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This really does get the flavour of the evening.
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The killer line.
http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/gaza-its-time-to-stop-the-toleration-of-injustice/
The number of constituents who are either Jewish or Muslim is very small, but quite a lot of people are worried about it - certainly more than express any view on Scotland.
My election predictor "The Lambert & Butler Election quantifier (Pony Juice derivitive) Southend on Sea schedule with 6,852 runs" now only shows the chance of a Tory Majority at 2,102%, Chance of Tory most seats 2,549%, Chance of Labour most seats 0.00000000000001%, chance of Labour majority 0%. Of course like any good election predictor, there will be one huge effing swing in it's results to whatever the polls say in the last few weeks and I will declare it as being very successful.
Ed is Crap!....Basil is knackered. Onward young squirrel, there is a long way to go.
Sorry, I'm just blethering, drunk and Darling win happy.
While I admit I must give credence to you Lambert and Butler filter from past experience - I have still got most of a-
PINOT GRIGIO to go.
Amittedly that's not a polling filter - it's just in my fridge - but y'know - Lagershed.
Timestamp - 2300
Alistair Darling has done well, a points victory and he was scoring heavy, telling blows in the clip that Mike's linked to. No knockout blow but Salmond was on the ropes there.
He's right though on selling weapons to Israel,cameron should have brought this up first,now it looks like he's been pushed into it.
30% of Jews were Tory in 2010 too http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/2010/political-leanings-of-britains-jews/
Hindus and Jews are the voters Cameron needs and he knows it, neither are pro Hamas
your man Sawford looks a shoe in at Corby.
http://www.easyodds.com/online-betting/specials/politics/uk-politics-odds/uk-general-election-constituency-betting/corby
Everton looking good for this season,your manager is one of the best for me.
Brilliant piece.
*not exactly sure....don't even know if he is African to tell the truth.
Don't get me wrong, I do admire him but I am aware of his many faults and I certainly wouldn't vote for him.
"Be careful what you wish for..."
'He should be in the Middle East, not the UK': Peace envoy Tony Blair blasted for throwing surprise birthday party for wife Cherie's 60th at their £6million mansion - as Gaza death toll passes 1,050
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706941/He-Middle-East-not-UK-Peace-envoy-Tony-Blair-blasted-throwing-surprise-birthday-party-wife-Cheries-60th-6million-mansion-Gaza-death-toll-passes-1-000.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10761625/Ed-Milibands-hope-to-be-Britains-first-Jewish-PM.html
And secondly, you describe Hamas missile attacks on Israel as "intermittent". According to wikipedia, the numbers for the last few years are -
2008 - 1575
2009 - 569
2010 - 152
2011 - 419
2012 - 2221
2013 - 52
2014 (so far) - 3055
Bearing these numbers in mind - just how many rockets do they have to fire before you're prepared to describe it as "frequent"?
"the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim)." and
"[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.” From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers?"
It is worth reading the Hamas charter in full. It is chilling. I'm sure you are genuine in your concern for the innocents killed. But don't be naive.
We sought to intervene in Syria because Assad was an awful dictator doing dreadful things to his people. Then we learnt more about those fighting him and realised that there were groups worse than him and now the clamour from the West to get rid of him has stopped as we realised that ISIS and others would be very worse for the Syrians and for us.
It is easy to criticise Israel and it can be justified but I think that if it is abandoned not only will we have another genocide of Jews on our hands but the plight of Palestinians, Muslim and Christians, will - in the hands of groups like Hamas and others - be even worse than now. Nor will it be any good for us.
Figures from Al jezeera showed that the Palestinian deaths were overwhelmingly bmale of military age.
You were hardly wringing your hands when Hamas were firing rockets from behind a scrurity wall of women and children
The only way Israel could avoid being 'disproportionate' was to do the square root of bugger all and sit inder a shower of rockets and raids from tunnels.
And the reason i find you disgusting is that you say -- 'instead of adopting a pose of detached mock-neutrality, we should work actively to promote the two-state solution that most reasonable politicians on all sides has supported for the last 40 years. ' -- what a slimy statement that is -
- first you ascribe a perjorative meaning to a supposed govt policy which is not the govts policy.
- second you seek to deny what the govt policy actually is, which in fact a 2 state policy, and the reality of it doing its best to prompote it.
You totally misrepresent the tories than attack them.
You are a disgrace, a typical socialist disgrace - no wonder SeanT laps you up.
Agree what was said earlier about Martinez, as well as being a quality manager he seems a really decent bloke too.
When he supported Israels attack against Lebanon in July 2006 it certainly seemed to be the final straw with a lot of Labour MP's - Brown's "bloodless coup" took place in September 2006, after which Blair was effectively finished.
I doubt Cameron will face similar problems tho...
I did not vote Livingstone because he cosied up to people like that. I would not vote for a Tory party that cosied up to the BNP or to voters who hated blacks or Jews or gays. And I would not vote for a Labour party that cosied up to Islamists. There are certain things that are more important than tax rates.
Basil, turn the light of and mind the nets.
Slightly puzzled by Graun's post debate ICM that gave the win to Darling, however in the straight indy q they also showed a 4% swing to Yes (Y-47%/N-53%). Would Salmond trouncing Darling have produced a bigger swing?
SeanT, Moniker, Nigel: thanks!
Flightpath: ? We seem to live on different planets, so I'll wish you good night.
Palestinian children are worthy of the West's sentimentalising grief but Israeli children killed are not. Cameron is criticised for not doing something. But the Leader of the Opposition has nothing to say about the rise in attacks on Jews in this country or the fact that people demonstrate in London about "peace" while holding banners saying that Hitler was right, about which there have been plenty of reports in the papers.
Sometimes the choice is between the bad and the truly awful. Too many are willing to to focus on the bad but overlook the crimes of the truly awful.
More tellingly the audience were not at all convinced by Salmond's responses.
Assume the people who booed him will "rue the day"?
And on 4 August Cameron said that it was right to describe the attack on a school in Gaza where children were sheltering "a moral outrage" and told Israel that it was "wrong and illegal" to target civilians.
What he's not prepared to do, though, is let Hamas off the hook.
Hamas Israel
January 22 0
February 9 0
March 65 1
April 19 0
May 4 0
June 62 0
The data is slightly frustrating as it shows all rocket attacks from Hamas, but only people killed in Israeli response - I'm assuming that given the SeanT thesis that the Israelis are a bunch of merciless baby killers, that most of their attacks are lethal and so the death rate is a reasonable approximation for actual strikes. The data breaks down somewhat for July, when the total for both sides goes off the chart.
This pattern broadly holds for previous years BTW - Israel attempting to ignore a low level of attacks until some sort of psychological threshold is crossed and they go all out. So yes, I would describe it as intermittent, but intense in contrast to the steady drumbeat of Hamas attacks.
" if Hamas weren't a bunch of f*cking Nazis"
Maybe Hamas should go for the ghetto option, the same as in Warsaw?
I hear it the idea finds favour with some other countries?
How many Palestinians have been killed by Netanyahu this year?
You are, I feel, naive about who Hamas are and what they want to do. I am troubled by the very aggressive stance Israel is taking - not least because it is counterproductive - but in the choice between Israel, for all its faults, and Islamists such as Hamas I am most definitely not on the side of the Islamists. They are the enemy of the West and of all the liberal, democratic and free world values that I hold dear.
Hamas Israel
January 22 0
February 9 0
March 65 1
April 19 0
May 4 0
June 62 0
The data is slightly frustrating as it shows all rocket attacks from Hamas, but only people killed in Israeli response - I'm assuming that given the SeanT thesis that the Israelis are a bunch of merciless baby killers, that most of their attacks are lethal and so the death rate is a reasonable approximation for actual strikes. The data breaks down somewhat for July, when the total for both sides goes off the chart.
This pattern broadly holds for previous years BTW - Israel attempting to ignore a low level of attacks until some sort of psychological threshold is crossed and they go all out. So yes, I would describe it as intermittent, but intense in contrast to the steady drumbeat of Hamas attacks.
How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas this year?
How many Palestinians have been killed by Netanyahu this year?
I'll repeat as you seem to have missed it -
So are you saying we should let Hamas off wanting to commit genocide because they haven't proved very good at it? Yet?
Anyway, early flight tomorrow, so I'll call it a night. Thanks for the feedback.
Consider:
Circumcision
Fear of Pork and other dietary codes
Writing from right to left
What were those words again? 'adopting' 'pose' 'mock' 'neutrality' - shameful words which bear no relation to the govts stance - yet its you that pontificates from your moral high horse. What a sham. Vote for you? Don't make me laugh.
Well said cyclefree for reminding SeanT about how totally bogus his words are.
I have in previous threads condemned unreservedly those in Israel who talk in the ways you have described. And there are plenty of people in Israel who have equally condemned this.
There is no-one that I am aware of within the Hamas leadership or in Fatah or in ISIS or in Islamic Jihad or in Hizbollah which has condemned the clearly expressed desire of those organisations to kill every Jew not just in Palestine but everywhere in the world.
Islamists are the enemy of freedom and liberal democracy, whether in the Middle East or the West. I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. But there we are.
Off to bed now. Thanks all for the debate.
If you really want to know what Israel thinks of the Two state solution look at what they are doing in the West Bank - which incidently has done its best to abide by the peace plan and has been thoroughly screwed over for it. The land grabs and new settlements make a mockery of any claims Israel might have that they want a viable Palestinian state. They don't.
Your defence of the murder of hundreds of innocent civilians by indiscriminate shelling and your attempts to pretend it is not happening is sickening and proves what a disgusting individual you are.