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  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
    Personally I would like to see the armed forces big enough and sufficiently well equipped to defend our island and essential trade routes against a capable modern enemy and if necessary conduct a very limited forced insertion for hostage rescue/evacuation.
    So cut the army and air force and build up the navy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    MaxPB Labour can still win without Scotland as Blair and Attlee did though it would be more difficult. Of course leftwingers generally find it harder to express why they take pride in their nation. But Brown, Miliband and Murphy are now on the campaign trail which may make a difference. You ignore the bitterness that will emerge in rUK, particularly, England if it is a Yes, polls show the English do not want currency union and some bitter divorce negotiations would take place.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    MaxPB said:

    I still don't understand why Labour have been so incompetent with the No campaign. If Scotland were to become independent it would be sad for the Tories as they are a unionist party at the core, but they would learn to live with it, for Labour it would be an absolute disaster, the core of the Labour party comes from Scotland as do almost a fifth of their MPs. I find it difficult to believe that Labour could win a majority or even the most seats in Parliament without Scottish MPs, the Tories have come up against the same problem since 1997 after the remaining vestiges of the party in Scotland were wiped away and replaced with a tide of red.

    I really don't understand why Labour haven't done better, there are a lot of positives for Scotland being in the union beyond the pound which Darling has been stuck on like a broken record. It looks like there may be enough voters ready to take the risk of just doing it anyway regardless of the risks laid out by the No side. Instead of constantly going on about the negatives of independence no one has set out the positives of being in the union, of which there are many.

    I am personally in favour of Scottish independence, I think after this campaign a No vote would be a very hollow victory and I don't think Scotland would be the same afterwards, there is too much bad blood between the unionists and independentists for things to return to normal. The only way Scotland grows as a country socially is to go ahead with independence, moving forwards as part of the union in the case of a No will create a lot of bitterness and resentment on the Yes side which I don't think will be good for Scotland or the union. I think the No side will deal with a loss much better, again because of the positive vision being sold by the Yes side, there is still a lot to look forwards to in an independent Scotland after all.

    However, going back to my central point, how has Labour let it even get this far? Their tactics have been awful from the off and no one seems to have taken a step back and tried to fix the errors, they are still hammering away with the negative message. The other part is that Labour seem almost embarrassed to speak up for the union. It may have been an English Navy that ruled the seas, but it was Scottish engineers that made it happen. Labour seem to be embarrassed by Scotland and England's shared history because it does involve a lot of conquest, but it is what it is and not making more of that has been one of the central failures. Together Scotland and England are stronger than apart, history has shown that to be a fact, Labour needed to do more on what the two nations have achieved together as a single country rather than be embarrassed about an imperial past.

    EdWeird?

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    edited September 2014
    Just very briefly re Dublin as a financial centre

    1. Re standing behind banks. The British government did not stand behind Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, etc. etc. They stood behind a bunch of regional retail banks. All the major investment banks are either US or Swiss.

    2. The back offices and IT departments of most of the large investment banks will be in Dublin in five years time. I would not be surprised if Goldman or Morgan Stanley had more (if lower paid) employees in Dublin than in London in 2019. This is nothing to do with Europe, but is simply because the combination of lower corporate tax, lower rent, and generally lower operating costs.

    3. This is a long-term issue for London, simply because we've monopolised stuff for a long time, and our costs are simply now out of wack.

    4. There is a small but growing asset management business is Dublin. One of the largest Italian banks moved its fund management business there (and renamed it Pioneer Investments).

    5. The Financial Transaction Tax exists already in exactly one country in Europe: the United Kingdom, where we have stamp duty on share transfers. As the FTT gets more and more watered down, it looks unlikely to look anywhere near as onerous as the UK's stamp duty.

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2014
    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    "Simon Jenkins was born in Birmingham, educated in London and Oxford Simon Jenkins was born in Birmingham, educated in London and Oxford .... of course he is English.'

    I can't thing of a better way to produce anti-English sentiment than an education at Oxford University !




  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..

    Do you think he was perusing a war against the West in general, and cats and 80 year olds in particular?

    Or do you think he is a seriously deranged individual that needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
    Personally I would like to see the armed forces big enough and sufficiently well equipped to defend our island and essential trade routes against a capable modern enemy and if necessary conduct a very limited forced insertion for hostage rescue/evacuation.
    So cut the army and air force and build up the navy.
    New carriers, & F35's then. Need a lot more, small, fast frigates.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
    Personally I would like to see the armed forces big enough and sufficiently well equipped to defend our island and essential trade routes against a capable modern enemy and if necessary conduct a very limited forced insertion for hostage rescue/evacuation.
    So cut the army and air force and build up the navy.
    Personally, as I said on here yesterday, I would abolish the army and beef up the RM along with the rest of the RN. As for Crab Air, it probably needs at least one more squadron of air defence fighters and a bit less in the way of transport. Whether run by the Crabs or the RN, we do need a fleet of proper maritime patrol aircraft (with ASW capability).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    YBardd Well that is true for many if not most old Oxonians
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited September 2014

    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..

    I imagine if he had been a ukip member we might have heard a bit more about it on here

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-beheaded-first-picture-of-muslim-convert-nicknamed-fat-nick-suspected-of-murdering-82yearold-9714057.html
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
    Personally I would like to see the armed forces big enough and sufficiently well equipped to defend our island and essential trade routes against a capable modern enemy and if necessary conduct a very limited forced insertion for hostage rescue/evacuation.
    So cut the army and air force and build up the navy.
    a bit less in the way of transport.
    You might want to rethink that - the movers are pushed as it is with what they've got now.
  • re the Granny beheading in her garden...total complacency..It could be your granny next..
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
    Personally I would like to see the armed forces big enough and sufficiently well equipped to defend our island and essential trade routes against a capable modern enemy and if necessary conduct a very limited forced insertion for hostage rescue/evacuation.
    So cut the army and air force and build up the navy.
    a bit less in the way of transport.
    You might want to rethink that - the movers are pushed as it is with what they've got now.
    True, but how busy will they be once Afghanistan is finished?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    We know that they [ISIS] have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website

    Are you sure about that?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386856/Osama-Bin-Ladens-stash-X-rated-pornography-squalid-lair.html

    :)
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    HYUFD said:
    Just like old times.

    What about that other Scot Tony Blair. Why isn't he in action saving the union? Or is he too busy with the middle east problems?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..

    Do you think he was perusing a war against the West in general, and cats and 80 year olds in particular?

    Or do you think he is a seriously deranged individual that needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.
    The latter, although I'd remind people he's been charged with a crime so suspect we need to be a little careful.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..

    Complacent as it was on multiple newspaper front pages (or in some cases bumped inside by ongoing wars or the NATO summit mainly about said wars?).

    Not much of a clampdown.
  • HYUFD said:
    Just like old times.

    What about that other Scot Tony Blair. Why isn't he in action saving the union? Or is he too busy with the middle east problems?
    Blair wont gets out of bed for less than £10k a day - Better Together can't afford him...
  • Charles said:

    We know that they [ISIS] have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website

    Are you sure about that?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386856/Osama-Bin-Ladens-stash-X-rated-pornography-squalid-lair.html

    :)
    Indeed, the 'forbidden fruit' element will be a strong force.
    Although, judging by the headline. What would non X rated porn look like?

  • Shouldn't that be Die German Empire, not Das

    Oh dear....,
    You can't flag a moderator's post.
    Maybe our Scottish-born plastic-Yorkshiremanc' could explain "The Fatherland"...?

    :eejit-alert:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB Labour can still win without Scotland as Blair and Attlee did though it would be more difficult. Of course leftwingers generally find it harder to express why they take pride in their nation. But Brown, Miliband and Murphy are now on the campaign trail which may make a difference. You ignore the bitterness that will emerge in rUK, particularly, England if it is a Yes, polls show the English do not want currency union and some bitter divorce negotiations would take place.

    I don't doubt there will be some bitterness on both sides in the case of a yes just like there is after a couple divorces, however that bitterness will eventually go away and Scotland will remain one of our major investment and trading partners and we will be Scotland's number one trading and investment partner. It will eventually mirror our relationship with Ireland sans the sectarian violence. The difference is that I think the No side on both sides will let go of their bitterness over time once Scotland find the formula to make independence work. Right now because of the "British" tax payer there is literally no room for conservative fiscal policy, tax and spend policy is so far removed from Scottish people because Westminster makes the majority of spending decisions and then applies it via a crooked formula which Holyrood then squanders. Getting rid of the top unapproachable level of government and putting the Scottish tax payer in charge of their own destiny rather than have money taken off them and handed back with some extra by Westminster would allow for fiscal conservatism and centre right politics to return to Scotland. Worse still, the unionist parties are going to make worse with further devolution of power and spending without eliminating the Barnett formula.

    In the event of a No I think there will be more bitterness on the E&W side, the government and other parties have promised so much to Scotland to keep them in the union and that will breed resentment. Already there is a lot of resentment among young people that Scottish students get their fees paid and English ones are stuck paying £9k per year, all of that arises from the higher per head spending in Scotland allowed by Barnett additions to the Scottish budget, and unionist proposals would increase that gap.

    I think the resentment and bitterness after a No will just continue to fester and eventually build up to a second referendum within 10 years as the SNP keep making their case, but after a Yes and a tough negotiation a few years down the line both sides will have moved on because there is no going back. If Scotland goes bankrupt this time I don't see the monarch stepping in and bailing them out and getting to sign in the dotted line again. A No just kicks the can down the road.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,031

    Charles said:

    We know that they [ISIS] have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website

    Are you sure about that?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386856/Osama-Bin-Ladens-stash-X-rated-pornography-squalid-lair.html

    :)
    Indeed, the 'forbidden fruit' element will be a strong force.
    Although, judging by the headline. What would non X rated porn look like?

    Food porn, landscape porn, sunset porn.. the list goes on. ;')
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Hertsmere_Pubgoer
    "What would non X rated porn look like?"

    "Pixelated" parts?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Verulamius I think the only camp Blair would help is Yes, Brown actually increased Labour's vote in Scotland in 2010
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    edited September 2014
    Nigel Farage meets Rand Paul

    twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/507928832805175296/photo/1
  • Shouldn't that be Die German Empire, not Das

    Oh dear....,
    You can't flag a moderator's post.
    Maybe our Scottish-born plastic-Yorkshiremanc' could explain "The Fatherland"...?

    :eejit-alert:The usual word for the German empire is Reich, which is neuter so Das.

  • Good evening, everyone.

    Some say differential front end grip is non-X-rated porn.

    Really looking forward to Monza. Williams could be in with a shout, especially if reliability problems start hitting the Mercedes again.

    On that note, many cars are nearing the limits on engines and the like, so penalties will end up being doled out fairly soon for exceeding those limitations.
  • HYUFD said:

    Verulamius I think the only camp Blair would help is Yes, Brown actually increased Labour's vote in Scotland in 2010

    Not so much in 2011 though. How we laughed.

    'Former PM Gordon Brown joins Labour campaign trail for Holyrood battle

    GORDON BROWN will return to frontline politics after being handed a key role in Labour's bid to oust Alex Salmond in the Holyrood election, we can reveal.
    Labour campaign chiefs believe the former PM will be a potent weapon in their bid to win back control of the Scottish Parliament.
    And Brown has agreed he will make his long-awaited return as Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray's ace in the pack.
    One Labour source said: "It's a great coup to have Gordon on board. Despite Labour losing the general election, the fact the vote held up so well in Scotland shows the popularity he enjoys here.
    "He is the perfect guy to take on Salmond on the economy and the issues surrounding independence.
    "The Nats will try to attack him over the general election defeat but the pluses outweigh the minuses.
    "Gordon will go to war with Salmond, allowing Iain Gray to concentrate on Labour's policies."

    http://tinyurl.com/opjcpkd
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Heseltine could play role in Labour government, says Umunna http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/44168/.html
  • Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose. All of us are literate? Or does one assume

    Pfft:

  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    isam said:

    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..

    I imagine if he had been a ukip member we might have heard a bit more about it on here

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-beheaded-first-picture-of-muslim-convert-nicknamed-fat-nick-suspected-of-murdering-82yearold-9714057.html
    A bit of a fruitcake was he?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    edited September 2014
    Obama visits Stonehenge /twitter.com/dougmillsnyt/status/507956437931134976/photo/1
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    HYUFD said:
    Just like old times.

    What about that other Scot Tony Blair. Why isn't he in action saving the union? Or is he too busy with the middle east problems?
    Blair wont gets out of bed for less than £10k a day - Better Together can't afford him...
    Actually, £10k a day is barely £2.5m a year. I am sure you meant £10k an hour.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Perdix
    Is this a secret jihadist code, or is there another explanation?
    "One told how he heard him shouting “the cats have stolen my lighter” as he hacked an animal to pieces."
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    perdix said:

    isam said:

    PB posters and the MSM seem amazingly complacent that yesterday an allegedly recent convert to Islam walked into a suburban garden in North London and lopped off the head of an 80 year old grandma..has there been some sort of news clampdown..as in..Dont scare the natives..

    I imagine if he had been a ukip member we might have heard a bit more about it on here

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-beheaded-first-picture-of-muslim-convert-nicknamed-fat-nick-suspected-of-murdering-82yearold-9714057.html
    A bit of a fruitcake was he?

    You reckon?!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    TUD Iain Grey was leader in 2011, it was he who was the choice for FM, Brown was the choice for PM in 2010, Brown cannot be held responsible for Grey's failure
  • glw said:

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Oh dear....

    :bury-ones-head-in-the-sand:
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Heseltine could play role in Labour government, says Umunna http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/44168/.html

    Dave will be pleased! He has tried so hard to hide all his prominent raving Europhiliacs/ Anti Kippers (Clarke, Green, Barker, Warsi etc) before the elections and now Tarzan's deranged persona is raised from the political dead.

    PS Anyone who knows the background around why Ken Baker didn't last long at the Home Office would not be using him as a propaganda tool. Poor Chucky is as inept at this politics lark as his Tory counterparts (not to mention Chucky's unfortunate Osbornesque sneer). He is going to be a total liability for Labour.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    MaxPB said:



    [edited for space]
    In the event of a No I think there will be more bitterness on the E&W side, the government and other parties have promised so much to Scotland to keep them in the union and that will breed resentment. Already there is a lot of resentment among young people that Scottish students get their fees paid and English ones are stuck paying £9k per year, all of that arises from the higher per head spending in Scotland allowed by Barnett additions to the Scottish budget, and unionist proposals would increase that gap.



    On the student fees, a point please: you have it the wrong way round. The fees are paid for Scottish residents (not 'Scottish' per se) out of the general budget. Barnett DEDUCTIONS are fully applied to the fees budget - i.e. the Westminster Gmt have fully applied cuts to the allocated budget on the assumption that the Scots followed suit to Westminster stopping the payment of tuition fees. Scots have to find the money from efficiency savings elsewhere etc.

    If an intelligent and throughtful person like you can believe otherwise, then that says something about the media in the UK perhaps.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.
  • saddened said:

    So cut the army and air force and build up the navy.

    Evening Red Trousers. And yet £3.5 billion on broad cavalry-mounts for you'se scamps...!

    :no-pleasing-people:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    MaxPB Personally I would prefer English votes for English laws and Devomax. However, even a second referendum would not necessarily produce a Yes, as Quebec has shown
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Socrates said:

    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.

    I'm so sorry, that really sucks. I hope they catch the bastards.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Socrates
    Sorry to hear that Socrates, it is never just the financial cost, it is the loss of trust and security, I hope they catch the bastards.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    ManofKent Chukka marked out as Labour's Obama
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    ManofKent Chukka marked out as Labour's Obama

    Yes, he is as useless and unpopular as Obama.
  • HYUFD said:

    TUD Iain Grey was leader in 2011, it was he who was the choice for FM, Brown was the choice for PM in 2010, Brown cannot be held responsible for Grey's failure

    Hey, I'm just trying to get it straight in my head as to when Brown is a massive boon to a campaign, and when the 'great coup' of his support doesn't prevent one of the worst drubbings in Labour's history.
  • Mr. Socrates, sorry to hear that.

    Hope you recover your stuff, and the burglars suffer an unpleasant end.
  • The usual word for the German empire is Reich, which is neuter so Das.

    Der, Die, Das, Den, Dem: As a fourteen year-old I knew learning German was a bad choice. [My House-head, Mr Colin Wagstaff, made me swap-out my best subject - geography - for that heathen language...! :( ] And look how ill-educated I am now.... *

    * Any comparison with "Unckie 'Clown' Malkie" are not required and should not be acceptable! This is a purile announcement....

  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Citi Belfast
    JP Bournemouth
    Deutsche Birmingham
    KPMG Leeds

    Etc. Doubt they are going to move their back offices from there. I understand most of Pioneers FO is in London these days, always been Pioneer though, from Boston MA with its first rate academic institutions, bought by Unicredit and kept the name.

    Dublin is a business and intellectual backwater.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Socrates said:

    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.

    Sorry to hear that, I hope they didn't go through too many of your possessions. My parents are now alarmed up after the break in we experienced when I was still living there.
  • Mr. Thoughts, you missed off Des.

    I was atrocious at German grammar. Loved the pronunciation, though. I wish more games and DVDs had German language options.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    FalseFlag said:

    Citi Belfast
    JP Bournemouth
    Deutsche Birmingham
    KPMG Leeds

    Etc. Doubt they are going to move their back offices from there. I understand most of Pioneers FO is in London these days, always been Pioneer though, from Boston MA with its first rate academic institutions, bought by Unicredit and kept the name.

    Dublin is a business and intellectual backwater.

    I specifically referenced Goldman Sacha and morgan Stanley
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Socrates said:

    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.

    Sorry to hear that, Mr Socrates and especial condolences to your good lady. I hope the bastards die of an overdose of the shit they buy on the proceeds of your stuff.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    This from yesterday takes on a lot more meaning when it happens someone we know,or ourselves.
    "Policing report: Victims 'asked to investigate crime themselves' "
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29053978
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited September 2014
    Head of news gathering at BBC just told one massive whopper on BBC News.

    He excuse for coverage of Sir Cliff vs Rolf Harris, was that there is no law about covering an investigation into an individual who hasn't been charged (fair enough), but that the BBC didn't cover Rolf Harris until he was charged, because NOBODY KNEW he was under investigation.

    Except, that is absolutely bollock. Anybody who can use google knows why it wasn't covered and it has nothing to do with nobody knowing, all the mainstream media knew.
  • Mr. Thoughts, you missed off Des.

    I was atrocious at German grammar. Loved the pronunciation, though. I wish more games and DVDs had German language options.

    I once decided to change my mobile to German and managed to actually set it to Zulu by mistake. It took ages to find the language setting again and switch it back to English... Zulu words tend not to look like anything else!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Speedy Maybe, but Obama did win 2 elections
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    No lie I'm in a London cab in Liverpool st and the cabbies on the phone to a mate slagging Muslims


    He reckons his mate had to paint the arrows on the ceiling in belmarsh for Islamic terrorists and painted the pointing away from Mecca for a laugh
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Betfair: Yes has moved in from 4.7 to 4.4 in the last (approx) 30 mins.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited September 2014

    Socrates said:

    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.

    Sorry to hear that, Mr Socrates and especial condolences to your good lady. I hope the bastards die of an overdose of the shit they buy on the proceeds of your stuff.
    @Socrates
    Absolutely appalling and sick making Socrates. I hope they catch the bastards but don't hold out much hope with out PC hidebound police forces. I do hope you were insured but the feeling of being invaded and violated never leaves.
  • Smarmeron said:

    This from yesterday takes on a lot more meaning when it happens someone we know,or ourselves.
    "Policing report: Victims 'asked to investigate crime themselves' "
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29053978

    If we solve the crime do we get to do the sentencing?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    TUD Brown won over 40% of the vote in the 2010 election, so was on about the same rating as Salmond got in 2011
  • Mr. Lilburne, must admit, I do try and make sure I know how to turn things back, even though I know a little German.

    Bit annoyed the Game of Thrones DVDs have umpteen unexpected languages but not German. It's hardly an obscure language.

    Mr. England, the space cannon is available for free use to those who catch criminals.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    Fancy yourself as a "vigilante" do you? ;-)
  • Socrates said:

    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.

    Dreadful, really sorry to hear that.
  • Mr. Thoughts....

    Bit to formal for me: Like 'Sie' and 'du'. My friends call me "Fluffy"; my foes call me [MODERATED].

    As a sign of social-compatibility: A favourite.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pOq4hyoX9g

    :awaits-the-mad-version:
  • Mr. Thoughts, I always used 'du'. But that was mostly due to being atrocious and forgetting about Sie and proper verb forms.

    I see your video, and raise you this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZaiB9jYCxI
  • Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    Fancy yourself as a "vigilante" do you? ;-)

    Not really but I'm sure Socrates does tonight
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited September 2014

    Mr. Thoughts, I always used 'du'. But that was mostly due to being atrocious and forgetting about Sie and proper verb forms.

    I see your video, and raise you this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZaiB9jYCxI

    :)

    Best Oz group from that era where 'The Divinyls": Is Dr Prassanan asleep?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    No lie I'm in a London cab in Liverpool st and the cabbies on the phone to a mate slagging Muslims


    He reckons his mate had to paint the arrows on the ceiling in belmarsh for Islamic terrorists and painted the pointing away from Mecca for a laugh

    Brilliant there's no way they will be able to tell which way is East, its not like the sun rises everyday or anything.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    David Coburn was on track calling the SNP a child of fascism. Have a butchers at the contents below:

    WHAT THE HECK IS THIS? this wee book of propaganda was being handed outside a school in Selkirk! #VoteNO protect kids pic.twitter.com/9V4IeObOkt

    — Caroline Santos (@Casumptious) September 5, 2014
  • Mr. Thoughts, you missed off Des.

    I was atrocious at German grammar. Loved the pronunciation, though. I wish more games and DVDs had German language options.

    I once decided to change my mobile to German and managed to actually set it to Zulu by mistake. It took ages to find the language setting again and switch it back to English... Zulu words tend not to look like anything else!

    Yes, always used to be a great jape at one place I worked prior to fraping being invented. Changing the language to Japanese or Arabic was a la mode.
    Would also like to express my sympathy to Socrates on being a victim of such a nasty crime.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    saddened said:

    isam said:

    No lie I'm in a London cab in Liverpool st and the cabbies on the phone to a mate slagging Muslims


    He reckons his mate had to paint the arrows on the ceiling in belmarsh for Islamic terrorists and painted the pointing away from Mecca for a laugh

    Brilliant there's no way they will be able to tell which way is East, its not like the sun rises everyday or anything.
    If you are the sort of fellow who can work that out you probably wouldn't be in Belmarsh in the first place.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    HYUFD said:

    Heseltine could play role in Labour government, says Umunna http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/44168/.html

    Heselswine would be at home, serving a Labour government.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    SeanT said:

    Sympax for Socrates and Mrs Socrates. Burglary is horrible.

    Total agreement. Hope no major losses.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    HYUFD said:

    TUD Brown won over 40% of the vote in the 2010 election, so was on about the same rating as Salmond got in 2011

    Not persons, but their parties. You are comparing Westminster vs Holyrood. And the Keep the Tories Out factor applied in the first, with FPTP.

    But still trying to work out how Mr Miliband could be less popular than Mr Cameron in Scotland today ...

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,031

    SeanT said:

    Sympax for Socrates and Mrs Socrates. Burglary is horrible.

    Total agreement. Hope no major losses.
    Likewise, it's not so much losing property, it is the violation of your home.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    SeanT said:

    Sympax for Socrates and Mrs Socrates. Burglary is horrible.

    Total agreement. Hope no major losses.
    Electronics and the missus' wedding ring :(
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Fave door tonight "How I mark my ballot is nobody's business but mine... Wait a minute, are you the tory leader? - well I'm with you, hen."
  • Really sorry to hear that, Mr. Socrates. No wonder your wife's upset. I hope they manage to find it.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Another good piece by Charles Moore in the Telegraph. I am not sure I agree with his last paragraph but his diagnosis is, I think, very sound:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11077539/Britains-malaise-is-caused-by-Parliaments-crisis-of-confidence.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Mr. Thoughts, I always used 'du'. But that was mostly due to being atrocious and forgetting about Sie and proper verb forms.

    I see your video, and raise you this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZaiB9jYCxI

    Mr. Thoughts, I always used 'du'. But that was mostly due to being atrocious and forgetting about Sie and proper verb forms.

    I see your video, and raise you this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZaiB9jYCxI

    To Casterly Rock !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    SeanF Maybe, though I would expect he would argue Carswell is doing the same
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Carnyx Even at Westminster there are more Labour v SNP marginals than Labour v Tory ones. Cameron has Scottish ancestors, unlike Miliband
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Op ed in the Guardian, but this did make me smile.

    "Suppose, for the sake of argument, that we could somehow scientifically prove that higher standards of living did not translate into greater happiness. "But David," we could say, "look at these historical, psychological and biological studies. They prove beyond any reasonable doubt that having bigger houses, tastier ice-cream and even better medicines does not increase human happiness." "Really?" he would gasp, "Why did nobody tell me! Well, if that's the case, forget about my plans to boost economic growth. I am leaving everything and joining a hippie commune.""
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/05/were-we-happier-in-the-stone-age

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    That's awful Mr Socrates. Agree with Mr Dancer. What on earth does one do in those circumstances. Electronics are one thing but ......
  • Sympathies to Mr and Mrs Socrates.

    Hope they find the ring and other items.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Smarmeron said:

    Op ed in the Guardian, but this did make me smile.

    "Suppose, for the sake of argument, that we could somehow scientifically prove that higher standards of living did not translate into greater happiness. "But David," we could say, "look at these historical, psychological and biological studies. They prove beyond any reasonable doubt that having bigger houses, tastier ice-cream and even better medicines does not increase human happiness." "Really?" he would gasp, "Why did nobody tell me! Well, if that's the case, forget about my plans to boost economic growth. I am leaving everything and joining a hippie commune.""
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/05/were-we-happier-in-the-stone-age

    The bit that made me smile was the fact that the author seems to believe that economic growth equals greater prosperity.
  • 9/11 anniversary

    Not wanting to alarm people, but is anyone else on here more concerned than usual about next week's 9/11 anniversary?

    There's been the story about the Libyan airliners in the hands of Islamic militants, and the article below is worth a look, what do people think?

    Credible information has reached Saudi, British and Australian agencies that two al Qaeda branches – IS in Iraq and Syria and AQAP at its base in Yemen - have wrapped up plans to roll out coordinated terrorist spectaculars around the 13th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. According to DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism sources, they are preparing to strike simultaneously in the Middle East and a West European city. Next, they will go for US targets in the Middle East and Europe.

    http://www.debka.com/article/24237/Al-Qaeda’s-9-11-anniversary-attacks-ready-to-go-New-undetectable-explosive-may-be-used

    Something to be concerned about - or not? Has anyone else picked up on similar stories etc? Does it feel different this year?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @HurstLlama
    There is a bit of truth in the article? The number of people I know who have boats in the driveway, that they don't have time to use is frightening.
  • new thread
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Smarmeron said:

    @HurstLlama
    There is a bit of truth in the article? The number of people I know who have boats in the driveway, that they don't have time to use is frightening.

    There is a bit of truth yes but it is hard to be happy if you are dead.

    Dunno about boats in the driveway we don't have that around here.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000
    Socrates said:

    Just got home to find we've been burgled again... bastards. Missus Socrates in tears. Bastards should get a decade behind bars for pulling this shit.

    Really sorry to hear this Having also had my flat ransacked of its valuables, I know what a terrible feeling it is to look around your home and not feel safe anymore.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    MikeK said:

    David Coburn was on track calling the SNP a child of fascism. Have a butchers at the contents below:

    WHAT THE HECK IS THIS? this wee book of propaganda was being handed outside a school in Selkirk! #VoteNO protect kids pic.twitter.com/9V4IeObOkt

    — Caroline Santos (@Casumptious) September 5, 2014

    UKIP really are mentally deranged halfwits. At least it is helping their BT partners look even more nasty.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    TUD Brown won over 40% of the vote in the 2010 election, so was on about the same rating as Salmond got in 2011

    Not persons, but their parties. You are comparing Westminster vs Holyrood. And the Keep the Tories Out factor applied in the first, with FPTP.

    But still trying to work out how Mr Miliband could be less popular than Mr Cameron in Scotland today ...

    Carnyx, HiFUD is thick, being a unionist he is used to lying hence misleading numbers being used.
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