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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,247

    And several River Avons in England.
    I was told by a Kiwi that the reason that there are so many Rotoruas and Rototoities in New Zealand is from early settlers. They would come over the hill, point at a lake and ask what it was called. Their guide would say "Rotorua" (lake) or "Rototoiti" (another lake).
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited January 2022
    eek said:

    Never had a problem getting one - heck getting them even gave me one of the businesses I will launch later this year.

    The card I use is a 3090 that cost £1000 from Amazon warehouse.
    £1k for 3090, what's wrong with it? I can't imagine you got £500-1000 discount on just a damaged box.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Maxwell defence calls for retrial after juror says he was 'a victim of sexual abuse'

    Bloody jurors spouting to the media is something we can be grateful for here.
    Can you imagine the stampede for this Colston jury? And their private lives and political positions being raked over? Whether you agree with them or not this is surely a great thing about our system.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    dixiedean said:

    Yes but. Numerous countries require proof of vaccination.
    I needed a few to get a Taiwanese visa 30 years ago. We needed HIV, hepatitis, syphilis tests yearly for renewal.
    This isn't new.
    Not only that my father-in-law refuses to get a passport and now he finds he's been othered by just about every country in the world. Shocking!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533

    Boris over-promising again....

    MAIL: We have lift-off, Britain!
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1478859019804717057?s=20

    Oh God, and I was just thinking we were turning the corner.


    Lockdown by 1st Feb.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    geoffw said:

    Major Major Major iirc.

    Major Major Major Major iirc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,247

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    London has more hospital beds per capita because of national quaternary centres, and the next hospital is much closer to divert ambulances to when overloaded. From Leicester it is a lot further to Coventry, Nottingham or Peterborough.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Bloody jurors spouting to the media is something we can be grateful for here.
    Can you imagine the stampede for this Colston jury? And their private lives and political positions being raked over? Whether you agree with them or not this is surely a great thing about our system.
    Although isn't a feature of US jury service that 100s get called to a trial and the lawyers whittle it all down to 12 good citizens by asking them a zillion questions about their life and views and past? Seems here someone has either lied or someone else dropped a bollock?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Foxy said:

    In effect the jury decided their protesting actions were legal.
    They were found not guilty. The burden being on the side of the prosecution.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232

    Although isn't a feature of US jury service that 100s get called to a trial and the lawyers whittle it all down to 12 good citizens by asking them a zillion questions about their life and views and past? Seems here someone has either lied or someone else dropped a bollock?
    US jury selection massively help the defense.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    eek said:

    The only chance of a lockdown comes from an omicron type variant that creates more serious illness.

    I don’t think it’s likely but it’s possible.
    Yes. Unforeseen was a spectacularly ill-chosen word. As that was precisely the scenario I was foreseeing....must do better.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dixiedean said:

    Poor Novak. Good job he's been before. Imagine going to Oz and all you get to see is Tullamarine.
    One of the direst airports I've ever been to.

    Now he’s going to have to declare denied entry/visa cancelled on lots of other immigration forms 😂
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,788
    This is actually WORSE than the Boris "er er er"

    lol


    https://twitter.com/olafdoesstuff/status/1478344439143800832?s=21

    Starmer forgets his "third British value" and has to drink water to recover his composure

    It matters little in itself but let it be noted that Starmer was under zero pressure here, and he was still shit. He is no Blair. He might not even be Gordon Brown. I can see him losing, valiantly, against an equally fading Boris Johnson and an equally shop-worn Nicola Sturgeon. They will all look objectionably old and boring by then
  • Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079

    Although see the rules about cancelling bets if he doesn’t start. I think there is risk free profit here, but you may need to cash out at the right time...
    I've cashed out.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,785

    Worth bearing in mind that the law is very clear on this as I understand it. This does not set any form of precedent. The decision was specific to this case alone. So they have not decided that criminal damage - even in an identical situation - is legal. Just that in this case they would not return a guilty verdict.
    Yes, of course; there is no precedent here, and the jury's decision in this specific case does not give carte blanche to carry out criminal damage for political or any other reasons.

    That's why it's a storm in a teacup and doesn't merit quite so much debate, especially as none of us know, and will ever know, what the jury discussed in coming to their verdict.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Are you in the Oz market ?
    Betting woth my UK wallet.

    I don't get this, it is a cross-matched market. How can they void bets on a runner? Every bet is dependent on all the selections.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited January 2022
    Charles said:

    Now he’s going to have to declare denied entry/visa cancelled on lots of other immigration forms 😂
    I think the lack of "vaccinated" stamp is going to be a bigger problem....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    ScoMo:

    Mr Djokovic’s visa has been cancelled. Rules are rules, especially when it comes to our borders. No one is above these rules. Our strong border policies have been critical to Australia having one of the lowest death rates in the world from COVID, we are continuing to be vigilant.

    https://twitter.com/scottmorrisonmp/status/1478848008363991049?s=21
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited January 2022

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Central London has vast numbers of hospital beds in comparison?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited January 2022

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Does London have more hospitals per head than your average city/region? Maybe it does?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    This is actually WORSE than the Boris "er er er"

    lol


    https://twitter.com/olafdoesstuff/status/1478344439143800832?s=21

    Starmer forgets his "third British value" and has to drink water to recover his composure

    It matters little in itself but let it be noted that Starmer was under zero pressure here, and he was still shit. He is no Blair. He might not even be Gordon Brown. I can see him losing, valiantly, against an equally fading Boris Johnson and an equally shop-worn Nicola Sturgeon. They will all look objectionably old and boring by then

    Keir Starmer strikes me as the type of Labour leader who might, like Neil Kinnock, have more of a problem when facing a female opponent. Perhaps a good reason for the Tories to choose Liz Truss.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Foxy said:

    London has more hospital beds per capita because of national quaternary centres, and the next hospital is much closer to divert ambulances to when overloaded. From Leicester it is a lot further to Coventry, Nottingham or Peterborough.
    Apologies. I see you have already answered my question!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Andy_JS said:

    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
    I wonder if that effect is a little overstated. Aren't there a higher percentage of children in London? Also there may well be more natural immunity in London and smaller elderly population.
  • Andy_JS said:

    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
    I don't believe it either. I suspect it is inflated by errors caused by a mobile population, EU citizens going home, and youngsters who live primarily in London but still go home to their parents (and may be registered with s GP in their home town).
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    IshmaelZ said:

    Well, yes, but I thought you were speaking about a "traditional approach" and that you were an historian?
    I know a number of other people who have, but they aren’t public about it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Hmmm. Let's see the detail. Few quid to a few pensioners aint gonna cut it on this one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer strikes me as the type of Labour leader who might, like Neil Kinnock, have more of a problem when facing a female opponent. Perhaps a good reason for the Tories to choose Liz Truss.
    I'm not sure Neil's fundamental problem was that Thatch happened to be a woman!!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,822

    I don't believe it either. I suspect it is inflated by errors caused by a mobile population, EU citizens going home, and youngsters who live primarily in London but still go home to their parents (and may be registered with s GP in their home town).
    Or like me, you've been registered in three different surgeries within the last year! By NIMS I count three times for London numbers and so does my wife.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,286
    edited January 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    OK but if they are thought to be of average intelligence why the withholding of plainly relevant evidence as I the Harper trial, because it is prejudicial? Anyone too stupid to sort the prejudicial from the probative is surely also too stupid to sort the probative from the non probative.
    I am not sure how you would run a jury trial system with a modicum of efficiency without some kind of filter to limit what is presented to the jury. You do need to have some kind of rules of the game to ensure evidence presented by both defence and prosecution is sufficiently relevant rather than a question of throwing shade.

    I also didn't say jurors are of average intelligence, or even that someone of average intelligence is likely to be good at that filtering process. Some are above, some below. That's averages for you. What I said was that having a range of life experiences was a good thing.

    Nor did I suggest that experts don't have a role in the process. The judge in a jury trial has a huge and important role - they are ensuring the jury is properly instructed as to the law and that the "game" is played fairly. What they don't do is ultimately determine guilt or innocence. It's a false dichotomy to set the debate up as a choice between a trial with a judge only and a total free for all.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited January 2022
    With the tennis surely the play now is to back other players? Once the tourney starts and Novax is voided then other peeps pdds mist come in surely?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    How is he not discriminated against here? He is not allowed to compete simply because of his vaccination status.
    He’s an individual not a class of people
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Barnesian said:

    I've cashed out.

    BF: "If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void."
  • Maxwell defence calls for retrial after juror says he was 'a victim of sexual abuse'

    Hopefully not by Epstein??
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    eek said:

    The only chance of a lockdown comes from an omicron type variant that creates more serious illness.

    I don’t think it’s likely but it’s possible.
    Seems unlikely now before we enter the summer low season anyway.

    Next autumn? Who the feck knows.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Rees-Mogg calls on Sunak to scrap fuel vat - Telegraph.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,247
    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    You can't possibly love all those puns?
    “Love-All”
    “fifteen-love”

    Sigh

    🙄
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Menvs Aus Open not available on Will Hill.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Endillion said:

    Major Major Major Major iirc.
    Buffalo buffalo… buffalo?
  • Charles said:

    He’s an individual not a class of people
    Whilst I don't think there's unfairness to Novax, he is in a class of people, being people who are opposed to vaccination.

    It's arguable whether it's justifiable to discriminate on the basis of this sort of belief. I personally think it is. But he is certainly part of a "class of people".
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Charles said:

    “Love-All”
    “fifteen-love”

    Sigh

    🙄
    At least he’s now OUT!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Blimey Kazakhstan is massive!


  • I'd really like to see Novax at the Aussie Open just to see the reaction to him on court. Whatever the ultimate outcome, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, it would be fantastic theatre.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,247

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    Yes, that is a good thread.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Whilst I don't think there's unfairness to Novax, he is in a class of people, being people who are opposed to vaccination.

    It's arguable whether it's justifiable to discriminate on the basis of this sort of belief. I personally think it is. But he is certainly part of a "class of people".
    The difference is:

    Djokovic tried to enter Australia without being in possession of a valid visa. He was denied entry as everyone without a valid visa is denied entry.

    @turbotubbs is identifying a segment of society - the unvaccinated - and saying they have fewer rights than everyone else.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited January 2022

    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,736

    I'd really like to see Novax at the Aussie Open just to see the reaction to him on court. Whatever the ultimate outcome, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, it would be fantastic theatre.

    Novax, however, thrives when the court is against him - something I’ve never seen elsewhere because players eventually wilt.

    So I don’t think you would see what you are expecting.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Alistair said:

    With the tennis surely the play now is to back other players? Once the tourney starts and Novax is voided then other peeps pdds mist come in surely?

    Already happened I think, Medvedev was at 7-2 for ages on Smarkets. Suddenly he's 2-1.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,247

    Blimey Kazakhstan is massive!


    Might prove an interesting diversion from the Ukranian border. Putin might not like another one of his allies falling to people power.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Well it was one of the key pledges Boris and co used to fool... I mean persuade... people to vote LEAVE!

    Time they put their money where their mouth is!
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,286
    edited January 2022
    eek said:

    Novax, however, thrives when the court is against him - something I’ve never seen elsewhere because players eventually wilt.

    So I don’t think you would see what you are expecting.
    Actually, I've no expectations at all. I'm just saying I'd enjoy watching it.

    Man plays other man is fine. Man plays a fiercely hostile crowd is a novelty in tennis - crowds can be partisan for a local favourite, and can tend to dislike individuals, but visceral animosity towards a particular player is really rare. It would be a hell of a spectacle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Foxy said:

    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
    She seems to me to understand politics as theatre in a way Starmer can't. I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

    I'm sure he would make a far better PM. But in the bear pit cauldron that is PMQs??...

  • BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Already happened I think, Medvedev was at 7-2 for ages on Smarkets. Suddenly he's 2-1.
    Which because Novax's price hasn't moved means everyone else's price has moved out!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,150

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    And they have no where near the level of testing we do.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Is that you, politics 4 all? ;)

    Didn't they have more than a million cases yesterday?
  • RobD said:

    Is that you, politics 4 all? ;)

    Didn't they have more than a million cases yesterday?
    Beep beep bop beep....
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,150
    I think this could be a turning point in Covid. The Australians have made the link between normality and anti-vaxxers crystal clear.

    The injured party is deeply unsympathetic and a figure of worldwide ridicule. Let's hope that sentiment spreads.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,736
    GIN1138 said:

    Well it was one of the key pledges Boris and co used to fool... I mean persuade... people to vote LEAVE!

    Time they put their money where their mouth is!
    Rees-mogg wants to cut £15bn+ of taxes today - the NI increase and remove VAT on fuel.

    Ain’t going to happen and Boris will have to cop the blame.

    As I said before Boris is going to have to seat there and take the blame until voter reality makes his removal certain after the May Elections.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    For the people that have "cashed out" what are yr actual bets on Djokovic himself ?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    dixiedean said:

    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    There’s no more lockdowns.

    Vaccines work.

    Covid mutating into a cold.

    And both the population and the government more willing to live with covid, and ain’t going back on that.

    Once attention moves away from covid/lockdowns it’s going to get very tricky for the government as the attention and pressures will be on picking up the pieces. Firstly exhausted NHS facing backlog non covid treatment. Educations need repairing. Finances to repair while Calls to cut taxes in face of credit crunch. And businesses leaders reckon U.K. struggles this year against peers thanks to Brexit.

    The politics of all this will make this blog very readable through this volatile period.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Farooq said:

    A bear pit cauldron? That sounds like a bit of a barbed-wire dynamite kind of crossfire.
    Or simply over written. 😃
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    "I now fear that what we have fought so hard to achieve globally — the right to free, fair elections, unhindered by strongman politicians who seek nothing more than to grow their own power — has become dangerously fragile at home"

    Jimmy Carter: I Fear for Our Democracy
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opinion/jan-6-jimmy-carter.html
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,818

    Does London have more hospitals per head than your average city/region? Maybe it does?
    Also, people always fear the worst. People feared London wouldn't ride it out.
    Also, other regions will be older, therefore more at risk of hospitalisation.
    Also, bigger peaks elsewhere. NW is already higher than London and not yet peaked. But NW is made up of lots of areas which cannot easily get to each others' hospitals. If Lambeth peaks a week before Harrow, outer London hospitals can pick up the slack from inner hospitals, a bit. If Cumbria peaks a week before Greater Manchester, less easy for sharing load between trusts.
  • Italy reports 189,109 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    eek said:

    Rees-mogg wants to cut £15bn+ of taxes today - the NI increase and remove VAT on fuel.

    Ain’t going to happen and Boris will have to cop the blame.

    As I said before Boris is going to have to seat there and take the blame until voter reality makes his removal certain after the May Elections.
    I cannot see how the NI increase actually happens now, at least this year.

    Sunak will be doing a "we have listened and we have reacted" speech to HoC within weeks me thinks.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,818
    dixiedean said:

    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,736

    Blimey Kazakhstan is massive!


    It’s also the (first?) country destroyed by crypto

    https://twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/status/1478859451675385860
  • BF: "If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void."
    They should suspend the market. This is how the Overround Fiasco happened.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Farooq said:

    Did Carter fall asleep at the end of his presidency and only just wake up? Because "fighting hard" for democracy is an eccentric take on American foreign policy over the past 40-odd years.
    They certainly haven't been averse to backing the odd "strongman" that's for sure.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Agree with all this. Poorly people shouldn’t be going to work. Similarly, well people shouldn’t be forced to stay at home. It’s the latter part that is causing a problem and needs to be reviewed.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    She seems to me to understand politics as theatre in a way Starmer can't. I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

    I'm sure he would make a far better PM. But in the bear pit cauldron that is PMQs??...

    The trouble is, it’s such hard viewing because Boris almost slavers over her. It really sets my teeth on edge.

    She is good though, I just can’t cope with Bozza’s reaction to her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    dixiedean said:

    They certainly haven't been averse to backing the odd "strongman" that's for sure.
    Reagan took down the non-democratic soviet union.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Rather unimaginative by your standards.

    I look forward to tomorrow’s update:

    The Federated States of Micronesia report more than seven new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232

    Rather unimaginative by your standards.

    I look forward to tomorrow’s update:

    The Federated States of Micronesia report more than seven new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
    They've had 1 case :D
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    There’s no more lockdowns.

    Vaccines work.

    Covid mutating into a cold.

    And both the population and the government more willing to live with covid, and ain’t going back on that.

    Once attention moves away from covid/lockdowns it’s going to get very tricky for the government as the attention and pressures will be on picking up the pieces. Firstly exhausted NHS facing backlog non covid treatment. Educations need repairing. Finances to repair while Calls to cut taxes in face of credit crunch. And businesses leaders reckon U.K. struggles this year against peers thanks to Brexit.

    The politics of all this will make this blog very readable through this volatile period.
    I remind readers of PB that I have long predicted that the April tax hike either won’t happen or will be reversed in short order, a la the 10p debacle under Brown. It’s going to be completely unpalatable to an electorate being hammered by rising prices and spiralling fuel bills.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Cookie said:

    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    Which is all fair comment.
    I've never been pro or anti. I think I took longer to persuade, purely because I had a dose of Omicron at the nastier end of the range of possibilities. But I never was a proponent of a lockdown this time. More wait and see.
    Now I've waited and seen.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    While we all read about the NHS strugglng with staff absences, there hasn't been much about care homes. I'm very familiar with one in Cornwall, where my uncle is staying - they have numerous staff sick and are struggling to cope. All visits have been banned. A friend's mother is in a Croydon home - it doesn't sound quite as bad there, but still very difficult - to visit there, you need to show 12 successive negative LFTs. My friend's mother has in fact had Omicron in the home, and is getting through it despite being 95, so I'm not suggesting a death wave, but I wonder whether there's a contingency plan to help homes with extra staff (from where?) to fill the gaps.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    edited January 2022

    Agree with all this. Poorly people shouldn’t be going to work. Similarly, well people shouldn’t be forced to stay at home. It’s the latter part that is causing a problem and needs to be reviewed.
    Hmm I think that's nuanced, if someone in our workplace tested positive they'd be told to stay away from the office or workshop no matter the official gov't line I think (Office staff can wfh, workshop can't).
    But perhaps this should be the decision of companies, not the gov't.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232

    While we all read about the NHS strugglng with staff absences, there hasn't been much about care homes. I'm very familiar with one in Cornwall, where my uncle is staying - they have numerous staff sick and are struggling to cope. All visits have been banned. A friend's mother is in a Croydon home - it doesn't sound quite as bad there, but still very difficult - to visit there, you need to show 12 successive negative LFTs. My friend's mother has in fact had Omicron in the home, and is getting through it despite being 95, so I'm not suggesting a death wave, but I wonder whether there's a contingency plan to help homes with extra staff (from where?) to fill the gaps.

    12 o_O. Crackers.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Cookie said:

    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    Indeed. Many omicron anti-lockdowners feel guilty for backing the original lockdown, as they feel that they have legitimised them as a policy tool (rather than an extraordinary one-off). I’m not in that camp. I stand by my support for Lockdown I as we were facing a completely new threat that nobody had any idea how to deal with. Yet I understand the argument that my support then made them more likely later.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Pulpstar said:

    Hmm I think that's nuanced, if someone in our workplace tested positive they'd be told to stay away from the office or workshop no matter the official gov't line I think (Office staff can wfh, workshop can't).
    But perhaps this should be the decision of companies, not the gov't.
    Indeed. It’s mandating seven days even when they have a clear test that I think is excessive. France and the US have already reduced it to five days.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    I think for all the Gov'ts faults they're getting it broadly right at the moment with the pandemic. I'd probably sack the JCVI but the vaccination status of 5 - 11 year olds isn't going to make or break the pandemic here.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Farooq said:

    A bear pit cauldron? That sounds like a bit of a barbed-wire dynamite kind of crossfire.
    All rather a mountain storm in a teacup molehill.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Pulpstar said:

    They've had 1 case :D
    …their biggest one-day increase on record!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    There’s no more lockdowns.

    Vaccines work.

    Covid mutating into a cold.

    And both the population and the government more willing to live with covid, and ain’t going back on that.

    Once attention moves away from covid/lockdowns it’s going to get very tricky for the government as the attention and pressures will be on picking up the pieces. Firstly exhausted NHS facing backlog non covid treatment. Educations need repairing. Finances to repair while Calls to cut taxes in face of credit crunch. And businesses leaders reckon U.K. struggles this year against peers thanks to Brexit.

    The politics of all this will make this blog very readable through this volatile period.
    This blog has been brilliant all evening. Satisfying and Educational often in unexpected ways. I think we have discussed art history of statues to a better understanding than the old lame stream media will come to next couple of days, and explored what makes art controversial. 👍🏻
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited January 2022
    I see Darren Grimes has made a twat of himself (again).

    Although i did find the description by his critics of Karl Marx as simply a Victorian Intellectual, is a bit like describing Colston as simply an import / exporter....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    Cookie said:

    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    One thing that always annoys me is the lack of nuance.

    Face masks on public transport is not a "lockdown".

    There are measures that have a relatively small cost in terms of personal freedom, and which have decent benefits. Likewise, there are measures that have enormous costs, and only modest benefits.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited January 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    One thing that always annoys me is the lack of nuance.

    Face masks on public transport is not a "lockdown".

    There are measures that have a relatively small cost in terms of personal freedom, and which have decent benefits. Likewise, there are measures that have enormous costs, and only modest benefits.

    Like closing schools last year for more than a few weeks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited January 2022
    Sky News still haven't got the memo....still wall to wall disaster, something must be done.
  • This thread has been detained at the border for having a dodgy medical exemption....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Indeed. It’s mandating seven days even when they have a clear test that I think is excessive. France and the US have already reduced it to five days.
    Different start point
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer strikes me as the type of Labour leader who might, like Neil Kinnock, have more of a problem when facing a female opponent. Perhaps a good reason for the Tories to choose Liz Truss.
    By 1990 Starmer per a female Tory leader, Margaret Thatcher but it was q male Tory leader, John Major, who beat him in 1992.

    Truss would trail Starmer by 16% with Opinium
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