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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Has anyone seen ‘A Castle for Christmas’?

    I thought it was dire, but because of the atrocious plot, acting, sets, continuity etc. However, I thought the male lead, an Englishman apparently, did a good Scottish accent. He’d been totally slated in social media, but I thought he was one of the less annoying features.

    Didn't see it. Did they have Gregor Fisher as the ghillie, I wonder?
    No.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13070602/fullcredits/cast?ref_=m_ttfc_3
    Urgh. Even the name Dun Dunbar castle ... it's like saying Fort Fort William.
    When the issue of renaming American army bases named after Confederates came up, a number of people said they should rename one after - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fort

    Just so you could have Fort Fort.....
    There is of course Townsville in North Queensland...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Towns
    And several River Avons in England.
    I was told by a Kiwi that the reason that there are so many Rotoruas and Rototoities in New Zealand is from early settlers. They would come over the hill, point at a lake and ask what it was called. Their guide would say "Rotorua" (lake) or "Rototoiti" (another lake).
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    eek said:

    eek said:

    The 64th annual Grammy Awards Show due to be held in the US later this month has been postponed due to coronavirus, organisers have said.

    A thread of photos from CES - it really is that empty

    https://twitter.com/DivertingLife/status/1478422758971346948
    And yet I bet you still can't get your hands on an Nvidia 3090 / 3090 Ti...
    Never had a problem getting one - heck getting them even gave me one of the businesses I will launch later this year.

    The card I use is a 3090 that cost £1000 from Amazon warehouse.
    £1k for 3090, what's wrong with it? I can't imagine you got £500-1000 discount on just a damaged box.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Maxwell defence calls for retrial after juror says he was 'a victim of sexual abuse'

    Bloody jurors spouting to the media is something we can be grateful for here.
    Can you imagine the stampede for this Colston jury? And their private lives and political positions being raked over? Whether you agree with them or not this is surely a great thing about our system.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Charles said:

    BREAKING: Italy makes COVID-19 vaccination legally mandatory for those 50 and older

    Any reports of how it will be enforced? And does this not discriminate (age)? And isn’t this othering @Charles?
    It’s not othering - I don’t think it is right to require mandatory vaccination but that’s a different topic.

    I’ve resisted using the obvious example because people jump to the wrong conclusion based on it. I’m am not making any comparison between the potential treatment of the unvaccinated and this example. However it may serve to make the concept clearer to you: the best recent example of othering is requiring Jewish citizens of Nazi Germany to wear yellow stars, clearly marking them out as being different to most Germans. That created a class of people who were “other” and who, over time.l, faced discrimination and worse.
    How is he not discriminated against here? He is not allowed to compete simply because of his vaccination status.
    Nope.
    He's not allowed in the country because of his vaccination status.
    Same thing, decfacto.
    Yes but. Numerous countries require proof of vaccination.
    I needed a few to get a Taiwanese visa 30 years ago. We needed HIV, hepatitis, syphilis tests yearly for renewal.
    This isn't new.
    Not only that my father-in-law refuses to get a passport and now he finds he's been othered by just about every country in the world. Shocking!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    Boris over-promising again....

    MAIL: We have lift-off, Britain!
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1478859019804717057?s=20

    Oh God, and I was just thinking we were turning the corner.


    Lockdown by 1st Feb.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    geoffw said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Has anyone seen ‘A Castle for Christmas’?

    I thought it was dire, but because of the atrocious plot, acting, sets, continuity etc. However, I thought the male lead, an Englishman apparently, did a good Scottish accent. He’d been totally slated in social media, but I thought he was one of the less annoying features.

    Didn't see it. Did they have Gregor Fisher as the ghillie, I wonder?
    No.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13070602/fullcredits/cast?ref_=m_ttfc_3
    Urgh. Even the name Dun Dunbar castle ... it's like saying Fort Fort William.
    When the issue of renaming American army bases named after Confederates came up, a number of people said they should rename one after - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fort

    Just so you could have Fort Fort.....
    There is a place called Forty Fort, which has a very boatey mcboatface vibe to it. Ahead of its time perhaps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Fort,_Pennsylvania
    Is it where Major Major trained?
    Major Major Major iirc.

    Major Major Major Major iirc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    London has more hospital beds per capita because of national quaternary centres, and the next hospital is much closer to divert ambulances to when overloaded. From Leicester it is a lot further to Coventry, Nottingham or Peterborough.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Maxwell defence calls for retrial after juror says he was 'a victim of sexual abuse'

    Bloody jurors spouting to the media is something we can be grateful for here.
    Can you imagine the stampede for this Colston jury? And their private lives and political positions being raked over? Whether you agree with them or not this is surely a great thing about our system.
    Although isn't a feature of US jury service that 100s get called to a trial and the lawyers whittle it all down to 12 good citizens by asking them a zillion questions about their life and views and past? Seems here someone has either lied or someone else dropped a bollock?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    The people who thought judges were enemies of the people and that activist lawyers are frustrating the noble intentions of HMG will be moving on to the juries. Who's left in the legal system to demonise, court ushers?


    It's such a shame that the gammon society is upset...
    Cheap shot. I don't know much about 'Save Our Statues' but they're making a substantive point that should be addressed.
    It isn't open season on statues.

    It does show however that juries will use their powers to acquit people if laws are used harshly to suppress legitimate dissent. Indeed that is how the original Penn case came to set the precedent.

    Sorry but it strikes me as populist justice. There are plenty of ways people could show 'legitimate dissent' without having to tear the statue down.
    No it is a long established principle that juries can refuse to enforce oppressive laws. It is the sort of ancient British custom that supposed patriots dislike.
    Causing criminal damage is an oppressive law?
    No but criminalising protest is.

    As is planned via the new Police Bill.
    But surely wat they did was more than protest?
    In effect the jury decided their protesting actions were legal.
    They were found not guilty. The burden being on the side of the prosecution.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    dixiedean said:

    Maxwell defence calls for retrial after juror says he was 'a victim of sexual abuse'

    Bloody jurors spouting to the media is something we can be grateful for here.
    Can you imagine the stampede for this Colston jury? And their private lives and political positions being raked over? Whether you agree with them or not this is surely a great thing about our system.
    Although isn't a feature of US jury service that 100s get called to a trial and the lawyers whittle it all down to 12 good citizens by asking them a zillion questions about their life and views and past? Seems here someone has either lied or someone else dropped a bollock?
    US jury selection massively help the defense.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    eek said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    The only chance of a lockdown comes from an omicron type variant that creates more serious illness.

    I don’t think it’s likely but it’s possible.
    Yes. Unforeseen was a spectacularly ill-chosen word. As that was precisely the scenario I was foreseeing....must do better.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dixiedean said:

    Poor Novak. Good job he's been before. Imagine going to Oz and all you get to see is Tullamarine.
    One of the direst airports I've ever been to.

    Now he’s going to have to declare denied entry/visa cancelled on lots of other immigration forms 😂
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    This is actually WORSE than the Boris "er er er"

    lol


    https://twitter.com/olafdoesstuff/status/1478344439143800832?s=21

    Starmer forgets his "third British value" and has to drink water to recover his composure

    It matters little in itself but let it be noted that Starmer was under zero pressure here, and he was still shit. He is no Blair. He might not even be Gordon Brown. I can see him losing, valiantly, against an equally fading Boris Johnson and an equally shop-worn Nicola Sturgeon. They will all look objectionably old and boring by then
  • Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,581

    Not sure how long this will last but you can still lay Jokovic on Betfair. Assuming he is toast, pretty easy money. DAYOR.

    Ooh ta!
    Although see the rules about cancelling bets if he doesn’t start. I think there is risk free profit here, but you may need to cash out at the right time...
    I've cashed out.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    The people who thought judges were enemies of the people and that activist lawyers are frustrating the noble intentions of HMG will be moving on to the juries. Who's left in the legal system to demonise, court ushers?


    It's such a shame that the gammon society is upset...
    Cheap shot. I don't know much about 'Save Our Statues' but they're making a substantive point that should be addressed.
    It isn't open season on statues.

    It does show however that juries will use their powers to acquit people if laws are used harshly to suppress legitimate dissent. Indeed that is how the original Penn case came to set the precedent.

    Sorry but it strikes me as populist justice. There are plenty of ways people could show 'legitimate dissent' without having to tear the statue down.
    No it is a long established principle that juries can refuse to enforce oppressive laws. It is the sort of ancient British custom that supposed patriots dislike.
    Causing criminal damage is an oppressive law?
    No but criminalising protest is.

    As is planned via the new Police Bill.
    But surely wat they did was more than protest?
    In effect the jury decided their protesting actions were legal.
    Worth bearing in mind that the law is very clear on this as I understand it. This does not set any form of precedent. The decision was specific to this case alone. So they have not decided that criminal damage - even in an identical situation - is legal. Just that in this case they would not return a guilty verdict.
    Yes, of course; there is no precedent here, and the jury's decision in this specific case does not give carte blanche to carry out criminal damage for political or any other reasons.

    That's why it's a storm in a teacup and doesn't merit quite so much debate, especially as none of us know, and will ever know, what the jury discussed in coming to their verdict.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Not sure how long this will last but you can still lay Jokovic on Betfair. Assuming he is toast, pretty easy money. DAYOR.

    Ooh ta!
    Although see the rules about cancelling bets if he doesn’t start. I think there is risk free profit here, but you may need to cash out at the right time...
    "Cashing out" means a back and a lay on the same player. Those bets should both be void according to the rules.
    Hmmmm, ive just done a cashout button hit after solely lay Novax and that's done about 24 bets to cash me out.

    This will get interesting.
    Are you in the Oz market ?
    Betting woth my UK wallet.

    I don't get this, it is a cross-matched market. How can they void bets on a runner? Every bet is dependent on all the selections.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    Charles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Poor Novak. Good job he's been before. Imagine going to Oz and all you get to see is Tullamarine.
    One of the direst airports I've ever been to.

    Now he’s going to have to declare denied entry/visa cancelled on lots of other immigration forms 😂
    I think the lack of "vaccinated" stamp is going to be a bigger problem....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    ScoMo:

    Mr Djokovic’s visa has been cancelled. Rules are rules, especially when it comes to our borders. No one is above these rules. Our strong border policies have been critical to Australia having one of the lowest death rates in the world from COVID, we are continuing to be vigilant.

    https://twitter.com/scottmorrisonmp/status/1478848008363991049?s=21
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited January 2022

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Central London has vast numbers of hospital beds in comparison?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited January 2022

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Does London have more hospitals per head than your average city/region? Maybe it does?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Leon said:

    This is actually WORSE than the Boris "er er er"

    lol


    https://twitter.com/olafdoesstuff/status/1478344439143800832?s=21

    Starmer forgets his "third British value" and has to drink water to recover his composure

    It matters little in itself but let it be noted that Starmer was under zero pressure here, and he was still shit. He is no Blair. He might not even be Gordon Brown. I can see him losing, valiantly, against an equally fading Boris Johnson and an equally shop-worn Nicola Sturgeon. They will all look objectionably old and boring by then

    Keir Starmer strikes me as the type of Labour leader who might, like Neil Kinnock, have more of a problem when facing a female opponent. Perhaps a good reason for the Tories to choose Liz Truss.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Foxy said:

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    London has more hospital beds per capita because of national quaternary centres, and the next hospital is much closer to divert ambulances to when overloaded. From Leicester it is a lot further to Coventry, Nottingham or Peterborough.
    Apologies. I see you have already answered my question!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Andy_JS said:

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
    I wonder if that effect is a little overstated. Aren't there a higher percentage of children in London? Also there may well be more natural immunity in London and smaller elderly population.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
    I don't believe it either. I suspect it is inflated by errors caused by a mobile population, EU citizens going home, and youngsters who live primarily in London but still go home to their parents (and may be registered with s GP in their home town).
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    IshmaelZ said:

    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Bristol is probably where you'd want to be tried if you were a lefty vegan knitting statue botherer.

    Maybe not the best place to locate a statue of a slave trader then. Perhaps they could have moved it to somewhere where white supremacists who murder children for profit are accorded the respect they're due.
    God, but you're lovely when you're angry.

    The whole point about Colston was that he was quite markedly less of a c--t than about 98% of his fellow slave traders in that he spent yuge sums of money on Bristol centric philanthropy rather than just being a rich c--t.

    Also, are slave traders white supremacists? Do they murder children (seems a negation of their basic business model) and where's the money in child murder anyway?
    I think you need to educate yourself about slavery and the slave trade.
    I am 1. a professional historian and 2. the beneficiary of a reasonable chunk of a 19th century "cotton merchant's" fortune.

    Thanks for the advice though.
    The traditional approach to inheriting a “reasonable chunk” is to give it away
    Really, Charles? How many people who you know who have inherited a reasonable chunk have given it away vs clung on to it?
    I can only speak to our family traditions. But we tithe while alive and give a minimum of 80% away on death.
    Well, yes, but I thought you were speaking about a "traditional approach" and that you were an historian?
    I know a number of other people who have, but they aren’t public about it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Hmmm. Let's see the detail. Few quid to a few pensioners aint gonna cut it on this one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    This is actually WORSE than the Boris "er er er"

    lol


    https://twitter.com/olafdoesstuff/status/1478344439143800832?s=21

    Starmer forgets his "third British value" and has to drink water to recover his composure

    It matters little in itself but let it be noted that Starmer was under zero pressure here, and he was still shit. He is no Blair. He might not even be Gordon Brown. I can see him losing, valiantly, against an equally fading Boris Johnson and an equally shop-worn Nicola Sturgeon. They will all look objectionably old and boring by then

    Keir Starmer strikes me as the type of Labour leader who might, like Neil Kinnock, have more of a problem when facing a female opponent. Perhaps a good reason for the Tories to choose Liz Truss.
    I'm not sure Neil's fundamental problem was that Thatch happened to be a woman!!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    Andy_JS said:

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    The level of vaccination is far higher outside London than inside, so I'm hoping that will mean there isn't too much of a problem in the rest of the country. London famously has about a third of people totally unjabbed, which is a figure I still find hard to believe.
    I don't believe it either. I suspect it is inflated by errors caused by a mobile population, EU citizens going home, and youngsters who live primarily in London but still go home to their parents (and may be registered with s GP in their home town).
    Or like me, you've been registered in three different surgeries within the last year! By NIMS I count three times for London numbers and so does my wife.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited January 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    Is there a law under which jurors can be prosecuted for being a bunch of knobheads?

    The joy of the jury system is that the jury can acquit for whatever reason they like.
    You could flip that the opposite way and that they can convict for any reason they like.

    It’s not for juries to be setting laws. That’s why we have elections.
    Who should be deciding if people have broken the law, if not a jury of the accused's peers?

    Juries will occasionally acquit for reasons we find incomprehensible.

    That's a feature, not a bug.
    People who know what the law is, and have much better than average education and intelligence. What is this shit about "peers"? Who should be the judge of whether I have, let's say, MS? A specialist surgeon or 12 random wankers?

    How we all cheered when good old Fred was acquitted in 1993.
    Awful example in terms of your argument as West was NOT acquitted by a jury in 1993 - the trial collapsed and the jury was dismissed by the very experts to whom you refer (although not blaming them - it appears key witnesses simply wouldn't testify).

    I think you misunderstand the role and value of a jury. Juries are not opining on what the law is. Largely, their role is determining who to believe, and it isn't obvious that people of "better than average education and intelligence" as you put it are better at that. I would suggest that, in fact, such people are simply more likely to believe people of better than average education and intelligence. A typical jury will have more of a range - from the very intelligent and erudite to the wide-boy who gets how sometimes fights in pubs get out of hand... which is actually pretty relevant life experience for a juror, even though I don't have it myself.

    Very occasionally you get a case like the Colston Four where jurors possibly (and we don't know the debate in the jury room) feel the defendant is technically guilty but just don't want them to get a criminal record as they have sympathy, don't feel it's fair, and want to throw them a bit of mercy. As has been said, I think as long as that is rare it's a feature, not a bug. Whether or not you agree with this jury (and I myself am unsure) I don't see it as a bad thing that a dozen people just occasionally do that as it maintains a sense that the courts are considering, as well as black letter law, the fairness to the individual defendant.
    OK but if they are thought to be of average intelligence why the withholding of plainly relevant evidence as I the Harper trial, because it is prejudicial? Anyone too stupid to sort the prejudicial from the probative is surely also too stupid to sort the probative from the non probative.
    I am not sure how you would run a jury trial system with a modicum of efficiency without some kind of filter to limit what is presented to the jury. You do need to have some kind of rules of the game to ensure evidence presented by both defence and prosecution is sufficiently relevant rather than a question of throwing shade.

    I also didn't say jurors are of average intelligence, or even that someone of average intelligence is likely to be good at that filtering process. Some are above, some below. That's averages for you. What I said was that having a range of life experiences was a good thing.

    Nor did I suggest that experts don't have a role in the process. The judge in a jury trial has a huge and important role - they are ensuring the jury is properly instructed as to the law and that the "game" is played fairly. What they don't do is ultimately determine guilt or innocence. It's a false dichotomy to set the debate up as a choice between a trial with a judge only and a total free for all.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited January 2022
    With the tennis surely the play now is to back other players? Once the tourney starts and Novax is voided then other peeps pdds mist come in surely?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    BREAKING: Italy makes COVID-19 vaccination legally mandatory for those 50 and older

    Any reports of how it will be enforced? And does this not discriminate (age)? And isn’t this othering @Charles?
    It’s not othering - I don’t think it is right to require mandatory vaccination but that’s a different topic.

    I’ve resisted using the obvious example because people jump to the wrong conclusion based on it. I’m am not making any comparison between the potential treatment of the unvaccinated and this example. However it may serve to make the concept clearer to you: the best recent example of othering is requiring Jewish citizens of Nazi Germany to wear yellow stars, clearly marking them out as being different to most Germans. That created a class of people who were “other” and who, over time.l, faced discrimination and worse.
    How is he not discriminated against here? He is not allowed to compete simply because of his vaccination status.
    He’s an individual not a class of people
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Barnesian said:

    Not sure how long this will last but you can still lay Jokovic on Betfair. Assuming he is toast, pretty easy money. DAYOR.

    Ooh ta!
    Although see the rules about cancelling bets if he doesn’t start. I think there is risk free profit here, but you may need to cash out at the right time...
    I've cashed out.

    BF: "If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void."
  • Maxwell defence calls for retrial after juror says he was 'a victim of sexual abuse'

    Hopefully not by Epstein??
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    eek said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    The only chance of a lockdown comes from an omicron type variant that creates more serious illness.

    I don’t think it’s likely but it’s possible.
    Seems unlikely now before we enter the summer low season anyway.

    Next autumn? Who the feck knows.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Rees-Mogg calls on Sunak to scrap fuel vat - Telegraph.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Australian Government has cancelled Novak Djokovic’s visa. He will be sent home. @9NewsAUS @2GB873

    I think this one was an impressive double fault - letting him in, then getting cold feet.

    They should never have Lett him in.

    Their credibility is a net loser. But it is ace news for Australia.

    I'm here to serve (that's enough - Ed).
    By deuce! You’ve got to love all the puns

    You can't possibly love all those puns?
    “Love-All”
    “fifteen-love”

    Sigh

    🙄
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Menvs Aus Open not available on Will Hill.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Endillion said:

    geoffw said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Has anyone seen ‘A Castle for Christmas’?

    I thought it was dire, but because of the atrocious plot, acting, sets, continuity etc. However, I thought the male lead, an Englishman apparently, did a good Scottish accent. He’d been totally slated in social media, but I thought he was one of the less annoying features.

    Didn't see it. Did they have Gregor Fisher as the ghillie, I wonder?
    No.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13070602/fullcredits/cast?ref_=m_ttfc_3
    Urgh. Even the name Dun Dunbar castle ... it's like saying Fort Fort William.
    When the issue of renaming American army bases named after Confederates came up, a number of people said they should rename one after - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fort

    Just so you could have Fort Fort.....
    There is a place called Forty Fort, which has a very boatey mcboatface vibe to it. Ahead of its time perhaps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Fort,_Pennsylvania
    Is it where Major Major trained?
    Major Major Major iirc.

    Major Major Major Major iirc.
    Buffalo buffalo… buffalo?
  • Charles said:

    Charles said:

    BREAKING: Italy makes COVID-19 vaccination legally mandatory for those 50 and older

    Any reports of how it will be enforced? And does this not discriminate (age)? And isn’t this othering @Charles?
    It’s not othering - I don’t think it is right to require mandatory vaccination but that’s a different topic.

    I’ve resisted using the obvious example because people jump to the wrong conclusion based on it. I’m am not making any comparison between the potential treatment of the unvaccinated and this example. However it may serve to make the concept clearer to you: the best recent example of othering is requiring Jewish citizens of Nazi Germany to wear yellow stars, clearly marking them out as being different to most Germans. That created a class of people who were “other” and who, over time.l, faced discrimination and worse.
    How is he not discriminated against here? He is not allowed to compete simply because of his vaccination status.
    He’s an individual not a class of people
    Whilst I don't think there's unfairness to Novax, he is in a class of people, being people who are opposed to vaccination.

    It's arguable whether it's justifiable to discriminate on the basis of this sort of belief. I personally think it is. But he is certainly part of a "class of people".
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Australian Government has cancelled Novak Djokovic’s visa. He will be sent home. @9NewsAUS @2GB873

    I think this one was an impressive double fault - letting him in, then getting cold feet.

    They should never have Lett him in.

    Their credibility is a net loser. But it is ace news for Australia.

    I'm here to serve (that's enough - Ed).
    By deuce! You’ve got to love all the puns

    You can't possibly love all those puns?
    “Love-All”
    “fifteen-love”

    Sigh

    🙄
    At least he’s now OUT!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Blimey Kazakhstan is massive!


  • I'd really like to see Novax at the Aussie Open just to see the reaction to him on court. Whatever the ultimate outcome, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, it would be fantastic theatre.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Here you go:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1478786979324116997

    (and successive tweets by in the thread).
    Yes, that is a good thread.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    BREAKING: Italy makes COVID-19 vaccination legally mandatory for those 50 and older

    Any reports of how it will be enforced? And does this not discriminate (age)? And isn’t this othering @Charles?
    It’s not othering - I don’t think it is right to require mandatory vaccination but that’s a different topic.

    I’ve resisted using the obvious example because people jump to the wrong conclusion based on it. I’m am not making any comparison between the potential treatment of the unvaccinated and this example. However it may serve to make the concept clearer to you: the best recent example of othering is requiring Jewish citizens of Nazi Germany to wear yellow stars, clearly marking them out as being different to most Germans. That created a class of people who were “other” and who, over time.l, faced discrimination and worse.
    How is he not discriminated against here? He is not allowed to compete simply because of his vaccination status.
    He’s an individual not a class of people
    Whilst I don't think there's unfairness to Novax, he is in a class of people, being people who are opposed to vaccination.

    It's arguable whether it's justifiable to discriminate on the basis of this sort of belief. I personally think it is. But he is certainly part of a "class of people".
    The difference is:

    Djokovic tried to enter Australia without being in possession of a valid visa. He was denied entry as everyone without a valid visa is denied entry.

    @turbotubbs is identifying a segment of society - the unvaccinated - and saying they have fewer rights than everyone else.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited January 2022

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    I'd really like to see Novax at the Aussie Open just to see the reaction to him on court. Whatever the ultimate outcome, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, it would be fantastic theatre.

    Novax, however, thrives when the court is against him - something I’ve never seen elsewhere because players eventually wilt.

    So I don’t think you would see what you are expecting.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Alistair said:

    With the tennis surely the play now is to back other players? Once the tourney starts and Novax is voided then other peeps pdds mist come in surely?

    Already happened I think, Medvedev was at 7-2 for ages on Smarkets. Suddenly he's 2-1.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Blimey Kazakhstan is massive!


    Might prove an interesting diversion from the Ukranian border. Putin might not like another one of his allies falling to people power.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,277

    Rees-Mogg calls on Sunak to scrap fuel vat - Telegraph.
    Well it was one of the key pledges Boris and co used to fool... I mean persuade... people to vote LEAVE!

    Time they put their money where their mouth is!
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited January 2022
    eek said:

    I'd really like to see Novax at the Aussie Open just to see the reaction to him on court. Whatever the ultimate outcome, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, it would be fantastic theatre.

    Novax, however, thrives when the court is against him - something I’ve never seen elsewhere because players eventually wilt.

    So I don’t think you would see what you are expecting.
    Actually, I've no expectations at all. I'm just saying I'd enjoy watching it.

    Man plays other man is fine. Man plays a fiercely hostile crowd is a novelty in tennis - crowds can be partisan for a local favourite, and can tend to dislike individuals, but visceral animosity towards a particular player is really rare. It would be a hell of a spectacle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Foxy said:

    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
    She seems to me to understand politics as theatre in a way Starmer can't. I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

    I'm sure he would make a far better PM. But in the bear pit cauldron that is PMQs??...

  • BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    With the tennis surely the play now is to back other players? Once the tourney starts and Novax is voided then other peeps pdds mist come in surely?

    Already happened I think, Medvedev was at 7-2 for ages on Smarkets. Suddenly he's 2-1.
    Which because Novax's price hasn't moved means everyone else's price has moved out!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    And they have no where near the level of testing we do.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Is that you, politics 4 all? ;)

    Didn't they have more than a million cases yesterday?
  • RobD said:

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Is that you, politics 4 all? ;)

    Didn't they have more than a million cases yesterday?
    Beep beep bop beep....
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    I think this could be a turning point in Covid. The Australians have made the link between normality and anti-vaxxers crystal clear.

    The injured party is deeply unsympathetic and a figure of worldwide ridicule. Let's hope that sentiment spreads.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    GIN1138 said:

    Rees-Mogg calls on Sunak to scrap fuel vat - Telegraph.
    Well it was one of the key pledges Boris and co used to fool... I mean persuade... people to vote LEAVE!

    Time they put their money where their mouth is!
    Rees-mogg wants to cut £15bn+ of taxes today - the NI increase and remove VAT on fuel.

    Ain’t going to happen and Boris will have to cop the blame.

    As I said before Boris is going to have to seat there and take the blame until voter reality makes his removal certain after the May Elections.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    For the people that have "cashed out" what are yr actual bets on Djokovic himself ?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    There’s no more lockdowns.

    Vaccines work.

    Covid mutating into a cold.

    And both the population and the government more willing to live with covid, and ain’t going back on that.

    Once attention moves away from covid/lockdowns it’s going to get very tricky for the government as the attention and pressures will be on picking up the pieces. Firstly exhausted NHS facing backlog non covid treatment. Educations need repairing. Finances to repair while Calls to cut taxes in face of credit crunch. And businesses leaders reckon U.K. struggles this year against peers thanks to Brexit.

    The politics of all this will make this blog very readable through this volatile period.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
    She seems to me to understand politics as theatre in a way Starmer can't. I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

    I'm sure he would make a far better PM. But in the bear pit cauldron that is PMQs??...

    A bear pit cauldron? That sounds like a bit of a barbed-wire dynamite kind of crossfire.
    Or simply over written. 😃
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    "I now fear that what we have fought so hard to achieve globally — the right to free, fair elections, unhindered by strongman politicians who seek nothing more than to grow their own power — has become dangerously fragile at home"

    Jimmy Carter: I Fear for Our Democracy
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opinion/jan-6-jimmy-carter.html
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    Two things I'm picking up from twitter at the moment.

    1) London hospitals seem to be coping okay with the omicron wave

    2) There appears to be concern in the rest of England that they may not be able to ride it out so easily. If that is the case it would be interesting to know why.

    Does London have more hospitals per head than your average city/region? Maybe it does?
    Also, people always fear the worst. People feared London wouldn't ride it out.
    Also, other regions will be older, therefore more at risk of hospitalisation.
    Also, bigger peaks elsewhere. NW is already higher than London and not yet peaked. But NW is made up of lots of areas which cannot easily get to each others' hospitals. If Lambeth peaks a week before Harrow, outer London hospitals can pick up the slack from inner hospitals, a bit. If Cumbria peaks a week before Greater Manchester, less easy for sharing load between trusts.
  • Italy reports 189,109 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Rees-Mogg calls on Sunak to scrap fuel vat - Telegraph.
    Well it was one of the key pledges Boris and co used to fool... I mean persuade... people to vote LEAVE!

    Time they put their money where their mouth is!
    Rees-mogg wants to cut £15bn+ of taxes today - the NI increase and remove VAT on fuel.

    Ain’t going to happen and Boris will have to cop the blame.

    As I said before Boris is going to have to seat there and take the blame until voter reality makes his removal certain after the May Elections.
    I cannot see how the NI increase actually happens now, at least this year.

    Sunak will be doing a "we have listened and we have reacted" speech to HoC within weeks me thinks.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Blimey Kazakhstan is massive!


    It’s also the (first?) country destroyed by crypto

    https://twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/status/1478859451675385860
  • Barnesian said:

    Not sure how long this will last but you can still lay Jokovic on Betfair. Assuming he is toast, pretty easy money. DAYOR.

    Ooh ta!
    Although see the rules about cancelling bets if he doesn’t start. I think there is risk free profit here, but you may need to cash out at the right time...
    I've cashed out.

    BF: "If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void."
    They should suspend the market. This is how the Overround Fiasco happened.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Farooq said:

    "I now fear that what we have fought so hard to achieve globally — the right to free, fair elections, unhindered by strongman politicians who seek nothing more than to grow their own power — has become dangerously fragile at home"

    Jimmy Carter: I Fear for Our Democracy
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opinion/jan-6-jimmy-carter.html

    Did Carter fall asleep at the end of his presidency and only just wake up? Because "fighting hard" for democracy is an eccentric take on American foreign policy over the past 40-odd years.
    They certainly haven't been averse to backing the odd "strongman" that's for sure.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Agree with all this. Poorly people shouldn’t be going to work. Similarly, well people shouldn’t be forced to stay at home. It’s the latter part that is causing a problem and needs to be reviewed.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Foxy said:

    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
    She seems to me to understand politics as theatre in a way Starmer can't. I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

    I'm sure he would make a far better PM. But in the bear pit cauldron that is PMQs??...

    The trouble is, it’s such hard viewing because Boris almost slavers over her. It really sets my teeth on edge.

    She is good though, I just can’t cope with Bozza’s reaction to her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    dixiedean said:

    Farooq said:

    "I now fear that what we have fought so hard to achieve globally — the right to free, fair elections, unhindered by strongman politicians who seek nothing more than to grow their own power — has become dangerously fragile at home"

    Jimmy Carter: I Fear for Our Democracy
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opinion/jan-6-jimmy-carter.html

    Did Carter fall asleep at the end of his presidency and only just wake up? Because "fighting hard" for democracy is an eccentric take on American foreign policy over the past 40-odd years.
    They certainly haven't been averse to backing the odd "strongman" that's for sure.
    Reagan took down the non-democratic soviet union.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Rather unimaginative by your standards.

    I look forward to tomorrow’s update:

    The Federated States of Micronesia report more than seven new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Rather unimaginative by your standards.

    I look forward to tomorrow’s update:

    The Federated States of Micronesia report more than seven new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
    They've had 1 case :D
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    There’s no more lockdowns.

    Vaccines work.

    Covid mutating into a cold.

    And both the population and the government more willing to live with covid, and ain’t going back on that.

    Once attention moves away from covid/lockdowns it’s going to get very tricky for the government as the attention and pressures will be on picking up the pieces. Firstly exhausted NHS facing backlog non covid treatment. Educations need repairing. Finances to repair while Calls to cut taxes in face of credit crunch. And businesses leaders reckon U.K. struggles this year against peers thanks to Brexit.

    The politics of all this will make this blog very readable through this volatile period.
    I remind readers of PB that I have long predicted that the April tax hike either won’t happen or will be reversed in short order, a la the 10p debacle under Brown. It’s going to be completely unpalatable to an electorate being hammered by rising prices and spiralling fuel bills.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    Which is all fair comment.
    I've never been pro or anti. I think I took longer to persuade, purely because I had a dose of Omicron at the nastier end of the range of possibilities. But I never was a proponent of a lockdown this time. More wait and see.
    Now I've waited and seen.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    While we all read about the NHS strugglng with staff absences, there hasn't been much about care homes. I'm very familiar with one in Cornwall, where my uncle is staying - they have numerous staff sick and are struggling to cope. All visits have been banned. A friend's mother is in a Croydon home - it doesn't sound quite as bad there, but still very difficult - to visit there, you need to show 12 successive negative LFTs. My friend's mother has in fact had Omicron in the home, and is getting through it despite being 95, so I'm not suggesting a death wave, but I wonder whether there's a contingency plan to help homes with extra staff (from where?) to fill the gaps.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    edited January 2022

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Agree with all this. Poorly people shouldn’t be going to work. Similarly, well people shouldn’t be forced to stay at home. It’s the latter part that is causing a problem and needs to be reviewed.
    Hmm I think that's nuanced, if someone in our workplace tested positive they'd be told to stay away from the office or workshop no matter the official gov't line I think (Office staff can wfh, workshop can't).
    But perhaps this should be the decision of companies, not the gov't.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    While we all read about the NHS strugglng with staff absences, there hasn't been much about care homes. I'm very familiar with one in Cornwall, where my uncle is staying - they have numerous staff sick and are struggling to cope. All visits have been banned. A friend's mother is in a Croydon home - it doesn't sound quite as bad there, but still very difficult - to visit there, you need to show 12 successive negative LFTs. My friend's mother has in fact had Omicron in the home, and is getting through it despite being 95, so I'm not suggesting a death wave, but I wonder whether there's a contingency plan to help homes with extra staff (from where?) to fill the gaps.

    12 o_O. Crackers.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    Indeed. Many omicron anti-lockdowners feel guilty for backing the original lockdown, as they feel that they have legitimised them as a policy tool (rather than an extraordinary one-off). I’m not in that camp. I stand by my support for Lockdown I as we were facing a completely new threat that nobody had any idea how to deal with. Yet I understand the argument that my support then made them more likely later.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Agree with all this. Poorly people shouldn’t be going to work. Similarly, well people shouldn’t be forced to stay at home. It’s the latter part that is causing a problem and needs to be reviewed.
    Hmm I think that's nuanced, if someone in our workplace tested positive they'd be told to stay away from the office or workshop no matter the official gov't line I think (Office staff can wfh, workshop can't).
    But perhaps this should be the decision of companies, not the gov't.
    Indeed. It’s mandating seven days even when they have a clear test that I think is excessive. France and the US have already reduced it to five days.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    I think for all the Gov'ts faults they're getting it broadly right at the moment with the pandemic. I'd probably sack the JCVI but the vaccination status of 5 - 11 year olds isn't going to make or break the pandemic here.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Looks like she did well at PMQs. She seems to rather relish it.
    She seems to me to understand politics as theatre in a way Starmer can't. I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

    I'm sure he would make a far better PM. But in the bear pit cauldron that is PMQs??...

    A bear pit cauldron? That sounds like a bit of a barbed-wire dynamite kind of crossfire.
    All rather a mountain storm in a teacup molehill.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Pulpstar said:

    BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 600,000 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, with some states yet to report

    Rather unimaginative by your standards.

    I look forward to tomorrow’s update:

    The Federated States of Micronesia report more than seven new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
    They've had 1 case :D
    …their biggest one-day increase on record!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    There’s no more lockdowns.

    Vaccines work.

    Covid mutating into a cold.

    And both the population and the government more willing to live with covid, and ain’t going back on that.

    Once attention moves away from covid/lockdowns it’s going to get very tricky for the government as the attention and pressures will be on picking up the pieces. Firstly exhausted NHS facing backlog non covid treatment. Educations need repairing. Finances to repair while Calls to cut taxes in face of credit crunch. And businesses leaders reckon U.K. struggles this year against peers thanks to Brexit.

    The politics of all this will make this blog very readable through this volatile period.
    This blog has been brilliant all evening. Satisfying and Educational often in unexpected ways. I think we have discussed art history of statues to a better understanding than the old lame stream media will come to next couple of days, and explored what makes art controversial. 👍🏻
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    I see Darren Grimes has made a twat of himself (again).

    Although i did find the description by his critics of Karl Marx as simply a Victorian Intellectual, is a bit like describing Colston as simply an import / exporter....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    One thing that always annoys me is the lack of nuance.

    Face masks on public transport is not a "lockdown".

    There are measures that have a relatively small cost in terms of personal freedom, and which have decent benefits. Likewise, there are measures that have enormous costs, and only modest benefits.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited January 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Well I'm pleased you're now convinced.

    I think ardent anti-lockdowners fear lockdown more because:
    a) we tend to be more convinced that lockdown is the wrong response.
    b) many of us have felt this way for some time, and have seen lockdowns before on what we consider scant evidence. We're therefore less convinced than average that decisions are being made rationally, so the fact that there is no case for it doesn't reassure us that government will not do it.
    One thing that always annoys me is the lack of nuance.

    Face masks on public transport is not a "lockdown".

    There are measures that have a relatively small cost in terms of personal freedom, and which have decent benefits. Likewise, there are measures that have enormous costs, and only modest benefits.

    Like closing schools last year for more than a few weeks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    Sky News still haven't got the memo....still wall to wall disaster, something must be done.
  • This thread has been detained at the border for having a dodgy medical exemption....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    The Colston verdicts are clearly insane but that is juries. So be it

    On the plus side I can say after getting hammered in the pubs of Soho, and meeting a self selecting group of young bohemian people who go to the French House on a Wednesday in early January, that Generation Z:

    1. Are not at all Woke as we know it

    2. Don't give a fuck about Covid

    3, Are absolutely never going to obey another lockdown, so it is pointless

    Good for them. They are fun

    The vast majority, never mind Gen z, will not obey another lockdown and Whitty knows this.

    Doesn't really matter what Whitty thinks.
    But, seriously. Does anyone think there is a prospect at all of a lockdown now? (Barring summat unforeseen and catastrophic).
    Folk need to find summat more plausible to rail against.
    You are perhaps right. The pressure now needs to be on the isolation rules, the seven-day penalty is now feared more than the disease itself.
    I was urging caution even a week ago. Too early to tell. Even was called a "lockdown fanatic." I never thought the case was proven.
    But now I do.
    Yet many of the most ardent anti-lockdowners still seem to fear one. Which is strange. Because politically, it isn't going to happen. And isn't even necessary. And is too late even if it were.
    Am wary about 2 things now.
    Firstly, that the appetite for vaccination wanes now that omicron is proved mild. The next variant doesn't have to be. And I want this over once and for bloody all for all our sakes. That means keeping getting folk jabbed for the time being at least.
    Secondly, that milder doesn't always mean mild. The virus has always been unpredictable from the beginning in its effects on different individuals. I would have needed 2 weeks off work. Mostly because I was sleeping more hours than awake for that time period. Rest of family, a cold for a few days. I wouldn't want the "get back to work you bloody skiver" narrative to leak out of the Daily Mail comments into the mainstream. A few are still pretty sick, even the triple vaxxed, even if the vast majority aren't. Glad I didn't get the full fat one.
    Agree with all this. Poorly people shouldn’t be going to work. Similarly, well people shouldn’t be forced to stay at home. It’s the latter part that is causing a problem and needs to be reviewed.
    Hmm I think that's nuanced, if someone in our workplace tested positive they'd be told to stay away from the office or workshop no matter the official gov't line I think (Office staff can wfh, workshop can't).
    But perhaps this should be the decision of companies, not the gov't.
    Indeed. It’s mandating seven days even when they have a clear test that I think is excessive. France and the US have already reduced it to five days.
    Different start point
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    This is actually WORSE than the Boris "er er er"

    lol


    https://twitter.com/olafdoesstuff/status/1478344439143800832?s=21

    Starmer forgets his "third British value" and has to drink water to recover his composure

    It matters little in itself but let it be noted that Starmer was under zero pressure here, and he was still shit. He is no Blair. He might not even be Gordon Brown. I can see him losing, valiantly, against an equally fading Boris Johnson and an equally shop-worn Nicola Sturgeon. They will all look objectionably old and boring by then

    Keir Starmer strikes me as the type of Labour leader who might, like Neil Kinnock, have more of a problem when facing a female opponent. Perhaps a good reason for the Tories to choose Liz Truss.
    By 1990 Starmer per a female Tory leader, Margaret Thatcher but it was q male Tory leader, John Major, who beat him in 1992.

    Truss would trail Starmer by 16% with Opinium
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