The banning EU mineral water story is surely a spoof – politicalbetting.com

I've always thought that bottled water was absurd, and importing it from overseas even more absurd. If you have to ban anything, perhaps to prove a point to the EU in negotiations, then it's a good one to choose.

It's not banned, it's just not recognised under the old pre-Brexit scheme.

You can still import it, if you fill in more Brexit paperwork.

Another example of Brexit making life more complicated, difficult and expensive.

Yay!!!

What's going so badly that we need to be distracted by War With France again?

Farooq said:

How the fuck are my house plants supposed to get watered if I can't get San Pellegrino? This is a fucking nightmare, nobody has ever suffered like me.

“It’s a bloody nightmare”
Meaning: Something is proving a mild inconvenience; typically used to describe slightly heavy traffic, or the internet not working

“It’s not ideal”
Meaning: Something terrible has happened and life is almost certainly ruined

https://twitter.com/SoVeryBritish/status/1451896363722199046

Stuartinromford said:

What's going so badly that we need to be distracted by War With France again?

The booster rollout.

Last week the government was hinting about changing the rules to make sure you can have your jab after five months instead of six.

This morning I go on the website to book some people's booster jabs and it now says it has changed from six months to six months and a week.

#JoinedUpGovernment #CouldNotOrganiseAPregnancyOnACouncilEstate

Whilst imported mineral water isn't exactly a required product, this seems a great way to go about starting a tit for tat trade war which won't help us a great deal.

Anyhoo, the Telegraph have also picked up on something I flagged up years ago.

Becoming a third country screws up the legal remedies for British companies against EU countries.

Brussels is hitting British companies with extra charges of as much as £100,000 just to take a case to EU court, sparking fears that small firms could be cut off from justice.

The bloc is forcing UK businesses to pay so-called “security bonds” of at least £50,000 to courts in the EU in order to bring forward a claim after Brexit. Higher-value and more complex cases can require a bond of £100,000 or more, according to legal sources.

While the legal sector was one of the only branches of the professional services industry to have a dedicated section in the post-Brexit Trade and Cooperation Agreement, British firms have found themselves being treated by EU civil courts in the same way as businesses from other “third” countries, such as China.

Ministers have been in talks with EU officials about removing the requirement for UK litigants to lodge a security bond, but discussions have stalled in recent months, the Telegraph understands.

The introduction of the bonds have created fears that smaller British businesses will be unable to defend themselves in courts on the Continent due to the significant upfront costs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/10/24/brussels-stings-british-firms-extra-legal-charges/

Bozo: "We could feed some of the human beings to the animals."

TheScreamingEagles said:

FPT

I completed a survey by Opinium and one of the supplementary questions are what words I would use to describe Prince Charles.

I think I was fair and balanced.

I really can't imagine your calling HRH fair and balanced.

The details if one clicks through confirm thst it's a side-effect of our withdrawal from the EU single market, so that we now require separate approval rather than rely on approval given hitherto. Anyone can apply to the British authorities to have their mineral water approved as safe.

It's a silly bit of bureaucracy rather than a ban. A more sensible arrangement would be that all previously approved products remained approved, so Evian etc. would only need approval if they introduced a new "super-Evian" water. Precisely the same applies in reverse - if we hitherto exported Kit-Kats to Belgium, they will now need to apply for approval.

Since we all have the same standards at the moment, mutual recognition would be better still. But, you know, freedom.

FPT, the curse of the new thread killed my neologism with which to describe Wales -
No longer having an established church, it is a postantidisestablishmentarianist society.

The road to #COP26 in Glasgow was never going to be smooth but there's quite a bump coming this afternoon...
https://twitter.com/davidshukmanbbc/status/1452614864803930121

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anyhoo, the Telegraph have also picked up on something I flagged up years ago.

Becoming a third country screws up the legal remedies for British companies against EU countries.

Brussels is hitting British companies with extra charges of as much as £100,000 just to take a case to EU court, sparking fears that small firms could be cut off from justice.

The bloc is forcing UK businesses to pay so-called “security bonds” of at least £50,000 to courts in the EU in order to bring forward a claim after Brexit. Higher-value and more complex cases can require a bond of £100,000 or more, according to legal sources.

While the legal sector was one of the only branches of the professional services industry to have a dedicated section in the post-Brexit Trade and Cooperation Agreement, British firms have found themselves being treated by EU civil courts in the same way as businesses from other “third” countries, such as China.

Ministers have been in talks with EU officials about removing the requirement for UK litigants to lodge a security bond, but discussions have stalled in recent months, the Telegraph understands.

The introduction of the bonds have created fears that smaller British businesses will be unable to defend themselves in courts on the Continent due to the significant upfront costs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/10/24/brussels-stings-british-firms-extra-legal-charges/

Under EU law there was a presumption that those within the SM would not need to lodge caution or security. It could be overcome but you needed good evidence. We may have lost the benefit of that presumption but this will simply encourage companies to make even more use of the English courts, which they will be able to do in most cases unless their contract is with a consumer or the contract expressly stipulates otherwise.

I can see the UK courts taking the same view of EU plaintiffs.

The advantage of writing the satirists jokes for them is that they're then too lazy to write the jokes that might hurt you.

Mineral water imports is the perfect territory to reinforce the anti metropolitan elite message.

MattW said:

AIUI there is no ban. And I'm not clear what any fuss is about, or why the story has materialised now.

This is just replicating the regime that the EU has in place for exports of mineral water from here since the start of this year.

Here's the Government Guidance about it:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/recognition-of-natural-mineral-water-inside-and-outside-the-uk

And here is the EU Guidance:
(Directive 2009/54/EC)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/info_site/natural_mineral_waters_en.pdf

Telegraph report from July
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/02/eu-mineral-water-exports-uk-will-need-authorised-next-year/#:~:text="The automatic recognition for EEA,," a Defra spokesman said.

Expect an outrage bus from the FBPE corner.

If it's a technical replication/mirror of rules why the tweet about "the UK will cease to recognise and allow import of mineral water from the EU and EEA. In order to promote Britain's clean, healthy and delicious natural mineral waters". Just seems like needless pot stirring.

Comes out of the tap for (next to) nothing.

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Comes out of the tap for (next to) nothing.

Some of us live in areas where water comes out of a tap but it also comes with a foam.

Better to get your water from your own well ...

There are some advantages of not being linked to municipal water and sewage. Except when the power goes out. Future projects include wind and solar power generation, and a whole house battery.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Comes out of the tap for (next to) nothing.

Yup. Why does anyone buy mineral water? What a pointless purchase.

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Comes out of the tap for (next to) nothing.

Some of us live in areas where water comes out of a tap but it also comes with a foam.

Just think of it as alcohol free beer...

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. T, sometimes the power going out is because you're linked to the grid...

That's why I said linked to water and sewage, not linked to the grid.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Pulpstar said:

MattW said:

AIUI there is no ban. And I'm not clear what any fuss is about, or why the story has materialised now.

This is just replicating the regime that the EU has in place for exports of mineral water from here since the start of this year.

Here's the Government Guidance about it:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/recognition-of-natural-mineral-water-inside-and-outside-the-uk

And here is the EU Guidance:
(Directive 2009/54/EC)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/info_site/natural_mineral_waters_en.pdf

Telegraph report from July
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/02/eu-mineral-water-exports-uk-will-need-authorised-next-year/#:~:text="The automatic recognition for EEA,," a Defra spokesman said.

Expect an outrage bus from the FBPE corner.

If it's a technical replication/mirror of rules why the tweet about "the UK will cease to recognise and allow import of mineral water from the EU and EEA. In order to promote Britain's clean, healthy and delicious natural mineral waters". Just seems like needless pot stirring.

That's a fair point.

But all they have to do is register and supply relevant information by the look of it.

Is this all a hangover from the Benzene in Perrier scandal?

I can see that it might be a poke in the ribs for Mons. Macaron. Which is perhaps what we need to be doing a bit more, given his behaviour.

eek said:

while I dislike a lot of things about Brexit and this Government's approach to it, stopping water travelling 1000s of miles for no good reason does make this something I can agree with.

They are not stopping it.

They are making it more complicated, difficult and expensive.

Brexit in its purest form...

BlancheLivermore said:

I always thought Badoit water tasted a bit funny..

"A 2004 analysis by the French Society for Radiation Protection confirms the spring water emits 70 becquerels per liter of radiation before treatment, containing 58 mg/m3 of uranium, 350 Bq/m3 of radium-226 and 713 Bq/m3 of radium-228. After treatment, it contains 5.45 mg/m3 of uranium, 28 Bq/m3 of radium 226 and 44 Bq/m3 of radium 228."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badoit

Not as bad as Vichy.

eek said:

Pulpstar said:

MattW said:

AIUI there is no ban. And I'm not clear what any fuss is about, or why the story has materialised now.

This is just replicating the regime that the EU has in place for exports of mineral water from here since the start of this year.

Here's the Government Guidance about it:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/recognition-of-natural-mineral-water-inside-and-outside-the-uk

And here is the EU Guidance:
(Directive 2009/54/EC)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/info_site/natural_mineral_waters_en.pdf

Telegraph report from July
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/02/eu-mineral-water-exports-uk-will-need-authorised-next-year/#:~:text="The automatic recognition for EEA,," a Defra spokesman said.

Expect an outrage bus from the FBPE corner.

If it's a technical replication/mirror of rules why the tweet about "the UK will cease to recognise and allow import of mineral water from the EU and EEA. In order to promote Britain's clean, healthy and delicious natural mineral waters". Just seems like needless pot stirring.

point scoring - although as I pointed out below while I dislike a lot of things about Brexit and this Government's approach to it, stopping water travelling 1000s of miles for no good reason does make this something I can agree with.

Yes, they have accidentally won my agreement here too. Anything that reduces demand for this pointless, environmentally damaging product is A Good Thing, regardless of the policy cock-ups behind it.

DavidL said:

It would seem a bizarre thing to do but it just might be a shot across the bows of France in particular who are still playing the arsehole with élan.

Whereas we are playing the arsehole with Evian

Well I broke the story here. And I couldn’t believe it when I saw it.

There’s a decent export market for Highland Spring and the like, which we would surely lose.

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Tbh I'd rather consumption is measured in litres per 100 miles (metric countries use l/100 km rather than kilometres per litre).

I struggle with imperial measurements apart from the few areas of daily life in which it's used such as driving distances and speed, height in ft and in and weight in stone because my school didn't bother to teach anything but metric.

eek said:

While it looks petty I can see valid reasons for blocking the importation of mineral water - it's bulky, expensive to transport and not exactly required...

Yes, but then to be rational about it, you’d need to establish some criteria, in terms of value versus weight in relation to distance transported, and develop and implement a policy - after appropriate consultation - accordingly. This surprise announcement is asking for a trade war and is surely not a serious proposal as to how to proceed.

MattW said:

Pulpstar said:

MattW said:

AIUI there is no ban. And I'm not clear what any fuss is about, or why the story has materialised now.

This is just replicating the regime that the EU has in place for exports of mineral water from here since the start of this year.

Here's the Government Guidance about it:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/recognition-of-natural-mineral-water-inside-and-outside-the-uk

And here is the EU Guidance:
(Directive 2009/54/EC)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/info_site/natural_mineral_waters_en.pdf

Telegraph report from July
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/02/eu-mineral-water-exports-uk-will-need-authorised-next-year/#:~:text="The automatic recognition for EEA,," a Defra spokesman said.

Expect an outrage bus from the FBPE corner.

If it's a technical replication/mirror of rules why the tweet about "the UK will cease to recognise and allow import of mineral water from the EU and EEA. In order to promote Britain's clean, healthy and delicious natural mineral waters". Just seems like needless pot stirring.

That's a fair point.

But all they have to do is register and supply relevant information by the look of it.

Is this all a hangover from the Benzene in Perrier scandal?

I can see that it might be a poke in the ribs for Mons. Macaron. Which is perhaps what we need to be doing a bit more, given his behaviour.

Leaving aside the desirability of drinking bottled water this, as @Scott_xP says, encapsulates Brexit entirely. Introducing extra checks and administrative measures to maintain continuity of service and maintain the status quo ante.

Selebian said:

DavidL said:

It would seem a bizarre thing to do but it just might be a shot across the bows of France in particular who are still playing the arsehole with élan.

Whereas we are playing the arsehole with Evian

Which, I just discovered, is "naive" backwards.

IN other news

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/27/22696836/babylon-5-reboot-j-michael-straczynski-warner-bros-the-cw

"Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other people's needs. Zathras have sad life, probably have sad death, but at least there is symmetry."

DavidL said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Keep that foreign muck out, nothing can beat the excremental tang of Brit H20.

I drink Perthshire sparkling from Tescos and even that makes me feel guilty. I kind of justify it because it is sparkling and not just plain water. It is an alternative to cans of fizzy drink. Also the delivery distance is about 25 miles. Guilt.

Via their distribution hub in Daventry.

RH1992 said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Tbh I'd rather consumption is measured in litres per 100 miles (metric countries use l/100 km rather than kilometres per litre).

I struggle with imperial measurements apart from the few areas of daily life in which it's used such as driving distances and speed, height in ft and in and weight in stone because my school didn't bother to teach anything but metric.

Sure, I can see the case for that, but at least make it consistent. The current system, whereby consumption is mpg and fuel priced per litre is needlessly complicated. Why?

Anabobazina said:

RH1992 said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Tbh I'd rather consumption is measured in litres per 100 miles (metric countries use l/100 km rather than kilometres per litre).

I struggle with imperial measurements apart from the few areas of daily life in which it's used such as driving distances and speed, height in ft and in and weight in stone because my school didn't bother to teach anything but metric.

Sure, I can see the case for that, but at least make it consistent. The current system, whereby consumption is mpg and fuel priced per litre is needlessly complicated. Why?

Don't all cars have an onboard computer that you can set to either these days?

RochdalePioneers said:

Fantastic news that we're going to ban imported food and drink. Its the perfect way to try and distract people from the winter we're about to have.

As a Brexiteer, you should be happy. After all, you voted for this.

IanB2 said:

Well I broke the story here. And I couldn’t believe it when I saw it.

There’s a decent export market for Highland Spring and the like, which we would surely lose.

All that's happening is that we no longer recognise the EU authorities, after a grace period, so they have to apply to a UK authority.

Anabobazina said:

RH1992 said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Tbh I'd rather consumption is measured in litres per 100 miles (metric countries use l/100 km rather than kilometres per litre).

I struggle with imperial measurements apart from the few areas of daily life in which it's used such as driving distances and speed, height in ft and in and weight in stone because my school didn't bother to teach anything but metric.

Sure, I can see the case for that, but at least make it consistent. The current system, whereby consumption is mpg and fuel priced per litre is needlessly complicated. Why?

Price per litre gives much smaller numbers than price per gallon so looks better.

Mpg gives much bigger numbers than mpl so looks better.

Malmesbury said:

Philip_Thompson said:

BlancheLivermore said:

AlistairM said:

noneoftheabove said:

PM saying recycling does not work, and we should feed humans to animals (apparently this one passes for comedy).

Global Britain leading the way ahead of COP26.....

That's quite disingenuous. What he actually said was that recycling on its own is not enough and that we need to reduce our consumption of plastics in the first place. I think that this is quite logical.

Thinking about the waste from my household we generate more recycling than non-recycling. The non-recycling is mostly the thin plastic that cannot be recycled. I am surprised that we have not done more in that area. One simple way would be to ban selling of fruit & vegetables in non-recyclable packaging. We would likely go back to the days where these were sold by loose by weight and put in paper bags. Some inconvenience is required to improve things.

Swapping to recyclable packaging would increase food waste.

That thin plastic around your cucumber makes it last much longer.

Obviously this isn't the case for all plastic food packaging, and we could massively reduce it without causing food waste, but banning all non-recyclable materials would have consequences other than the being brilliantly green one.

Which does more damage: food waste or plastic waste?

I've never seen any analysis on that.

A lot of "Food Waste" is actually things like carrot peelings - hence the variations in estimates according to who is doing the estimating.

The problem with plastics is that they have serious (non-)decay issues.

Who has time to peel carrots? Just wash them!

Philip_Thompson said:

BlancheLivermore said:

AlistairM said:

noneoftheabove said:

PM saying recycling does not work, and we should feed humans to animals (apparently this one passes for comedy).

Global Britain leading the way ahead of COP26.....

That's quite disingenuous. What he actually said was that recycling on its own is not enough and that we need to reduce our consumption of plastics in the first place. I think that this is quite logical.

Thinking about the waste from my household we generate more recycling than non-recycling. The non-recycling is mostly the thin plastic that cannot be recycled. I am surprised that we have not done more in that area. One simple way would be to ban selling of fruit & vegetables in non-recyclable packaging. We would likely go back to the days where these were sold by loose by weight and put in paper bags. Some inconvenience is required to improve things.

Swapping to recyclable packaging would increase food waste.

That thin plastic around your cucumber makes it last much longer.

Obviously this isn't the case for all plastic food packaging, and we could massively reduce it without causing food waste, but banning all non-recyclable materials would have consequences other than the being brilliantly green one.

Which does more damage: food waste or plastic waste?

I've never seen any analysis on that.

I think we all have some conception of our own waste.

But I have absolutely no idea of the balance between food waste and packaging waste as it applies to business users.

BlancheLivermore said:

Anabobazina said:

RH1992 said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Tbh I'd rather consumption is measured in litres per 100 miles (metric countries use l/100 km rather than kilometres per litre).

I struggle with imperial measurements apart from the few areas of daily life in which it's used such as driving distances and speed, height in ft and in and weight in stone because my school didn't bother to teach anything but metric.

Sure, I can see the case for that, but at least make it consistent. The current system, whereby consumption is mpg and fuel priced per litre is needlessly complicated. Why?

Don't all cars have an onboard computer that you can set to either these days?

I've never checked mine, maybe. But then presumably you'd have to have l/km – when we don't use km for roads in this country, nor for mileage allowances at work, so again it requires conversion (not to mention the fact that all cars are rated in mpg so you'd again have to convert to compare vehicles). Why not just have one consistent system?

AlistairM said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Comes out of the tap for (next to) nothing.

Some of us live in areas where water comes out of a tap but it also comes with a foam.

The tap water in Sheffield is fine. Stop whingeing. We'd all be better off if people stopped buying bottled water.

Bottled water is the first thing to be sacrificed when there are constraints on deliveries which shoes how unnecessary it is. I would probably support a complete ban on it. I'd love to see a national network of free water refill stations. Everyone then just has reusable water bottles.

Yep. That would be the way to go.

BlancheLivermore said:

AlistairM said:

noneoftheabove said:

PM saying recycling does not work, and we should feed humans to animals (apparently this one passes for comedy).

Global Britain leading the way ahead of COP26.....

That's quite disingenuous. What he actually said was that recycling on its own is not enough and that we need to reduce our consumption of plastics in the first place. I think that this is quite logical.

Thinking about the waste from my household we generate more recycling than non-recycling. The non-recycling is mostly the thin plastic that cannot be recycled. I am surprised that we have not done more in that area. One simple way would be to ban selling of fruit & vegetables in non-recyclable packaging. We would likely go back to the days where these were sold by loose by weight and put in paper bags. Some inconvenience is required to improve things.

Swapping to recyclable packaging would increase food waste.

That thin plastic around your cucumber makes it last much longer.

Obviously this isn't the case for all plastic food packaging, and we could massively reduce it without causing food waste, but banning all non-recyclable materials would have consequences other than the being brilliantly green one.

No, because behaviour would change accordingly. Why buy a cucumber if you don't plan to eat it? Just buy what you need.

MattW said:

Pulpstar said:

Pulpstar said:

MattW said:

AIUI there is no ban. And I'm not clear what any fuss is about, or why the story has materialised now.

This is just replicating the regime that the EU has in place for exports of mineral water from here since the start of this year.

Here's the Government Guidance about it:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/recognition-of-natural-mineral-water-inside-and-outside-the-uk

And here is the EU Guidance:
(Directive 2009/54/EC)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/info_site/natural_mineral_waters_en.pdf

Telegraph report from July
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/02/eu-mineral-water-exports-uk-will-need-authorised-next-year/#:~:text="The automatic recognition for EEA,," a Defra spokesman said.

Expect an outrage bus from the FBPE corner.

If it's a technical replication/mirror of rules why the tweet about "the UK will cease to recognise and allow import of mineral water from the EU and EEA. In order to promote Britain's clean, healthy and delicious natural mineral waters". Just seems like needless pot stirring.

Right, ok looking around it appears "Best for Britain" is an anti-Brexit group. So the tweet is composed is made to look like it supports the efforts of the Gov't, and that the action has been taken for the reasons mentioned in the tweet when in fact it's a technical detail/mirror of EU regs.
Just nonsense from the #FBPE lot again tbh.

Best for Britain is one of Gina Miller's vehicles.

I always thought it would have been better used as a campaign for a Great Britain (well, UK) football team back when George was at the peak of his powers.

Multiply the price per litre by 4.5 (within engineering accuracy) to get price per gallon.

Then divide by your mpg and you've got fuel cost per mile.

If your answer is <10p you are doing very well!

JohnLilburne said:

Anabobazina said:

BlancheLivermore said:

Anabobazina said:

RH1992 said:

Anabobazina said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume this has been discussed.

Petrol prices have hit a record high across the UK in what the RAC has described as a "truly dark day for drivers".

The average daily price per litre hit 142.94p on Sunday in data reported on Monday morning by RAC/Experian Catalist, which is separate from the weekly average record price reported by government.

https://news.sky.com/story/truly-dark-day-for-drivers-as-petrol-prices-hit-record-high-in-uk-12444079

I know @tlg86 believes the Tory victory in 2015 was down in part to falling petrol prices.

I have never understood why fuel consumption is measured in mpg but prices quoted in litres. It just means I'm never arsed to convert it, so never really know how much my fuel costs. Why not forced the petrol stations to quote in price per gallon? It would make life much simpler.

Tbh I'd rather consumption is measured in litres per 100 miles (metric countries use l/100 km rather than kilometres per litre).

I struggle with imperial measurements apart from the few areas of daily life in which it's used such as driving distances and speed, height in ft and in and weight in stone because my school didn't bother to teach anything but metric.

Sure, I can see the case for that, but at least make it consistent. The current system, whereby consumption is mpg and fuel priced per litre is needlessly complicated. Why?

Don't all cars have an onboard computer that you can set to either these days?

I've never checked mine, maybe. But then presumably you'd have to have l/km – when we don't use km for roads in this country, nor for mileage allowances at work, so again it requires conversion (not to mention the fact that all cars are rated in mpg so you'd again have to convert to compare vehicles). Why not just have one consistent system?

The metric measure is l/100km not km/l so it's an inverted measurement. Not an easy calculation and smaller numbers are better, not bigger.

Once understood it makes more sense though and much easier to work out prices. If you use miles over km it can still work the same way.

Using 6 litres at £1.42 per litre to drive 100 miles is a cost of £8.52 while 5.5 litres to drive 100 miles is £7.81.

No multiplication and division around 4.54 as at present.