Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Israeli children killer supporters bring racist attacks to British streets
That editorial is laughable. In the end its only recommendation is that Dave should deliver a lecture.
'What is missing is a narrative from Britain's political leader that is strong on clarity and firm on logic. He is in a position where he could contribute to – and even lead – a meaningful, nuanced and robust discussion about what current events in Iraq tell us about the delicate tribal, economic and religious issues at play and what part Britain played in that narrative over the last 10 years.'
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Pamela Geller...
She seems to have taken the banning to heart...
I took a glance back through her blog, when some Jewish organisations opposed her coming to speak (supportively) at an EDL rally she compared them to German Jews co-operating with the Nazis.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Pamela Geller...
She seems to have taken the banning to heart...
I took a glance back through her blog, when some Jewish organisations opposed her coming to speak (supportively) at an EDL rally she compared them to German Jews co-operating with the Nazis.
Consider this a PB intervention.
You are not allowed to read her website ever again, it will rot your brain.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Israeli children killer supporters bring racist attacks to British streets
That statement is neither worthy of you nor of PB.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Israeli children killer supporters bring racist attacks to British streets
That statement is neither worthy of you nor of PB.
I on the other hand was not surprised by Mark's comment.
He has made them before and is certainly in the right party.
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 23/08/2014 21:40 Ukip on 18% (+1) in latest ComRes/Indy on Sunday. The summer crash that many predicted has not arrived ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/… #Ukip
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Israeli children killer supporters bring racist attacks to British streets
That statement is neither worthy of you nor of PB.
I on the other hand was not surprised by Mark's comment.
He has made them before and is certainly in the right party.
You mean he is an anti-semitic piece of scum? So now we know who's behind the gentlemanly facade.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 23/08/2014 21:40 Ukip on 18% (+1) in latest ComRes/Indy on Sunday. The summer crash that many predicted has not arrived ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/… #Ukip
Did anyone expect a summer crash (bar maybe Dan Hodges)? I thought the general thinking was more that they would crash closer to the election, when people started seriously thinking about who they wanted in government.
That editorial is laughable. In the end its only recommendation is that Dave should deliver a lecture.
'What is missing is a narrative from Britain's political leader that is strong on clarity and firm on logic. He is in a position where he could contribute to – and even lead – a meaningful, nuanced and robust discussion about what current events in Iraq tell us about the delicate tribal, economic and religious issues at play and what part Britain played in that narrative over the last 10 years.'
When Libya kicked off in 2011 lots of left wingers, both politicians and journalists, were ranting about government inaction and predicting a hostage crisis. In reality MI6 and UK special forces were already in Libya, and very successfully rounded up British citizens, and safely got them out of the country. Some of them had to leave via Hercules aircraft that landed on airfields our soldiers secured in the desert. The government kept shtum while all this was happening.
I suspect that the UK is very much involved in taking action against ISIS now, for obvious reasons, but we won't know about it until it's all over.
The government needs no advice from the likes of the Observer.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
Let's take a wild guess at which coalition screwed the LDs."
Bringing facts into the discussion is pretty low
Suggest you check the percentage drop in Edinburgh. LibDems had run a disastrous coallition with the SNP in Edinburgh City Council which led to a virtual wipe out at both Council and Holyrood Edinburgh constituencies.
Then came the Westminster Coallition Factor with many a broken election promise. They may have taken a spanking in 2011, 2015 should see the remains buried.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
TSE - Am I right in thinking that The Sunday Times' YouGov poll details are unlikely to be released until 6am tomorrow, i.e. these won't feature in the newspaper's online version which should appear from around midnight?
TSE - Am I right in thinking that The Sunday Times' YouGov poll details are unlikely to be released until 6am tomorrow, i.e. these won't feature in the newspaper's online version which should appear from around midnight?
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 23/08/2014 21:40 Ukip on 18% (+1) in latest ComRes/Indy on Sunday. The summer crash that many predicted has not arrived ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/… #Ukip
Did anyone expect a summer crash (bar maybe Dan Hodges)? I thought the general thinking was more that they would crash closer to the election, when people started seriously thinking about who they wanted in government.
Lots of people on here said they'd crash after the euros, but as no one ever admits to making a wrong call, they probably won't fess up.
Ukip seem to better when they're in the news, be it good or bad press, so I wouldn't expect a downturn in the run up to the election myself, but maybe
TSE - Am I right in thinking that The Sunday Times' YouGov poll details are unlikely to be released until 6am tomorrow, i.e. these won't feature in the newspaper's online version which should appear from around midnight?
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 23/08/2014 21:40 Ukip on 18% (+1) in latest ComRes/Indy on Sunday. The summer crash that many predicted has not arrived ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/… #Ukip
Did anyone expect a summer crash (bar maybe Dan Hodges)? I thought the general thinking was more that they would crash closer to the election, when people started seriously thinking about who they wanted in government.
Matthew Goodwin once told me off for using a single data point to make a point.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Every day that passes the EDL look more and more like the voice of reason, and don't forget it was Griffin that exposed the grooming gangs.
Obviously I will have to go into the witness protection programmer after that statement but it is hard to argue with.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
You mean to you, she is deranged because she doesn't want a Muslim takeover of the West: is that your objection? I'm no supporter of the EDL but they are right that Islamism must be crushed. If not, Europe will enter a dark age indeed.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Every day that passes the EDL look more and more like the voice of reason, and don't forget it was Griffin that exposed the grooming gangs.
Obviously I will have to go into the witness protection programmer after that statement but it is hard to argue with.
No, please keep on saying the EDL are the voice of reason, it has been the best laugh I've had in ages.
EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report
Is it possible to bet on no single party reaching 33?
Such a bet is looking increasingly attractive.
You can take it as a given that if UKIP reach 25%, not an unlikely feat, then no party will reach 33% unless there is a Black Swan event, such as a dire national emergency that takes precedent over every thing else.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
You mean to you, she is deranged because she doesn't want a Muslim takeover of the West: is that your objection? I'm no supporter of the EDL but they are right that Islamism must be crushed. If not, Europe will enter a dark age indeed.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Every day that passes the EDL look more and more like the voice of reason, and don't forget it was Griffin that exposed the grooming gangs.
Obviously I will have to go into the witness protection programmer after that statement but it is hard to argue with.
PB peeps play the man not the ball, so you had probably best book into that programme
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.
My sister is a 'social and religious' conservative. She is a regular churchgoer and actually believes in God as well. When her son got married (to a woman I should add) there were 3 gay people at his wedding. She gets on with them quite well and is not horrified at the issue of gay partnership or marriage. Her experience and the polling which show clear majorities in favour of gay marriage in all 4 parties tells me that your analysis 'is not only not right, it is not even wrong'.
Yeah, amazing how UKIP's rise 'coincided' with being the only party that opposed gay marriage.
Equally amazing how such a 'vote-winner' led directly to a slump in Conservative ratings. And a mass exodus from that party.
Also, adding belief in God as an afterthought in your anecdote hardly suggests your sister is that much of a 'religious conservative'.
Congratulations to your nephew and his new wife, BTW.
You have less sensible to say in reply than originally. Amazing.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Every day that passes the EDL look more and more like the voice of reason, and don't forget it was Griffin that exposed the grooming gangs.
Obviously I will have to go into the witness protection programmer after that statement but it is hard to argue with.
No, please keep on saying the EDL are the voice of reason, it has been the best laugh I've had in ages.
EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report
Of course, I'm slightly biased, the EDL called me a terrorist c*nt, and my wife a fucking whore for marrying a monkey.
But keep on telling me they are the voice of reason.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer.
Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 42m Jewish man arrested after chasing off pro-Hamas Jew haters in London: Jewish persecution in the UK. The Brits ... http://bit.ly/YO9cLC
British cops in magnificent form tonight.
Well done for linking to Pamela Geller, a woman banned from this country for her views, the SPLC have damned her as well.
Well I certainly prefer Pamela Geller to Khadijah Dare.
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
You are pathetic in your defence of the indefencible. Geller's not going to kill anybody, while that is Dare's proclaimed wish.
I'm not defending anyone, I've said both are terrible people.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Every day that passes the EDL look more and more like the voice of reason, and don't forget it was Griffin that exposed the grooming gangs.
Obviously I will have to go into the witness protection programmer after that statement but it is hard to argue with.
No, please keep on saying the EDL are the voice of reason, it has been the best laugh I've had in ages.
EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report
Of course, I'm slightly biased, the EDL called me a terrorist c*nt, and my wife a fucking whore for marrying a monkey.
But keep on telling me they are the voice of reason.
But surely, Mr. Eagles, you welcome religious and ethnic minorities being welcomed into political organisations?
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
Is it possible to bet on no single party reaching 33?
Such a bet is looking increasingly attractive.
You can take it as a given that if UKIP reach 25%, not an unlikely feat, then no party will reach 33% unless there is a Black Swan event, such as a dire national emergency that takes precedent over every thing else.
Do you really think 25% is possible for the purples? Seems a tall order to me.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
But surely, Mr. Eagles, you welcome religious and ethnic minorities being welcomed into political organisations?
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
First point, not really.
Second point yes, criminality needs to be exposed, I wish he had also focussed on the abuse of Catholic Church's systematic abuse of children.
Congratulations, sir, it appears you have isolated and identified the toxin.
For the LibDems, it's running an election campaign to the left of Labour Party, but ending up in coalition with the Conservative Party.
For the Tories, it's throwing their erstwhile friends under buses. Current examples: their entire membership - 'swivel-eyed', social and religious conservatives - 'bigots', Eurosceptics (no Lisbon referendum), patriots - 'racists' and, finally, the providers of annuities (largest industry of its kind in the World). Remember, it was the callous destruction of mortgagees and small businessmen/self-employed under Major that gave the Tories the epithet in the first place.
Cameron de-toxifying the Conservatives? He seems to have concentrated it with his chumocracy and his reducing the membership to laughable numbers.
Personally, I think it's to do with their attending boarding schools.
My sister is a 'social and religious' conservative. She is a regular churchgoer and actually believes in God as well. When her son got married (to a woman I should add) there were 3 gay people at his wedding. She gets on with them quite well and is not horrified at the issue of gay partnership or marriage. Her experience and the polling which show clear majorities in favour of gay marriage in all 4 parties tells me that your analysis 'is not only not right, it is not even wrong'.
Yeah, amazing how UKIP's rise 'coincided' with being the only party that opposed gay marriage.
Equally amazing how such a 'vote-winner' led directly to a slump in Conservative ratings. And a mass exodus from that party.
Also, adding belief in God as an afterthought in your anecdote hardly suggests your sister is that much of a 'religious conservative'.
Congratulations to your nephew and his new wife, BTW.
You have less sensible to say in reply than originally. Amazing.
A nice prepared smartarse response devoid of any counter-arguments, but rendered obviously stupid by your ignoring my wedding congratulation to your nephew.
But, what did I expect from someone ignoring the fundamental meaning of matrimony, literally 'mother-making'.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
One thing that all the polls show is that coalitions are very bad for the LDs and I think they can only blame themselves for that. Almost from the start they have tried to be the opposition within the government - it's a pretty lousy message to give.
You are correct. And yet their whole message was built around coalitions. FWIW I think they look to the continent too much where there are countries with smaller parties which inevitavbly are forced into coalitions. In reality the two main parties here, being broad based, are themselves coalitions. On the verge of being a big party themselves the LDs could not keep its own internal coalition together.
Why does "Islamism" need to be crushed? Violent fundamentalism should be crushed. And non violent fundamentalism reasoned against in any religion or politics.
But surely, Mr. Eagles, you welcome religious and ethnic minorities being welcomed into political organisations?
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
First point, not really.
Second point yes, criminality needs to be exposed, I wish he had also focussed on the abuse of Catholic Church's systematic abuse of children.
First point, what the f*ck are you doing on this site then.
Second point, funny you don't mention the systematic child rape at the BBC, when that organisation was specifically mentioned in my reply.
But surely, Mr. Eagles, you welcome religious and ethnic minorities being welcomed into political organisations?
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
First point, not really.
Second point yes, criminality needs to be exposed, I wish he had also focussed on the abuse of Catholic Church's systematic abuse of children.
First point, what the f*ck are you doing on this site then.
Second point, funny you don't mention the systematic child rape at the BBC, when that organisation was specifically mentioned in my reply.
Too many of your gay friends work there?
Actually, thinking about it my friends who do work for the BBC are heterosexuals.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
Allen West @AllenWest 2h Hey liberals! Still think we can coexist with Hamas? This is how they show their "humanitarian" side: http://bit.ly/1trJSGz #tcot
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
Nothing there that any Kipper was not already aware of, UKIP are the only party that does not allow former BNP members to join their party.
What is your point?
Anyone who thinks the EDL is the voice reason is beyond redemption.
Ok I will concede that voice of reason was a bad terminology and I apologise, I should have expressed myself better.
Still not sure how to put it, other than they are correct in saying that Islamism has to be crushed, or would you prefer to live under Sharia law.
And loathsome as Griffin is he exposed the grooming gangs, was that a bad thing?
I do not wish to live under Sharia Law, nor do I wish to live under the EDL, Nick Griffin or UKIP.
As Andy JS says we are one of the most tolerant societies in the world, but these people have seriously abused our hospitality. What do you propose we do about the fact we have these people among us?
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
That editorial is laughable. In the end its only recommendation is that Dave should deliver a lecture.
'What is missing is a narrative from Britain's political leader that is strong on clarity and firm on logic. He is in a position where he could contribute to – and even lead – a meaningful, nuanced and robust discussion about what current events in Iraq tell us about the delicate tribal, economic and religious issues at play and what part Britain played in that narrative over the last 10 years.'
When Libya kicked off in 2011 lots of left wingers, both politicians and journalists, were ranting about government inaction and predicting a hostage crisis. In reality MI6 and UK special forces were already in Libya, and very successfully rounded up British citizens, and safely got them out of the country. Some of them had to leave via Hercules aircraft that landed on airfields our soldiers secured in the desert. The government kept shtum while all this was happening.
I suspect that the UK is very much involved in taking action against ISIS now, for obvious reasons, but we won't know about it until it's all over.
The government needs no advice from the likes of the Observer.
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But surely, Mr. Eagles, you welcome religious and ethnic minorities being welcomed into political organisations?
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
First point, not really.
Second point yes, criminality needs to be exposed, I wish he had also focussed on the abuse of Catholic Church's systematic abuse of children.
First point, what the f*ck are you doing on this site then.
Second point, funny you don't mention the systematic child rape at the BBC, when that organisation was specifically mentioned in my reply.
Too many of your gay friends work there?
Actually, thinking about it my friends who do work for the BBC are heterosexuals.
So, you are quite happy for the BBC to continue in existence in order to protect your friends' careers despite:
1.Having had its employees rape children on its premises. 2.Having failed to put a stop to its abuse of children. 3.Controlling a vast amount of UK news output but failing to report known cases of child abuse by its employees. 4.Failing to compensate its victims. 5.Being an unelected public body raising taxes from the populace. 6.Covering up the grooming of White girls by Asian Muslims.
And may I point out that this all happened in this country.
Secondly, if you aren't keen on minorities joining political organisations, perhaps you can show me you amicus curiae brief when the BNP was prosecuted for exactly this reason.
I think that would equal your 'best laugh I've had in ages' and quite possibly top it.
@nigel4england You appear to want Islamism crushed? What you should be wanting is violent fundamentalism defeated. To single out a religious or political grouping, and vilify everyone in that group shows the worst kind of "ism" there is. Them-ism, beloved by all dictators and idiots alike.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
Nothing there that any Kipper was not already aware of, UKIP are the only party that does not allow former BNP members to join their party.
What is your point?
Anyone who thinks the EDL is the voice reason is beyond redemption.
Ok I will concede that voice of reason was a bad terminology and I apologise, I should have expressed myself better.
Still not sure how to put it, other than they are correct in saying that Islamism has to be crushed, or would you prefer to live under Sharia law.
And loathsome as Griffin is he exposed the grooming gangs, was that a bad thing?
I do not wish to live under Sharia Law, nor do I wish to live under the EDL, Nick Griffin or UKIP.
Yet you would be prepared to live under Super Ed "to save the Union"?
The UK is brilliant, it deserves to be saved.
See that's what I don't understand. On one hand you say the UK is brilliant etc but on the other when a group like the EDL is demonstrating against a violent group that is trying by violent means to change the fundamental way of life in the UK you object.
Like SeanT I believe the day of reckoning is coming and some of you need to decide which side you are on.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
@nigel4england You appear to want Islamism crushed? What you should be wanting is violent fundamentalism defeated. To single out a religious or political grouping, and vilify everyone in that group shows the worst kind of "ism" there is. Them-ism, beloved by all dictators and idiots alike.
Sheer ignorance and professional hand wringing, beloved by those who watch their country overrun.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
Nothing there that any Kipper was not already aware of, UKIP are the only party that does not allow former BNP members to join their party.
What is your point?
Anyone who thinks the EDL is the voice reason is beyond redemption.
Ok I will concede that voice of reason was a bad terminology and I apologise, I should have expressed myself better.
Still not sure how to put it, other than they are correct in saying that Islamism has to be crushed, or would you prefer to live under Sharia law.
And loathsome as Griffin is he exposed the grooming gangs, was that a bad thing?
I do not wish to live under Sharia Law, nor do I wish to live under the EDL, Nick Griffin or UKIP.
Yet you would be prepared to live under Super Ed "to save the Union"?
The UK is brilliant, it deserves to be saved.
See that's what I don't understand. On one hand you say the UK is brilliant etc but on the other when a group like the EDL is demonstrating against a violent group that is trying by violent means to change the fundamental way of life in the UK you object.
Like SeanT I believe the day of reckoning is coming and some of you need to decide which side you are on.
Who is "some of you"?
I've shown my love for this country, I've never had a violent moment in my life, towards anyone.
I'm not on the side of any violent group, such as the EDL or supporters of the violent group changing the fundamental way of the UK.
But like the EDL, I suspect you don't like Muslims full stop.
But surely, Mr. Eagles, you welcome religious and ethnic minorities being welcomed into political organisations?
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
First point, not really.
Second point yes, criminality needs to be exposed, I wish he had also focussed on the abuse of Catholic Church's systematic abuse of children.
First point, what the f*ck are you doing on this site then.
Second point, funny you don't mention the systematic child rape at the BBC, when that organisation was specifically mentioned in my reply.
Too many of your gay friends work there?
Actually, thinking about it my friends who do work for the BBC are heterosexuals.
So, you are quite happy for the BBC to continue in existence in order to protect your friends' careers despite:
1.Having had its employees rape children on its premises. 2.Having failed to put a stop to its abuse of children. 3.Controlling a vast amount of UK news output but failing to report known cases of child abuse by its employees. 4.Failing to compensate its victims. 5.Being an unelected public body raising taxes from the populace. 6.Covering up the grooming of White girls by Asian Muslims.
And may I point out that this all happened in this country.
Secondly, if you aren't keen on minorities joining political organisations, perhaps you can show me you amicus curiae brief when the BNP was prosecuted for exactly this reason.
I think that would equal your 'best laugh I've had in ages' and quite possibly top it.
Nope, I'm quite in favour of seeing the scope of the BBC existence changed fundamentally, that's from knowing the radio sector quite well.
The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world. The Netherlands might be slightly ahead of us.
Citation needed? About average in my view, though much less so than it used to be and certainly less than France and Russia. I'd give the Americans credit for being a bit ahead of us, and the Germans too - they have their racists but the depth of loathing for racism among most people is much greater, because of the national experience of it.
By the way, I think we need to make a distinction between people who say they'd like to have sharia law or an Islamic state, and people who attempt violence or intimidation. The former is permissible (freedom of opinion and all that), the latter not. At present I can't see why this requires a new law of any kind, and I'm opposed to "crushing" any peacefully-expressed opinion. Too much of the "we had to destroy freedom in order to save it" thinking about that.
That editorial is laughable. In the end its only recommendation is that Dave should deliver a lecture.
'What is missing is a narrative from Britain's political leader that is strong on clarity and firm on logic. He is in a position where he could contribute to – and even lead – a meaningful, nuanced and robust discussion about what current events in Iraq tell us about the delicate tribal, economic and religious issues at play and what part Britain played in that narrative over the last 10 years.'
When Libya kicked off in 2011 lots of left wingers, both politicians and journalists, were ranting about government inaction and predicting a hostage crisis. In reality MI6 and UK special forces were already in Libya, and very successfully rounded up British citizens, and safely got them out of the country. Some of them had to leave via Hercules aircraft that landed on airfields our soldiers secured in the desert. The government kept shtum while all this was happening.
I suspect that the UK is very much involved in taking action against ISIS now, for obvious reasons, but we won't know about it until it's all over.
The government needs no advice from the likes of the Observer.
nigel4england "Sheer ignorance and professional hand wringing, beloved by those who watch their country overrun. " The funny thing about "fundamentalism" is that a certain percentage of the population decides to take an equally fundamentalist stance in opposition to it, and never realises the irony, or indeed the insanity of it.
The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world. The Netherlands might be slightly ahead of us.
Citation needed? About average in my view, though much less so than it used to be and certainly less than France and Russia. I'd give the Americans credit for being a bit ahead of us, and the Germans too - they have their racists but the depth of loathing for racism among most people is much greater, because of the national experience of it.
By the way, I think we need to make a distinction between people who say they'd like to have sharia law or an Islamic state, and people who attempt violence or intimidation. The former is permissible (freedom of opinion and all that), the latter not. At present I can't see why this requires a new law of any kind, and I'm opposed to "crushing" any peacefully-expressed opinion. Too much of the "we had to destroy freedom in order to save it" thinking about that.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
Nothing there that any Kipper was not already aware of, UKIP are the only party that does not allow former BNP members to join their party.
What is your point?
Anyone who thinks the EDL is the voice reason is beyond redemption.
Ok I will concede that voice of reason was a bad terminology and I apologise, I should have expressed myself better.
Still not sure how to put it, other than they are correct in saying that Islamism has to be crushed, or would you prefer to live under Sharia law.
And loathsome as Griffin is he exposed the grooming gangs, was that a bad thing?
I do not wish to live under Sharia Law, nor do I wish to live under the EDL, Nick Griffin or UKIP.
Yet you would be prepared to live under Super Ed "to save the Union"?
The UK is brilliant, it deserves to be saved.
See that's what I don't understand. On one hand you say the UK is brilliant etc but on the other when a group like the EDL is demonstrating against a violent group that is trying by violent means to change the fundamental way of life in the UK you object.
Like SeanT I believe the day of reckoning is coming and some of you need to decide which side you are on.
Who is "some of you"?
I've shown my love for this country, I've never had a violent moment in my life, towards anyone.
I'm not on the side of any violent group, such as the EDL or supporters of the violent group changing the fundamental way of the UK.
But like the EDL, I suspect you don't like Muslims full stop.
I don't like the way they are trying to force change in this country, that much is true. And there have been many reports in the media that the imams know who the radicals are but have done nothing/are powerless to stop them.
If they did do something about it I would have much more respect, can you tell me why this is not happening?
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
Sunil I expect the Union to be saved on balance, but I also think it possible Cameron could still return to No 10 even with a convincing No. Labour presently leads in the Midlands and London, it is those 2 regions which will decide the next election, not Scotland
nigel4england "Sheer ignorance and professional hand wringing, beloved by those who watch their country overrun. " The funny thing about "fundamentalism" is that a certain percentage of the population decides to take an equally fundamentalist stance in opposition to it, and never realises the irony, or indeed the insanity of it.
So wanting to preserve the rule of law and way of life in the country I was born in and have lived all my life makes me a fundamentalist? Please explain that to me for I am a dull and simple lad.
The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world. The Netherlands might be slightly ahead of us.
Citation needed? About average in my view, though much less so than it used to be and certainly less than France and Russia. I'd give the Americans credit for being a bit ahead of us, and the Germans too - they have their racists but the depth of loathing for racism among most people is much greater, because of the national experience of it.
By the way, I think we need to make a distinction between people who say they'd like to have sharia law or an Islamic state, and people who attempt violence or intimidation. The former is permissible (freedom of opinion and all that), the latter not. At present I can't see why this requires a new law of any kind, and I'm opposed to "crushing" any peacefully-expressed opinion. Too much of the "we had to destroy freedom in order to save it" thinking about that.
I've been in every Scandinavian country except Norway in the last few months and, although they're nominally less racist than we are, I got the feeling it - ie. complete non-racism - was a bit of a fantasy as far as everyday interactions between European and non-European people were concerned.
But those are just my personal impressions. Not possible to give citations.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
To begin with I would not have anything to do with the HP, a totally ludicrous and hypocritical rag. And all these organizations attract mutters, as per the abuse you suffered.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
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'What is missing is a narrative from Britain's political leader that is strong on clarity and firm on logic. He is in a position where he could contribute to – and even lead – a meaningful, nuanced and robust discussion about what current events in Iraq tell us about the delicate tribal, economic and religious issues at play and what part Britain played in that narrative over the last 10 years.'
You are not allowed to read her website ever again, it will rot your brain.
He has made them before and is certainly in the right party.
It turns out they have a live feed of Israeli warnings of rocket attacks as a banner advert at the top of the page.
All quiet now, but perhaps this feeds Jewish fears.
http://www.ou.org/torah/parsha/rabbi-sacks-on-parsha/why_civilizations_die/
23/08/2014 21:40
Ukip on 18% (+1) in latest ComRes/Indy on Sunday. The summer crash that many predicted has not arrived ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/… #Ukip
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11049663/James-Foley-murder-British-woman-vows-to-become-first-female-to-behead-western-prisoner-in-Syria.html
Perhaps you could pay for a banner advert for this site with an audio feed?
The correct answer is that both Pamela Gellar and Khadijah Dare deserve only our opprobrium, and neither one of them should be preferred.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28916746
Who tipped off the BBC - Cliff or the coppers?
Ann Summers apologises after launching a range of underwear with the same name as terrorist group ISIS
Ann Summers said they named the ISIS lingerie range 'months' ago
The company said the range is named after the Egyptian fertility goddess Isis
Ann Summers said they are totally opposed to violence and terrorism
The Isis range features thongs, suspenders, bras and a babydoll
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2732768/Ann-Summers-apologises-launching-range-underwear-terrorist-group-ISIS.html
I suspect that the UK is very much involved in taking action against ISIS now, for obvious reasons, but we won't know about it until it's all over.
The government needs no advice from the likes of the Observer.
Then came the Westminster Coallition Factor with many a broken election promise. They may have taken a spanking in 2011, 2015 should see the remains buried.
Someone lacking your knowledge, won't know the danger of a deranged polemicist being able to whip others up into a frenzy, that leads to the death of others.
Deranged polemicist is the most charitable view of Pamela Gellar.
The fact, you're willing to defend Pamela Gellar, so beloved of the EDL says more about you, than I ever could.
Ukip seem to better when they're in the news, be it good or bad press, so I wouldn't expect a downturn in the run up to the election myself, but maybe
UKIP changes since May
ComRes Online Poll, UKIP down 1
ICM phone, UKIP down 5
Populus, UKIP down 3
YouGov, UKIP down 3.
Obviously I will have to go into the witness protection programmer after that statement but it is hard to argue with.
Such a bet is looking increasingly attractive.
is that your objection? I'm no supporter of the EDL but they are right that Islamism must be crushed. If not, Europe will enter a dark age indeed.
EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/23/edl-religious-groups-targeted-anti-islam_n_1907562.html
EDL Support Hardcore Anti-Semites in Manchester This Saturday
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2013/02/507093.html
Of course, I'm slightly biased, the EDL called me a terrorist c*nt, and my wife a fucking whore for marrying a monkey.
But keep on telling me they are the voice of reason.
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer.
Additionally, you must have nothing but praise for Nick Griffin's exposure of Asian, Northern, Muslim child abusers, especially after his persecution by the BBC and the authorities?
http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/2014/08/what-makes-a-19-year-old-student-nurse-join-ukip
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/16/UKIP-to-donate-dodge-donation-to-charity
Second point yes, criminality needs to be exposed, I wish he had also focussed on the abuse of Catholic Church's systematic abuse of children.
But, what did I expect from someone ignoring the fundamental meaning of matrimony, literally 'mother-making'.
What is your point?
FWIW I think they look to the continent too much where there are countries with smaller parties which inevitavbly are forced into coalitions. In reality the two main parties here, being broad based, are themselves coalitions. On the verge of being a big party themselves the LDs could not keep its own internal coalition together.
Violent fundamentalism should be crushed. And non violent fundamentalism reasoned against in any religion or politics.
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Second point, funny you don't mention the systematic child rape at the BBC, when that organisation was specifically mentioned in my reply.
Too many of your gay friends work there?
Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week (7 polls with Field-work 17th to 22nd August 2014):
Lab 37.2% (+1.0)
Con 33.4% (+0.3)
UKIP 12.8% (-0.3)
LibDem 8.6% (-0.2)
(brackets - changes from our inaugural ELBOW last Sunday 17th August)
Still not sure how to put it, other than they are correct in saying that Islamism has to be crushed, or would you prefer to live under Sharia law.
And loathsome as Griffin is he exposed the grooming gangs, was that a bad thing?
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Catholicism and Protestantism need crushed as well do they? Hinduism and Buddhism and every other "ism"?
Good night.
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Data weighted to ONS 2011, 55% of over 60s told us they would vote "no" 33% yes and 13% remain undecided. This is 65/37 in favour of "no".
Just those who do not wish to live within our society, the way we have lived for centuries in the British way of life. Is that too much to expect?
Daily Mail - SAS high-tech hunt for the killers of James Foley: 'Significant force' of UK elite troops on ground in Iraq
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1.Having had its employees rape children on its premises.
2.Having failed to put a stop to its abuse of children.
3.Controlling a vast amount of UK news output but failing to report known cases of child abuse by its employees.
4.Failing to compensate its victims.
5.Being an unelected public body raising taxes from the populace.
6.Covering up the grooming of White girls by Asian Muslims.
And may I point out that this all happened in this country.
Secondly, if you aren't keen on minorities joining political organisations, perhaps you can show me you amicus curiae brief when the BNP was prosecuted for exactly this reason.
I think that would equal your 'best laugh I've had in ages' and quite possibly top it.
You appear to want Islamism crushed?
What you should be wanting is violent fundamentalism defeated.
To single out a religious or political grouping, and vilify everyone in that group shows the worst kind of "ism" there is.
Them-ism, beloved by all dictators and idiots alike.
Like SeanT I believe the day of reckoning is coming and some of you need to decide which side you are on.
(Tories up too, admittedly, but by not as much as Lab)
I've shown my love for this country, I've never had a violent moment in my life, towards anyone.
I'm not on the side of any violent group, such as the EDL or supporters of the violent group changing the fundamental way of the UK.
But like the EDL, I suspect you don't like Muslims full stop.
By the way, I think we need to make a distinction between people who say they'd like to have sharia law or an Islamic state, and people who attempt violence or intimidation. The former is permissible (freedom of opinion and all that), the latter not. At present I can't see why this requires a new law of any kind, and I'm opposed to "crushing" any peacefully-expressed opinion. Too much of the "we had to destroy freedom in order to save it" thinking about that.
"Sheer ignorance and professional hand wringing, beloved by those who watch their country overrun. "
The funny thing about "fundamentalism" is that a certain percentage of the population decides to take an equally fundamentalist stance in opposition to it, and never realises the irony, or indeed the insanity of it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1121442/TREVOR-PHILLIPS-Why-Britain-LEAST-racist-country-Europe.html
Also this recent British Social Attitudes Survey
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/britain-becoming-less-racist
But MikeK is right, Islamism has to be crushed before it crushes us, sorry if you have suffered but this cannot go on any longer
Well how about Farage, he finds the EDL repugnant and un English/British.
UKIP has a policy of refusing former BNP members, as well as British nationals who have been members of far right organisations such as the National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/16/UKIP-to-donate-dodge-donation-to-charity
Nothing there that any Kipper was not already aware of, UKIP are the only party that does not allow former BNP members to join their party.
What is your point?
Anyone who thinks the EDL is the voice reason is beyond redemption.
Ok I will concede that voice of reason was a bad terminology and I apologise, I should have expressed myself better.
Still not sure how to put it, other than they are correct in saying that Islamism has to be crushed, or would you prefer to live under Sharia law.
And loathsome as Griffin is he exposed the grooming gangs, was that a bad thing?
I do not wish to live under Sharia Law, nor do I wish to live under the EDL, Nick Griffin or UKIP.
Yet you would be prepared to live under Super Ed "to save the Union"?
The UK is brilliant, it deserves to be saved.
See that's what I don't understand. On one hand you say the UK is brilliant etc but on the other when a group like the EDL is demonstrating against a violent group that is trying by violent means to change the fundamental way of life in the UK you object.
Like SeanT I believe the day of reckoning is coming and some of you need to decide which side you are on.
Who is "some of you"?
I've shown my love for this country, I've never had a violent moment in my life, towards anyone.
I'm not on the side of any violent group, such as the EDL or supporters of the violent group changing the fundamental way of the UK.
But like the EDL, I suspect you don't like Muslims full stop.
I don't like the way they are trying to force change in this country, that much is true. And there have been many reports in the media that the imams know who the radicals are but have done nothing/are powerless to stop them.
If they did do something about it I would have much more respect, can you tell me why this is not happening?
He asked me the question, I merely replied.
But those are just my personal impressions. Not possible to give citations.
I'm greatly amused tonight.
So far tonight, we've had people saying the EDL and Pamela Gellar are the voices of reasons.