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  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    Must admit I'm surprised to see the @Anabobazina meme from yesterday getting the OGH treatment.

    What meme was this?
    Rachel Reeves playing a blinder.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Ah the old joke at the check in desk. "I'm travelling to Glasgow, but I'd like my luggage to go to Cairo please:. "I'm sorry sir, we can't do that.". "Whyever not, that's what you did last time..."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Again, it doesn’t take “much longer than flying” on the routes we’ve been discussing. Why persist in this mythology?
    I'm totally with you on this one. Flying is horrendous. Airport terminals are gross, full of commercial tat and rubbish food. The pain of spending all that time queuing to show papers and then hanging about waiting to get on; then watching morons struggle to put their luggage in the racks; then queuing again to get off and for luggage etc. Meanwhile staying seated with no room to stretch out (for us plebs). No pleasure at all.

    By contrast, London - Montpellier by rail is an absolute pleasure, especially the TGV bit. Watching the changing countryside fly past, strolling up and down the train, plenty of legroom, a table to play cards on, and a bar. From city centre to city centre, arriving bright and fresh. Great. There's more to life than time and money.
    Is that direct? Or changing at Lille? Or what?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
  • Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    This one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Train_Bleu

    The is a (deservedly) less well known Agatha Christie novel set on it: The Mystery of the Blue Train.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,254
    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Again, it doesn’t take “much longer than flying” on the routes we’ve been discussing. Why persist in this mythology?
    I'm totally with you on this one. Flying is horrendous. Airport terminals are gross, full of commercial tat and rubbish food. The pain of spending all that time queuing to show papers and then hanging about waiting to get on; then watching morons struggle to put their luggage in the racks; then queuing again to get off and for luggage etc. Meanwhile staying seated with no room to stretch out (for us plebs). No pleasure at all.

    By contrast, London - Montpellier by rail is an absolute pleasure, especially the TGV bit. Watching the changing countryside fly past, strolling up and down the train, plenty of legroom, a table to play cards on, and a bar. From city centre to city centre, arriving bright and fresh. Great. There's more to life than time and money.
    Is that direct? Or changing at Lille? Or what?
    You can change in Lille, or in Paris. Neither are a big deal, though Lille a bit quicker.
  • ydoethur said:

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
    They probably don’t have sentencing guidelines for subsequent offences either.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    ydoethur said:

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
    They probably don’t have sentencing guidelines for subsequent offences either.
    Indeed knot, it would be considered unnecessary.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
  • ydoethur said:

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
    They probably don’t have sentencing guidelines for subsequent offences either.
    The sentencing guidelines for Oliver Cromwell show it is possible to have sentencing guidelines in those circumstances.
  • He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Indeed - not sure about the message it gives either
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    I’ve been on a train in Greece where the driver got off to pick fruit. To be fair he didn’t stop the train…
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
  • ydoethur said:

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
    They probably don’t have sentencing guidelines for subsequent offences either.
    The sentencing guidelines for Oliver Cromwell show it is possible to have sentencing guidelines in those circumstances.
    I didn’t think that was a second offence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    This one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Train_Bleu

    The is a (deservedly) less well known Agatha Christie novel set on it: The Mystery of the Blue Train.
    That’s it. Le train bleu

    I went on a much reduced version of it in the late 1980s. Now it has gone entirely? Shame. It was a gas. From the grisaille of Paris to the glitter of the Côte d’Azur, in one night
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,254
    edited October 2021
    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    I got the train from Paris to Nice a few years ago. It's wonderful - fast to the south, but then slows down gradually as you head east so that you can enjoy the Riviera as it unfolds. It's still running, as far as I know.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    This one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Train_Bleu

    The is a (deservedly) less well known Agatha Christie novel set on it: The Mystery of the Blue Train.
    That’s it. Le train bleu

    I went on a much reduced version of it in the late 1980s. Now it has gone entirely? Shame. It was a gas. From the grisaille of Paris to the glitter of the Côte d’Azur, in one night
    I found this when looking for the French Blue Train: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Train_(South_Africa)

    Possibly your sort of thing?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Indeed - not sure about the message it gives either
    That you create a certain climate by publicly calling your political opponents scum when you ought to know better.
  • Personally (you know me!) I don't see the attraction of catching a train just to sleep on it!

    I prefer to take in the sights along the route during the daytime (if possible, natch).
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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,284

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    It's simply a nicer experience to take the train.

    Before Covid I did a lot of travelling between Edinburgh and London and taking the train was simply less hassle. After travelling to Kings Cross I'd get to my train and I'd then get to sit down for four and a bit hours and read, knit and watch Netflix, etc with food and drink I'd brought with me.

    If I was flying then I'd have to be a lot more disciplined and organised with my packing, I might have to check a bag in after arriving at the airport, then go through security (where I'd have to risk losing my knitting needles or scissors depending on the latest iteration of the security rules, or put my knitting in my checked bag), then hang around for a while, buy some food after not being allowed to bring any through security, board the plane, comply with bizarre rules on what devices I was allowed to use while the plane took off, then wait for my checked bag again at the other end after disembarking.

    You don't need to be a train fetishist to prefer the train journey.
    I fly a fair bit with work. Even for long-haul, I have long since stopped taking anything on the plane bar my phone and a book, which I shove in my jacket pocket. As you say, the ludicrous, ever changing rules aren’t worth the faff. If I need anything to eat or drink, I order it from the stewardess. I always check my luggage as several business suits don’t fit in a hold bag.
  • ydoethur said:

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
    They probably don’t have sentencing guidelines for subsequent offences either.
    The sentencing guidelines for Oliver Cromwell show it is possible to have sentencing guidelines in those circumstances.
    If Cromwell wasn't such a twat, we could still have been a republic (or "Commonwealth") to this day!
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,986

    Heathener said:

    Speaking of HS2, has anyone else been to Euston recently? I was there last week and it's currently the grottiest railway station I think I've ever been to: eclipsing anything in Asia. The loos are absolutely disgusting.

    I only hope this is because of HS2 development? Does anyone know? The fact that it doesn't really link properly to King's Cross-St Pancras is also one of the more bizarre aspects of HS2.

    The original Euston fell victim to post-war planning vandalism.

    image
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    Luckily the second best station facade (Huddersfield) has been protected. Network Rail have just produced plans for upgrades which however will not affect the Grade 1 listed building.
  • Personally (you know me!) I don't see the attraction of catching a train just to sleep on it!

    I prefer to take in the sights along the route during the daytime (if possible, natch).

    While I was a student did the Inter-rail (sp?) thing round much of Europe with a couple of friends. Sleeping on the train was free, while staying overnight meant paying for a youth hostel or similar. I managed to get to Istanbul by train before having to sleep not on a train.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    Personally (you know me!) I don't see the attraction of catching a train just to sleep on it!

    I prefer to take in the sights along the route during the daytime (if possible, natch).

    You should try the ‘Love Train’ - if it still runs - a sleeper between Moscow and Leningrad/Petersburg

    It was very popular with swooning young Soviet lovers, trapped in cramped apartments with parents. They would take the train just so they could have sex in some kind of privacy
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,266
    "Atlanta’s elites have had enough
    The city's richest and whitest district wants to secede
    BY OLIVER WISEMAN"

    https://unherd.com/2021/10/atlantas-elites-have-had-enough/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    ydoethur said:

    He's got very lucky.

    A man has been given a suspended sentence after he admitted sending a threatening email to Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner.

    Benjamin Iliffe, 36, from Cambridgeshire, was sentenced at Huntingdon Magistrates' Court to 15 weeks in prison suspended for 18 months.


    https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-email-benjamin-iliffe-gets-suspended-sentence-after-he-admitted-sending-threatening-message-to-labour-deputy-leader-12453460

    Well, yes. I mean, in many other countries a suspended sentence means something altogether different...
    They probably don’t have sentencing guidelines for subsequent offences either.
    The sentencing guidelines for Oliver Cromwell show it is possible to have sentencing guidelines in those circumstances.
    For some reason this conversation reminds me of this rather well done attempt in the style of MR James

    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/StoryFour.html
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
  • Leon said:

    Personally (you know me!) I don't see the attraction of catching a train just to sleep on it!

    I prefer to take in the sights along the route during the daytime (if possible, natch).

    You should try the ‘Love Train’ - if it still runs - a sleeper between Moscow and Leningrad/Petersburg

    It was very popular with swooning young Soviet lovers, trapped in cramped apartments with parents. They would take the train just so they could have sex in some kind of privacy
    I’ve been on that train, though it was Leningrad to Moscow when I did it. School trip though, so probably less sex than your description.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    It's simply a nicer experience to take the train.

    Before Covid I did a lot of travelling between Edinburgh and London and taking the train was simply less hassle. After travelling to Kings Cross I'd get to my train and I'd then get to sit down for four and a bit hours and read, knit and watch Netflix, etc with food and drink I'd brought with me.

    If I was flying then I'd have to be a lot more disciplined and organised with my packing, I might have to check a bag in after arriving at the airport, then go through security (where I'd have to risk losing my knitting needles or scissors depending on the latest iteration of the security rules, or put my knitting in my checked bag), then hang around for a while, buy some food after not being allowed to bring any through security, board the plane, comply with bizarre rules on what devices I was allowed to use while the plane took off, then wait for my checked bag again at the other end after disembarking.

    You don't need to be a train fetishist to prefer the train journey.
    Why do they say ‘now sit back and enjoy your flight’?

    Unless you are in Business or better it is never ‘enjoyable’. It is something to be tolerated, and something you want finished ASAP

    Whereas a train CAN be actively enjoyable. The way the countryside flickers past. At the right speed it induces a creative mood in the brain. I’ve noticed you don’t get this meditative vibe on the TGV/Eurostar/Shinkansen etc. They go TOO fast
  • The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    It's simply a nicer experience to take the train.

    Before Covid I did a lot of travelling between Edinburgh and London and taking the train was simply less hassle. After travelling to Kings Cross I'd get to my train and I'd then get to sit down for four and a bit hours and read, knit and watch Netflix, etc with food and drink I'd brought with me.

    If I was flying then I'd have to be a lot more disciplined and organised with my packing, I might have to check a bag in after arriving at the airport, then go through security (where I'd have to risk losing my knitting needles or scissors depending on the latest iteration of the security rules, or put my knitting in my checked bag), then hang around for a while, buy some food after not being allowed to bring any through security, board the plane, comply with bizarre rules on what devices I was allowed to use while the plane took off, then wait for my checked bag again at the other end after disembarking.

    You don't need to be a train fetishist to prefer the train journey.
    We would always take the train if possible

    Notable journeys we took

    Calais to Chambery (car train)

    Moscow to St Petersburg

    Adelaide to Alice Springs

    Johannesburg to Cape Town
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,459
    Glasgow - Oban does much of what you need, frankly, without the sleeper part.

    Plus then you can have a glass of Old Mull after you take the Callie Mac over.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,749
    Andy_JS said:

    "Atlanta’s elites have had enough
    The city's richest and whitest district wants to secede
    BY OLIVER WISEMAN"

    https://unherd.com/2021/10/atlantas-elites-have-had-enough/

    Interesting proposal.

    How does one set up a new city in the USA?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    edited October 2021

    Bloody Eastern Europeans coming to London and shoving out the natives.

    West Ham United are in advanced talks to sell a 27 per cent stake in the club to Czech billionaire Daniel Kretinsky.

    The deal, which could be announced within days, would value West Ham at more than £600 million and could be the precursor to an eventual full takeover which would end the ownership of David Sullivan and David Gold who bought the club in 2010.

    The pair have been looking for investment partners for several years and only wanted to sell a minority stake, initially at least. The offer values the club at significantly more than the two bids – albeit attempts to buy West Ham outright – received from PAI Capital, a group headed by London-based Azerbaijani businessman Nasib Piriyev.

    Kretinsky, known as the “Czech sphinx” for his low profile and inscrutable nature after making a series of shrewd investments, has been in talks with West Ham for some time.

    He is Royal Mail’s biggest shareholder, owning 15 per cent of the company and making paper profits worth hundreds of millions of pounds after the its stock surged in the last year.

    Kretinsky’s firm Vesa Equity Investments owns 10 per cent of Sainsbury’s, having recently increased its stake by buying more than £300m worth of shares from Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund.

    At 46, Kretinsky is one of a new breed of Eastern Europe industrialists and his fortune is said to be worth more than £3 billion. A corporate lawyer, he has turned to the west where he has also bought magazine titles including the French edition of Elle and radio stations. He is also the largest shareholder in France’s Le Monde newspaper.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/10/28/west-ham-talks-sell-27-per-cent-stake-czech-billionaire-valuing/

    I for one hope the Dildo Brothers are here to stay but do not misunderestimate the brilliance of a corporate lawyer.

    Hammers 4th in the EPL and through to the quarter-finals of the Carabou Cup!
  • Leon said:

    Personally (you know me!) I don't see the attraction of catching a train just to sleep on it!

    I prefer to take in the sights along the route during the daytime (if possible, natch).

    You should try the ‘Love Train’ - if it still runs - a sleeper between Moscow and Leningrad/Petersburg

    It was very popular with swooning young Soviet lovers, trapped in cramped apartments with parents. They would take the train just so they could have sex in some kind of privacy
    I’ve been on that train, though it was Leningrad to Moscow when I did it. School trip though, so probably less sex than your description.
    And we have travelled Moscow to Leningrad when it was Leningrad and was the first time we experienced 24 hours daylight arriving in daylight at 11.00 pm
  • The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Again, it doesn’t take “much longer than flying” on the routes we’ve been discussing. Why persist in this mythology?
    We were talking about examples like Manchester to Paris. That's a 90 minute flight.

    How do you get from Manchester to Paris without spending much longer than 90 minutes? It'd take at least twice as long even direct.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,415
    Google in the doghouse along with Facebook.
    "Ok so, I just read through all 173 pages of the unredacted Google antitrust filing and I have to say that either Google is screwed or society is screwed, we'll find out which.
    Unordered list of fun things I learned:"

    https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/1452053938195341314
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
    Thinks - rhinos.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,284

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Again, it doesn’t take “much longer than flying” on the routes we’ve been discussing. Why persist in this mythology?
    We were talking about examples like Manchester to Paris. That's a 90 minute flight.

    How do you get from Manchester to Paris without spending much longer than 90 minutes? It'd take at least twice as long even direct.
    Again, show me your working. Including faffing around at the airports, getting to/from city centres... but we've been through this, over and again now!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    TOPPING said:

    Glasgow - Oban does much of what you need, frankly, without the sleeper part.

    Plus then you can have a glass of Old Mull after you take the Callie Mac over.

    Remembering toast and boiled egg in the midst of Rannoch Muir in the dining car of the old time sleeper to Mallaig in the good old days. And the train back which was more than long enough for everyone and you could open the windows for the smell of the parcel of kippers I had bought for Mum and Dad.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Nigelb said:

    Google in the doghouse along with Facebook.
    "Ok so, I just read through all 173 pages of the unredacted Google antitrust filing and I have to say that either Google is screwed or society is screwed, we'll find out which.
    Unordered list of fun things I learned:"

    https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/1452053938195341314

    Astonishing.

    From that filing...

    ""google has a secret deal with facebook called "Jedi Blue" that they knew was so illegal that it has a whole section describing how they'll cover for each other if anyone finds out - google appears to have a team called gTrade that is wholly dedicated to ad market manipulation""
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,266
    This is a good speech by Biden. Wealthy people should pay their fair share of tax.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
    Yes, Churchill has a well-deserved reputation for fighting against starvation.
    No, wait. The other.

    He shot animals because it pleased him. You know it, I know you know it, and you know I know you know it. Stop this sorry dancing. He was was a man who not just took pleasure out of, but made a public show of, killing animals.
    Yes well so did everybody else, and the point stands: killing an animal which needs killing in the most painless way achievable is not cruelty.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,475
    edited October 2021

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    As the greatest Briton who evvah lived, surely he's a man for all the ages?


  • JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,726
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
    Yes, Churchill has a well-deserved reputation for fighting against starvation.
    No, wait. The other.

    He shot animals because it pleased him. You know it, I know you know it, and you know I know you know it. Stop this sorry dancing. He was was a man who not just took pleasure out of, but made a public show of, killing animals.
    So what? Lots of people shoot game.
  • I also saw Michael Portillo at Ely station filming for his BBC series back in 2016.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    As the greatest Briton who evvah lived, surely he's a man for all the ages?


    In addition to historical figures, like us today, being complicated, I think we need to stop thinking of great as always a synonym for good. People do do so, but i prefer to think of it in terms of being impactful. Even Harry Potter was told people could do great and terrible things.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
    I thought we referred to him as Our Nige here??
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
    Yes, Churchill has a well-deserved reputation for fighting against starvation.
    No, wait. The other.

    He shot animals because it pleased him. You know it, I know you know it, and you know I know you know it. Stop this sorry dancing. He was was a man who not just took pleasure out of, but made a public show of, killing animals.
    Yes well so did everybody else, and the point stands: killing an animal which needs killing in the most painless way achievable is not cruelty.
    I wondered for a moment if the loco story was a confusion with Teddy Roosevelt who definitely rode on the loco smokebox end on the railway from Mombasa to Nairobi, but more likely it was a done thing - sort of premium extra first class. So perhaps almost anyone who was anyone did it?

    https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/African_Game_Trails/UD0qympZqV8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=roosevelt+train+locomotive+africa&pg=PA16&printsec=frontcover
  • Anyhoo, I've resigned my membership of Yorkshire County Cricket Club.

    What a fiasco.

    Azeem Rafiq has accused Yorkshire of protecting their staff after the county said it will take no disciplinary action against any of its employees, players or executives following an independent report on allegations of racism.

    The former Yorkshire player reacted angrily in the wake of the club’s announcement on Thursday their internal investigation had concluded “there is no conduct or action taken by any of its employees, players or executives that warrants disciplinary action”.

    Writing on Twitter, Rafiq said: “Wow just when you think this club couldn’t get more embarrassing you find a way. Still awaiting the FULL report. Thanks for mentioning the people that have provided your PROTECTION & given green light to RACISM.”

    Yorkshire released a summarised version of their report on 10 September, apologising and accepting Rafiq had been a victim of “racial harassment and bullying” in his two spells at the club between 2008 and 2018.

    A spokesperson for Rafiq said: “We note the statement released by Yorkshire County Cricket Club today. As ever, we will take time to fully respond. However, we do also note that the club has come to the conclusion that no employees, players or executives will face disciplinary action. This is despite Yorkshire County Cricket Club’s admission that Azeem was the victim of racial harassment and bullying. This is despite Yorkshire County Cricket Club’s admission that it failed to follow its own policy and investigate allegations of racism as recently as 2018.

    “It is inconceivable that there are no current employees who should not have been disciplined for their conduct. Yorkshire’s failures continue to mount up and it is time that board members – for once – do the decent thing and resign.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/28/yorkshire-says-no-staff-at-club-will-face-action-over-azeem-rafiq
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Sean_F said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
    Yes, Churchill has a well-deserved reputation for fighting against starvation.
    No, wait. The other.

    He shot animals because it pleased him. You know it, I know you know it, and you know I know you know it. Stop this sorry dancing. He was was a man who not just took pleasure out of, but made a public show of, killing animals.
    So what? Lots of people shoot game.
    Lots of people disapprove of shooting game too.

    If it's not to be judged by modern standards theres no need to quibble over his motives.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The talk of enjoying taking the train when it costs much more and takes much longer than flying, makes me realise we've got a fair few Sheldon Coopers on this site.

    From my favourite episode of Big Bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANtbPef8M8

    Better views (it’s normally cloudy at 35,000ft in my experience), more leg room, wider seats, less noisy, much lower chance of having your luggage end up in Cairo by mistake, no long queues at security…

    There are lots of reasons for preferring trains to planes. Particularly when journey times are comparable. I have on occasion taken a trip by train just for the journey, rather than the destination. I can’t see myself doing that on a commercial flight.
    Talking of which, the Cairo Luxor sleeper train is a definite adventure. Still not as good as the Caledonian. But fun

    And the old one from Paris to the Riviera, that was special. Not sure if it even runs anymore, now the TGV has unromantically shortened the journey
    Mombasa to Nairobi is good.

    When the young Winston Churchill did this trip, he got someone to weld a wrought iron bench to the front of the locomotive so that he could sit there with a rifle and shoot game; the train would then stop to retrieve the kills. All of that with no authority to do any of it, other than being an English sahib of the officer class.
    What a wretched man
    He was a man of his time, and should be judged as such.
    Well, antipathy to animal cruelty is older than that. The RSPCA was around for half a century before Churchill was born.
    Competently shooting game with a view to its being eaten isn't cruelty
    And shooting rhinos for fun, is.
    Not necessarily, back in those days thinks and elephants needed seriously controlling to protect crops. For the natives to eat with a view to not dying of starvation.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Andy_JS said:

    This is a good speech by Biden. Wealthy people should pay their fair share of tax.

    A statement no one could disagree with is meaningless. The key is what people think is fair.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899
    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,115
    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    American tourists have lots of money and limited holiday time to spend it all?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899
    rkrkrk said:

    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    American tourists have lots of money and limited holiday time to spend it all?
    Possibly. They must be very confident covid will be over, if so

    Twelve and a half fucking grand!

    You could hire a Bentley and a driver and go from 5 star hotel to 5 star hotel - and have much more fun and flexibility - and pay half that, with shitloads of champagne and premium scotch

    I do like a train, as we have established, but I don’t like them THAT much
  • Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    I thought “traditional entertainment” on a sleeper train means someone gets stabbed twelve times and you get a famous detective to work out who did it.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    eek said:

    From New Jersey - one way to find staff...

    image

    It is amazing - everywhere you go there are hiring signs or signs asking for patience due to short staffing. Or places simply close temporarily until a shift can be adequately staffed. I never know when the local Starbucks will be open for more than Drive-Thru'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    I thought “traditional entertainment” on a sleeper train means someone gets stabbed twelve times and you get a famous detective to work out who did it.
    Maybe it’s a drunken hooker from Glasgae who wobbles down the train corridor offering to suck you off if you buy her another bottle of Bucky?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,284
    Leon said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    American tourists have lots of money and limited holiday time to spend it all?
    Possibly. They must be very confident covid will be over, if so

    Twelve and a half fucking grand!

    You could hire a Bentley and a driver and go from 5 star hotel to 5 star hotel - and have much more fun and flexibility - and pay half that, with shitloads of champagne and premium scotch

    I do like a train, as we have established, but I don’t like them THAT much
    :D
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845
    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    But you get to enjoy two Class 66s for haulage. Surely that is the biggest draw?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,284

    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    I thought “traditional entertainment” on a sleeper train means someone gets stabbed twelve times and you get a famous detective to work out who did it.
    That package is £16,500.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,459
    Leon said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    American tourists have lots of money and limited holiday time to spend it all?
    Possibly. They must be very confident covid will be over, if so

    Twelve and a half fucking grand!

    You could hire a Bentley and a driver and go from 5 star hotel to 5 star hotel - and have much more fun and flexibility - and pay half that, with shitloads of champagne and premium scotch

    I do like a train, as we have established, but I don’t like them THAT much
    I smell a travel article coming on. Now. Who to write it.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341

    TimS said:

    Trouble is Reeves seems to make a very good shadow chancellor. Like Brown in the 1990s. We have this tendency in politics and business to promote people out of jobs they are very good at, and sometimes that's not the right answer. Labour needs someone convincing on the economic and public finances.

    She is also quite serious and downbeat (again like Brown). Not a shiny smiley optimist. Given that's also Keir's problem, ideally they would have a fun loving, cheery optimistic leader supported by the clunking fist of an all-destroying shadow CoE.

    I agree with pretty much all that. Brown's leadership ambitions were his eventual downfall. Reeves should stay where she is and give substance to Labour's economic ambitions.

    It's similar for the Tories, with people talking up the chances of Sunak, and to a lesser extent Truss, as next leader. Just because they're perceived as good in their current jobs doesn't mean that they'd make good leaders. In Truss's case, I think it's highly unlikely.

    It's a bit like promoting the most brilliant teachers to be head teachers. It's often a disaster. Different skill sets and all that.
    Or scientists or engineers or doctors or lawyers into executive leadership. The problem is we pay executives more, when we should pay the best scientists etc... the same to keep them in the jobs where they contribute the most value.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,284
    edited October 2021
    I think the key learnings from today's railway debate are:

    a) most PBers like trains
    b) Phillip Thompson hates trains
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    edited October 2021

    Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    But you get to enjoy two Class 66s for haulage. Surely that is the biggest draw?
    There are Class 70 locos, but until recently no Class 69s (these are former Class 56s).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,019
    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.
  • Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    I thought “traditional entertainment” on a sleeper train means someone gets stabbed twelve times and you get a famous detective to work out who did it.
    That package is £16,500.
    Discount if you are the victim?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    edited October 2021
    Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    TimS said:

    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.

    Not spectacular?! It's a splendid little ride toward - and through - the Malvern Hills. OK, it gets industrial after that - or it used to be in the 1970s.
  • Leon said:

    I’m still slightly obsessed with the total crapness of the Belmond Royal Scotsman experience. In relation to what they are charging


    Here’s what you get in your week’s holiday


    https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/scotland/belmond-royal-scotsman/journeys/grand-western-scenic-wonders?packageCode=SGNORTHR

    Basically a whole load of free food and booze for seven days, a boat trip to see seals, trips round castles, and - shudder - one night of ‘traditional entertainment’ on the train. That has to be bagpipes and highland dancing. Which is traditionally done on a luxury train, as any true Scotsman knows

    Anyway that’s it. How much is that if you take it apart? £3k per head? £4k?

    They are charging £12,500 per head - and it is all sold out

    I thought “traditional entertainment” on a sleeper train means someone gets stabbed twelve times and you get a famous detective to work out who did it.
    That package is £16,500.
    Seems some people have more money than sense :lol:
  • TimT said:

    TimS said:

    Trouble is Reeves seems to make a very good shadow chancellor. Like Brown in the 1990s. We have this tendency in politics and business to promote people out of jobs they are very good at, and sometimes that's not the right answer. Labour needs someone convincing on the economic and public finances.

    She is also quite serious and downbeat (again like Brown). Not a shiny smiley optimist. Given that's also Keir's problem, ideally they would have a fun loving, cheery optimistic leader supported by the clunking fist of an all-destroying shadow CoE.

    I agree with pretty much all that. Brown's leadership ambitions were his eventual downfall. Reeves should stay where she is and give substance to Labour's economic ambitions.

    It's similar for the Tories, with people talking up the chances of Sunak, and to a lesser extent Truss, as next leader. Just because they're perceived as good in their current jobs doesn't mean that they'd make good leaders. In Truss's case, I think it's highly unlikely.

    It's a bit like promoting the most brilliant teachers to be head teachers. It's often a disaster. Different skill sets and all that.
    Or scientists or engineers or doctors or lawyers into executive leadership. The problem is we pay executives more, when we should pay the best scientists etc... the same to keep them in the jobs where they contribute the most value.
    Being a headteacher is a thankless task, particularly at primary school level. I’m always amazed that any teacher wants to be more than a head of department (and that only so they can pick which classes they teach). If teachers could earn more and stay as teachers then I’m not sure anyone sane would want the job.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.

    And then you look up halfway through and find Jeremy Corbyn's sat on the floor.
    It's happened to us all.
    My mind got stuck for a moment there - was that a grammatical solecism or a missing 'h'?
  • Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.

    I thought you posh former public schoolboys don't travel by train?
  • I think the key learnings from today's railway debate are:

    a) most PBers like trains
    b) Phillip Thompson hates trains

    TSE also hates trains!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845

    JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
    I was on the same bus as Roy Hattersley in Birmingham in the 90s.

    I saw Michael Foot at Newcastle station back in the 80s.

    Wor Lass used the next door trap to Margaret Beckett in the Ladies at Derby station.

    #Politiciansonpublictransport
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    edited October 2021
    Farooq said:

    Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.

    And then you look up halfway through and find Jeremy Corbyn's sat on the floor.
    It's happened to us all.
    Dating a Corbynite is fun.

    As an aside, there was a cad, an absolute bounder, who was once making the beast with two backs in a hotel room at 2am, accidentally hit the remote control that was still on the bed and the TV came on.

    BBC1 simulcasting with BBC News 24, and as said bounder was about to hit the jackpot there on the TV was footage of Peter Mandelson.

    I still haven't recovered.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    edited October 2021
    I know the tram line to the Trafford Centre opened the day before the first lockdown in March last year, but how about the new tram services to Blackpool North station and Wolverhampton station?
  • Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.

    I thought you posh former public schoolboys don't travel by train?
    I'm a frequent train user.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,475
    edited October 2021
    TimS said:

    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.

    Adlestropian!

    Edit: beaten to it
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,019
    Carnyx said:

    TimS said:

    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.

    Not spectacular?! It's a splendid little ride toward - and through - the Malvern Hills. OK, it gets industrial after that - or it used to be in the 1970s.
    I'd call it pretty. Spectacular would require big spiky mountains, or plunging ravines. But yes I agree, a lovely ride.
  • TimS said:

    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.

    Adlestropian!

    Edit: beaten to it
    You and @Leon have something in common then.
  • Stitch up.

    Disquiet in Tory circles that CCHQ say they will only consider candidates to replace James Brokenshire who got in touch BEFORE his funeral last week.

    Many hopefuls held off out of respect before a hat in the ring - but party chiefs say they were "inundated" before funeral.
    Grim:


    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1453760128897986567
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    TimS said:

    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.

    Not spectacular?! It's a splendid little ride toward - and through - the Malvern Hills. OK, it gets industrial after that - or it used to be in the 1970s.
    I'd call it pretty. Spectacular would require big spiky mountains, or plunging ravines. But yes I agree, a lovely ride.
    TBF the train ride is a bit low for the really good views over Severn Vale to Cotswold Edge and its outlier hills, but then it does go through that tunnel!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,460
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Must admit I'm surprised to see the @Anabobazina meme from yesterday getting the OGH treatment.

    What meme was this?
    Rachel Reeves playing a blinder.
    As a Corbynite you might expect me to disagree, but I think she's good, and also that others of my ilk are sufficiently fed up with the Tory lead that they'd be open to her if Starmer fell by the wayside.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,019

    JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
    I was on the same bus as Roy Hattersley in Birmingham in the 90s.

    I saw Michael Foot at Newcastle station back in the 80s.

    Wor Lass used the next door trap to Margaret Beckett in the Ladies at Derby station.

    #Politiciansonpublictransport
    Had Gordon Brown at the back of the plane to Edinburgh a few years back. Shortly after he'd lost to Cameron. Didn't do much smiling.

    Sat opposite Frances Maude on the tube. I know that's lame but it counts.

    Also knocked Boris Johnson off his bike by accident while crossing Shaftsbury Avenue, back before he was Mayor of London and was just an amusing journalist.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,170
    TimS said:

    I did the Caledonian sleeper last summer with the family. When we booked it was pre-Covid so we'd anticipated that dining car, late whiskies etc. As it was we were stuck in our small sleeper compartment all night and having to don masks to wander shiftily to the toilet cubicle. Yes the scenery was nice coming in towards Fort William but it was raining, so overall the trip wasn't much fun. Exciting for the children though. Would like to try it again when the dining car reopens.

    My favourite train journey used to be the one at the end of half term, returning home from Hereford with an overnight bag on the slow regional train via Birmingham, seemingly always on a golden sunny late afternoon as the carriages trundled past Ledbury, Great Malvern and onwards. Not spectacular, but always very relaxing, and I was going home.

    Manchester always obliged on the way home from uni. It was guaranteed that as the Co-op Tower, which was still by far the biggest building around, hoved into view, it would start drizzling and it would be drizzling hard by the time the Edinburgh - WCML - Victoria pulled in on platform 11. (this was pre Metrolink and just pre the Salford Crescent link - which I forget the official name of).

    It doesn't always rain in Manchester, but it reliably saved it for my returns.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    edited October 2021

    Stitch up.

    Disquiet in Tory circles that CCHQ say they will only consider candidates to replace James Brokenshire who got in touch BEFORE his funeral last week.

    Sounds like they should have adopted the reverse position. Someone who held off shows a bit more nous that you might want in a politician.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335

    JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
    I was on the same bus as Roy Hattersley in Birmingham in the 90s.

    I saw Michael Foot at Newcastle station back in the 80s.

    Wor Lass used the next door trap to Margaret Beckett in the Ladies at Derby station.

    #Politiciansonpublictransport
    Sat opposite Bob Marshall-Andrews MP once on way to London. Fascinating hour of political discussion. V interesting chap. This would be ≈ 2007. He told us he was standing down and that the next election was lost.

  • TimS said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
    I was on the same bus as Roy Hattersley in Birmingham in the 90s.

    I saw Michael Foot at Newcastle station back in the 80s.

    Wor Lass used the next door trap to Margaret Beckett in the Ladies at Derby station.

    #Politiciansonpublictransport
    Had Gordon Brown at the back of the plane to Edinburgh a few years back. Shortly after he'd lost to Cameron. Didn't do much smiling.

    Sat opposite Frances Maude on the tube. I know that's lame but it counts.

    Also knocked Boris Johnson off his bike by accident while crossing Shaftsbury Avenue, back before he was Mayor of London and was just an amusing journalist.
    Well that beats @TSE ‘s anecdote!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    edited October 2021

    TimT said:

    TimS said:

    Trouble is Reeves seems to make a very good shadow chancellor. Like Brown in the 1990s. We have this tendency in politics and business to promote people out of jobs they are very good at, and sometimes that's not the right answer. Labour needs someone convincing on the economic and public finances.

    She is also quite serious and downbeat (again like Brown). Not a shiny smiley optimist. Given that's also Keir's problem, ideally they would have a fun loving, cheery optimistic leader supported by the clunking fist of an all-destroying shadow CoE.

    I agree with pretty much all that. Brown's leadership ambitions were his eventual downfall. Reeves should stay where she is and give substance to Labour's economic ambitions.

    It's similar for the Tories, with people talking up the chances of Sunak, and to a lesser extent Truss, as next leader. Just because they're perceived as good in their current jobs doesn't mean that they'd make good leaders. In Truss's case, I think it's highly unlikely.

    It's a bit like promoting the most brilliant teachers to be head teachers. It's often a disaster. Different skill sets and all that.
    Or scientists or engineers or doctors or lawyers into executive leadership. The problem is we pay executives more, when we should pay the best scientists etc... the same to keep them in the jobs where they contribute the most value.
    Being a headteacher is a thankless task, particularly at primary school level. I’m always amazed that any teacher wants to be more than a head of department (and that only so they can pick which classes they teach). If teachers could earn more and stay as teachers then I’m not sure anyone sane would want the job.
    And perhaps then it would evolve into a separate profession of education management, distinct from pure teaching, with more relative emphasis on leadership, management and organizational skills - just as public health and medicine have evolved into separate disciplines [Edit, or perhaps a better analogy would be surgeons and hospital administrators - no self-respecting surgeon would want to become a hospital administrator]
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845

    Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.

    Since when has it taken 10 minutes?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,019

    TimS said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Fuck it-

    Here's my train anecdote-

    After spending [REDACTED] I took the train from London to Aberdeen - and Nick Clegg was on the same train! (getting off near Sheffield presumably)

    I was sitting a few seats away from Nigel fucking Farage some years back between London Victoria and West Dulwich. He alighted there, presumably, to give a talk at the nearby school.
    I was on the same bus as Roy Hattersley in Birmingham in the 90s.

    I saw Michael Foot at Newcastle station back in the 80s.

    Wor Lass used the next door trap to Margaret Beckett in the Ladies at Derby station.

    #Politiciansonpublictransport
    Had Gordon Brown at the back of the plane to Edinburgh a few years back. Shortly after he'd lost to Cameron. Didn't do much smiling.

    Sat opposite Frances Maude on the tube. I know that's lame but it counts.

    Also knocked Boris Johnson off his bike by accident while crossing Shaftsbury Avenue, back before he was Mayor of London and was just an amusing journalist.
    Well that beats @TSE ‘s anecdote!
    The clunking fist.
  • Using the trains in this country is a lot like sex with an ex.

    Fun at the start but then you really do regret your decisions about 10 minutes in.

    Since when has it taken 10 minutes?
    You need a lesson about the birds and the bees.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    eek said:

    MattW said:

    HS2.

    Has anyone seen anything on this, yet?

    Independent carrying stories of major salami slicing, which will kill quite a few of the benefits. Including killing the Nottm/Derby station, and putting chunks of it on existing tracks.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/northern-powerhouse-rail-hs2-levelling-up-b1934935.html

    Is it true? Problem I have is that the Indy is not reliable.

    There seems to be a lot of issues round the eastern leg where they seem to have missed the fact, a train route isn't much use if it doesn't stop at important towns / cities on the route.

    Leeds - Sheffield - Nottingham / Derby - all add millions of potential customers to the route.

    The reality is that for reasons unknown they seem to want to save costs without thinking through the consequences of those cuts.
    And this was the Tories you say?
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