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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    edited September 2014
    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other. There is nothing bad or violent in it , but it does come across as scary at times if you are not used to it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.

    How many planes will President Eck have on his flagship, the Vital Spark?
    One Presidential Learjet with all the trimmings.

    BTW You've named the vessel incorrectly - it should be the 'Taj Mahal', with a sister ship 'Spice Island'.
    You will soon have IQ of a 2 year old, keep up the good work.
  • BBC – “Leader of Somali Islamist group al-Shabab, Ahmed Abdi Godane, killed by US attack earlier this week, Pentagon says”

    RIP.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29086800
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    BenM said:


    Stewart Wood‏@StewartWood
    The Conservative Party's recovery in the polls now in overdrive:
    29/11/12: 32%
    19/06/13: 32%
    17/01/14: 32%
    04/04/14: 32%
    Today: 32%
    @YouGov

    Heh.

    Hey BenM, didn't you bet that UK GDP would grow less than 2% in 2014?

    How are you feeling about that now?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    BTW You've named the vessel incorrectly - it should be the 'Taj Mahal', with a sister ship 'Spice Island'.

    I was talking about the flagship...

    1.bp.blogspot.com/_O_hK0iUVXLI/TIJA3755GKI/AAAAAAAABis/8ljDWYinFUo/s1600/IMG_6149_vital_spark.jpg
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
    Unionism?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
    We like an argument?

    (Easy comeback here....)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.

    How many planes will President Eck have on his flagship, the Vital Spark?
    One Presidential Learjet with all the trimmings.

    BTW You've named the vessel incorrectly - it should be the 'Taj Mahal', with a sister ship 'Spice Island'.
    You will soon have IQ of a 2 year old, keep up the good work.
    IQ is reasonably constant through life.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Further to my comment yesterday about Scotland and the Braveheart effect, someone has written a book about it. Chapter 5, on page 123, is called "Scotland and the Braveheart Effect"

    One factoid from it that caught my attention; in the month that the film was released the SNP got their highest poll rating in 7 years.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Anyway, I identify as British more than English...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Socrates said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Socrates said:

    165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.

    That will be devastating for them long term.

    The numbers were just as bad in the early 1980s. As the economy recovered people moved back from the UK.

    Ireland is currently the only country in Europe outgrowing the UK.

    It is also the only country in Europe where the PMIs and Employment Optimism numbers are better than the UK.
    It's pretty easy to grow quickly when you're still climbing back from a 20% drop in GDP. You're just going back to where you were before.
    Given the way Irish FDI is picking up, and that debt-to-GDP is now falling, it's very hard not be pretty optimistic about the Irish economy in the medium term. (Also, remember it's two largest trading partners are the UK and the US.)

    If the UK were to vote to leave the EU, you would expect a lot of relocations to Ireland. I know a number of the big investment banks have been investigating property in Dublin - ostensibly for moving back offices, but also as an insurance policy.

    Dublin real estate is bouncing hard of its lows. I think it could stll be extremely interesting.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
    We like an argument?

    (Easy comeback here....)
    cats?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    edited September 2014

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    and no planes on the carriers, they will be very useful.

    How many planes will President Eck have on his flagship, the Vital Spark?
    One Presidential Learjet with all the trimmings.

    BTW You've named the vessel incorrectly - it should be the 'Taj Mahal', with a sister ship 'Spice Island'.
    You will soon have IQ of a 2 year old, keep up the good work.
    IQ is reasonably constant through life.
    He is doomed to continue dribbling then
  • Socrates said:

    Anyway, I identify as British more than English...

    Just like an immigrant......
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Better Together are pushing “an inconvenient truth for Salmond” today: that more SNP supporters are voting No than Labour supporters voting Yes.
    Realised Eck is an empty suit?

    http://labourlist.org/2014/09/scottish-referendum-the-liveblog/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Anyway, I identify as British more than English...

    Just like an immigrant......
    Touche.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:


    Let them eat turnips

    Like
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Scott_P said:

    Better Together are pushing “an inconvenient truth for Salmond” today: that more SNP supporters are voting No than Labour supporters voting Yes.
    Realised Eck is an empty suit?

    http://labourlist.org/2014/09/scottish-referendum-the-liveblog/

    Ha Ha Ha , what a rogues gallery in that picture, have you ever seen as many Scottish Tories together in the one photo
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000
    Scott_P said:

    @MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget


    Better tell the CIA then - they calculated UK defence spending in 2012 as 2.49% of GDP

  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000
    Socrates said:

    Will an SNP govt of iScotland increase spending to 2% of GDP, in line with NATO commitments?

    Not a huge leap from the 1.81 % spending planned
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Bashed neeps?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Laissez-les manger des navets , ils sont savoureux avec haggis et pommes de terre en purée
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    perdix said:

    Socrates said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget

    @AliBunkallSKY: 2nd UK Aircraft Carrier, Prince of Wales, WILL come into service with the Royal Navy, David Cameron announces

    Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?

    Fantastic news. Will they stick to it?
    No. The 2% spend has been a NATO agreement for years and only four countries, including the UK, have stuck to it. Note too the date, the agreement is that they will spend 2% of GDP p.a. by 2024. This is just more meaningless guff, promise to do something in ten years time which they have already promised, and failed, to do.

    Note too that the UK will probably comply with the agreement next year when the next set of Treasury imposed defence cuts, sorry I mean the next Strategic Defence Review, take place. The UK current spends about 2.4% on defence so this new pledge provides lots of nice political cover for more cuts.

    By the way, looking at the afternoon papers, its seems we are gearing up to go to war in Iraq again.
    With UK GDP rising more quickly than expected the ratio of spend to GDP is likely to appear to reduce.

    Yes of course it will if spending stays constant. It will also reduce if spending is cut as I am sure it will be. Today's agreement allows HMG to cut the actual amounts whilst declaring we are complying with NATO standards.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
    We like an argument?

    (Easy comeback here....)
    cats?
    I was expecting a rapid "No we don't" response, but alas...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,890
    Scott_P said:



    Enlarged Royal Navy and British Army, with no Scots...?

    The New Gurkhas !

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    rcs1000 said:

    Socrates said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Socrates said:

    165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.

    That will be devastating for them long term.

    The numbers were just as bad in the early 1980s. As the economy recovered people moved back from the UK.

    Ireland is currently the only country in Europe outgrowing the UK.

    It is also the only country in Europe where the PMIs and Employment Optimism numbers are better than the UK.
    It's pretty easy to grow quickly when you're still climbing back from a 20% drop in GDP. You're just going back to where you were before.
    ... I know a number of the big investment banks have been investigating property in Dublin - ostensibly for moving back offices, but also as an insurance policy. ...

    Big investment banks thinking of moving to an area where they will definitely be hit with the FTT? Something doesn't add up there.

    We have been told by these banks that the FTT is wrong, evil and will drive business out of the city and now you are telling us that these same banks are planning to move to where they will definitely have to pay the tax.

    I detect the odour of a rodent.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MattW said:


    The New Gurkhas !

    Impoverished natives of a remote mountain country with limited prospects at home, offered an opportunity to join one of the greatest military organisations in the World, travel and earn a pension.

    Could be attractive for some...
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Laissez-les manger des navets , ils sont savoureux avec haggis et pommes de terre en purée
    You'll never convince me MrG - as many a Burn's nights celebrated in the Mess will attest.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    edited September 2014

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Laissez-les manger des navets , ils sont savoureux avec haggis et pommes de terre en purée
    You'll never convince me MrG - as many a Burn's nights celebrated in the Mess will attest.
    Simon, I absolutely love it. You could console yourself with a nice dram.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Laissez-les manger des navets , ils sont savoureux avec haggis et pommes de terre en purée
    You'll never convince me MrG - as many a Burn's nights celebrated in the Mess will attest.
    Simon, I absolutely love it. You could console yourself with a nice dram.
    It's a Gordons for me!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014
    Highly esteemed guardian corresponder Shaun Walker at his finest:

    Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky 50m
    Ukrainian tanks leave the eastern edge of Mariupol. This ceasefire might be real.

    Shaun WalkerVerified account
    @shaunwalker7
    @SimonOstrovsky FYI they stopped about 20metres down the road!!

    Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky 42m
    @shaunwalker7 get your face out of the minibar, we caught up with them and they're gone now

    Shaun Walker ‏@shaunwalker7 41m
    @SimonOstrovsky major movement among the cognac miniatures observed

    Kevin Bishop ‏@bishopk 40m
    @SimonOstrovsky @shaunwalker7 Shaun's high on the scnet of dill Simon. Give him a break
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited September 2014
    That 79% Turnout buy price from Sporting for the Indy referendum makes that double pronged <80% turnout cum YES vote bet from Ladbrokes look decidedly dodgy. As I suggested at the time Shadsy launched this slightly crafty bet, a straight punt on the turnout exceeding 75% then available at slightly better odds looked a decidedly better investment.

    As Richard Nabavi pointed out earlier, Sporting's so-called "Independence Index" market is nothing other than a dressed-up fixed odds bet on the Yes/No outcome at not overly attractive prices.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Laissez-les manger des navets , ils sont savoureux avec haggis et pommes de terre en purée
    You'll never convince me MrG - as many a Burn's nights celebrated in the Mess will attest.
    Simon, I absolutely love it. You could console yourself with a nice dram.
    No need for consolation MrG - I more than made up for it with extra helping s of cranachan.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other.
    It's for The Spectator.

    I suspect you'll be portrayed as malcolm Antoinette, every other post a 'Turnip' insult.

    Bon chance!
    Let them eat turnips
    Arf - Je n'aime pas les navets
    Laissez-les manger des navets , ils sont savoureux avec haggis et pommes de terre en purée
    You'll never convince me MrG - as many a Burn's nights celebrated in the Mess will attest.
    Simon, I absolutely love it. You could console yourself with a nice dram.
    It's a Gordons for me!
    I have been known to partake of one myself
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
    We like an argument?

    (Easy comeback here....)
    No we don't! Liar! Turnip!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Intriguing. Can you find characteristics that unite you, me, plato, Socrates, Isam and Hugh?

    We are all sort of literate, I suppose.
    We like an argument?

    (Easy comeback here....)
    No we don't! Liar! Turnip!
    Shouldn't that be described as an abusive relationship?
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2014
    sarissa said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MarkUrban01: Nato members just agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. For the UK that will actually mean a substantial increase to def budget

    Better tell the CIA then - they calculated UK defence spending in 2012 as 2.49% of GDP
    What it was is irrelevant. What matters is what it will be:

    British defence spending to fall below Nato benchmark
    Study by Royal United Services Institute predicts Britain's spending on defence will fall to 1.88 per cent of GDP - below the Nato benchmark of two per cent


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11076149/British-defence-spending-to-fall-below-Nato-benchmark.html

    The Tories begin laying IAD's for Labour (given generally Labour haved far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would)?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    So, Coburns 'a cuckoo' for raising a topic that's actually true?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited September 2014
    Socrates said:

    malcolmg said:

    Patrick said:

    MikeK said:

    SeanT said:

    Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.

    It will certainly be a cathartic moment if YES is triumphant and would UKIP be able to keep it's name?
    We are the UK and if Scotland is leaving we will, I suppose, still be the UK. Maybe 'the UK of England, Wales and NI'. Much easier just to leave well alone.

    (p.s. my own view on what to do with the flag is to recognise Wales by turning the blue bits of the Union Jack green - thus giving a red, white and green flag as a nod to Wales. Dark green. British Racing Green. Jaguar green. Would look awesome and retain all the iconic design elements of our current flag.)
    Patrick , hard to kid anyone that Wales or a small corner of Ireland are kingdoms.
    No-one would be claiming they are kingdoms. Scotland and England aren't kingdoms either. There is one, united kingdom.
    Worth noting that getting rid of Mr C at that time would not help in sorting things out post a Yes - as Mr Martin says in the DT:

    "For all that it is fashionable among some Tory MPs to say that England doesn't really care, the impact of a split would be immense in terms of the potential for economic chaos and existential crisis. It is a mistake to think that the end of the Union would somehow be breezed through by the Former UK (what Boris Johnson says it should be called, think about the acronym.)

    And it's there that the case for Cameron's immediate removal collapses. After a Yes vote, someone will need to guide the Rest of the UK through very messy negotiations with Scotland. If not Cameron, who?"

    I find it extraordinary that Tory backbenchers should be talking of changing the captain at such a time. But, on the other hand, their implicit refusal to allow Devomax is (in my view if not everyone's) would be a key reason for a Yes.

    Edit PS: and it won't help the worries/uncertainty caused by the Coalition and the Civil Service loudly claiming they have No Contingency Planning.


  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    O/T reports of Farage meeting Murdoch in New York. The sooner Murdoch gets out of British politics the better for this country. He has been responsible for the debasement of British culture and has only been interested in his own advancement. I first remember his bowing down to the Chinese by taking BBC programmes off his HK Star satellite.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2014
    I fear this is not a spoof, despite wavering a few times whilst watching the [unintentionally hilarious] video.

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/05/someone-is-trying-to-ban-peppa-pig-4858123

    EDIT: Peppa ain't taking this lying down: https://www.facebook.com/peppapigagainstmuslims
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2014

    " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    Oh Hurst I didn't say they had but they'd have less trouble doing so

    PS But as you ask it marginally increased in 2011 and again this year
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    As for child protection, those authority figures such as policemen and council staff, who turned a blind eye to abuse in Rotherham, could well be those appointed as child guardians in Scotland. Can you not see the flaw in this plan?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,031
    Anorak said:

    I fear this is not a spoof, despite wavering a few times whilst watching the [unintentionally hilarious] video.

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/05/someone-is-trying-to-ban-peppa-pig-4858123

    EDIT: Peppa ain't taking this lying down: https://www.facebook.com/peppapigagainstmuslims

    I feel for his children.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    So, Coburns 'a cuckoo' for raising a topic that's actually true?
    No he is mentally deranged to portray it and the other topics as he does. Any moronic halfwit dribbling about Nazis etc is obviously not very bright and indeed is very like yourself. You may indeed be that halfwit.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    Oh Hurst I didn't say they had but they'd have less trouble doing so
    Fair enough. As an aside it would seem Cameron is living up to his Heir to Blair reputation by taking on more military commitments whilst at the same time cutting the resources available. The UK he says will provide the HQ and 25% of the new NATO rapid reaction force for Eastern Europe, including forward staging of equipment. He really does want to take his part on the world stage, but like Blair he doesn't want to pay for it.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited September 2014
    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other. There is nothing bad or violent in it , but it does come across as scary at times if you are not used to it.
    We had a quiet and deep colleague from the extreme north of Scotland, bespectacled, bearded and ginger. Rather forward myself, one day over lunch I mentioned that he seemed a very quiet sort. After a pause he said it was cultural and that if I thought he was quiet I should meet his brother.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    So, Coburns 'a cuckoo' for raising a topic that's actually true?
    No he is mentally deranged to portray it and the other topics as he does. Any moronic halfwit dribbling about Nazis etc is obviously not very bright and indeed is very like yourself. You may indeed be that halfwit.
    It's a shame that you consider it perfectly acceptable, and amusing, to continually joke about mental illness, and disability. But not surprising.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Karma
    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Toms said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other. There is nothing bad or violent in it , but it does come across as scary at times if you are not used to it.
    We had a quiet and deep colleague from the extreme north of Scotland, bespectacled, bearded and ginger. Rather forward myself, one day over lunch I mentioned that he seemed a very quiet sort. After a pause he said it was cultural and that I thought he was quiet I should meet his brother.
    I suppose I was far too generalist , but in my experience, Scottish tend to be more blunt in their discussions. You are correct that we will have our full spectrum and plenty shrinking violets. I accept the reprimand.
  • " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    A couple of years ago, IIRC.

    And as much as we criticise Labour, their spending on defence was the same when they left power as when they entered, although the measure was slightly altered in 1998/9.

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/historic-government-spending-area

    If so, why does it seem that the military is less capable? Is it because new kit is so expensive that it is just a black hole that sucks up funds?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    So, Coburns 'a cuckoo' for raising a topic that's actually true?
    No he is mentally deranged to portray it and the other topics as he does. Any moronic halfwit dribbling about Nazis etc is obviously not very bright and indeed is very like yourself. You may indeed be that halfwit.
    It's a shame that you consider it perfectly acceptable, and amusing, to continually joke about mental illness, and disability. But not surprising.
    Dear Dear , you have the violins out now. Go get a life, that guy is either not the full shilling or a comedian and that is no joke.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    malcolmg said:

    Toms said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other. There is nothing bad or violent in it , but it does come across as scary at times if you are not used to it.
    We had a quiet and deep colleague from the extreme north of Scotland, bespectacled, bearded and ginger. Rather forward myself, one day over lunch I mentioned that he seemed a very quiet sort. After a pause he said it was cultural and that I thought he was quiet I should meet his brother.
    I suppose I was far too generalist , but in my experience, Scottish tend to be more blunt in their discussions. You are correct that we will have our full spectrum and plenty shrinking violets. I accept the reprimand.
    I sometimes suffer from extreme garrulity, especially when high on caffeine.
  • Snooks either.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    So, Coburns 'a cuckoo' for raising a topic that's actually true?
    No he is mentally deranged to portray it and the other topics as he does. Any moronic halfwit dribbling about Nazis etc is obviously not very bright and indeed is very like yourself. You may indeed be that halfwit.
    It's a shame that you consider it perfectly acceptable, and amusing, to continually joke about mental illness, and disability. But not surprising.
    Dear Dear , you have the violins out now. Go get a life, that guy is either not the full shilling or a comedian and that is no joke.
    Just think of all those Spectator subscribers reading the choicer posts from an example of the common Nat.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    A couple of years ago, IIRC.

    And as much as we criticise Labour, their spending on defence was the same when they left power as when they entered, although the measure was slightly altered in 1998/9.

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/historic-government-spending-area

    If so, why does it seem that the military is less capable? Is it because new kit is so expensive that it is just a black hole that sucks up funds?
    Like the NHS. Seriously.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Plato said:

    Karma

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    As stupid as ever I see, I am very proud of what I am and proud to be Scottish, you cringe if you want to
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    rcs1000 said:

    Given the way Irish FDI is picking up, and that debt-to-GDP is now falling, it's very hard not be pretty optimistic about the Irish economy in the medium term. (Also, remember it's two largest trading partners are the UK and the US.)

    If the UK were to vote to leave the EU, you would expect a lot of relocations to Ireland. I know a number of the big investment banks have been investigating property in Dublin - ostensibly for moving back offices, but also as an insurance policy.

    Dublin real estate is bouncing hard of its lows. I think it could stll be extremely interesting.

    To move into the FTT zone, especially as it would be easier to avoid over here if we were out? Seems unlikely. Plus the Irish state wouldn't have the firepower to stand behind such a large banking sector unlike over here. We saw what happened when a couple of medium sized banks went to the wall and it's not like the ECB is particularly helpful either having seen what happened in Cyprus. To leave the relative calm and safety of the City for Ireland would be insanity. Frankfurt, otoh, would profit from us leaving the EU, though not as much as those within the EU want to believe.

    I also think that Britain leaving wouldn't be an isolated incident, it would basically mean that the EU is giving up on Anglo-Saxon capitalism, hardly a ringing endorsement that would attract businesses, plus I think the Scandinavians wouldn't stick around for too long if Britain agreed a quick free trade deal (which is the most likely outcome). Part of the attraction of Britain being in the EU is that we are in it, without us it loses a huge buyer, businesses and consumers. One thing is for sure, Germans aren't going to suddenly think that their personal level austerity was wrong and replace us.

    Overall I don't think the City will look much different post-EU exit. Especially if the EU is stupid enough to go through with a FTT and JCJ tries to create a new commissioner for financial regulation rather than leaving it to the internal markets commissioner. The attraction of being in the EU has definitely waned in the last few years, and without a doubt some business will move to the EU (and without an Euro passport being offered for Britain that might happen anyway depending on the ECJ ruling), but overall I don't think the City will disappear overnight, my job, for example is not going to change one iota by the UK not being in the EU, and I don't expect we would move much overseas.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dear Dear , BT partners losing the plot big time, serious meltdown in progress.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html?1409915478

    Interesting link, MarieG.

    'Coburn said that the SNP's new child welfare laws to have every child in Scotland watched by a state-sponsored "named guardian" was "terrifying", and "worthy of Goebbels and Stalin". "That means a Stasi spy in every home in Scotland," he added.'
    He is almost as cuckoo as you, who could take UKIP seriously with a deranged nutter like that in their party and an MEP.
    So The Children and Young People Bill, doesn't include a plan for every child to have a ‘Named Person’ with the legal authority to ensure they are raised in a government-approved manner.

    Is that correct?
    If you cared to look at what it was it is indeed to protect children and prevent what we see happening in other countries nearby. It is to protect children and give them the right to be heard, not ignored and hidden/dismissed as we see recently.
    I would not expect a cretin like yourself to comprehend that children need protection. Perhaps you prefer the Rotherham policy.
    So, Coburns 'a cuckoo' for raising a topic that's actually true?
    No he is mentally deranged to portray it and the other topics as he does. Any moronic halfwit dribbling about Nazis etc is obviously not very bright and indeed is very like yourself. You may indeed be that halfwit.
    It's a shame that you consider it perfectly acceptable, and amusing, to continually joke about mental illness, and disability. But not surprising.
    Dear Dear , you have the violins out now. Go get a life, that guy is either not the full shilling or a comedian and that is no joke.
    Just think of all those Spectator subscribers reading the choicer posts from an example of the common Nat.
    Better than the usual jackanory rubbish they usually get.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    A couple of years ago, IIRC.

    And as much as we criticise Labour, their spending on defence was the same when they left power as when they entered, although the measure was slightly altered in 1998/9.

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/historic-government-spending-area

    If so, why does it seem that the military is less capable? Is it because new kit is so expensive that it is just a black hole that sucks up funds?
    Spending went up only if you think that 34 is a bigger number than 38!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    perdix said:

    O/T reports of Farage meeting Murdoch in New York.

    Interesting, because the Sun was vehemently anti-UKIP in this year's elections.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Fraser Nelson has an interesting article in the DT on the parallels between Quebec's 1995 referendum and Scotland's now, with the Quebec No side also seeing a rapidly shrinking lead, and how after Yes took the lead PM Chretian made a televised appeal for unity and a unity rally was held in Montreal, helping to push late undecideds in the No camp for a razor thin No victory
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11075338/Canada-can-show-David-Cameron-how-to-rescue-our-United-Kingdom.html
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Toms said:

    malcolmg said:

    Toms said:

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    Re indyref, I've been commissioned by the Spectator to do a piece on national character, vis a vis Scottishness and Englishness, following my earlier observation re the disputed Rhineland, Frenchness is the Islam of nationalities. Believes it is inherently superior: therefore is perpetually irritated by clear evidence it isn't...

    I hope malcolmg won't mind if I use some of his remarks as illustrations of a certain type of Scottishness.

    Sean, As I ham it up on here most of the time , they may not actually all be accurate. Happy that you promote the fact that YES voters are passionate and not driven by money as unionists seem to focus on all the time. Be interesting to see if you really understand me from the myriad good and bad stuff I put on here.

    PS: Let us know when the article is out. My observation is that we are more in your face , the further south you go the more they dance around things scared to offend etc and so do not show how they really feel. We are happy to just call a spade a spade and rip the mince out of each other. There is nothing bad or violent in it , but it does come across as scary at times if you are not used to it.
    We had a quiet and deep colleague from the extreme north of Scotland, bespectacled, bearded and ginger. Rather forward myself, one day over lunch I mentioned that he seemed a very quiet sort. After a pause he said it was cultural and that I thought he was quiet I should meet his brother.
    I suppose I was far too generalist , but in my experience, Scottish tend to be more blunt in their discussions. You are correct that we will have our full spectrum and plenty shrinking violets. I accept the reprimand.
    I sometimes suffer from extreme garrulity, especially when high on caffeine.
    I have to say the level of posts on here by the frothers does lead me to posting lots of rubbish. The variability of the discussions on here between intelligent people and the drivel by the frothers is incredible. It is easy just to reply with absolute rubbish, lazy I admit but otherwise I would just give up and leave. I hope that I manage to enlighten the cretins just a little bit now and again. The standard of posting and knowledge of Scotland on here is shocking.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    HYUFD said:

    Fraser Nelson has an interesting article in the DT on the parallels between Quebec's 1995 referendum and Scotland's now, with the Quebec No side also seeing a rapidly shrinking lead, and how after Yes took the lead PM Chretian made a televised appeal for unity and a unity rally was held in Montreal, helping to push late undecideds in the No camp for a razor thin No victory
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11075338/Canada-can-show-David-Cameron-how-to-rescue-our-United-Kingdom.html

    That would go down well here .........LOL
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Simon Jenkins joins Monbiot as another upper middle class Englishman who hates his country
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/scottish-independence-yes-vote-leaner-meaner-scotland

    Hats off to Polly Toynbee though, at least she has the guts to stick up for the union
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801

    rcs1000 said:

    Socrates said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Socrates said:

    165,000 15-24 year olds have moved out of Ireland in the last five years? There's only about 4.5 million people in Ireland. That age group must be about, what, an eighth of their population? That's about half a million. So about 30% of Irish youths have left? And probably the more talented ones too.

    That will be devastating for them long term.

    The numbers were just as bad in the early 1980s. As the economy recovered people moved back from the UK.

    Ireland is currently the only country in Europe outgrowing the UK.

    It is also the only country in Europe where the PMIs and Employment Optimism numbers are better than the UK.
    It's pretty easy to grow quickly when you're still climbing back from a 20% drop in GDP. You're just going back to where you were before.
    ... I know a number of the big investment banks have been investigating property in Dublin - ostensibly for moving back offices, but also as an insurance policy. ...

    Big investment banks thinking of moving to an area where they will definitely be hit with the FTT? Something doesn't add up there.

    We have been told by these banks that the FTT is wrong, evil and will drive business out of the city and now you are telling us that these same banks are planning to move to where they will definitely have to pay the tax.

    I detect the odour of a rodent.
    Must be all those world class educational institutions and renowned cultural offerings.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Canadian PM Stephen Harper backs the union http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29059118
  • " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    A couple of years ago, IIRC.

    And as much as we criticise Labour, their spending on defence was the same when they left power as when they entered, although the measure was slightly altered in 1998/9.

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/historic-government-spending-area

    If so, why does it seem that the military is less capable? Is it because new kit is so expensive that it is just a black hole that sucks up funds?
    Spending went up only if you think that 34 is a bigger number than 38!
    ??? Perhaps I'm being thick, but what figures are you referring to?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Danny565 said:

    perdix said:

    O/T reports of Farage meeting Murdoch in New York.

    Interesting, because the Sun was vehemently anti-UKIP in this year's elections.
    It'll be interesting to see how quickly the SUN changes it's tune re UKIP, if indeed it does. Editorial changes pending, perhaps?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Will also be interesting to see whether the coalition of LDs and Labour MPs who have defeated the bedroom tax at first reading have also dented the Yes armoury
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29075300
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Danny565 said:

    perdix said:

    O/T reports of Farage meeting Murdoch in New York.

    Interesting, because the Sun was vehemently anti-UKIP in this year's elections.
    So was the times
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    BenM said:


    Stewart Wood‏@StewartWood
    The Conservative Party's recovery in the polls now in overdrive:
    29/11/12: 32%
    19/06/13: 32%
    17/01/14: 32%
    04/04/14: 32%
    Today: 32%
    @YouGov

    Heh.

    Random dates that support an argument convince you? No wonder your views on the economy are dodgy!
    Socrates said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Telegraph contemplating Cameron's retirement after YES, yet denying it could happen (stupidly)

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100285383/a-tory-plot-to-remove-cameron-in-the-event-of-scottish-independence-would-be-deeply-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Look at the names mentioned as replacements, and remember what I told you about the odds on their being next PM: Osborne 25/1, Hague, 50/1.

    Hague would stand in - no way it would be Clegg - and given he is retiring you could do a quick primary (assuming Cameron doesn't stay on). Not sure the interim would count - didn't people get tripped up with Beckett as leader of the Labour Party?
    The second most senior position in the government is the Chancellor of the Exchequer, then the Foreign Secretary, so more likely to be Osborne or Hammond than Hague.
    But they will be candidates for the job full time, which Hague won't be.
  • The fearsome SLAB electoral machine is finally getting into its stride.

    'Scottish independence:Govan closes doors to Lamont

    SCOTTISH Labour leader Johann Lamont got the wrong No vote today when she took to the SNP heartland -- and was met with closed doors.
    The MSP for Glasgow Pollok made a ‘behind enemy lines’ visit to Govan, in deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon’s Govan constituency, to argue the pro-Union case with voters.
    But despite an army of Labour supporters knocking doors, only three residents engaged in conversation with her - while several even came outside to return the leaflets pushed through their letter boxes.
    The weak response from SNP voters got worse when a pensioner refused to even discuss with Lamont how she would be voting on the 18th.
    But Lamont later insisted it had been a successful exercise and not a waste of her time.'

    http://tinyurl.com/p3dflk9
    (it's the Scotsman in case anyone thinks there's some bias in the piece)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    MalcolmG How do you know, most Scots have relatives or friends in England and Wales
  • Why would they report this (if true), surely that just kills any potential mission? We know that they have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website, the info will be conveyed through other source as it is now on one of the worlds most visited websites.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2744873/Primed-ready-rescue-British-hostage-night-time-raid-SAS-squadron-alert-David-Cameron-order-high-risk-mission-bring-home-aid-worker.html
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    " Labour have far more problems with increasing Defence spending than the Tories normally would?"

    When was the last time a Conservative government increased defence spending?

    A couple of years ago, IIRC.

    And as much as we criticise Labour, their spending on defence was the same when they left power as when they entered, although the measure was slightly altered in 1998/9.

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/historic-government-spending-area

    If so, why does it seem that the military is less capable? Is it because new kit is so expensive that it is just a black hole that sucks up funds?
    Spending went up only if you think that 34 is a bigger number than 38!
    ??? Perhaps I'm being thick, but what figures are you referring to?
    Well you said that the government had increased defence spending a couple of years ago. That is only true if £34bn is a greater sum than £38bn. The budget has been reduced every year since the coalition came to power this year it will be £33bn. Factor in inflation on top and defence has been hammered. Then from next year the nuclear deterrent is to be carried on the core budget, which it never has been before.

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited September 2014
    Hague is technically the most senior member of the Cabinet after Cameron.

    Note that Hague is the First Secretary of State. He specifically retained that title when he gave up being Foreign Secretary.

    Per Number 10 website:

    1. Cameron
    2. Clegg
    3. Hague
    4. Osborne
    5. May
    6. Hammond

    https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    HYUFD, "Simon Jenkins joins Monbiot as another upper middle class Englishman who hates his country...."

    Simon might well concede that he is upper middle class.

    But, ....., English. No.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/05/scotland-ukip-alex-salmond_n_5770734.html

    David Coburn call the SNP a dirivative of fascism. Not pulling any punches according to Huff.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Why would they report this (if true), surely that just kills any potential mission? We know that they have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website, the info will be conveyed through other source as it is now on one of the worlds most visited websites.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2744873/Primed-ready-rescue-British-hostage-night-time-raid-SAS-squadron-alert-David-Cameron-order-high-risk-mission-bring-home-aid-worker.html

    It's hardly a surprise - kidnappers would be expecting some kind of reprisal or attack anyway.

    Daily Mail loves a good military gung ho story too
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited September 2014

    Why would they report this (if true), surely that just kills any potential mission? We know that they have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website, the info will be conveyed through other source as it is now on one of the worlds most visited websites.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2744873/Primed-ready-rescue-British-hostage-night-time-raid-SAS-squadron-alert-David-Cameron-order-high-risk-mission-bring-home-aid-worker.html

    It's hardly a surprise - kidnappers would be expecting some kind of reprisal or attack anyway.

    Daily Mail loves a good military gung ho story too
    I am sure the hostage takers are expecting a rescue mission, as the west have been messing about for so long talking about this, it just seem irresponsible on the Daily Mail to post this.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954
    edited September 2014

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014

    Why would they report this (if true), surely that just kills any potential mission? We know that they have internet access, although I doubt they are sitting looking at half naked celebs on the Daily Rant website, the info will be conveyed through other source as it is now on one of the worlds most visited websites.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2744873/Primed-ready-rescue-British-hostage-night-time-raid-SAS-squadron-alert-David-Cameron-order-high-risk-mission-bring-home-aid-worker.html

    It's hardly a surprise - kidnappers would be expecting some kind of reprisal or attack anyway.

    Daily Mail loves a good military gung ho story too
    I am sure the hostage takers are expecting a mission, it just seem irresponsible on the Daily Mail to post this.
    Hardly. There's nothing in the article that couldn't be guessed at, or found on the internet. Which is what the Mail have clearly done.

    Or it's part of a plan to spook the kidnappers, and get caught moving the hostages.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    YBardd Simon Jenkins was born in Birmingham, educated in London and Oxford and is chairman of the National Trust, of course he is English
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    I still don't understand why Labour have been so incompetent with the No campaign. If Scotland were to become independent it would be sad for the Tories as they are a unionist party at the core, but they would learn to live with it, for Labour it would be an absolute disaster, the core of the Labour party comes from Scotland as do almost a fifth of their MPs. I find it difficult to believe that Labour could win a majority or even the most seats in Parliament without Scottish MPs, the Tories have come up against the same problem since 1997 after the remaining vestiges of the party in Scotland were wiped away and replaced with a tide of red.

    I really don't understand why Labour haven't done better, there are a lot of positives for Scotland being in the union beyond the pound which Darling has been stuck on like a broken record. It looks like there may be enough voters ready to take the risk of just doing it anyway regardless of the risks laid out by the No side. Instead of constantly going on about the negatives of independence no one has set out the positives of being in the union, of which there are many.

    I am personally in favour of Scottish independence, I think after this campaign a No vote would be a very hollow victory and I don't think Scotland would be the same afterwards, there is too much bad blood between the unionists and independentists for things to return to normal. The only way Scotland grows as a country socially is to go ahead with independence, moving forwards as part of the union in the case of a No will create a lot of bitterness and resentment on the Yes side which I don't think will be good for Scotland or the union. I think the No side will deal with a loss much better, again because of the positive vision being sold by the Yes side, there is still a lot to look forwards to in an independent Scotland after all.

    However, going back to my central point, how has Labour let it even get this far? Their tactics have been awful from the off and no one seems to have taken a step back and tried to fix the errors, they are still hammering away with the negative message. The other part is that Labour seem almost embarrassed to speak up for the union. It may have been an English Navy that ruled the seas, but it was Scottish engineers that made it happen. Labour seem to be embarrassed by Scotland and England's shared history because it does involve a lot of conquest, but it is what it is and not making more of that has been one of the central failures. Together Scotland and England are stronger than apart, history has shown that to be a fact, Labour needed to do more on what the two nations have achieved together as a single country rather than be embarrassed about an imperial past.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Having equipment and no soldiers isn't very useful and nor is it capable. The government has overspent on procurement at the expense of a conventional military, that is a mistake. They should have canned all of the Labour overhang in 2010 and better armed the existing army rather than spending so heavily on ships and planes that won't come into service until 2018 or armoured vehicle and tanks until 2022.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    saddened said:

    glw said:

    The reason why the military is far less capable than ever is because there is far less of it.

    The military may be smaller, and spending has gone down, but saying that it is less capable than ever is a hell of a stretch. The equipment we do have is much improved, and our armed forces are now obviously very experienced due to Iraq and Afghanistan.
    A ship, aeroplane or soldier can only be in one place.
    What do you want the military to be capable of? How much force projection do we need?
    Personally I would like to see the armed forces big enough and sufficiently well equipped to defend our island and essential trade routes against a capable modern enemy and if necessary conduct a very limited forced insertion for hostage rescue/evacuation.
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