Corbyn Supporters have cooked his goose – politicalbetting.com
Getting Jeremy Corbyn back into the Parliamentary Labour Party is the top aim for his supporters but, I believe the way they have conducted their campaign in Brighton last week, has made it impossible for Keir Starmer to restore the Labour Whip.
Then iirc he can't stand in the People's Republic of Islington and it's goodbye...
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The only option remaining for the Corbynistas is to leave and set up their own party. There would be some short-term pain for Labour, but long-term gain. The organisational abilities of the Corbynistas suggest that things would not run particularly smoothly for Momentum-Labour.
20 years ago I reported a car crashing in to a house. Called the police from a payphone. The police arrived on the scene and somehow concluded that I crashed the car. They invented a story that there were witnesses that saw me crash the car. They said that I had refused medical treatment when offered. I just reacted in disbelief and got furious with them. They didn't arrest me, but they never conceded that they had made an error, they just told me to get lost. I started giving them a lecture about how the whole experience was making me lose my trust in democratic society, they just laughed at me.
History suggests that though the left are very bad at winning elections, and usually actively don't want to (like now), enough of them like the buzz of mainstream attention to keep them in a party that could be in power one day.
History also suggests that the power of the name 'Labour' is immense. Its power saw off giants in the SDP days, compared with whom today's lot are infants. Labour is still the No. 2 UK party, while a younger generation asks "Roy Who?"; "Shirley Who?"
So splitting (sadly) is unlikely. SKS's big challenge, and which Tories would fear, would be to so reconstitute the party that, keeping the name 'Labour' it sheds the union association, the socialist and loony association and became a boring safe competent social democratic party called Labour.
I'd have thought a major problem is that some of the most intense Corbyn supporters are the ones who are not as lifelong supporters of Labour. I've always found that odd as Corbyn I have no doubt considers being Labour a core part of his identity, why he stuck with it all this time even though for most of it he was somewhat of an outsider to the powerbrokers of the party.
But I wonder if one of the impacts is thus while they might say or believe they want what Corbyn wants, him back in the parliamentary party, the more, erm, vocal and expressive don't take that to heart and can take counter productive actions as a result.
I remember the 2016 coup, the 2009/10 coup led by 'Buff' Hoon and Patricia Hewitt.
Can add the 2021 coup.
Ironically the only coup to have succeeded was the 2006 one that ousted Blair, the only Labour leader to have won a general election in the last 47 years and counting.
These things happen, it has to be a sustained lead across all the leadership questions/ratings (and closer to the election) for me to get excited.
one of the questions you asked, is there Pornification, your word implies new direction, rather than thing older even than Susannah and the elders? Or is it our technological renaissance enables preexisting chauvinism and voyeurism, into a quite new dilemma?
[insert story of Suffragette leader reimagined by pre Raphaelite painter as a nude (as a gentlemen’s club commission) I know is out there but once again can’t find] and ask:
Is the patriarchal really encoded into DNA, so only through the most acute nurture the resultant gentlemen triumphs over his inner arrogant sex pest?
Men survey women before treating them. Consequently how a woman appears to a man can determine how she will be treated. Is Berger True today? will it always be true? Is it Something to change? Are we (hopefully) living a zeitgeist that can awake to something previously ignored, and achieve change?
We shall see if that makes a difference
He only needs to wait for five others to move on before he can be Father of the House though
As to Corbyn, Brexit found him out. A lifelong committed anti EU Brexiteer it was not convenient for him politically to campaign for the left socialist anti EU case. So he didn't. And it made him look terrible.
“I’m the labour candidate”
“Will you take the whip?”
What does it mean to be the “labour candidate” if you are not part of the labour parliamentary party
I'm surprised Starmer has stayed so firm on it, but I whilst admittedly I don't know the labrynthe internal rules of the Labour party, it's not unherd of for someone to be a party member but not be part of a council grouping for example, and the group can often technically have some say.
If it works well I've got one that's about three times bigger I'm going to cook for a Halloween party. I might need a bigger oven!
I think Starmer had previously stuffed him.
But we all knew he was a turkey.
Most UK voters are moderate centrists (a fact which has been repeatedly ignored in the ludicrous heat of the Remain/Brexit debate in which two moderate sides have tended to see each other as extreme). Under SKS Labour have a chance to be heard again as part of that moderate centrist debate.
As kle4 points out, there are councillors elected on one ticket or another who fall out with their colleagues - they don't thereby become un-councillors or ineligible for reselection. Personally, I think Starmer should have a "unity amnesty" and sweep up readmitting diverse people who defected from Labour under Corbyn and let them back in at the same time as readmitting him to the whip - people have got the point that Starmer isn't Corbyn and this stuff is just a tiresome distraction.
Priscilla Presley: "Thanks, I just had it stuffed!"
If he does, then we can be sure it’s not worth watching.
Starmer needs to go much much further.
You have to get rid of them all or they can metastasise and come back even harder.
"I abhor what was done in the North East under Thatcher's regime, it was a terrible thing. She dismantled the economy of the North East out of spite, it was working fine for generations on a very simple basis, namely this - you get a harness on a Northerner you can get a lot of work done. Now that is a fact."
I love his twitter profile pronouns - "one, one's"
‘Drunk Turkish man spends hours helping search party hunting for missing person without realising he's the one they are looking for’
These are not the kind of people the Labour Party wants knocking on doors asking people for their vote. Nor do they have any interest in the Labour Party if they are so easily swayed to go and campaign against it as so many have them have done pre-2015.
I do not understand how you are so caught up in this. These people are not "the left". They are entryists trying to destroy your party - a good and true party.
Agreed with your premier post NOT because I like Corbyn, never could and never can stand the Yard Gnome With the Clenched Fist.
What I like is your agreement with NPxMP's assessment of JC's personal vote in his constituency.
Which of course is influenced somewhat by Nick's partiality for Corbyn - a faith that passeth understanding in my view - but is also buttressed by actual contact with Isslington voters.
And am sure few PBers doubt that Mr Palmer is an experienced, assiduous & highly effective door-to-door canvasser and chatter-upper of likely voters!
If No Time To Die tops this then I'll be a very happy man.
I vote Labour, for decent local candidates, in local elections but not general elections. The anti-semitism thing makes me wonder whether I am complicit in an anti-semitic movement even with the limited support I give them. I would be sorry to come to that conclusion as there are some good people in Labour round here.
But it is telling that in Cumbria there are four seats (out of 6) that ought to be Labour (Copeland, Workington, Barrow, Carlisle), and all have been, and none currently are. It's not just me.
Can we bring back Martin Campbell for the next one? He saved Bond twice, Goldeneye and Casino Royale
It's unfair of me, but I just can't stand Owen Jones.
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And we’ll also feel that way when Justin, formerly of this parish, says something similar and then constantly votes Labour after all.
Isn't that kind of thing part of the problem?
2) Corbyn had been accused of antisemitism and IRA support but he was so irrelevant nobody really cared
3) Corbyn hadn’t flat out lied about an outside agency to deflect blame from a highly critical report, having agreed not to do something twattish like that.
Corbyn's history and views were well know even in the New Labour era.
Corbyn has had his suspension and served his time.
All expelling him would do would be to send more leftwingers from Labour to the Greens
Yes, and he was irrelevant. He was a minor figure who kept himself vaguely relevant by stroking the androgynous zones of the far left. He is no longer irrelevant.
He was suspended. The suspension was to be withdrawn on his accepting the report and showing contrition for his past misdeeds. Instead, he behaved like you on being shown proof positive you are wrong on a point of geography. He didn’t so much double as sextuple down. Including by telling a number of utterly transparent lies about political influence on the report.
Starmer therefore kept the whip withdrawn. And will do so for good, I suspect.
In the PLP he would no doubt occasionally attract some bad publicity, but mostly he would be an impotent visible symbol of Starmers hegemony, as a sort of vassal presence.
He might even be useful if given a role that suits his talents as an agitator, as long as it is a million miles away from anything to do with the Middle East.
If some of the card carrying lefties remain in the party by GE time, loudly and repeatedly ask Labour members all over the country please to not go and campaign for Jeremy Corbyn, keep a close eye on the Corbyn campaign, and then expel the lot of them for opposing a Labour candidate.
Indeed, Corbyn should consider running for Mayor. He might well win.
But the vain old fool was too vain to even do that. Probably for the best.
I'm pretty sure it needs to be a hot curry though, otherwise the squash would be too sweet.
I got the idea from a US cooking site I happened to find that had a recipe for cooking a Halloween chilli inside a pumpkin
Is that right?