimum wage in Cyprus at the moment.ping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
Next?
Again, can you provide any legal backing for your claims.
Just don't give them your business.
[1834, but please don't complicate the issue by pointing this out]
Certainly what the proto-anti-wokes were saying back in his day. For fun and (esp) profit.
0 -
The Italians have been much worse than the Germans - with the decline of Libyan exports, they import a far larger portion of their primary energy from Russia, and have not cut back at all. They also were the only EU voice to oppose a number of sanctions - albeit ones that passed in the end. They have also made next to no military contribution to Ukrainian defence.Fishing said:
I agree with that, except I'd move Germany from OK to poor. OK they have cancelled NS2, but they never should have built it in the first place as its main rationale was to shaft Ukraine. They have supplied some missiles that mostly don't work. And I understand they refused our planes permission to fly arms to the Ukranians when it might have made some difference.rcs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong0 -
Of course, but they haven't done anything to reduce import volumes. Last I saw Russia's market share of German gas imports was pretty steady.rcs1000 said:
That's a mathematic consquence of higher oil and gas prices.MaxPB said:
They've also blocked sanctions on Sberbank and made no attempt to reduce reliance on Russian energy imports, they're actually giving Putin more money today than they were before this all kicked off.Fishing said:
I agree with that, except I'd move Germany from OK to poor. OK they have cancelled NS2, but they never should have built it in the first place as its main rationale was to shaft Ukraine. They have supplied some missiles that mostly don't work. And I understand they refused our planes permission to fly arms to the Ukranians when it might have made some difference.rcs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong0 -
Russia may have been looking at the invasion of Ukraine as being akin to the 6 Day War.
They were looking in the wrong column though for casualties....
"The casualties of the war, far from Israel's anticipated heavy estimates, were quite low, with 338 soldiers lost on the Egyptian front, 300 on the Jordanian front, and 141 on the Syrian front.
Egypt lost 80 percent of its military equipment, 10,000 soldiers and 1,500 officers killed, 5,000 soldiers and 500 officers captured,[51] and 20,000 wounded.
Jordan suffered 6,000-7,000 killed and probably around 12,000 to 20,000 wounded.
Syria lost 2,500 dead and 5,000 wounded; half the tanks and almost all the artillery positioned in the Golan Heights were destroyed.
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Six-Day_War1 -
In case your're wondering, I'm just flagged this as off topic.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Must you be such a jackass, apparently 24-7?2 -
TxJohnLilburne said:
No prisoners. Kill all surrendering enemy. Technically not accepting an enemy's surrender is not contrary to the laws of war, but a no quarter order is.geoffw said:
What is a "no quarter" option, if I may ask?JohnLilburne said:
As has been pointed out, you light up an AFV, no-one escapes. Not sure this is a big infantry war, not on the Russian side.BigRich said:
The Ukrainians are claiming (or where 3 days ago to have captured 'about 1,000' which in compared to the number of dead Russians feels quite low, Ill suggest 2 reasons but i don't know:JosiasJessop said:
That was my first thought.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?
remember that in Afghanistan, they lost 15,000 in ten years. They have lost two-thirds of that in less than a month.
Also: it'd be interesting to know their figures for POWs captured by the Ukrainians and deserters; not that they'd release such figures...
(Actually, are these figures just for Russians, or do they include foreign troops such as the Chechens?)
Perhaps moral in Russian units is not quite as low as we think it is.
Ukrainian tactics, phatically ambushes are not typically where you have lots of prisoners.
Of course "no quarter" is an option but it's not in the Ukrainians' interest to invoke it yet.
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Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?
0 -
If the number of casualties is such that even the Putin authorities cannot reasonably contain their extent, then they may have felt little option but to go the other route and emphasise them, even potentially exaggerate them - as you say to jusitify additional measures, if they feel going scorched earth will be necessary for victory. They're already trying to play is the sequel to the Great Patriotic War, and if they can persuade people of that garbage the losses will anger the public against Ukraine, not the madman who sent them to their deaths pointlessly.MrEd said:
You can probably add several thousand to the dead figures and multiply up the injuredrottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
One key question here- why is the Russian MoD giving these numbers given they will prove a big shock to the public? Justification for a mass scaling up of firepower? Justification for a conscription call? Or is the Russian MoD looking to undermine Putin?0 -
It MUST be true, though, because that's where the UK HAS to end up now we're out of the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Since Boris's speech this forum has seen a catalogue of posters inferring we are on the sidelines which was always silly and untruercs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong
In the same world in which we have 5 million unemployed, a house price crash, Scotland going independent ...2 -
Unfortunately the Ukrainian casualties have been more than 800 though ...MarqueeMark said:Russia may have been looking at the invasion of Ukraine as being akin to the 6 Day War.
They were looking in the wrong column though for casualties....
"The casualties of the war, far from Israel's anticipated heavy estimates, were quite low, with 338 soldiers lost on the Egyptian front, 300 on the Jordanian front, and 141 on the Syrian front.
Egypt lost 80 percent of its military equipment, 10,000 soldiers and 1,500 officers killed, 5,000 soldiers and 500 officers captured,[51] and 20,000 wounded.
Jordan suffered 6,000-7,000 killed and probably around 12,000 to 20,000 wounded.
Syria lost 2,500 dead and 5,000 wounded; half the tanks and almost all the artillery positioned in the Golan Heights were destroyed.
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Six-Day_War0 -
By contrast:16,000 German dead during the month-long "September Campaign" in Poland, 1939.rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.0 -
PferdescheißeIshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?1 -
Thank God you came clean, I was losing sleep over that.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In case your're wondering, I'm just flagged this as off topic.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Must you be such a jackass, apparently 24-7?
The guy is a pompous, self satisfied windbag. And so are you, but without the age allowance.1 -
Throughout history it can be remarkable how one sided battle and war casualties can be, even in times when it would be easy to fudge the numbers (eg Did Cromwell really only lose 40 men at Dunbar?)MarqueeMark said:Russia may have been looking at the invasion of Ukraine as being akin to the 6 Day War.
They were looking in the wrong column though for casualties....
"The casualties of the war, far from Israel's anticipated heavy estimates, were quite low, with 338 soldiers lost on the Egyptian front, 300 on the Jordanian front, and 141 on the Syrian front.
Egypt lost 80 percent of its military equipment, 10,000 soldiers and 1,500 officers killed, 5,000 soldiers and 500 officers captured,[51] and 20,000 wounded.
Jordan suffered 6,000-7,000 killed and probably around 12,000 to 20,000 wounded.
Syria lost 2,500 dead and 5,000 wounded; half the tanks and almost all the artillery positioned in the Golan Heights were destroyed.
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Six-Day_War0 -
That's the fear isn't it. But how does he explain it? A special military operation in the Donbass???? Can he really convince Russians that Ukrainians have become their mortal enemies?kle4 said:
If the number of casualties is such that even the Putin authorities cannot reasonably contain their extent, then they may have felt little option but to go the other route and emphasise them, even potentially exaggerate them - as you say to jusitify additional measures, if they feel going scorched earth will be necessary for victory. They're already trying to play is the sequel to the Great Patriotic War, and if they can persuade people of that garbage the losses will anger the public against Ukraine, not the madman who sent them to their deaths pointlessly.MrEd said:
You can probably add several thousand to the dead figures and multiply up the injuredrottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
One key question here- why is the Russian MoD giving these numbers given they will prove a big shock to the public? Justification for a mass scaling up of firepower? Justification for a conscription call? Or is the Russian MoD looking to undermine Putin?0 -
Fair enough. Can I suggest a new category for Italy (and India) - very poor?rcs1000 said:
The Italians have been much worse than the Germans - with the decline of Libyan exports, they import a far larger portion of their primary energy from Russia, and have not cut back at all. They also were the only EU voice to oppose a number of sanctions - albeit ones that passed in the end. They have also made next to no military contribution to Ukrainian defence.Fishing said:
I agree with that, except I'd move Germany from OK to poor. OK they have cancelled NS2, but they never should have built it in the first place as its main rationale was to shaft Ukraine. They have supplied some missiles that mostly don't work. And I understand they refused our planes permission to fly arms to the Ukranians when it might have made some difference.rcs1000 said:
The UK is absolutely not side-lined. Indeed, we have been at the forefront of responding to Russian aggression alongside the Poles. France and the US have not done quite as much as us, but have generally done a good job. Germany has done OK. And Italy has been poor.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking news
US - UK - France - Italian - and German leaders discussed the brutal tatics used by Russia including on civilians
And in one announcement those saying UK was sidelined are completely wrong
Tbh Italy is such a military and diplomatic joke for a country of its size that its response hadn't even registered with me.0 -
Some suggestions.turbotubbs said:So posters slate the government for not doing enough/ anything about P&O, but when the question is asked - what should they do? - no one answers.
Still waiting.
Do not allow the employment of staff at less than the NMW in UK waters.
Do not allow those without a permit to work in a UK port.
Make sure that every bureaucratic requirement in P&O ports is enforced with the upmost rigour.
End all State based contracts for their services on the basis that their employment arrangements are incompatible with UK standards.
I am sure there is more we could do.7 -
That's a badge of honor, coming from a punk of your low caliber.IshmaelZ said:
Thank God you came clean, I was losing sleep over that.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In case your're wondering, I'm just flagged this as off topic.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Must you be such a jackass, apparently 24-7?
The guy is a pompous, self satisfied windbag. And so are you, but without the age allowance.1 -
Well no. Surely any god has the patience to listen. There's never a place for rudeness in gods or otherwise. (And I apologise that I lapse in this)IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?0 -
Plausible explanation of the approach they're trying to take. But the idealism of the Russian people which was still manifest in Stalin's day has been replaced by Putin's cynicism. And also the military threat to Russia itself was palpable then, whereas it's hypothetical this time round.kle4 said:
If the number of casualties is such that even the Putin authorities cannot reasonably contain their extent, then they may have felt little option but to go the other route and emphasise them, even potentially exaggerate them - as you say to jusitify additional measures, if they feel going scorched earth will be necessary for victory. They're already trying to play is the sequel to the Great Patriotic War, and if they can persuade people of that garbage the losses will anger the public against Ukraine, not the madman who sent them to their deaths pointlessly.MrEd said:
You can probably add several thousand to the dead figures and multiply up the injuredrottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
One key question here- why is the Russian MoD giving these numbers given they will prove a big shock to the public? Justification for a mass scaling up of firepower? Justification for a conscription call? Or is the Russian MoD looking to undermine Putin?
So, in short, it won't work.0 -
A lawyer (quite correctly) writes. Thank you.DavidL said:
Some suggestions.turbotubbs said:So posters slate the government for not doing enough/ anything about P&O, but when the question is asked - what should they do? - no one answers.
Still waiting.
Do not allow the employment of staff at less than the NMW in UK waters.
Do not allow those without a permit to work in a UK port.
Make sure that every bureaucratic requirement in P&O ports is enforced with the upmost rigour.
End all State based contracts for their services on the basis that their employment arrangements are incompatible with UK standards.
I am sure there is more we could do.2 -
"You always were an asshole, Ishmael!"IshmaelZ said:
Thank God you came clean, I was losing sleep over that.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In case your're wondering, I'm just flagged this as off topic.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Must you be such a jackass, apparently 24-7?
The guy is a pompous, self satisfied windbag. And so are you, but without the age allowance.0 -
Here's where Brillo presumably got it from:Sunil_Prasannan said:
By contrast:16,000 German dead during the month-long "September Campaign" in Poland, 1939.rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
Here's the article in Komsomolskaya Pravda (I think):
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
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You know, Sunil, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"You always were an asshole, Ishmael!"IshmaelZ said:
Thank God you came clean, I was losing sleep over that.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In case your're wondering, I'm just flagged this as off topic.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Must you be such a jackass, apparently 24-7?
The guy is a pompous, self satisfied windbag. And so are you, but without the age allowance.
1 -
Honour, calibre. Otherwise, whatever.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
That's a badge of honor, coming from a punk of your low caliber.IshmaelZ said:
Thank God you came clean, I was losing sleep over that.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In case your're wondering, I'm just flagged this as off topic.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Must you be such a jackass, apparently 24-7?
The guy is a pompous, self satisfied windbag. And so are you, but without the age allowance.
0 -
He is quoting Goethe.Omnium said:
Well no. Surely any god has the patience to listen. There's never a place for rudeness in gods or otherwise. (And I apologise that I lapse in this)IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?0 -
Unlike ThomasNashe, I fear he can. Or at least convince enough and cow the rest. The problem is worse than feared, there is mass slaughter going on in Ukraine against Russian speakers (true, but he can ignore he is the source of that), now we must avenge the sacrifice of our brave boys, and if you say otherwise you're going to prison etc etcFrankBooth said:
That's the fear isn't it. But how does he explain it? A special military operation in the Donbass???? Can he really convince Russians that Ukrainians have become their mortal enemies?kle4 said:
If the number of casualties is such that even the Putin authorities cannot reasonably contain their extent, then they may have felt little option but to go the other route and emphasise them, even potentially exaggerate them - as you say to jusitify additional measures, if they feel going scorched earth will be necessary for victory. They're already trying to play is the sequel to the Great Patriotic War, and if they can persuade people of that garbage the losses will anger the public against Ukraine, not the madman who sent them to their deaths pointlessly.MrEd said:
You can probably add several thousand to the dead figures and multiply up the injuredrottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
One key question here- why is the Russian MoD giving these numbers given they will prove a big shock to the public? Justification for a mass scaling up of firepower? Justification for a conscription call? Or is the Russian MoD looking to undermine Putin?0 -
Schiller I thought?JohnLilburne said:
He is quoting Goethe.Omnium said:
Well no. Surely any god has the patience to listen. There's never a place for rudeness in gods or otherwise. (And I apologise that I lapse in this)IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?
1 -
Oops... Schiller.JohnLilburne said:
He is quoting Goethe.Omnium said:
Well no. Surely any god has the patience to listen. There's never a place for rudeness in gods or otherwise. (And I apologise that I lapse in this)IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?0 -
It's already been evaporated. God, those Russkies are quick!MattW said:
Here's where Brillo presumably got it from:Sunil_Prasannan said:
By contrast:16,000 German dead during the month-long "September Campaign" in Poland, 1939.rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
Here's the article in Komsomolskaya Pravda (I think):
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
Edit: Well that's a bit weird.0 -
If that’s the right link the figures have been removed.MattW said:
Here's where Brillo presumably got it from:Sunil_Prasannan said:
By contrast:16,000 German dead during the month-long "September Campaign" in Poland, 1939.rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
Here's the article in Komsomolskaya Pravda (I think):
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/0 -
Cheers. Some would require legislation?DavidL said:
Some suggestions.turbotubbs said:So posters slate the government for not doing enough/ anything about P&O, but when the question is asked - what should they do? - no one answers.
Still waiting.
Do not allow the employment of staff at less than the NMW in UK waters.
Do not allow those without a permit to work in a UK port.
Make sure that every bureaucratic requirement in P&O ports is enforced with the upmost rigour.
End all State based contracts for their services on the basis that their employment arrangements are incompatible with UK standards.
I am sure there is more we could do.0 -
Yeah... and?JohnLilburne said:
He is quoting Goethe.Omnium said:
Well no. Surely any god has the patience to listen. There's never a place for rudeness in gods or otherwise. (And I apologise that I lapse in this)IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?0 -
1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.0 -
Talking of my son in law he has been summoned to his mothers bedside tonight as she is gravely illIshmaelZ said:
No. Clever answer (I'm lying there), but you are. You pontificate away on subjects you know nothing about because your son in law this and your wife's mother that, whereas some of us know stuff because we actually, first hand, know it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer is not a moron to be fairIshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
You can try to overcome me with a self perceived arrogance but I will continue to express my views undaunted and unbowed0 -
I would take issue with many of those points. At least in detail.rcs1000 said:
It also ignores the number of "private Russian subcontractors", which is probably another 5k dead.Leon said:
This is going to come as quite a shock to the Russian public, who have hitherto been told ‘around 500 have died’. The reality is 20 times thatTimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.
The British lost 255 servicemen in recapturing the Falkland Islands. The Russians have lost at least fifty times that number in - so far - failing to invade Ukraine.
There were - apparently - 200k troops massed on the Ukrainian borders. But front line strength will probably be more like 125k. This means that adding together killed, wounded and captured, the Russians have lost maybe a quarter of their front line troops.
Those numbers are utterly horrendous. And bear in mind, they still haven't captured Kiev or Kharkov or any city of more than about 100,000 people.
Of course, the Ukrainians have probably lost just as many. But the Ukrainian forces are at home, fighting for their country, and they outnumber the Russians vastly.
Firstly, we must recall that the Ukrainians have had a lot of success in ambushing Russian supply convoys. This means that a lot of Russian losses will be in support and logistics roles, rather than elite front line troops.
Secondly, it also means that we would not expect Ukraine to necessarily have lost just as many troops, as they've often been able use their superior organisation to create a local superiority of forces at the point of contact - and so you would hope they would be able to cause more casualties than they've suffered.
Thirdly, the pre-war population of Kherson was 289,000.
I feel a bit more positive about Ukrainian prospects then I did a couple of days ago, though.0 -
I am sorry to hear that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Talking of my son in law he has been summoned to his mothers bedside tonight as she is gravely illIshmaelZ said:
No. Clever answer (I'm lying there), but you are. You pontificate away on subjects you know nothing about because your son in law this and your wife's mother that, whereas some of us know stuff because we actually, first hand, know it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer is not a moron to be fairIshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
You can try to overcome me with a self perceived arrogance but I will continue to express my views undaunted and unbowed2 -
2. is just fantasy. We can regulate what ships enter our ports, and what they pay their crew while in our waters, and I don't understand why claims to the contrary are gaining traction. International (Maritime) Law is a big fat non-existent bogie.Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.
Channel ferries are never in international waters anyway btw, this is what makes rubber dinghies full of migrants extra tricky.0 -
@Big_G_NorthWales I hope your wife recovers.4
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Oh well. I tried.IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?0 -
Actually it is my son in laws mother who is gravely ill tonightgeoffw said:@Big_G_NorthWales I hope your wife recovers.
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So back to 1944 then.JohnLilburne said:
No prisoners. Kill all surrendering enemy. Technically not accepting an enemy's surrender is not contrary to the laws of war, but a no quarter order is.geoffw said:
What is a "no quarter" option, if I may ask?JohnLilburne said:
As has been pointed out, you light up an AFV, no-one escapes. Not sure this is a big infantry war, not on the Russian side.BigRich said:
The Ukrainians are claiming (or where 3 days ago to have captured 'about 1,000' which in compared to the number of dead Russians feels quite low, Ill suggest 2 reasons but i don't know:JosiasJessop said:
That was my first thought.rottenborough said:That RU injured figure must be nonsense if the dead figure really is 10k.
Surely a much higher ratio in war zone?
remember that in Afghanistan, they lost 15,000 in ten years. They have lost two-thirds of that in less than a month.
Also: it'd be interesting to know their figures for POWs captured by the Ukrainians and deserters; not that they'd release such figures...
(Actually, are these figures just for Russians, or do they include foreign troops such as the Chechens?)
Perhaps moral in Russian units is not quite as low as we think it is.
Ukrainian tactics, phatically ambushes are not typically where you have lots of prisoners.
Of course "no quarter" is an option but it's not in the Ukrainians' interest to invoke it yet.0 -
Point 2 isn't true, there's lots of things we can do if we want to, the question is whether or not we want to. Enforcing UK working standards on foreign flagged ships docking in the UK will significantly raise the cost of shipping to/from the UK at a time when costs are already very high. Ultimately, the government will do nothing and they will be right to do nothing.Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.0 -
It appears the old employees aren't even employed in the UK, they are employed in Jersey. The new ones in Cyprus.Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.
Worth noting as well as apparently an realistic wage for old employees was in the £28/hr range, even enforcing minimum wage, those people aren't going to work for 40% of the old wage.0 -
I agree. The one thing they should do is to abolish Blair's minimum wage to allow UK workers to compete if they want to. But they won't. And the result is yet more jobs lost because of the minimum wage.MaxPB said:
Point 2 isn't true, there's lots of things we can do if we want to, the question is whether or not we want to. Enforcing UK working standards on foreign flagged ships docking in the UK will significantly raise the cost of shipping to/from the UK at a time when costs are already very high. Ultimately, the government will do nothing and they will be right to do nothing.Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.0 -
As has the person who put them in.williamglenn said:
If that’s the right link the figures have been removed.MattW said:
Here's where Brillo presumably got it from:Sunil_Prasannan said:
By contrast:16,000 German dead during the month-long "September Campaign" in Poland, 1939.rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
Here's the article in Komsomolskaya Pravda (I think):
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/0 -
You could always quote him back:Omnium said:
Yeah... and?JohnLilburne said:
He is quoting Goethe.Omnium said:
Well no. Surely any god has the patience to listen. There's never a place for rudeness in gods or otherwise. (And I apologise that I lapse in this)IshmaelZ said:
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens, and one gets bored of trying.Omnium said:
Great - you have a point.IshmaelZ said:
Just confused and old, then.Omnium said:
Big G is not a moron.IshmaelZ said:
MoronBig_G_NorthWales said:
I therefore I expect Starmer to announce he demands UK ports close to all P & O ferriesIshmaelZ said:
Sorry, but this is mere windbaggery. The UK has various treaty obligations relating to navigation, but what this Maritime Law with the Spurious Capitalisation is that you are appealing to is, God knows. It doesn't exist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even if a UK law was devised it would not help this dispute and anyway would have serious issues with Maritime LawDaveyboy1961 said:
I think in these post brexit days we can decide who we open our ports to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maritime Law is international law and needs countries across the world to change itDaveyboy1961 said:
A legal challenge which can be overturned by changing the law if necessary.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In that case you lose all the 4,000 jobs and are open to legal challengemalcolmg said:
Easy do what other countries do , make it illegal to pay people peanuts and be able to sack people on a whim. As previously said stop them trading in the country until they meet minimum levels. Did you see P&O sack anyone in their EU countries, hint , big fat NO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is not a right wing issue it seems it is the law as it standsping said:2022 and a British company turns to slavery as a business decision.
But the rightwingers say “we can’t do anything”
That’s complete bullshit.
Take a long hard look at yourself.
How would you change it ?
I assume nobody is suggesting the UK acts outside the law
He is a lawyer to be fair
To clarify: the reason SKS is not calling for something to be done under a statute that doesn't yet exist is, the statute doesn't yet exist.
It may be that in 20 years time I too will struggle with that, but I hope not.
Rudeness? Really?
'du kannst mich im Arsche lecken! '
Attributed to the late medieval German knight Götz von Berlichingen, known best as the title hero of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's drama.0 -
Big G - you're a good guy, and have my best wishes and I imagine those of most others here.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually it is my son in laws mother who is gravely ill tonightgeoffw said:@Big_G_NorthWales I hope your wife recovers.
But thank you7 -
Apologies to anyone whose posts I've flagged or marked as off topic. Cat has been walking back and forth across my keyboard, hitting a bunch of F keys at random.0
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Has anyone commented on Council Tax bills?
Just got my bill from Barnet Council - the Barnet element goes up 1% (the standard bit is actually zero change but there's 1% more for Adult Social Care).
But the Greater London element rises by an astonishing 8.8%.
How on earth has Sadiq Khan got away with this? Why didn't the Government stop him? I thought there had to be a referendum for rises above 5% (?). Doesn't that apply separately to the Greater London charge?0 -
Oddly, Tim, I had noticed your posts were better than usual this evening.TimT said:Apologies to anyone whose posts I've flagged or marked as off topic. Cat has been walking back and forth across my keyboard, hitting a bunch of F keys at random.
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That's the Barnet Formula for you. Leaching Scots.MikeL said:Has anyone commented on Council Tax bills?
Just got my bill from Barnet Council - the Barnet element goes up 1% (the standard bit is actually zero change but there's 1% more for Adult Social Care).
But the Greater London element rises by an astonishing 8.8%.
How on earth has Sadiq Khan got away with this? Why didn't the Government stop him? I thought there had to be a referendum for rises above 5% (?). Doesn't that apply separately to the Greater London charge?
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I think it's a rolling updates page, perhaps.MarqueeMark said:
As has the person who put them in.williamglenn said:
If that’s the right link the figures have been removed.MattW said:
Here's where Brillo presumably got it from:Sunil_Prasannan said:
By contrast:16,000 German dead during the month-long "September Campaign" in Poland, 1939.rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
Here's the article in Komsomolskaya Pravda (I think):
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
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The French and Dutch P&O workers are still employed...Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.3 -
Those logistical losses are why those front line troops are going nowhere fast. The scale of the Russian casualties, however you add it up, are truly remarkable. We hear lots of stories about half a dozen civilians killed here, another dozen somewhere else and these are indeed terrible. But outside the towns, away from the cameras, the most intensive war Europe has seen since WW2 has been being fought with incredible ferocity.LostPassword said:
I would take issue with many of those points. At least in detail.rcs1000 said:
It also ignores the number of "private Russian subcontractors", which is probably another 5k dead.Leon said:
This is going to come as quite a shock to the Russian public, who have hitherto been told ‘around 500 have died’. The reality is 20 times thatTimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.
The British lost 255 servicemen in recapturing the Falkland Islands. The Russians have lost at least fifty times that number in - so far - failing to invade Ukraine.
There were - apparently - 200k troops massed on the Ukrainian borders. But front line strength will probably be more like 125k. This means that adding together killed, wounded and captured, the Russians have lost maybe a quarter of their front line troops.
Those numbers are utterly horrendous. And bear in mind, they still haven't captured Kiev or Kharkov or any city of more than about 100,000 people.
Of course, the Ukrainians have probably lost just as many. But the Ukrainian forces are at home, fighting for their country, and they outnumber the Russians vastly.
Firstly, we must recall that the Ukrainians have had a lot of success in ambushing Russian supply convoys. This means that a lot of Russian losses will be in support and logistics roles, rather than elite front line troops.
Secondly, it also means that we would not expect Ukraine to necessarily have lost just as many troops, as they've often been able use their superior organisation to create a local superiority of forces at the point of contact - and so you would hope they would be able to cause more casualties than they've suffered.
Thirdly, the pre-war population of Kherson was 289,000.
I feel a bit more positive about Ukrainian prospects then I did a couple of days ago, though.2 -
Actually correction, I believe new employees are hired via Malta. The ships are registered in Crypus.FrancisUrquhart said:
It appears the old employees aren't even employed in the UK, they are employed in Jersey. The new ones in Cyprus.Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.
Worth noting as well as apparently an realistic wage for old employees was in the £28/hr range, even enforcing minimum wage, those people aren't going to work for 40% of the old wage.0 -
AIUI Mr Khan has reduced the increase from last year.IshmaelZ said:
That's the Barnet Formula for you. Leaching Scots.MikeL said:Has anyone commented on Council Tax bills?
Just got my bill from Barnet Council - the Barnet element goes up 1% (the standard bit is actually zero change but there's 1% more for Adult Social Care).
But the Greater London element rises by an astonishing 8.8%.
How on earth has Sadiq Khan got away with this? Why didn't the Government stop him? I thought there had to be a referendum for rises above 5% (?). Doesn't that apply separately to the Greater London charge?0 -
You advocating for French style labour laws? I thought you were a big Cameron / Osborne supporter?Scott_xP said:
The French and Dutch P&O workers are still employed...Northern_Al said:1. The main driver for Brexit was sovereignty. We do not want anybody else making our laws - as a sovereign nation, we can decide our own laws, thank you very much, and refuse to be subject to others' laws.
2. However, on P&O, although they are a disgrace, we can't do anything about it because we don't have the power. Our sovereignty is compromised by, er, international law.
3. So Brexit is not enough. We still don't have sovereignty. We need to leave all those international organisations that make our laws for us, so that we are truly independent. Step forward, Nigel.0 -
Of the 1600+ vehicles the Russians are reported to have lost (Oryx photo confirmed), sure, 545 were supply trucks and jeeps. But 818 were tanks, AFVs, IFVs, APCs, and IMVs. Say 5 on average per vehicle, that is over 4000 right there.LostPassword said:
I would take issue with many of those points. At least in detail.rcs1000 said:
It also ignores the number of "private Russian subcontractors", which is probably another 5k dead.Leon said:
This is going to come as quite a shock to the Russian public, who have hitherto been told ‘around 500 have died’. The reality is 20 times thatTimT said:
Was just about to post this, but see you beat me to it:rottenborough said:Andrew Neil
@afneil
Russian official admits almost 10,000 Russian military have died in Ukraine and over 16,000 injured.
The Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda reports that, according to the Russian MoD's figures, the Russian Armed Forces have sustained 9,861 killed in action and 16,153 wounded in action in Ukraine. A shocking figure.
https://kp.ru/online/news/4672522/
So the Ukrainian figures are probably not that far out.
The British lost 255 servicemen in recapturing the Falkland Islands. The Russians have lost at least fifty times that number in - so far - failing to invade Ukraine.
There were - apparently - 200k troops massed on the Ukrainian borders. But front line strength will probably be more like 125k. This means that adding together killed, wounded and captured, the Russians have lost maybe a quarter of their front line troops.
Those numbers are utterly horrendous. And bear in mind, they still haven't captured Kiev or Kharkov or any city of more than about 100,000 people.
Of course, the Ukrainians have probably lost just as many. But the Ukrainian forces are at home, fighting for their country, and they outnumber the Russians vastly.
Firstly, we must recall that the Ukrainians have had a lot of success in ambushing Russian supply convoys. This means that a lot of Russian losses will be in support and logistics roles, rather than elite front line troops.
Secondly, it also means that we would not expect Ukraine to necessarily have lost just as many troops, as they've often been able use their superior organisation to create a local superiority of forces at the point of contact - and so you would hope they would be able to cause more casualties than they've suffered.
Thirdly, the pre-war population of Kherson was 289,000.
I feel a bit more positive about Ukrainian prospects then I did a couple of days ago, though.0 -
Fotsengesicht!IshmaelZ said:
That's the Barnet Formula for you. Leaching Scots.MikeL said:Has anyone commented on Council Tax bills?
Just got my bill from Barnet Council - the Barnet element goes up 1% (the standard bit is actually zero change but there's 1% more for Adult Social Care).
But the Greater London element rises by an astonishing 8.8%.
How on earth has Sadiq Khan got away with this? Why didn't the Government stop him? I thought there had to be a referendum for rises above 5% (?). Doesn't that apply separately to the Greater London charge?
(i've been working on my German in consultation with others here. And the above is our counclusion.)0 -
It would be possible (though not trivial) to legally define ferry services, and legislate to say that such services using UK ports must employ domestic workers, for example.turbotubbs said:So posters slate the government for not doing enough/ anything about P&O, but when the question is asked - what should they do? - no one answers.
Still waiting.
Orr that NMW applies.
Whether that might be a sensible use of government time is debatable, but saying it’s not possible is untrue.0 -
Almost certainly. But it could be passed in a day if the will was there. Come on Govester. You know when not to mess about.turbotubbs said:
Cheers. Some would require legislation?DavidL said:
Some suggestions.turbotubbs said:So posters slate the government for not doing enough/ anything about P&O, but when the question is asked - what should they do? - no one answers.
Still waiting.
Do not allow the employment of staff at less than the NMW in UK waters.
Do not allow those without a permit to work in a UK port.
Make sure that every bureaucratic requirement in P&O ports is enforced with the upmost rigour.
End all State based contracts for their services on the basis that their employment arrangements are incompatible with UK standards.
I am sure there is more we could do.0 -
LOL you old bastard.Peter_the_Punter said:
Oddly, Tim, I had noticed your posts were better than usual this evening.TimT said:Apologies to anyone whose posts I've flagged or marked as off topic. Cat has been walking back and forth across my keyboard, hitting a bunch of F keys at random.
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Thank you so muchOmnium said:
Big G - you're a good guy, and have my best wishes and I imagine those of most others here.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually it is my son in laws mother who is gravely ill tonightgeoffw said:@Big_G_NorthWales I hope your wife recovers.
But thank you
Strange that in just 48 hours our son and two other brave RNLI crew saved the life of a young lady, and tonight my son in law and his sister are holding their mother's hand as she is gravely ill
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Ukrainian government ministers are now habitually joining EU council meetings of their 27 EU counterparts by video link.
Today, Ukraine's agriculture minister Roman Leshchenko dialled into AGRIFISH. But he had to interrupt his address and leave early, due to an air raid siren.https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/15059847356669747340
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