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“the poll’s Favourability Index finds that the Conservative Party is viewed more favourably than Labour for the first time, suggesting that the Tory brand is now seen as no more “toxic” than the Labour one.”
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First ..... again!0
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Dammit peter!0
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That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.0 -
No question about Osborne's popularity? Guess ComRes didn't want to embarrass the party leaders ;-)0
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Wrong again, oh well.0
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The Scottish polling that I had to cull from the thread header
With less than a month to go to the Scottish referendum, the poll finds that only 5 per cent of the English and Welsh view Alex Salmond favourably. The same percentage are favourable towards his Scottish National Party. But a larger number, 12 per cent, are favourable to the idea of "independence for Scotland".
In Scotland, though, Mr Salmond is more popular (36 per cent favourable) than any of the UK party leaders are in the whole of Britain. (But note the Scottish subsample is small, 170.)
Scots are more positive about the English (65 per cent favourable) than the English and Welsh are about Scottish people generally (52 per cent).0 -
The Tories no longer being toxic is major news.Alanbrooke said:That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.0 -
An occasion somewhat short of requiring 'brevity' in my most humble opinion....0
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A better poll for the Tories - take cover for the avalanche of criticism of methodology/weighting/it's not Ashcroft/etc/etc/etc from all the usual suspects.0
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If the Tories are losing the toxicity of their brand, it would be remarkable, but I cannot see it lasting. I've never come across quite the same level of hatred for Labour that many people have for the Tories, despite living in a Tory heartland. Still, anything is possible I suppose, worth keeping an eye on. Cameron no longer polling better than his party?0
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If the tories are less toxic that could have big implications for tory/lib dem fights I guess.0
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Skill, pure skill.RobD said:Dammit peter!
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I guess we English owe them apologies for any 'The Scots hate us' comments we may have made in the past.TheScreamingEagles said:
Scots are more positive about the English (65 per cent favourable) than the English and Welsh are about Scottish people generally (52 per cent).0 -
It's one poll, you can't actually say no more.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories no longer being toxic is major news.Alanbrooke said:That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.0 -
This is the language of horse-shit as Alanbrooke might say. No not your language TSE, just that premise of this poll is airy-fairy.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories no longer being toxic is major!Alanbrooke said:That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.
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Hard to get terribly excited by this one with its 1% shift, for the same reasons that I've discounted some of the larger YouGov leads - if subsidaries move in step together with VI, it usually suggests a sample issue, unless there's an obvious reason. But it's more in line with Richard N's thesis that nothing much is happening than PfP's thesis that Labour is surging ahead.
Next poll! What else are we expecting tonight, just YG?0 -
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Can't help but notice that UKIP have a similar net favourable rating to Labour and the Conservatives.0
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I'm only anticipating the YouGov.NickPalmer said:Hard to get terribly excited by this one with its 1% shift, for the same reasons that I've discounted some of the larger YouGov leads - if subsidaries move in step together with VI, it usually suggests a sample issue, unless there's an obvious reason. But it's more in line with Richard N's thesis that nothing much is happening than PfP's thesis that Labour is surging ahead.
Next poll! What else are we expecting tonight, just YG?0 -
One thing that all the polls show is that coalitions are very bad for the LDs and I think they can only blame themselves for that. Almost from the start they have tried to be the opposition within the government - it's a pretty lousy message to give.0
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That's the point I made.Alanbrooke said:
It's one poll, you can't actually say no more.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories no longer being toxic is major news.Alanbrooke said:That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.
But remember, last year, Ipsos-Mori found Ed Miliband more toxic than the Tories.0 -
Or maybe Salmond owes us all an apology for giving Scots a reputation they don't deserve.kle4 said:
I guess we English owe them apologies for any 'The Scots hate us' comments we may have made in the past.TheScreamingEagles said:
Scots are more positive about the English (65 per cent favourable) than the English and Welsh are about Scottish people generally (52 per cent).0 -
Frau Merkel was right when she said in a coalition, "The little party always gets smashed!"felix said:One thing that all the polls show is that coalitions are very bad for the LDs and I think they can only blame themselves for that. Almost from the start they have tried to be the opposition within the government - it's a pretty lousy message to give.
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Also striking to see that Con + UKIP is 50%!0
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These bastards are everywhere. Watch out Heathrow!0 -
Anyhoo, time for Doctor Who.0
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Not smashed enough, as was the case for Merkel.TheScreamingEagles said:
Frau Merkel was right when she said in a coalition, "The little party always gets smashed!"felix said:One thing that all the polls show is that coalitions are very bad for the LDs and I think they can only blame themselves for that. Almost from the start they have tried to be the opposition within the government - it's a pretty lousy message to give.
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It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
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Keep that champagne for me #GIN1138. I'll give you a good price for it when I celebrate UKIP triuphs to come.GIN1138 said:Champagne's staying on ice for now...
@TheScreamingEagles
"Don't Fail Me Again... Mr Eagles"!
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I think it's their duplicity which has done for them - only Alexander seems largely to understand the approach to take. The rest, especially Cable but also Huhne before the law caught up with him just came across as slimy and untrustworthy. Sad - but even the whole Rennard debacle seems to confirm the image of double dealing and hypocrisy which pervades the partyDavid_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?0 -
Do I sense a new 'Gold Standard' might be emerging?0
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For some reason, the specific compromises, shifts in position, u-turns and falsities the LDs have engaged in since 2010 have saddled them with the label of being apparently the only political party to ever engage in such behaviour. Strongly Labour people see them as traitors, strongly Tory people see them as deceitful undermining 'allies' and most of the rest see them as ineffective and wishy washy I would guess.David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
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The level of false consciousness in this country is scary.
Perhaps after 4 years of a Tory led government the voters are suffering from Stockholm syndrome?
A Grim day for the Heed today (pun intended!).0 -
Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.0
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Roger you old codger. it's been so long since we've had you on the board tell us what's new in luvvie land .Roger said:Do I sense a new 'Gold Standard' might be emerging?
Out here in the sticks it's all Prince Alberts and body art.0 -
The Kipper numbers suggest that Mr Farage is a bit of a drag on his party. Should he hand over to Paul Nuttall to give UKIP a boost?0
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David Evershed
"How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?"
The most duplicitous politician since Quisling has succeeded in sucking out the venom from the Tories and absorbing it himself. Who could have predicted that?
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Ah the old 'dismissal of the polling I don't like' syndrome emergesvolcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
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That is so rude about Vince Cable... and so true.Roger said:David Evershed
"How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?"
The most duplicitous politician since Quisling has succeeded in sucking out the venom from the Tories and absorbing it himself. Who could have predicted that?
Nice one Dave!0 -
Alanbrooke
Luvvie land as you well know moves up to Edinburgh for most of August.
How are the tractor boys? Still trying to squeeze that fourth Conservative Club into the main street?0 -
Roger - before we fall out again, may I just say - really nice to see your return to PB. ; )Roger said:Alanbrooke
Luvvie land as you well know moves up to Edinburgh for most of August.
How are the tractor boys? Still trying to squeeze that fourth Conservative Club into the main street?0 -
Alanbrooke. Re Prince Albert. I was going to send you a link but knowing how Vanilla chooses to display even the most discreet links in 48 sheet I thought better of it0
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Especially good question in the middle of the UKIP hate-fest the bien-pensant lefty press has been trying to generate all year.David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
And not looking good for that nice Mr Miliband at all, at all. 2% lead, personally despised, party despised, untrusted on economy, 8 months to go. I worry about it a lot.
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The tories being not toxic is a state of affairs we haven't allowed ourselves to dream of.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories no longer being toxic is major news.Alanbrooke said:That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.0 -
Fewer people view Farage unfavourably than do UKIP in general (by one point). From that perspective he is certainly not a drag on the party.SandyRentool said:The Kipper numbers suggest that Mr Farage is a bit of a drag on his party. Should he hand over to Paul Nuttall to give UKIP a boost?
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Well as you know this time of the year it's wall to wall Wurzels.Roger said:Alanbrooke
Luvvie land as you well know moves up to Edinburgh for most of August.
How are the tractor boys? Still trying to squeeze that fourth Conservative Club into the main street?
We have our own festivals including Ludlow blackshirt solidarity week, Bewdley Bernard Manning commemoration and ANL fisting in Southam. It's a packed programme.0 -
Hope all is going well with you @Ishmael_X.Ishmael_X said:
Especially good question in the middle of the UKIP hate-fest the bien-pensant lefty press has been trying to generate all year.David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
And not looking good for that nice Mr Miliband at all, at all. 2% lead, personally despised, party despised, untrusted on economy, 8 months to go. I worry about it a lot.
And yep, are people coming to their senses? Thing is, the closeness of the Kippers to the Cons on several of the questions perplexes me a bit.0 -
Indeed not.Quirks are for buirks and the trend is your friend.felix said:
Ah the old 'dismissal of the polling I don't like' syndrome emergesvolcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
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Is Eck throwing Tunnock's Tea Cakes at the telly watching Dr Who?0
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kle4 said:
For some reason, the specific compromises, shifts in position, u-turns and falsities the LDs have engaged in since 2010 have saddled them with the label of being apparently the only political party to ever engage in such behaviour. Strongly Labour people see them as traitors, strongly Tory people see them as deceitful undermining 'allies' and most of the rest see them as ineffective and wishy washy I would guess.David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.kle4 said:If the Tories are losing the toxicity of their brand, it would be remarkable, but I cannot see it lasting. I've never come across quite the same level of hatred for Labour that many people have for the Tories, despite living in a Tory heartland. Still, anything is possible I suppose, worth keeping an eye on. Cameron no longer polling better than his party?
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.0 -
All looking good so far, thank you.TOPPING said:
Hope all is going well with you @Ishmael_X.Ishmael_X said:
Especially good question in the middle of the UKIP hate-fest the bien-pensant lefty press has been trying to generate all year.David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
And not looking good for that nice Mr Miliband at all, at all. 2% lead, personally despised, party despised, untrusted on economy, 8 months to go. I worry about it a lot.
And yep, are people coming to their senses? Thing is, the closeness of the Kippers to the Cons on several of the questions perplexes me a bit.
The thing is, every GE since and not including 1979, except 1992, has been a foregone conclusion. This time everything is up for grabs, to the extent that I am not sure it is rational to place any bet on the outcome at all. The complacency of the Kinnockariat just astonishes me.
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Dear Peter the Punter,
I've been having problems with Vanilla the last couple of days, but I sent you a PM via our profiles before your deadline accepting your £20 Fisher bet. If you're still willing to honour the terms I'm still willing to take you up it. Naturally, this is void if more polls come out, so please reply soon.
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Indeed so, and here's a trend for you: 9 11 11 9 9 8 7 6 5 6 7 6 6 6 4 4 3 4 3 3volcanopete said:
Indeed not.Quirks are for buirks and the trend is your friend.felix said:
Ah the old 'dismissal of the polling I don't like' syndrome emergesvolcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
I bet you love that one.
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What would concern me about the favourability figures if I were either Labour or Conservative is that in both the case of the Libdems and UKIP their favourability figures are higher than their actual vote share which suggests that both have audiences which whilst not yet convinced to vote for them will give them a favourable hearing. There is room for both UKIP and the Libdems to improve their positions if they can tap into that additional favourability. For Labour and the Conservatives (to a lesser extent) the opposite applies0
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Simon
" Roger - before we fall out again, may I just say - really nice to see your return to PB. ; )"
Thank you!
To return the compliment and in the absence of Tim can I suggest this candid action man photo could be the reason for Dave's spiralling rating?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/31/1406786454335_wps_9_PIC_APEX_22_08_2013_Prime.jpg0 -
UKIP was always going to be a bit of a detox for the Tories.
The old line that the Tories are evil ratbags doesn't work so well when you also add that UKIP are even worse. It just smacks of left-wingers branding anyone who disagrees with them as bad people.
Most amusing the most Lib Dems are seen as the least favourable despite making hang wringing an art form.0 -
My sister is a 'social and religious' conservative. She is a regular churchgoer and actually believes in God as well. When her son got married (to a woman I should add) there were 3 gay people at his wedding. She gets on with them quite well and is not horrified at the issue of gay partnership or marriage.Ninoinoz said:kle4 said:
For some reason, the specific compromises, shifts in position, u-turns and falsities the LDs have engaged in since 2010 have saddled them with the label of being apparently the only political party to ever engage in such behaviour. Strongly Labour people see them as traitors, strongly Tory people see them as deceitful undermining 'allies' and most of the rest see them as ineffective and wishy washy I would guess.David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.kle4 said:If the Tories are losing the toxicity of their brand, it would be remarkable, but I cannot see it lasting. I've never come across quite the same level of hatred for Labour that many people have for the Tories, despite living in a Tory heartland. Still, anything is possible I suppose, worth keeping an eye on. Cameron no longer polling better than his party?
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.
Her experience and the polling which show clear majorities in favour of gay marriage in all 4 parties tells me that your analysis 'is not only not right, it is not even wrong'.0 -
I hate that photo, mostly because it makes me realize I look very similar in build, but am 20 years younger.Roger said:Simon
" Roger - before we fall out again, may I just say - really nice to see your return to PB. ; )"
Thank you!
To return the compliment and in the absence of Tim can I suggest this candid action man photo could be the reason for Dave's spiralling rating?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/31/1406786454335_wps_9_PIC_APEX_22_08_2013_Prime.jpg
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Teresa May did not call her own party 'nasty'.volcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
There was me thinking that rewriting history was something only 'The Party' did.
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Given much of the Tory toxicity is to do with them being the party of the rich elite and their being 'Toffs' and given UKIP are increasingly a working class party (and their support proves that) I'd say you have little chance of attempting to paint UKIP with the same tainted brush that the Tories are painted with.CopperSulphate said:UKIP was always going to be a bit of a detox for the Tories.
The old line that the Tories are evil ratbags doesn't work so well when you also add that UKIP are even worse. It just smacks of left-wingers branding anyone who disagrees with them as bad people.
Most amusing the most Lib Dems are seen as the least favourable despite making hang wringing an art form.
Its notable that Labour have been far more circumspect in their attacks on UKIP than they are on the 'Same Old' Tories...0 -
Being in Coalition with Labour for two Parliamentary terms didn't do the Libdems much good at Holyrood.felix said:
One thing that all the polls show is that coalitions are very bad for the LDs and I think they can only blame themselves for that. Almost from the start they have tried to be the opposition within the government - it's a pretty lousy message to give.
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Three hours till this week's Sunil on Sunday publishes its ELBOWGIN1138 said:Champagne's staying on ice for now...
@TheScreamingEagles
"Don't Fail Me Again... Mr Eagles"!
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I believe you're confusing me with a similarly named poster and certainly I haven't received any message from you on my Vanilla profile page - perhaps you sent it to PtP's profile in error.Quincel said:Dear Peter the Punter,
I've been having problems with Vanilla the last couple of days, but I sent you a PM via our profiles before your deadline accepting your £20 Fisher bet. If you're still willing to honour the terms I'm still willing to take you up it. Naturally, this is void if more polls come out, so please reply soon.
Q
Not sure why you didn't reply on the thread last night, but in light of this evening's ComRes poll, clearly the odds have moved against me and therefore I wouldn't now wish to procced, but thanks for your interest.0 -
It may be Comedy results but if it quietens the overconfidence of the left on here, its a welcome poll.
Its still all to play for.
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how are the Lib Dem's doing? << innocent face>>TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories no longer being toxic is major news.Alanbrooke said:That's it ?
as Mrs Brooke might say.0 -
@AnasSarwar: Every nationalist loves Scotland but not everyone who loves Scotland is a nationalist. New #LabourNo poster #indyref http://t.co/SzG1JNOilz0
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Andrew Marr's "Great Scots" on BBC2 right now!Scott_P said:@AnasSarwar: Every nationalist loves Scotland but not everyone who loves Scotland is a nationalist. New #LabourNo poster #indyref http://t.co/SzG1JNOilz
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Holyrood Election 1999 LDs constituency vote 14.15%fitalass said:Being in Coalition with Labour for two Parliamentary terms didn't do the Libdems much good at Holyrood.
Holyrood Election 2003 LDs constituency vote 15.3%
Holyrood Election 2007 LDs constituency vote 16.2%
Holyrood Election 2011 LDs constituency vote 7.9%
Let's take a wild guess at which coalition screwed the LDs.
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UKIP have certainly knocked the Conservatives off the top spot as public enemy No1 to many on the left.CopperSulphate said:
UKIP was always going to be a bit of a detox for the Tories.
The old line that the Tories are evil ratbags doesn't work so well when you also add that UKIP are even worse. It just smacks of left-wingers branding anyone who disagrees with them as bad people.
Most amusing the most Lib Dems are seen as the least favourable despite making hang wringing an art form.0 -
@labourpress: Ed Balls says Scotland would have to join the euro as 'least bad' option http://gu.com/p/4xxyd/tw via @guardian0
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Will The Sunil be able to find it's ELBOW from JackW's ARSE?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Three hours till this week's Sunil on Sunday publishes its ELBOWGIN1138 said:Champagne's staying on ice for now...
@TheScreamingEagles
"Don't Fail Me Again... Mr Eagles"!
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Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Anas Sawar for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particularly glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.Scott_P said:@AnasSarwar: Every nationalist loves Scotland but not everyone who loves Scotland is a nationalist. New #LabourNo poster #indyref http://t.co/SzG1JNOilz
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Right, that's it.Roger said:Simon
" Roger - before we fall out again, may I just say - really nice to see your return to PB. ; )"
Thank you!
To return the compliment and in the absence of Tim can I suggest this candid action man photo could be the reason for Dave's spiralling rating?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/31/1406786454335_wps_9_PIC_APEX_22_08_2013_Prime.jpg
I said I would never vote for my local Tory MP because he was invisible in the constituency. Then he announced he was retiring, giving me the chance to vote Tory again.
But that picture's made my mind up. I am never ever voting for a Cameron-led Conservative party.
I mean, how could I ever vote for a party led by a man who does not have a single tuft, nay, a single hair, on his chest? The country needs to be run by virile men with acres of good, hearty chest hair, not these poncy-boys who scarcely seem to have passed puberty. I mean, it would be like voting for a woman, for Christ's sake...
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I've always said Alex is secretly planning to join the Euro. It's the only thing that makes sense.Scott_P said:@labourpress: Ed Balls says Scotland would have to join the euro as 'least bad' option http://gu.com/p/4xxyd/tw via @guardian
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Uniondivvie
"Holyrood Election 1999 LDs constituency vote 14.15%
Holyrood Election 2003 LDs constituency vote 15.3%
Holyrood Election 2007 LDs constituency vote 16.2%
Holyrood Election 2011 LDs constituency vote 7.9%
Let's take a wild guess at which coalition screwed the LDs."
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Interesting that now all the party leaders, including Salmond, have lower ratings than their parties. However, while for Cameron, Farage, Clegg and Salmond that difference is in single figures, Miliband has a rating 18% less than Labour.0
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Well, JackW will certainly be able to discern his ARSE from our ELBOW!GIN1138 said:
Will The Sunil be able to find it's ELBOW from JackW's ARSE?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Three hours till this week's Sunil on Sunday publishes its ELBOWGIN1138 said:Champagne's staying on ice for now...
@TheScreamingEagles
"Don't Fail Me Again... Mr Eagles"!0 -
Yeah, amazing how UKIP's rise 'coincided' with being the only party that opposed gay marriage.Flightpath said:
My sister is a 'social and religious' conservative. She is a regular churchgoer and actually believes in God as well. When her son got married (to a woman I should add) there were 3 gay people at his wedding. She gets on with them quite well and is not horrified at the issue of gay partnership or marriage.Ninoinoz said:kle4 said:David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.kle4 said:I
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.
Her experience and the polling which show clear majorities in favour of gay marriage in all 4 parties tells me that your analysis 'is not only not right, it is not even wrong'.
Equally amazing how such a 'vote-winner' led directly to a slump in Conservative ratings. And a mass exodus from that party.
Also, adding belief in God as an afterthought in your anecdote hardly suggests your sister is that much of a 'religious conservative'.
Congratulations to your nephew and his new wife, BTW.0 -
Is it worth staying up to Midnight for?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well, JackW will certainly be able to discern his ARSE from our ELBOW!GIN1138 said:
Will The Sunil be able to find it's ELBOW from JackW's ARSE?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Three hours till this week's Sunil on Sunday publishes its ELBOWGIN1138 said:Champagne's staying on ice for now...
@TheScreamingEagles
"Don't Fail Me Again... Mr Eagles"!
Bearing in mind I've already had one let-down this evening...
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Tbf the slump in Tory ratings was more to do with the terrible weather gay marriage caused rather than any disapproval of the policy itself.Ninoinoz said:
Yeah, amazing how UKIP's rise 'coincided' with being the only party that opposed gay marriage.Flightpath said:
My sister is a 'social and religious' conservative. She is a regular churchgoer and actually believes in God as well. When her son got married (to a woman I should add) there were 3 gay people at his wedding. She gets on with them quite well and is not horrified at the issue of gay partnership or marriage.Ninoinoz said:kle4 said:David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.kle4 said:I
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.
Her experience and the polling which show clear majorities in favour of gay marriage in all 4 parties tells me that your analysis 'is not only not right, it is not even wrong'.0 -
Nothing wrong with being hairyJosiasJessop said:
Right, that's it.Roger said:Simon
" Roger - before we fall out again, may I just say - really nice to see your return to PB. ; )"
Thank you!
To return the compliment and in the absence of Tim can I suggest this candid action man photo could be the reason for Dave's spiralling rating?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/31/1406786454335_wps_9_PIC_APEX_22_08_2013_Prime.jpg
I said I would never vote for my local Tory MP because he was invisible in the constituency. Then he announced he was retiring, giving me the chance to vote Tory again.
But that picture's made my mind up. I am never ever voting for a Cameron-led Conservative party.
I mean, how could I ever vote for a party led by a man who does not have a single tuft, nay, a single hair, on his chest? The country needs to be run by virile men with acres of good, hearty chest hair, not these poncy-boys who scarcely seem to have passed puberty. I mean, it would be like voting for a woman, for Christ's sake...
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Important Polling in The Sunday Times, and they've used a picture of Nick Clegg and his Missus in the article
WOMEN who have multiple sexual partners before tying the knot go on to have less happy marriages, researchers have found, while men can play the field without any evidence that it harms their contentment.
More than half (53%) of those wives who had only ever slept with their future husband felt highly satisfied in their marriage, but those who had embarked on other sexual relationships fared significantly worse.
The proportion dropped to 42% for those who had had premarital sex with two partners and plummeted to 22% for those with 10 or more.0 -
Being an "Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week", it is not a prediction, but we will publish changes among the four main parties from last week's ELBOW.GIN1138 said:
Is it worth staying up to Midnight for?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well, JackW will certainly be able to discern his ARSE from our ELBOW!GIN1138 said:
Will The Sunil be able to find it's ELBOW from JackW's ARSE?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Three hours till this week's Sunil on Sunday publishes its ELBOWGIN1138 said:Champagne's staying on ice for now...
@TheScreamingEagles
"Don't Fail Me Again... Mr Eagles"!
Bearing in mind I've already had one let-down this evening...0 -
This is the speech of a future leader.Ms May,who is a woman of deep insight, knew the Tory were the nasty party and said so.Can you prove the Tories aren't nasty?Flightpath said:
Teresa May did not call her own party 'nasty'.volcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
There was me thinking that rewriting history was something only 'The Party' did.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/oct/07/conservatives2002.conservatives10 -
The public dislikes being badly treated by the Tories, but they feel betrayal far more strongly.CopperSulphate said:UKIP was always going to be a bit of a detox for the Tories.
The old line that the Tories are evil ratbags doesn't work so well when you also add that UKIP are even worse. It just smacks of left-wingers branding anyone who disagrees with them as bad people.
Most amusing the most Lib Dems are seen as the least favourable despite making hang wringing an art form.
UKIP are yet to betray anyone - although somewhere within the manifesto "ripping up" process I think there may be issues for other parties to exploit.
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Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit, is it?volcanopete said:Ms May,who is a woman of deep insight, knew the Tory were the nasty party and said so.
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How does Southam feel about that????Alanbrooke said:
Well as you know this time of the year it's wall to wall Wurzels.Roger said:Alanbrooke
Luvvie land as you well know moves up to Edinburgh for most of August.
How are the tractor boys? Still trying to squeeze that fourth Conservative Club into the main street?
We have our own festivals including Ludlow blackshirt solidarity week, Bewdley Bernard Manning commemoration and ANL fisting in Southam. It's a packed programme.0 -
What she actually said.volcanopete said:
This is the speech of a future leader.Ms May,who is a woman of deep insight, knew the Tory were the nasty party and said so.Can you prove the Tories aren't nasty?Flightpath said:
Teresa May did not call her own party 'nasty'.volcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
There was me thinking that rewriting history was something only 'The Party' did.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/oct/07/conservatives2002.conservatives1
There's a lot we need to do in this party of ours. Our base is too narrow and so, occasionally, are our sympathies. You know what some people call us - the nasty party.
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OK attempt at a gag. 5/10Neil said:
Tbf the slump in Tory ratings was more to do with the terrible weather gay marriage caused rather than any disapproval of the policy itself.Ninoinoz said:
Yeah, amazing how UKIP's rise 'coincided' with being the only party that opposed gay marriage.Flightpath said:
My sister is a 'social and religious' conservative. She is a regular churchgoer and actually believes in God as well. When her son got married (to a woman I should add) there were 3 gay people at his wedding. She gets on with them quite well and is not horrified at the issue of gay partnership or marriage.Ninoinoz said:kle4 said:David_Evershed said:It would sem that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have replaced the Conservatives as the toxic party.
How is it that the cuddly, harmless, sandle wearing Lib Dems are seen as being so toxic?
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.kle4 said:I
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.
Her experience and the polling which show clear majorities in favour of gay marriage in all 4 parties tells me that your analysis 'is not only not right, it is not even wrong'.
A rather more serious point would have been its announcement in the same month as the 'Omnishambles Budget'. That certainly makes the causes of the fall in support difficult to disentangle.0 -
FYI - It is Theresa May.volcanopete said:Can't see how the Tories can be seen to be anything other than evil in one month is a statistical quirk.The only way forward for them to achieve this in the longer term is to be led by Ms Teresa May who isolated the problem when she called her own party nasty so she should be able to solve it.I can't see more Etonomics doing it.
Teresa May is a porn star.0 -
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m
Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.0 -
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.MikeK said:Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m
Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.0 -
Bloody effing hell, and they call Better Together, Project Fear
Tom Lubbock @tmlbk 2m
New peak of crazy: “@KingOfPipeBombs: So people are still going to #VoteNo in September ? #VoteYes #indyref
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Pamela Geller...MikeK said:Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m
Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.0 -
When is Cameron going to get a grip?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/23/observer-editorial-isis-cameron-foreign-policy0 -
She seems to have taken the banning to heart...corporeal said:
Pamela Geller...MikeK said:Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m
Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.0 -
The Scotsman - Brian Wilson: SNP’s NHS scaremongering won’t work0
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Why don't you tell us what you think the article says, and we will try to explain to you how you have misunderstood it.volcanopete said:When is Cameron going to get a grip?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/23/observer-editorial-isis-cameron-foreign-policy
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