Will Johnson make the 2022 leader’s conference speech? – politicalbetting.com

rottenborough said:

How stupid are the people they employ at No. 10?

Did it not occur to these uber political animals that one day it would leak?

Really fucking stupid.

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

All alternative leaders bar Sunak poll worse than Boris v Starmer. A Sunak led Tory party polls little better to what the Tories are polling now.

Unless Labour get a 10% lead and the Tories see heavy losses in the local elections then Boris stays

Anabobazina said:

Stark_Dawning said:

MaxPB said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Didn't IDS make it to conference and get binned off quickly afterwards? So even if Peppa makes it to the speech it doesn't mean he gets much further. Especially if its as shambolic as Kermit the Frog and Peppa Pig World efforts were.

Yes, he famously turned up the volume at the conference and got shit canned pretty soon after.

Iain Duncan Smith delivered a speech to the 2003 Tory party conference in Blackpool yesterday that was nasty, brutish and long. Inevitably, it went down well with the party faithful in the Winter Gardens. Looked at from almost every other perspective, however, it was a disgrace. With his critics closing in on him, the Conservative leader threw good judgment to the winds. It is hard to remember a conference speech by a major party leader which did less for public debate and which reflects so discreditably on the person who gave it.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2003/oct/10/futureforpublicservices.politics

I’d put money on the detail that the original Quiet Man speech was in Bournemouth not Blackpool. Maybe both speeches used the term?

Yes, one was (as I recall) 'Never underestimate the determination [lowers voice] of a quiet man.' The sequel was 'The quiet man is here to stay and he's turning up the volume!!!!!!!!!'

Scott_xP said:

rottenborough said:

How stupid are the people they employ at No. 10?

Did it not occur to these uber political animals that one day it would leak?

This was around the same time as Barnard Castle.

They thought if anyone found out, they would get away with it.

HYUFD agrees

This seems far worse to me than Cummings and Barnard Castle. Not least because it involves the PM and not just the PM's senior aide.

Apparently, Sue Grey is now looking into four 'occasions' that were parties that Johnson attend.

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

Doesn’t look good for Boris. Still, he’ll probably stick it out.

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

rottenborough said:

How stupid are the people they employ at No. 10?

Did it not occur to these uber political animals that one day it would leak?

This was around the same time as Barnard Castle.

They thought if anyone found out, they would get away with it.

HYUFD agrees

This seems far worse to me than Cummings and Barnard Castle. Not least because it involves the PM and not just the PM's senior aide.

Apparently, Sue Grey is now looking into four 'occasions' that were parties that Johnson attend.

Same old Tories. 🤷‍♀️

Cookie said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

All alternative leaders bar Sunak poll worse than Boris v Starmer. A Sunak led Tory party polls little better to what the Tories are polling now.

Unless Labour get a 10% lead and the Tories see heavy losses in the local elections then Boris stays

Well you say that now, HYUFD, but any polls you refer to clearly don't factor in the latest imbroglio.
He looks less credible than Matt Hancock.

They do, this story is no different to the previous garden party photos.

If you are still voting Tory now you are a staunch anti new restrictions voter, so will keep voting Tory regardless unless Boris imposes new restrictions

So, any predictions on what poor mog is going to be battered to death first thing this morning and thrown onto the table on R4 Today?

Escalating Russia situation somehow or other?

Stark_Dawning said:

Anabobazina said:

Stark_Dawning said:

MaxPB said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Didn't IDS make it to conference and get binned off quickly afterwards? So even if Peppa makes it to the speech it doesn't mean he gets much further. Especially if its as shambolic as Kermit the Frog and Peppa Pig World efforts were.

Yes, he famously turned up the volume at the conference and got shit canned pretty soon after.

Iain Duncan Smith delivered a speech to the 2003 Tory party conference in Blackpool yesterday that was nasty, brutish and long. Inevitably, it went down well with the party faithful in the Winter Gardens. Looked at from almost every other perspective, however, it was a disgrace. With his critics closing in on him, the Conservative leader threw good judgment to the winds. It is hard to remember a conference speech by a major party leader which did less for public debate and which reflects so discreditably on the person who gave it.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2003/oct/10/futureforpublicservices.politics

I’d put money on the detail that the original Quiet Man speech was in Bournemouth not Blackpool. Maybe both speeches used the term?

Yes, one was (as I recall) 'Never underestimate the determination [lowers voice] of a quiet man.' The sequel was 'The quiet man is here to stay and he's turning up the volume!!!!!!!!!'

Aha!

Farooq said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

Tighter spending. Competence and standards in government. A bit more businesslike energy, better hair, and a faint whiff of royalty if he doesn't mind me saying. Could be a winning combination.

"Tighter spending" really isn't what was voted for.
Mind you. Not sure competence and standards were either

rottenborough said:

So, any predictions on what poor mog is going to be battered to death first thing this morning and thrown onto the table on R4 Today?

Escalating Russia situation somehow or other?

They’ll take the lift.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Farooq said:

HYUFD said:

As long as Boris continues to impose no new restrictions, especially on the vaccinated, he will keep his base and likely survive. No alternative leader polls much better v Starmer than him, including Subak and most poll worse.

Only think that might see a VONC is heavy losses in the local elections, including Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea going Labour or NOC

That there, right there, is the manifesto of a party that has given up. No longer willing to lead by example or anticipate how the public might be feeling, just "we will only start to behave after the gravest of electoral kickings".
I don't think you're fit to wear the rosette.

He is like a broken record with no shame

It is time for conservatives to reject sleaze and replace Boris

If they value their seats and their party they will act and not excuse the inexcusable

I would say I prefer Rishi but frankly let the mps put two candidates forward and let the members choose

Come on you 54, you know you want to

Well said. Right and wrong didn't used to be something that could be easily set aside because of some bizarre partisan rationalisation. Boris is corrupt and incompetent and a joke and a liability. Replace him, do the right thing and the Tories could still win.

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

You mean, in stark contrast to the rigorous and clearly defined doctrine which is Borisism?

Well quite. It may begin to emerge that the problem wasn't Boris at all.

Cookie said:

HYUFD said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

All alternative leaders bar Sunak poll worse than Boris v Starmer. A Sunak led Tory party polls little better to what the Tories are polling now.

Unless Labour get a 10% lead and the Tories see heavy losses in the local elections then Boris stays

Well you say that now, HYUFD, but any polls you refer to clearly don't factor in the latest imbroglio.
He looks less credible than Matt Hancock.

The dilemma might be something like this.

Sunak (or any other AN Other) probably loses next time. Maybe not by much, but probably they lose. I'm not sure about this, but anyone who isn't Boris definitely loses part of the 2019 coalition. In Sunak's case, it's the chunk of the Red Wall who really wanted money spent on them.

Johnson probably loses bigly next time. But there's a chance he can turn this round. He's magical like that.

So you're a Conservative MP. Do you accept a decent loss in 2024 (which may mean that you personally are out of a job) by having not-Boris as your leader.

Or do you gamble? Boris probably leads the party to a big defeat, but he might win...

ping said:

Doesn’t look good for Boris. Still, he’ll probably stick it out.

Yes, he often does when under stress. Carrie should have a word with him about it really.

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

He is not Johnson, which is pretty much Starmer's pitch. Either will do on those grounds, Question is whether Sunak is perceived as a better non-Boris than Starmer. This maybe where the parties come in. Labour or Conservative?

"So what did you say to everyone?"
"That I'm just as furious as them that anyone went to a party during lockdown"
"And what did you do"
"Went to parties during lockdown" https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/1480664761243213837/photo/1

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Cookie said:

From the Telegraph:

The UK Health Security Agency, run by Dame Jenny Harries, on Monday admitted it was wrong to claim England's isolation rules were effectively in line with other nations, including the United States.

Its rationale had been repeatedly cited by ministers as they rebuffed calls to cut isolation from seven to five days in order to tackle major staffing crises across most sectors.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/10/cabinet-anger-misleading-covid-isolation-guidance/

Honestly, what are these people trying to do to the country? It's no wonder conspiracy theories flourish when government departments are actively lying to politicians.

HSA doing a great job at appearing to be even shitter than PHE.....

It's just a new name for same thing isn't it?. One of Hancock's wheezes to deflect from some shit storm or other that I forget now.

Same thing, it was dreamt up as a way of giving Dido Harding a job that could eventually lead to her being named head of the NHS. Happily Hancock got booted and Javid has no love for Dido so booted her as well.

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

Scott_xP said:

It does feel like No 10 morphed into a frat house while we were all locked up https://twitter.com/mattgreencomedy/status/1480629946519281668

Toga!
Toga!
Toga!

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

You mean, in stark contrast to the rigorous and clearly defined doctrine which is Borisism?

Well quite. It may begin to emerge that the problem wasn't Boris at all.

Stronger point if we had a handle on Starmerism

Well indeed. No one has come up with an answer to the GFC. Though many have tried. And not just in this country either.

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

You mean, in stark contrast to the rigorous and clearly defined doctrine which is Borisism?

Well quite. It may begin to emerge that the problem wasn't Boris at all.

Stronger point if we had a handle on Starmerism

I think we can safely say it's soft-left Blairism without Blair.

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

The only hypothetical voting intention under Sunak had the Tories still trailing Starmer Labour by 3%. Sunak made zero net gains from Labour, only slight gains he made were from London and Southern LDs

https://twitter.com/ElectsWorld/status/1475580171881172998?s=20

One frontbencher said: “I think this is the worst exposed the prime minister has ever been by these leaks. There’s no explanation, there’s no way to distance himself. His only saviour is if the public has given up caring.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/10/email-shows-boris-johnsons-official-invited-no-10-staff-to-lockdown-byob-party

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

The only hypothetical voting intention under Sunak had the Tories still trailing Starmer Labour by 3%. Sunak made zero net gains from Labour, only slight gains he made were from London and Southern LDs

You are like a broken record and I am tempted to suggest to my son he throws you a lifebelt to stop you sinking

Met Police will investigate.

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

You sound almost un-hostile to him...

Foxy said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

Wrong. Maggie was never shit.

She was by 1989. Completely lost the plot, hence axed by her own party.

"We are a grandmother"

I have a feeling Sue Grey might be relishing the investigation she's picked up.

IanB2 said:

Met Police will investigate.

Source?

Have they actually said they’ll investigate? BBC is rather noncommittal.

IanB2 said:

Met Police will investigate.

PC plod (aka as Cressida): Did you have a party in May 2020?

PM PPS: No.

PC plod: That's great. Thanks. We can wrap this one up quickly.

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

The only hypothetical voting intention under Sunak had the Tories still trailing Starmer Labour by 3%. Sunak made zero net gains from Labour, only slight gains he made were from London and Southern LDs

You keep desperately flailing about posting this same shit. It's as if Conservative voters no longer care about conservation. Good governance. The British way. Principles. You keep saying "as long as we lift restrictions" - people vote on a lot more than that.

Red wall voters don't give a toss about conservation or fiscal conservatism, after all the only Tory leader they ever voted for was big spending Boris as he promised to get Brexit done

Red wall voters value honestly, integrity, fairness, and above all else not to be taken for granted with one rule for them and one for everyone else

You really are blind to that which is staring you in the face

Labour majoring on Boris’s previous faux anger at how his staff had flouted the rules, and supposed surprise that these parties had been going on. “He lied to parliament” is the line.

IanB2 said:

Labour majoring on Boris’s previous faux anger at how his staff had flouted the rules, and supposed surprise that these parties had been going on. “He lied to parliament” is the line.

It's a good tactic. Lying to Commons is very serious. Well, normally it is. With Johnson it's just the cost of doing business every day.

MoonRabbit said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

The only hypothetical voting intention under Sunak had the Tories still trailing Starmer Labour by 3%. Sunak made zero net gains from Labour, only slight gains he made were from London and Southern LDs

https://twitter.com/ElectsWorld/status/1475580171881172998?s=20

behave HY quoting your fantasy celebdaq nonsense - the positive publicity of leadership hustings and pledges, a new leader crowned. Fresh start changes everything into a whole new ball game rendering what you are waving around at us about as prosphetic as the Munich agreement.

Well even May and Brown got a brief poll bounce...

IanB2 said:

Benpointer said:

I have a feeling Sue Grey might be relishing the investigation she's picked up.

It’s a tough gig; she could make history, or finish her career, straight away, or do what initially appears to be a good piece of work that falls apart on scrutiny.

Her biggest issue right now appears to be unintentionally failing to investigate all the parties that subsequently become known about because she just can't quite believe there are more of them.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

The only hypothetical voting intention under Sunak had the Tories still trailing Starmer Labour by 3%. Sunak made zero net gains from Labour, only slight gains he made were from London and Southern LDs

You keep desperately flailing about posting this same shit. It's as if Conservative voters no longer care about conservation. Good governance. The British way. Principles. You keep saying "as long as we lift restrictions" - people vote on a lot more than that.

Red wall voters don't give a toss about conservation or fiscal conservatism, after all the only Tory leader they ever voted for was big spending Boris as he promised to get Brexit done

Red wall voters value honestly, integrity, fairness, and above all else not to be taken for granted with one rule for them and one for everyone else

You really are blind to that which is staring you in the face

No Redwall voters back a big state, the only reason they voted Tory in 2019 for the first time in their lives was big spending Boris promised to get Brexit done.

They would vote Labour again now Brexit is done rather than Sunak fiscal conservatism

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

What this country really needs at this time of a cost of living crunch is an even wealthier PM then?

Someone who knows how to manage money at the highest levels is perfect

Are you recommending we all marry a billionaire?
One way of paying the gas bill I guess.

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

What this country really needs at this time of a cost of living crunch is an even wealthier PM then?

Someone who knows how to manage money at the highest levels is perfect

Are you recommending we all marry a billionaire?
One way of paying the gas bill I guess.

I am sure you would not turn down the opportunity

StuartDickson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MoonRabbit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

There was something brilliantly calm about Sunak when I watched him in action and then spoke to him. Knew what he was doing, knew he had a superb team working for him, was human and charming and alarmingly sexier than a 4 foot 2 man should be.

He's a northern Tory, he gets the need to offer the north more than HYUFD's "we don't need your vote cos you aren't really Tories", knows that as a gazillionaire he won't be swayed by the desperate need to line his own pockets like Peppa, and can point to almost unbelievable heroics throwing oceans of cash at business to keep people on jobs when the alternative was mass bankruptcies and unemployment.

The only hypothetical voting intention under Sunak had the Tories still trailing Starmer Labour by 3%. Sunak made zero net gains from Labour, only slight gains he made were from London and Southern LDs

You are like a broken record and I am tempted to suggest to my son he throws you a lifebelt to stop you sinking

You are absolutely right Big G. HY’s line is not at all convincing.

Your the Big winner Big G. In Rishi you are about to get your party back.

I really hope so

Boris looks gone in the media tonight and I just hope he does the decent thing for once and resigns

No chance.

He’s a digger, and he’s going to keep digging. This is going to be a real bumper year for folk who enjoy Schadenfreude.

Yes - I suspect you're right.

StuartDickson said:

Benpointer said:

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

IshmaelZ said:

dixiedean said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

MoonRabbit said:

StuartDickson said:

MoonRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Basically, bet on Boris staying. Without an obvious replacement, I just can't see MPs pulling the trigger.

Have you never heard of Rishi Sunak?

Can’t see it myself.

Can’t see that he would be better?

If they replaced Boris with the Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder it would be better.

It was clear that Major was going to lead the Conservative Party to a poor result in 1997 (albeit few forecast exactly how poor), and he wasn't replaced.

Being shit is a necessary but not sufficient condition for MPs to dump their leader.

The Conservatives can still win the next election if they replace Boris and handle the credit crunch well. That’s what is driving this Robert, Conservatives don’t believe Boris leadership and policy handles the credit crunch well. Basically they want to take back control of policy to stand a chance in the next election, not write it off like they did in 97.

Which raises the question. How?
What is Sunakism? Apart from a bloody good Scrabble score?

You mean, in stark contrast to the rigorous and clearly defined doctrine which is Borisism?

Well quite. It may begin to emerge that the problem wasn't Boris at all.

Stronger point if we had a handle on Starmerism

I think we can safely say it's soft-left Blairism without Blair.

The without Blair bit sounds good.

Tbf no one in the Starmer team is ever going to utter the B-word.

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

What this country really needs at this time of a cost of living crunch is an even wealthier PM then?

Someone who knows how to manage money at the highest levels is perfect

Are you recommending we all marry a billionaire?
One way of paying the gas bill I guess.

Labour should definitely avoid that line!

IanB2 said:

Labour majoring on Boris’s previous faux anger at how his staff had flouted the rules, and supposed surprise that these parties had been going on. “He lied to parliament” is the line.

"He lied to parliament" is not just a line. It's a fact, isn't it? At least we have a record.....