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Well done, SPIN.
Turnout is a buy.
The IndyRef market is a good way of hedging your bets,0 -
On topic, yay, the party seat spreads were usually a good indicator of how the political wind was blowing in the last parliament.
And well, everyone finds the indyref irresistible, I'm surprised they've managed to resist for so long.0 -
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
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I wasn't talking about the nationality of the players. I was talking about their race. Or are you meaning "white French for many generations" when you say "French"?FalseFlag said:
Do you think there are too many French players on the French football team? Why do you think it is a moral imperative for there to be even less than there are already. Why is it unacceptable to you for the French to stand up for their own interests?Socrates said:
Do you think he was right when he said the French national football team had too many non-white players? What about when he said Sarkozy was a "foreigner" because he was of immigrant background?FalseFlag said:
Yes, more of a Poujadist than his daughter. I am a fan of both though as I am the French, they are very French rightists.Socrates said:
Did you also like Le Pen's father?FalseFlag said:
Moral bankruptcy of the left, let's have more of the same failed policies of the past 50 years.BenM said:
Vote Fascist! says Patrick.Patrick said:A Le Pen presidency would be brilliant for France.
Sure I disagree with pretty much all she says, certanly the protectionist / statist economic policy and the outright nasty social ones - the 'let's get out of the Euro' policy is her only saving grace. But...the French political elite and establishment are ossified beyond belief. They badly need some sort of nuclear explosion to blow away their fusty old worldview and kick 'em in the nuts. This she would deliver in spades.
Le Pen President and Scotland independent, it's the dream.
I like the French, I wish to see them continue to exist as a distinct people. Why don't you?0 -
Speak for yourself - I'll still be a citizen of the Republic of IrelandSean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
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Don't panic! Don't panic! Stay calm everybody.*
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On topic
As someone who worked in Spread Betting for more than a decade, if people want markets to be open for betting more often they'd be better off not picking the bookie off as soon as a poll comes out
Not casting aspersions personally, I couldn't care less, but I can assure you that is the reason why these markets aren't always available0 -
@edmundintokyo
You posted a link about Eric Harroun on the previous page. That was clearly a piece of apologism for him, that he accidentally fell in with al-Nusra. Here are some quotes from him
"Getting into Al-Nusra is not rocket science," he said. "It just takes balls and brains.”
“The only good Zionist is a dead Zionist.”
"Maybe Gaza is next for me, maybe [the] West Bank"
Doesn't seem like quite the innocent who didn't realise who he was fighting with, does he?0 -
Shouldn't that be Die German Empire, not DasSeanT said:
We will all, still, be citizens of Das German Empire, sorry, European Union. How nice for us.Neil said:
Speak for yourself - I'll still be a citizen of the Republic of IrelandSean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
At least we won't have to get our budgets passed by the Germans, first, as happens in Ireland.
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If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.
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Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=10
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You make travelling the world sound like a bad thing.SeanT said:
Probably because half the Irish are already in Germany, or the UK (like you), as one person leaves the country every thirteen minutes.Neil said:
The beginning of the end for Ireland happened when the Germans got their way over the level of corporation tax. Oh.SeanT said:
At least we won't have to get our budgets passed by the Germans, first, as happens in Ireland.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-emigration-one-person-left-4111624
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Can I become a Citizen of the Irish Republic? Is it easy? I think I'd fit right in.Neil said:
Speak for yourself - I'll still be a citizen of the Republic of IrelandSean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
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I agree.Peter_the_Punter said:Well done, SPIN.
Turnout is a buy.
The IndyRef market is a good way of hedging your bets,0 -
There are a number of options open to you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I become a Citizen of the Irish Republic? Is it easy? I think I'd fit right in.Neil said:
Speak for yourself - I'll still be a citizen of the Republic of IrelandSean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
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The closing of the gap in the polls is so predictable.
I still maintain it will be 60/40 for No.
I'd vote Yes If I were a Scot living in Scotland and I will vote to leave the EU if I'm ever given the opportunity.0 -
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.
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Temporarily of course it could well be Clegg. The first Lib PM since Lloyd George!SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.0 -
Interesting tweets from the pollsters
Survation @Survation 7h
Our next #indyref poll will be for @Daily_Record @Fivemillionqs (Dundee University) & @NationBetter on Sept 11th for all those asking..
Chaminda Jayanetti @1000cuts 7h
@Survation @Daily_Record @Fivemillionqs @NationBetter If only Panelbase had the same transparency...
PanelbaseMD
@PanelbaseMD
@1000cuts @Survation @Daily_Record @Fivemillionqs @NationBetter We're transparent when we can be but clients have rights to confidentiality.0 -
So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.0
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I now think Sindy will be the worst of all results. No by a hair's breadth, 52 to 48 or something.0
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The returning officer may think that the voter had made his/her intention clear. Also there is an 'X' in the box. It would be put in the 'disputed' pile but may well be accepted.JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
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SuperbNeil said:
There are a number of options open to you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I become a Citizen of the Irish Republic? Is it easy? I think I'd fit right in.Neil said:
Speak for yourself - I'll still be a citizen of the Republic of IrelandSean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
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Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
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That sounds moderately encouraging.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
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The most insufferable Nats have already been banned. For being insufferable. Or being Nats. I cant remember which.SeanT said:
The Nats will be insufferable after YES, and I hereby suggest we introduce a temporary 18 month ban on their being allowed to post on pb, following their victory.Neil said:
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.0 -
165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.0 -
Nothing, but they have serial numbers on them, and when they are returned, they'll be matched up to the electoral register.Pulpstar said:
Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
So there's no point trying to photocopy them if you want to send in mass photocopied ballot papers.0 -
chortling gleefully. at the very least. a big fan of the adverbsNeil said:
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.0 -
Devastating? You've never met Neil have you?Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
(Only joking Neil)0 -
@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?0 -
The issue seems to have gone quiet in Quebec, though, after a very close result 19 years ago.Monksfield said:I now think Sindy will be the worst of all results. No by a hair's breadth, 52 to 48 or something.
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Big swing to no then. Panelbase are the darlings of YES.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
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The numbers were just as bad in the early 1980s. As the economy recovered people moved back from the UK.Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
Ireland is currently the only country in Europe outgrowing the UK.
It is also the only country in Europe where the PMIs and Employment Optimism numbers are better than the UK.
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It will certainly be a cathartic moment if YES is triumphant and would UKIP be able to keep it's name?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.
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I'm touched that you think I fall into that age category!TheScreamingEagles said:
Devastating? You've never met Neil have you?Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
(Only joking Neil)
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Stick to rubbing out the X you disagree with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nothing, but they have serial numbers on them, and when they are returned, they'll be matched up to the electoral register.Pulpstar said:
Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
So there's no point trying to photocopy them if you want to send in mass photocopied ballot papers.
Actually the serial numbers on the Ballot papers are occasionally cited by the paranoid to assert that the ballot isn't in fact secret. How you voted can be determined by MI5. Or the Orange Order. Or whoever.0 -
Maybe not a swing to No, but presumably no swing to Yes.TGOHF said:
Big swing to no then. Panelbase are the darlings of YES.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
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You look good for your ageNeil said:
I'm touched that you think I fall into that age category!TheScreamingEagles said:
Devastating? You've never met Neil have you?Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
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According to that fb thread the guy ordered a new ballot paper. Vote early, vote often?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
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It was a kindness - they're much happier talking to themselves, reassuring each other how clever they are.Neil said:
The most insufferable Nats have already been banned. For being insufferable. Or being Nats. I cant remember which.SeanT said:
The Nats will be insufferable after YES, and I hereby suggest we introduce a temporary 18 month ban on their being allowed to post on pb, following their victory.Neil said:
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.0 -
I wouldn't go that far. Probably a small swing to no, which doesn't fit the narrative for Yes.TGOHF said:
Big swing to no then. Panelbase are the darlings of YES.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
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The paining in the attic is looking a bit off though.TheScreamingEagles said:
You look good for your ageNeil said:
I'm touched that you think I fall into that age category!TheScreamingEagles said:
Devastating? You've never met Neil have you?Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
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Unless it's a good poll for them and they want to time the release for maximum impact.Sean_F said:
That sounds moderately encouraging.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
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Don't forget the Bilderberg Lizards.OldKingCole said:
Stick to rubbing out the X you disagree with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nothing, but they have serial numbers on them, and when they are returned, they'll be matched up to the electoral register.Pulpstar said:
Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
So there's no point trying to photocopy them if you want to send in mass photocopied ballot papers.
Actually the serial numbers on the Ballot papers are occasionally cited by the paranoid to assert that the ballot isn't in fact secret. How you voted can be determined by MI5. Or the Orange Order. Or whoever.0 -
Lose the Register. Isn't that how it works in Scotland?OldKingCole said:
Stick to rubbing out the X you disagree with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nothing, but they have serial numbers on them, and when they are returned, they'll be matched up to the electoral register.Pulpstar said:
Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
So there's no point trying to photocopy them if you want to send in mass photocopied ballot papers.
Actually the serial numbers on the Ballot papers are occasionally cited by the paranoid to assert that the ballot isn't in fact secret. How you voted can be determined by MI5
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Dorian Grey's was actually in the School Room. It was Mrs Rochester who was in the attic...Neil said:
The paining in the attic is looking a bit off though.TheScreamingEagles said:
You look good for your ageNeil said:
I'm touched that you think I fall into that age category!TheScreamingEagles said:
Devastating? You've never met Neil have you?Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
(Only joking Neil)
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It's pretty easy to grow quickly when you're still climbing back from a 20% drop in GDP. You're just going back to where you were before.rcs1000 said:
The numbers were just as bad in the early 1980s. As the economy recovered people moved back from the UK.Socrates said:165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.
That will be devastating for them long term.
Ireland is currently the only country in Europe outgrowing the UK.
It is also the only country in Europe where the PMIs and Employment Optimism numbers are better than the UK.0 -
I will be showing on a screen near you soonSeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.0 -
What a sick individual you must be , an odious creepy sad little nonentitySean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.0 -
I knew you wouldn't disappoint.malcolmg said:
What a sick individual you must be , an odious creepy sad little nonentitySean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.
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We are the UK and if Scotland is leaving we will, I suppose, still be the UK. Maybe 'the UK of England, Wales and NI'. Much easier just to leave well alone.MikeK said:
It will certainly be a cathartic moment if YES is triumphant and would UKIP be able to keep it's name?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.
(p.s. my own view on what to do with the flag is to recognise Wales by turning the blue bits of the Union Jack green - thus giving a red, white and green flag as a nod to Wales. Dark green. British Racing Green. Jaguar green. Would look awesome and retain all the iconic design elements of our current flag.)0 -
That was no YES voter , a sad individual needing medical help.JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
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You boys are beginning to realise it is going to happenSeanT said:
The Nats will be insufferable after YES, and I hereby suggest we introduce a temporary 18 month ban on their being allowed to post on pb, following their victory.Neil said:
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.
We can then allow them back in, as the Scottish economy collapses into chaos, as credit agencies downgrade their tartan bonds to junk and they are forced into the Dong Zone as they unilaterally adopt the currency of Vietnam.0 -
Byeeeeee.malcolmg said:
You boys are beginning to realise it is going to happenSeanT said:
The Nats will be insufferable after YES, and I hereby suggest we introduce a temporary 18 month ban on their being allowed to post on pb, following their victory.Neil said:
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.
We can then allow them back in, as the Scottish economy collapses into chaos, as credit agencies downgrade their tartan bonds to junk and they are forced into the Dong Zone as they unilaterally adopt the currency of Vietnam.0 -
Fantastic news. Will they stick to it?Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?0 -
WhySean_F said:
That sounds moderately encouraging.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
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ShhhhhTheScreamingEagles said:
Don't forget the Bilderberg Lizards.OldKingCole said:
Stick to rubbing out the X you disagree with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nothing, but they have serial numbers on them, and when they are returned, they'll be matched up to the electoral register.Pulpstar said:
Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
So there's no point trying to photocopy them if you want to send in mass photocopied ballot papers.
Actually the serial numbers on the Ballot papers are occasionally cited by the paranoid to assert that the ballot isn't in fact secret. How you voted can be determined by MI5. Or the Orange Order. Or whoever.0 -
Plus you have to put them inside a sealed envelope with your signature , DOB , etc on itTheScreamingEagles said:
Nothing, but they have serial numbers on them, and when they are returned, they'll be matched up to the electoral register.Pulpstar said:
Quick question - what is to stop postal ballots being photocopied ?JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
So there's no point trying to photocopy them if you want to send in mass photocopied ballot papers.0 -
I'd rather David Cameron did this challenge than the ice bucket one:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/burn-isis-flag-challenge-goes-viral-arab-world-124824439.html#0EVKwhL0 -
and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?0 -
Absolutely fantastic to see the return of Sporting Index.0
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verbal diahorrea on here as ever, could just be as panelbase say , they actually respect their clients.TheScreamingEagles said:
I wouldn't go that far. Probably a small swing to no, which doesn't fit the narrative for Yes.TGOHF said:
Big swing to no then. Panelbase are the darlings of YES.TheScreamingEagles said:So I take that Panelbase tweet to read they have done a poll on the indyref, but the client wants it to remain private.
Or it could be, I'm just reading too much into Panelbase's tweet.0 -
What's to stop aggressive Braveheart types demanding their wives show them their ballot paper with a Yes vote, lest they get a backhand to the face?
(Or the reverse for that matter.)0 -
I don't have to watch you, do I?malcolmg said:
I will be showing on a screen near you soon0 -
It won't be your concern in a few weeks, 'Yes' or 'No'.malcolmg said:
and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?
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Will an SNP govt of iScotland increase spending to 2% of GDP, in line with NATO commitments?0
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Patrick , hard to kid anyone that Wales or a small corner of Ireland are kingdoms.Patrick said:
We are the UK and if Scotland is leaving we will, I suppose, still be the UK. Maybe 'the UK of England, Wales and NI'. Much easier just to leave well alone.MikeK said:
It will certainly be a cathartic moment if YES is triumphant and would UKIP be able to keep it's name?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.
(p.s. my own view on what to do with the flag is to recognise Wales by turning the blue bits of the Union Jack green - thus giving a red, white and green flag as a nod to Wales. Dark green. British Racing Green. Jaguar green. Would look awesome and retain all the iconic design elements of our current flag.)0 -
What will you do when the Tories stop your JSA.TheWatcher said:
Byeeeeee.malcolmg said:
You boys are beginning to realise it is going to happenSeanT said:
The Nats will be insufferable after YES, and I hereby suggest we introduce a temporary 18 month ban on their being allowed to post on pb, following their victory.Neil said:
Imagine Mick Pork chortling away. Forever.Sean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.
We can then allow them back in, as the Scottish economy collapses into chaos, as credit agencies downgrade their tartan bonds to junk and they are forced into the Dong Zone as they unilaterally adopt the currency of Vietnam.0 -
I doubt they can afford current spending.Socrates said:Will an SNP govt of iScotland increase spending to 2% of GDP, in line with NATO commitments?
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Or heads of large families filling in all ......... no, no don't go there!Socrates said:What's to stop aggressive Braveheart types demanding their wives show them their ballot paper with a Yes vote, lest they get a backhand to the face?
(Or the reverse for that matter.)0 -
UNITE demands Labour holds an EU referendum:
http://centrallobby.politicshome.com/members/member-press/member-press-details/newsarticle/unite-urges-labour-party-to-hold-eu-referendum///sites/unite/
“But the next general election will be different. Both UKIP and the Tories will be offering a referendum on the issue of Britain's membership.
“And as things stand, Labour won't – because ducking this question is seen as part of Labour's commitment to business."0 -
According to the commenters on the thread (all Ayes) he is, and he's ordered a new ballot paper. He might also be a sad individual needing medical help. I doubt the two are mutually exclusivemalcolmg said:
That was no YES voter , a sad individual needing medical help.JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
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He dodged that as wellSocrates said:I'd rather David Cameron did this challenge than the ice bucket one:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/burn-isis-flag-challenge-goes-viral-arab-world-124824439.html#0EVKwhL
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Whether Cameron decided to resign after YES would be purely a matter of how he felt personally. It's quite possible he would resign as 'matter of honour'; I have no reading of his inner state of mind so I don't know.
If he did not resign the suicide brigade among Tory MPs would doubtless muster a sufficient number to trigger a confidence vote of the whole parliamentary party, a vote which Cameron I expect would win handily. In fact I expect that he would submit himself voluntarily to such a vote. Resignation would solve absolutely nothing because everyone would be to blame yet no one would be to blame.0 -
Sad sack Scott, Alex is a real man he does not need to do any willy waving to prove it. It is people like you with issues that have to prove themselves. Grow a pair.Scott_P said:
How many planes will President Eck have on his flagship, the Vital Spark?malcolmg said:
and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.0 -
It maybe compulsory, though I would not want creepy Watcher watching me.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't have to watch you, do I?malcolmg said:
I will be showing on a screen near you soon0 -
LOL, second one will be built in an independent Scotland you turnip.TheWatcher said:
It won't be your concern in a few weeks, 'Yes' or 'No'.malcolmg said:
and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?0 -
malcolm's never been up to his previous high standards, since I popped back.
I think the *g* is a sign, nothing beats a *G* to hit the spot
Perhaps it's too much Viagra in his sporran ;^)Sean_F said:
I knew you wouldn't disappoint.malcolmg said:
What a sick individual you must be , an odious creepy sad little nonentitySean_F said:
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Malcolmg's boot stamping on a human face. Forever.SeanT said:
I don't think 10% of people even on pb have begun to comprehend what Partition will mean. The inevitably-messy divorce will dominate - tediously, endlessly, relentlessly - all our discussions for the rest of the decade. Imagine malcolmg shouting in your face for what-feels-like eternity. That is the reality of YES.Sean_F said:
A fortnight from now, we may all be Stateless.SeanT said:This weekend is going to be huge for indyref. Perhaps the crucial weekend of the campaign - maybe the most crucial weekend in 300 years of British constitutional history - until the vote itself.
As I understand it, we are expecting two polls - ICM and YouGov? If they show continued momentum to YES then I think YES will go on to win.
If they show that the debate bounce has faded for Salmond, then I would expect NO to edge it, in the end.
*squeaky bum cliche thing*
And our children will grow up in a different country, north or south. A divided island.0 -
At best a silly billy ( not the Orange type )JonnyJimmy said:
According to the commenters on the thread (all Ayes) he is, and he's ordered a new ballot paper. He might also be a sad individual needing medical help. I doubt the two are mutually exclusivemalcolmg said:
That was no YES voter , a sad individual needing medical help.JonnyJimmy said:Yes voter spoils his ballot paper to make a Braveheart point https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204805424161817&set=a.1752466337852.101619.1424714684&type=1
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Sorry. Dogging's not my thing.malcolmg said:
It maybe compulsory, though I would not want creepy Watcher watching me.JonnyJimmy said:
I don't have to watch you, do I?malcolmg said:
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Hague would stand in - no way it would be Clegg - and given he is retiring you could do a quick primary (assuming Cameron doesn't stay on). Not sure the interim would count - didn't people get tripped up with Beckett as leader of the Labour Party?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.0 -
No-one would be claiming they are kingdoms. Scotland and England aren't kingdoms either. There is one, united kingdom.malcolmg said:
Patrick , hard to kid anyone that Wales or a small corner of Ireland are kingdoms.Patrick said:
We are the UK and if Scotland is leaving we will, I suppose, still be the UK. Maybe 'the UK of England, Wales and NI'. Much easier just to leave well alone.MikeK said:
It will certainly be a cathartic moment if YES is triumphant and would UKIP be able to keep it's name?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.
(p.s. my own view on what to do with the flag is to recognise Wales by turning the blue bits of the Union Jack green - thus giving a red, white and green flag as a nod to Wales. Dark green. British Racing Green. Jaguar green. Would look awesome and retain all the iconic design elements of our current flag.)0 -
Stewart Wood@StewartWood
The Conservative Party's recovery in the polls now in overdrive:
29/11/12: 32%
19/06/13: 32%
17/01/14: 32%
04/04/14: 32%
Today: 32%
@YouGov
Heh.0 -
The troll is back.
Might the PB Moderator step in a bit earlier this time, before it gets really nasty?-1 -
I heard Gordon Brown on Radio 5 earlier, telling the Scots why they should vote No.
So convincing do I find him, that I am now firmly in the Yes camp.
Go on Malc, tell these big Jessies the truth!0 -
No. The 2% spend has been a NATO agreement for years and only four countries, including the UK, have stuck to it. Note too the date, the agreement is that they will spend 2% of GDP p.a. by 2024. This is just more meaningless guff, promise to do something in ten years time which they have already promised, and failed, to do.Socrates said:
Fantastic news. Will they stick to it?Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?
Note too that the UK will probably comply with the agreement next year when the next set of Treasury imposed defence cuts, sorry I mean the next Strategic Defence Review, take place. The UK current spends about 2.4% on defence so this new pledge provides lots of nice political cover for more cuts.
By the way, looking at the afternoon papers, its seems we are gearing up to go to war in Iraq again.0 -
One Presidential Learjet with all the trimmings.Scott_P said:
How many planes will President Eck have on his flagship, the Vital Spark?malcolmg said:
and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.
BTW You've named the vessel incorrectly - it should be the 'Taj Mahal', with a sister ship 'Spice Island'.0 -
Whinging jessie , whinges , YawnWulfrun_Phil said:The troll is back.
Might the PB Moderator step in a bit earlier this time, before it gets really nasty?0 -
Soon there will not beSocrates said:
No-one would be claiming they are kingdoms. Scotland and England aren't kingdoms either. There is one, united kingdom.malcolmg said:
Patrick , hard to kid anyone that Wales or a small corner of Ireland are kingdoms.Patrick said:
We are the UK and if Scotland is leaving we will, I suppose, still be the UK. Maybe 'the UK of England, Wales and NI'. Much easier just to leave well alone.MikeK said:
It will certainly be a cathartic moment if YES is triumphant and would UKIP be able to keep it's name?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.
(p.s. my own view on what to do with the flag is to recognise Wales by turning the blue bits of the Union Jack green - thus giving a red, white and green flag as a nod to Wales. Dark green. British Racing Green. Jaguar green. Would look awesome and retain all the iconic design elements of our current flag.)0 -
With UK GDP rising more quickly than expected the ratio of spend to GDP is likely to appear to reduce.HurstLlama said:
No. The 2% spend has been a NATO agreement for years and only four countries, including the UK, have stuck to it. Note too the date, the agreement is that they will spend 2% of GDP p.a. by 2024. This is just more meaningless guff, promise to do something in ten years time which they have already promised, and failed, to do.Socrates said:
Fantastic news. Will they stick to it?Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?
Note too that the UK will probably comply with the agreement next year when the next set of Treasury imposed defence cuts, sorry I mean the next Strategic Defence Review, take place. The UK current spends about 2.4% on defence so this new pledge provides lots of nice political cover for more cuts.
By the way, looking at the afternoon papers, its seems we are gearing up to go to war in Iraq again.
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Random dates that support an argument convince you? No wonder your views on the economy are dodgy!BenM said:
Stewart Wood@StewartWood
The Conservative Party's recovery in the polls now in overdrive:
29/11/12: 32%
19/06/13: 32%
17/01/14: 32%
04/04/14: 32%
Today: 32%
@YouGov
Heh.0 -
The second most senior position in the government is the Chancellor of the Exchequer, then the Foreign Secretary, so more likely to be Osborne or Hammond than Hague.Charles said:
Hague would stand in - no way it would be Clegg - and given he is retiring you could do a quick primary (assuming Cameron doesn't stay on). Not sure the interim would count - didn't people get tripped up with Beckett as leader of the Labour Party?SeanT said:Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.
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Russia wasn't invading other countries over the last decade.HurstLlama said:
No. The 2% spend has been a NATO agreement for years and only four countries, including the UK, have stuck to it. Note too the date, the agreement is that they will spend 2% of GDP p.a. by 2024. This is just more meaningless guff, promise to do something in ten years time which they have already promised, and failed, to do.Socrates said:
Fantastic news. Will they stick to it?Scott_P said:@MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget
@AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces
Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?
Note too that the UK will probably comply with the agreement next year when the next set of Treasury imposed defence cuts, sorry I mean the next Strategic Defence Review, take place. The UK current spends about 2.4% on defence so this new pledge provides lots of nice political cover for more cuts.
By the way, looking at the afternoon papers, its seems we are gearing up to go to war in Iraq again.0
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