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  • Heathener said:

    Yeah well said.

    The youth movements of most parties are full of wild extremes. As it happens this one from Young Labour was pretty mild stuff.

    The modern Young Conservatives have been castrated by CCHQ; there aren't any serious elected roles, CCHQ appoints and pays a YC Manager to "run" things, and they've been reduced basically to one youth conference a year (if they're lucky) and a few social media accounts. Most of the dodgy stuff comes from young small-c conservatives operating with no oversight in small online cliques, and whenever it hits the press CCHQ blacklists them.

    Young Conservatives do get cheaper tickets for the big boy conferences though, which is nice I guess.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,624

    He is having a bad day now Starmer has confirmed there is no rejoining the EU under labour
    I’m sure quite a few FBPE types are having a meltdown
  • Not just Tories with Russian money:

    EXCL: Labour ex Attorney General Peter Goldsmith takes 'leave of absence' from House of Lords - to not have to declare how much he earns from foreign government clients, including Russia

    Today MPs and peers call for the 'absence' system to be scrapped


    https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1492784038586859526
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,712

    ...Have been watching Tom Baker Dr Who on Brit Box. Not seen much Tom Baker before but he is brilliant at it. 👏🏻

    Currently watching excellent one where Davros builds the first Daleks.
    Douglas Adams was doing scripts at the time, too.
  • Scott_xP said:

    How long can the No10 spinners keep the prime minister dressed-up in hi vis and parroting the agreed lines?

    "Analysis: Boris Johnson's latest 'tour' is another carefully managed PR job for the hi vis PM."

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/analysis-boris-johnson-latest-tour-carefully-managed-pr-job-hi-vis-pm_uk_620a1cf5e4b083bd1cc15ed8?utm_campaign=share_twitter&ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

    Goes nowhere near any member of the public, because his minders know what the response will be to this lying charlatan.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,712

    The modern Young Conservatives have been castrated by CCHQ....
    Sounds a bit drastic.
    Might be worth considering for the PM, though.
  • “Plague island”

    Three weeks later and we still have green across the board on the dashboard.

    Dropping Plan B in England and adding reinfections into these daily reported numbers hasn’t stopped all three metrics from falling.

    England reported cases (31,943) are the lowest since 17 November.


    https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1493256048874082309
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296

    Not just Tories with Russian money:

    EXCL: Labour ex Attorney General Peter Goldsmith takes 'leave of absence' from House of Lords - to not have to declare how much he earns from foreign government clients, including Russia

    Today MPs and peers call for the 'absence' system to be scrapped


    https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1492784038586859526

    I suspect if we had a ledger of Tory politicians and non-Tory politicians working on behalf of the Big Bear, one entry would be comfortably more substantial than the other.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    Just as it was beginning to look as though it might be safe to vote Labour:

    Young Labour @YoungLabour

    UKLabour has too often been on the wrong side of international issues. Young Labour calls on the leadership to stop backing NATO aggression, call wholeheartedly for peace, commit to constructive engagement with activists and deliver international policy around peace and cooperation


    This isn't some random group of nutters, they are actually part of the Labour Party (all party members aged 14 to 26). God help us: a choice between Boris and a party with supporters of Vladimir Putin.

    The full thread is if anything even worse:

    https://twitter.com/YoungLabourUK/status/1493209452698296321

    This is the problem that Starmer has. He needs to sack large parts of the labour party membership.
  • I suspect if we had a ledger of Tory politicians and non-Tory politicians working on behalf of the Big Bear, one entry would be comfortably more substantial than the other.
    I wonder how that’s changed over time?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,257
    edited February 2022

    Nope read what I wrote rather than what you want it to say. If the mere fact you left a bloc means you were always sovereign - which is the idiotic claim made by Topping - then all those former Eastern bloc countries were always sovereign and so is Scotland right now. A claim which is so obviously ludicrous that I am amazed you can even contemplate it.
    Ok, let's leave my NATO analogy (it's not a great one, to be fair).

    Instead consider enforcement.

    Former USSR country, while part of USSR - most senior politician does something directly against USSR policy or rules, what's the punishment? Prosecution. Imprisonment. Worse, perhaps. UDI? The tanks roll in.

    Scottish government does something against UK law, e.g. unauthorised referendum, UDI. Possible prosecution (treason?). Theoretically, the tanks roll in (depends how far up the government HYUFD has got!)

    UK government, while in EU, does something against EU law (or, say, refuses to enact EU law into domestic law). Or has a referendum on 'independence' without asking EU for permission. Or declares UDI. Enforcement? EU could take UK to court. UK gets told to behave and/or fined? Enforcement? The absolute worst is getting kicked out or perhaps trade sanctions. The EU has no power to try the UK PM, does it? Civil court case, perhaps, but not criminal. Has a referendum on leaving without permission? We didn't need EU permission. UDI? EU points to A50, but in practice we can just tear up the treaties and exit immediately by repealing EU law.

    Edit: I accept there is debate over sovereignty, particularly with QMV, but the UK always had the ability to take its toys home if it really didn't like it (as we indeed did). Scotland and the former USSR states do not/did not have that ability. The situations are different. Whether the UK was sovereign does however depend on where you draw that line, so I'm not really arguing on that, just that the USSR is not a good comparison to the EU.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    Taz said:

    I don’t use the word woke so I don’t know why you are throwing that at me but it’s always good to see a man telling women what to think and feel.

    No need to swear either 👍

    Talking of nasties www.terfisaslur.com
    Oh gosh it's that link from you again. Congrats for so well and promptly illustrating my point.

    And I don't like swearing. It takes real idiocy to trigger that from me. So congrats on that too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Poll watch:

    Both YouGov and Opininum have the Labour lead at 3% in their latest surveys. Start of a trend?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    The only place I've been to recently where people were still wearing masks was the blood donating centre.
    Sadly my place of work (the Uni) still 'strongly recommends' them in public areas, such as when moving round corridors etc. I think this has come from above (so advice from DFE) and I'm not convinced it will change when all the restrictions go. After all, its only a recommendation currently.
  • Confidence in the Russian COVID vaccine is high....
    Surely a man with his wealth and connexions could easily buy some high-quality British vaccine.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800

    But only one side doesn’t want a debate and has a government that only consults with supporters of their policy and has a First Minister who dismisses concerns as “not valid”.
    Opposite problem in England.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815

    I suspect if we had a ledger of Tory politicians and non-Tory politicians working on behalf of the Big Bear, one entry would be comfortably more substantial than the other.
    Really?
    I know I was surprised to find Barry Gardiner had been working for the Chinese. But I'd be surprised to find any Tory or Labour politicians taking the Russian shilling.
    Even Corbyn - who loses few opportunities to advance Russian interests - I assume does it because he believes the Russians to be in the right rather than because they're paying him.
    This may sound hopelessly naive.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296

    I wonder how that’s changed over time?
    Too a degree, a fair point.

    I suspect during the Soviet era your intimation would have been very true. But, the wall fell, over 30 years ago. I daresay St. Jezza would have been quite comfortable filling the Labour Party war chest with Comrade Putin's clean gold up until he (Jez) was defenestrated.
  • Taz said:

    I’m sure quite a few FBPE types are having a meltdown
    Their patron saint is relatively calm this afternoon:


    Andrew Adonis
    @Andrew_Adonis·1h There is a strong case for ultimately rejoining the EU - step by step, after first rejoining the customs union and single market

    The case is simple and compelling - namely, the entire prosperity & trade of the country

    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1493244861029523457
  • One of Boris’ advisors foolish enough to take on the Yorkshire Post (knew him at Uni & frankly thought him smarter than that):

    https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/a-valentines-day-love-letter-to-lord-moylan-3567079
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    Cookie said:

    Wars have been started for far less.
    FWIW, I think we'll avoid war. My guess is that Putin's objectives are to be able to claim a victory, rather than to actually win any fighting. But I'm far less sure of this than I'd like to be!
    I agree. I'll be shocked if they invade. It makes no sense as I see it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    Andy_JS said:

    Poll watch:

    Both YouGov and Opininum have the Labour lead at 3% in their latest surveys. Start of a trend?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022

    You must have missed Mike's header on Opinium yesterday, or are you being impish? Although for what it is worth Partygate is over and the polls will get tighter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    Cookie said:

    Wars have been started for far less.
    FWIW, I think we'll avoid war. My guess is that Putin's objectives are to be able to claim a victory, rather than to actually win any fighting. But I'm far less sure of this than I'd like to be!
    What he wants is a Ukraine more like Belarus than Poland, and that seems to be slipping away. If he can't have a Ukraine like Belarus, then as weak as possible will do.

    That's why I think some sort of Desert Fox style bombardment is a possibility.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    Cookie said:

    Really?
    I know I was surprised to find Barry Gardiner had been working for the Chinese. But I'd be surprised to find any Tory or Labour politicians taking the Russian shilling.
    Even Corbyn - who loses few opportunities to advance Russian interests - I assume does it because he believes the Russians to be in the right rather than because they're paying him.
    This may sound hopelessly naive.
    It sounds quite plausible, but other than with Bazza, you have little evidence to back your assertion. Anyway how is Jeremy Corbyn's return to the fold going?
  • Cool graphic:

    2 storms in as many days.

    Storm Dudley and then Storm Eunice.

    A rough idea of where they will be coming from


    https://twitter.com/ScottDuncanWX/status/1493261016779661313
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296

    Too a degree, a fair point.

    I suspect during the Soviet era your intimation would have been very true. But, the wall fell, over 30 years ago. I daresay St. Jezza would have been quite comfortable filling the Labour Party war chest with Comrade Putin's clean gold up until he (Jez) was defenestrated.
    Sorry about the "too". Too late to edit.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,636
    edited February 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Poll watch:

    Both YouGov and Opininum have the Labour lead at 3% in their latest surveys. Start of a trend?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022

    The Conservative vote has been static at around 33/34% for a while now. The Traffic Light Alliance has been correspondingly static at around 55%. There are variations within the TLA however and it is these which explain the fluctuations in Labour's lead.

    I'm not expecting much change before the defenestration of the buffoon in No 10. I am currently predicting that soon after the locals in May, but it's Boris so I'm not betting on it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,563
    kinabalu said:

    Fab and you must be not just pleased but relieved. My son took 2 years to get a good job after uni. He didn't seem worried but I was. Had a constant low level hum of anxiety about it until he got a break.
    Delighted for you
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    edited February 2022

    It sounds quite plausible, but other than with Bazza, you have little evidence to back your assertion. Anyway how is Jeremy Corbyn's return to the fold going?
    We might be at cross purposes. My expectation is that there are no further Lab or Con MPs taking money from hostile foreign powers. I thought your point was the opposite - I.e. that there are?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    edited February 2022
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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited February 2022
    I think the most toxic part of this state pension argument is the way in which the SNP are managing to create the impression that existing UK state pensions are nothing to do with Scotland.

    Scotland is as responsible for UK state pensions as England, Wales and Northern Ireland are. It is nonsensical to say that at independence, Scotland could walk away from that responsibility leaving England, Wales and Northern Ireland to pick up the tab for Scottish pensions.

    The "historical NICs" for which that the SNP is demanding "proper compensation" have been paid by Scottish workers to the people of Scotland, not to "Westminster".


    https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1493260910265344005
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,359
    Since we were talking about fracking earlier, Tom Scott has just released the following:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWZslOfEjs

    The plan to nuke the North York Moors to create a massive gad storage reservoir.
  • The Conservative vote has been static at around 33/34% for a while now. The Traffic Light Alliance has been correspondingly static at around 55%. There are variations within the TLA however and it is these which explain the fluctuations in Labour's lead.

    I'm not expecting much change before the defenestration of the buffoon in No 10. I am currently predicting that soon after the locals in May, but it's Boris so I'm not betting on it.
    How about the NI increase becoming a concrete reality? That's due to kick in when people get their April pay, isn't it?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    The Conservative vote has been static at around 33/34% for a very long time. The Traffic Light Alliance has been correspondingly static at around 55%. There are variations within the TLA however and it is these which explain the fluctuations in Labour's lead.

    I'm not expecting much change before the defenestration of the buffoon in No 10. I am currently predicting that soon after the locals in May, but it's Boris so I'm not betting on it.
    So long as Boris doesn't lose Westminster. I'll walk my bin-bags to his bloody doorstep every day if he does. I had a brief sojourn living under a Labour council - I'll not willingly do it again.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,563
    edited February 2022
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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    edited February 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Poll watch:

    Both YouGov and Opininum have the Labour lead at 3% in their latest surveys. Start of a trend?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022

    No. 🙂

    The Opiniyum poll had it stretching from 7 to 10 if they introduced new method next week Sunday.

    Out of all the polling company’s YouGov do like their excitable variations, just as likely to show a stretch in the next one whilst other firms showing slight tightening.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,365
    edited February 2022

    I think the most toxic part of this state pension argument is the way in which the SNP are managing to create the impression that existing UK state pensions are nothing to do with Scotland.

    Scotland is as responsible for UK state pensions as England, Wales and Northern Ireland are. It is nonsensical to say that at independence, Scotland could walk away from that responsibility leaving England, Wales and Northern Ireland to pick up the tab for Scottish pensions.

    The "historical NICs" for which that the SNP is demanding "proper compensation" have been paid by Scottish workers to the people of Scotland, not to "Westminster".


    https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1493260910265344005

    It is every bit as bonkers as the most bonkers stuff ever to come out of the mouth of a Kipper. I dare say that the SNP and UKIP have more in common than either one would like.
  • Omnium said:

    So long as Boris doesn't lose Westminster. I'll walk my bin-bags to his bloody doorstep every day if he does. I had a brief sojourn living under a Labour council - I'll not willingly do it again.
    Lol! I've some sympathy, Omnium, having suffered periodically at the hands of Camden Council, but I suspect you may be needing a few binbag ties.
  • Their patron saint is relatively calm this afternoon:


    Andrew Adonis
    @Andrew_Adonis·1h There is a strong case for ultimately rejoining the EU - step by step, after first rejoining the customs union and single market

    The case is simple and compelling - namely, the entire prosperity & trade of the country

    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1493244861029523457
    'Remainers', such as any of us are 'leavers' and 'remainers' anymore, are getting pragmatic it seems. Could this, in fact, be Starmer's Clause IV moment?
  • Omnium said:

    So long as Boris doesn't lose Westminster. I'll walk my bin-bags to his bloody doorstep every day if he does. I had a brief sojourn living under a Labour council - I'll not willingly do it again.
    These days it isn't so much about the political affiliation of the council as how much cash they have left after your mates cut the government grant to nothing. Several Tory councils have gone pop and others teeter on the edge, many Labour run councils are still afloat.
  • How about the NI increase becoming a concrete reality? That's due to kick in when people get their April pay, isn't it?
    Not sure I see anything shifting the dial much, Stuart, apart from Johnson's long overdue departure. After that I would expect changes to be gradual.

    I certainly wouldn't be calling the next election yet.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    Since we were talking about fracking earlier, Tom Scott has just released the following:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWZslOfEjs

    The plan to nuke the North York Moors to create a massive gad storage reservoir.

    Possible sites for completely contained nuclear explosions in North Yorkshire! What the fuck?
  • glw said:

    It is every bit as bonkers as the most bonkers stuff ever to come out of the mouth of a Kipper. I dare say that the SNP and UKIP have more in common than either one would like.
    They are both very fond of “othering” and deflecting blame onto someone else. I’d say they have a lot in common. Though in fairness only one of them won a referendum.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,275
    edited February 2022

    Since we were talking about fracking earlier, Tom Scott has just released the following:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWZslOfEjs

    The plan to nuke the North York Moors to create a massive gad storage reservoir.

    Didn't @Heathener want hydrocarbons from "nuclear" recently?
    btw I have no idea what gad storage reservoirs are. I just saw nukes and fracking in the same post!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800

    Delighted for you
    Thank you OKC. Quite a while ago now - he's 33 - but it was a mega relief. The hardest thing can be getting an entree into something which is interesting and well paid. So many young people never do, especially those without good degrees or connections, which is sad.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    .

    Not sure I see anything shifting the dial much, Stuart, apart from Johnson's long overdue departure. After that I would expect changes to be gradual.

    I certainly wouldn't be calling the next election yet.
    I would expect a honeymoon for the next Conservative Prime Minister, and a polling boost. After that I suspect normal service would resume and economic factors would become more relevant.

    Anecdotally speaking I find those I speak to who switched from Labour to the Conservatives in 2019 (despite what polling suggests) still utterly detest the Labour Party, and the association with Corbyn still looms large.
  • Their patron saint is relatively calm this afternoon:


    Andrew Adonis
    @Andrew_Adonis·1h There is a strong case for ultimately rejoining the EU - step by step, after first rejoining the customs union and single market

    The case is simple and compelling - namely, the entire prosperity & trade of the country

    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1493244861029523457
    The calm isn't that surprising. I can't prove it, but I suspect that the number of starry-eyed Europhile True Believers is pretty small, certainly compared with the number who believe in Brexit as a good in itself.

    It's one of the reasons 2016 went the way it did- the Leave and Remain sides were roughly balanced numerically, possibly with Remain having a slight edge, but one side contained people who wanted it a lot more.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,365


    They are both very fond of “othering” and deflecting blame onto someone else. I’d say they have a lot in common. Though in fairness only one of them won a referendum.
    The thing I really don't get — and I realise I've said this before — is why the hell would you want to even raise the issue of pensions and worry potential supporters? So not only is the SNP claim nonsense it is also politically inept.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,110

    one side contained people who wanted it a lot more.

    Despite having no fucking clue what "it" was
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    Possible sites for completely contained nuclear explosions in North Yorkshire! What the fuck?
    Malmesbury! You assured us these lunatics were only in fiction in films!

    Now My gravy has gone lumpy, I’m going to have to park this for a few minutes.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited February 2022
    What is happening to labour

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies@RedfieldWilton·

    Westminster Voting Intention (14 Feb):

    Labour 38% (-4)
    Conservative 33% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (+2)
    Green 6% (–)
    Reform UK 5% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Other 3% (–)

    Changes +/- 7 Feb
  • eekeek Posts: 29,734

    .

    I would expect a honeymoon for the next Conservative Prime Minister, and a polling boost. After that I suspect normal service would resume and economic factors would become more relevant.

    Anecdotally speaking I find those I speak to who switched from Labour to the Conservatives in 2019 (despite what polling suggests) still utterly detest the Labour Party, and the association with Corbyn still looms large.
    I suspect the same is true in reverse - from those who voted anything except Tory because of the fact Bozo is a low level incompetent mobster....
  • Andy_JS said:

    Poll watch:

    Both YouGov and Opininum have the Labour lead at 3% in their latest surveys. Start of a trend?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022

    Are YG using Opinium's new methodology? :smiley:
  • Labour polling down yet Starmer ratings up across the board, explain that then.

    Of course it is amazing to see Tories now celebrate being five points behind, I remember how recently people said Labour was finished
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    edited February 2022
    Just again on NATO, I'm still a bit befuddled. If any country can join - and if you do join it means America is pledged to defend you if you are attacked - how can this actually be so in practice? Surely America can't find such a deal acceptable. Why would they be happy to defend any old country from attack? Surely they can say, "No, we wouldn't be prepared to spill blood for you so you can't join, sorry." I must be missing something, I think.
  • Boris Johnson's increasing momentum continues as Labour lead slashed from 10% to 5% with Redfield and Wilton.
  • Labour polling down yet Starmer ratings up across the board, explain that then.

    Of course it is amazing to see Tories now celebrate being five points behind, I remember how recently people said Labour was finished

    In the present climate Starmer should be out of sight, and 3 consecutive polls has seen labour fall beyond moe

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550

    Boris Johnson's increasing momentum continues as Labour lead slashed from 10% to 5% with Redfield and Wilton.

    His departure is now priced in....
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    .
    kinabalu said:

    Just again on NATO, I'm still a bit befuddled. If any country can join - and if you do join it means America is pledged to defend you if you are attacked - how can this actually be so in practice? Surely America can't find such a deal acceptable. Why would they be happy to defend any old country from attack? Surely they can say, "No, we wouldn't be prepared to spill blood for you so you can't join, sorry." I must be missing something, I think.

    It's limited to European and North American countries. And the US, like every existing member, has a veto on new members.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    These days it isn't so much about the political affiliation of the council as how much cash they have left after your mates cut the government grant to nothing. Several Tory councils have gone pop and others teeter on the edge, many Labour run councils are still afloat.
    Westminster really is a good council though. It may well be that they get to be good because they get funding other councils don't.

    Camden, Islington - awful. The contrast is remarkable.

    Which Tory councils are you thinking of that have gone pop?
  • Boris Johnson's increasing momentum continues as Labour lead slashed from 10% to 5% with Redfield and Wilton.

    Are they also using Opinium's new methodology? :lol:
  • Meanwhile, in another part of Scotland…..

    Great to have ⁦@Douglas4Moray⁩ with us for a campaign session in Perth City South for our ⁦@ScotTories⁩ candidates Andy Chan & Callum Milne

    https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1493268048102494211
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106
    Omnium said:

    Westminster really is a good council though. It may well be that they get to be good because they get funding other councils don't.

    Camden, Islington - awful. The contrast is remarkable.

    Which Tory councils are you thinking of that have gone pop?
    Camden used to be dreadful - indeed, worse than that - but in more recent years they have improved their reputation considerably
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Omnium said:

    Westminster really is a good council though. It may well be that they get to be good because they get funding other councils don't.

    Camden, Islington - awful. The contrast is remarkable.

    Which Tory councils are you thinking of that have gone pop?
    Northants, off the top of my head, was one. I'm not sure that there were any others - Croydon and Slough, which are the only other ones I remember recently, were both Labour.

    Still, from the sample size we have I don't think we can draw many conclusions.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    In the present climate Starmer should be out of sight, and 3 consecutive polls has seen labour fall beyond moe

    Starmer's lead has only ever been a normal mid term lead, with what has been happening it should have been consistently far more, and as I keep saying the local by-election results this year have been very poor for Labour.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    Labour polling down yet Starmer ratings up across the board, explain that then.

    Of course it is amazing to see Tories now celebrate being five points behind, I remember how recently people said Labour was finished

    Labour are finished, but Boris is determined to beat them to the line.

    It's absolutely amazing that Ed Davey can't make any progress in these times. He's easily the worst leader of the three.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited February 2022
    got it in 4. I always start with the same two words as they give me all the vowels and y. With that method, today's was easy
    dixiedean said:

    Today's wordle was the first I genuinely thought I might not get. Stumped after 4. Had only 2 letters in wrong places. Lucky with the Hail Mary guess on 5. Done in 6.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    IT'S DEM ALIENS


    AGAIN

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/pm899t/does_anyone_know_the_story_behind_this_video/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


    Apparently this is a video shot by a pilot or co pilot inside the cockpit of a USAF fighter, possible F-18 or Hornet, the reddit debate goes into this in some depth. The video has been around for many years - probably dates from 2008 (hence the grainy imagery, probably a handheld cassette camera).

    is it a fake? What the F is it? The audio is quite bizarre and seems to be mild chatter in a passenger aircraft which does not match the images at all. Murkier and murkier. Yet the video matches prior descriptions of cryptic footage claimed by UAP bods to show UFOS very close indeed to USAF jets - and filmed

    For balance, one crucial aspect of an earlier vid which kicked off this whole Flap - the "rotation" of the gimbal UAP has now been, I think, comprehensively debunked

    "I met with Mick West and his Gimbal simulator checks out. He answered all of Mechanical Engineer Paul Bradley’s questions and it looks like the Gimbal object spin is related to the pod. I still think range is less than 10nm so no change in my position, still a UAP"

    https://twitter.com/chrisotis78/status/1491454857987108867?s=20&t=ZArEIVQQeQFp4DDaLnDKOw
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Scott_xP said:

    Despite having no fucking clue what "it" was
    And, in a nutshell, the reason Remain lost......
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800

    Boris Johnson's increasing momentum continues as Labour lead slashed from 10% to 5% with Redfield and Wilton.

    Not sure I'd view it that way - increasing momentum for Johnson - I think it's more the expected narrowing of a frothy big Labour lead. Just a few days without another Johnson scandal is enough for that. I still like Labour's position, all told. Not a done deal by any stretch but I think Starmer could well be on his way to Downing St.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480
    IanB2 said:

    Camden used to be dreadful - indeed, worse than that - but in more recent years they have improved their reputation considerably
    If you walk from Westminster into Camden you can, if you're observant, see the line.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,110

    And, in a nutshell, the reason Remain lost......

    ...Leavers don't have a fucking clue.

    No argument here
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    IanB2 said:

    Camden used to be dreadful - indeed, worse than that - but in more recent years they have improved their reputation considerably
    I have no complaints about Camden council. Good and value-for-money services imo.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Scott_xP said:

    ...Leavers don't have a fucking clue.

    No argument here
    Whatever they wanted, it wasn't the condescending shit you were offering.

    Tin-eared as ever.
  • New analysis suggests that 74% of all money made through ransomware attacks in 2021 went to Russia-linked hackers.
    Researchers say more than $400 million worth of crypto-currency payments went to groups "highly likely to be affiliated with Russia".

    Russia has denied accusations that it is harbouring cyber-criminals.

    Researchers also claim "a huge amount of crypto-currency-based money laundering" goes through Russian crypto-companies


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60378009
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    Applicant said:

    .

    It's limited to European and North American countries. And the US, like every existing member, has a veto on new members.
    Ah ok, I see. I guess that's not such a nonsense then.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,110
    5pm @thetimesscot splash

    Scottish Conservatives have urged their MPs to publicly push to remove the “politically gangrenous” Boris Johnson from office as the prime minister undertook a muted tour of Scotland.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/aee34b60-8db4-11ec-ab9b-59af3878ddff?shareToken=ff79530b668fcb487a7124d617fb917b
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,695
    edited February 2022
    TimT said:

    got it in 4. I always start with the same two words as they give me all the vowels and y. With that method, today's was easy

    Ah, go to settings and change to Hard Mode for a challenge - it insists you use all hints given at all times. No more fishing…
  • .

    I would expect a honeymoon for the next Conservative Prime Minister, and a polling boost. After that I suspect normal service would resume and economic factors would become more relevant.

    Anecdotally speaking I find those I speak to who switched from Labour to the Conservatives in 2019 (despite what polling suggests) still utterly detest the Labour Party, and the association with Corbyn still looms large.
    That supports my view of the situation. There is a solid majority against many of the policies espoused by labour activists and as national policy under Corbyn. Starmer has signalled a retreat but hasn't reassured sufficiently (yet) and may never do so. I suspect that more of BoJo's disgraceful antics and the likely economic problems would swing more votes to Labour. However, Labour are strongly running against the ideological "grain" of the majority at present and are more than capable of losing the next election which an opposition should really be strong favourites to win.
  • 5pm @thetimesscot splash

    Scottish Conservatives have urged their MPs to publicly push to remove the “politically gangrenous” Boris Johnson from office as the prime minister undertook a muted tour of Scotland.


    https://twitter.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1493273369516642305
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564
    edited February 2022
    Omnium said:

    Labour are finished, but Boris is determined to beat them to the line.

    It's absolutely amazing that Ed Davey can't make any progress in these times. He's easily the worst leader of the three.
    I have no strong feelings about Ed Davey one way or another.

    Personally I like that, but I can see it being an issue.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Redfield and Wilton have the Labour lead down from 10% to 5%.

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1493268814187876358
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    TimT said:

    got it in 4. I always start with the same two words as they give me all the vowels and y. With that method, today's was easy

    I think I've got every Wordle in either 3 or 4 attempts, apart from one 5.
  • Selebian said:

    Ok, let's leave my NATO analogy (it's not a great one, to be fair).

    Instead consider enforcement.

    Former USSR country, while part of USSR - most senior politician does something directly against USSR policy or rules, what's the punishment? Prosecution. Imprisonment. Worse, perhaps. UDI? The tanks roll in.

    Scottish government does something against UK law, e.g. unauthorised referendum, UDI. Possible prosecution (treason?). Theoretically, the tanks roll in (depends how far up the government HYUFD has got!)

    UK government, while in EU, does something against EU law (or, say, refuses to enact EU law into domestic law). Or has a referendum on 'independence' without asking EU for permission. Or declares UDI. Enforcement? EU could take UK to court. UK gets told to behave and/or fined? Enforcement? The absolute worst is getting kicked out or perhaps trade sanctions. The EU has no power to try the UK PM, does it? Civil court case, perhaps, but not criminal. Has a referendum on leaving without permission? We didn't need EU permission. UDI? EU points to A50, but in practice we can just tear up the treaties and exit immediately by repealing EU law.

    Edit: I accept there is debate over sovereignty, particularly with QMV, but the UK always had the ability to take its toys home if it really didn't like it (as we indeed did). Scotland and the former USSR states do not/did not have that ability. The situations are different. Whether the UK was sovereign does however depend on where you draw that line, so I'm not really arguing on that, just that the USSR is not a good comparison to the EU.
    Again not true - at least as far as Scotland is concerned. We all recognise that Scotland has the right to withdraw from the United Kingdom - indeed there has been a vote on that very subject. And yet no one would reasonably claim that Scotland is currently a sovereign state - which is exactly what Topping is saying by equating the right to leave with Sovereignty.

    Basically Topping is talking garbage either through ignorance or dishonesty. A country can regain sovereignty through the act of leaving but that does not mean that country was always sovereign.

    The line should be the definition - "the authority of a state to govern itself". As long as a country is part of an organisation that can make laws over which the state has no veto it cannot be claimed to be sovereign.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Are YG using Opinium's new methodology? :smiley:
    Don't think so.
  • Russia’s military build-up has entered a more dangerous phaseNew satellite images show troops and equipment massing ever-closer to Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1493274222533255170
  • Scott_xP said:

    ...Leavers don't have a fucking clue.

    No argument here
    Just bitter words but now Starmer has trumped your desire to re-join they really are meaningless - rejoining is as far away as ever
  • kinabalu said:

    I have no complaints about Camden council. Good and value-for-money services imo.
    Redbridge is also Labour-run.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    carnforth said:

    Ah, go to settings and change to Hard Mode for a challenge - it insists you use all hints given at all times. No more fishing…
    I found it very difficult today - genuine jeopardy. After five goes I had all the different letters and some slots they couldn't be in - so I could tell it wasn't a word with nice standard letter formation - but it still took me far too long of juggling those letters to find it.
    Nerdle, on the other hand - after three consecutive 3/6s, my first 2 today.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    edited February 2022
    .
    Andy_JS said:

    I think I've got every Wordle in either 3 or 4 attempts, apart from one 5.
    My favourite variant so far is Quordle.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    Andy_JS said:

    I think I've got every Wordle in either 3 or 4 attempts, apart from one 5.
    That's a solid track record. Not exceptional but damn solid.
  • kle4 said:

    I have no strong feelings about Ed Davey one way or another.

    Personally I like that, but I can see it being an issue.
    Who is Ed Davey most ask
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198

    Malmesbury! You assured us these lunatics were only in fiction in films!

    Now My gravy has gone lumpy, I’m going to have to park this for a few minutes.
    Contained nuclear explosions are for slackers.

    Just finishing up my proposal for the Freeport of Birmingham.....

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    Russia’s military build-up has entered a more dangerous phaseNew satellite images show troops and equipment massing ever-closer to Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1493274222533255170

    Wait the Russians just banked Manny's concessions and kept doing whatever they were going to do anyway? Surely not. Wonder what he'll give away next time.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,800
    edited February 2022

    That supports my view of the situation. There is a solid majority against many of the policies espoused by labour activists and as national policy under Corbyn. Starmer has signalled a retreat but hasn't reassured sufficiently (yet) and may never do so. I suspect that more of BoJo's disgraceful antics and the likely economic problems would swing more votes to Labour. However, Labour are strongly running against the ideological "grain" of the majority at present and are more than capable of losing the next election which an opposition should really be strong favourites to win.
    The left are completely marginalized under SKS. That is a stone cold fact so the challenge is only to communicate it to floating voters. I say *only* but of course it's not the best word choice, perception being so crucial in politics.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,928

    Russia’s military build-up has entered a more dangerous phaseNew satellite images show troops and equipment massing ever-closer to Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1493274222533255170

    Undoubtedly true but we appear to have run out of language to hype the impending threat of invasion ever more large and ever more imminently.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Applicant said:

    .

    It's limited to European and North American countries. And the US, like every existing member, has a veto on new members.
    Yeah, I think the 'any country can join' at best should be 'any European country that meets the standards of democracy and freedom can apply' with approval subject to unanimous decision of all existing members.

    Specifically, "To join the Alliance, nations are expected to respect the values of the North Atlantic Treaty, and to meet certain political, economic and military criteria, set out in the Alliance’s 1995 Study on Enlargement. These criteria include a functioning democratic political system based on a market economy; fair treatment of minority populations; a commitment to resolve conflicts peacefully; an ability and willingness to make a military contribution to NATO operations; and a commitment to democratic civil-military relations and institutions."
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    That supports my view of the situation. There is a solid majority against many of the policies espoused by labour activists and as national policy under Corbyn. Starmer has signalled a retreat but hasn't reassured sufficiently (yet) and may never do so. I suspect that more of BoJo's disgraceful antics and the likely economic problems would swing more votes to Labour. However, Labour are strongly running against the ideological "grain" of the majority at present and are more than capable of losing the next election which an opposition should really be strong favourites to win.
    "Ideological grain" is a good term. I'm as sure as needs be that this photo will be memed for the election campaign:


  • Cookie said:

    Really?
    I know I was surprised to find Barry Gardiner had been working for the Chinese. But I'd be surprised to find any Tory or Labour politicians taking the Russian shilling.
    Even Corbyn - who loses few opportunities to advance Russian interests - I assume does it because he believes the Russians to be in the right rather than because they're paying him.
    This may sound hopelessly naive.
    Yes hopelessly naive, the Americans trying to control Russian money call London Londongrad, and explicitly talk about links to the Conservative party.

    This is from the Centre for American Progress, according to Politico the most influential think tank under Bidens administration:

    https://www.americanprogress.org/article/how-the-united-states-should-respond-if-russia-invades-ukraine/

    "Establish a standing U.S.-U.K. joint counter-kleptocracy working group. The United States and the United Kingdom should work closely together to counter Russian kleptocrats. The United Kingdom, in particular, has become a major hub for Russian oligarchs and their wealth, with London gaining the moniker “Londongrad.” Uprooting Kremlin-linked oligarchs will be a challenge given the close ties between Russian money and the United Kingdom’s ruling conservative party, the press, and its real estate and financial industry."
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