Another post-BoJo quarantine U-turn poll sees CON below 40% and LAB within 4% – politicalbetting.com
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anti-vax lunacy thread:
Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.
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I know this has historically been discussed a lot, and occasionally raised since Covid, but is anyone doing anything other than internet polling at the moment. I feel sure that internet polling will be overstating pro restriction/lockdown opinion recently unless finding a way to moderate for it. Obviously not to the same extent when everyone was confined to their homes for long periods.Cocky_cockney said:
Apart from the gibberish geek-speak of your 'declining internals' (argh that is one of the worst I've read in an age) this is such a ridiculous post. You've just seen two big lead declines (YouGov and Survation) to 4%. If Opinium is on 8% that's not out of kilter.CarlottaVance said:CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037
I think a poll crash is certainly in process
Opinium @OpiniumResearch
The latest Opinium & @ObserverUK poll shows the @Conservatives
maintaining an 8-point lead over @UKLabour
.
The Conservatives have retained this lead for 3 polls in a row.
One does wonder, with all these declining internals, how poor the opposition must be not to be able to shift the overall voting intention....
And your same poll has just posted up big declines for Johnson's favourability. A 10% drop in support for the Government, the sharpest decline since May.
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037?s=20
Almost by definition, risk averse individuals are far more likely to be at home completing internet polls at the moment. And if Covid risk averseness doesn't obviously mirror other weighting factors then this could represent a serious issue for polling.0 -
I love Naples, for all its many many flaws. Magnificent food.Cyclefree said:
If it suits you, who am I to argue. It is not very Italian though. And why not pasta? Chips would seem too heavy for me.kinabalu said:
Are YOU ok with my thing for carbonara and chips?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
Can't explain South Asia. My brother lived there. I have only ever travelled round IndiaLeon said:
I thought home was south Asia for some reason. Or West Hampstead? It is Naples?Cyclefree said:
Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.BlancheLivermore said:
Can you get fresh clams?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
I am half-Neapolitan. (Other half is Irish). Spent a large part of my childhood there. Italian is my first language. All my early memories are of Naples so, yes, at a visceral level it is home.
Lived in Hampstead & West Hampstead for very many years. Also Brixton.
Now living in the Lakes where, despite being thousands of miles away, next to the North Sea, in a region known for its rain, which sometimes comes in horizontally, and occasionally fierce winds, I am obstinately growing oranges, lemons, clementines, figs and a vine on my terrace. So far the summer weather has been kind.
I can see the sea from my window so it is not so unlike Naples where seeing the sea, going down to it, playing in the park next to it, staring at the fishermen drawing their nets in and at the small motoscafi bringing in contraband cigarettes was a constant.
There is something liberating and tempting about being able to see the sea.
I even like the inner city slums - the Spanish Quarters are so atmospheric
The outer slums where the Camorra reign are less appealing1 -
We once thought we were being clever by growing mint in a drawer from an otherwise abandoned chest of drawers, but the mint escaped into the neighbouring lawn to do battle with the wild raspberry canes we'd recklessly rescued from a Bracknell park. Still, at least the person who bought the house from us had a thriving plum tree to enjoy.Cyclefree said:
Whatever you do don't grow the mint in the ground. It's a thug, will take over and you'll never get rid of it. Always grow in a pot.BlancheLivermore said:
I'm growing three kinds of courgette and two kinds of mint!Cyclefree said:
Spaghetti con olive e capperi. Pasta with olives and capers - a staple of my childhood. Spaghetti with olive oil, olives (stoned) obviously and capers and seasoning to taste.BlancheLivermore said:@Cyclefree is there an Italian pasta dish with an anchovy mayonnaise kind of sauce? If not there should be. Very cheap and easy to make.
Puttanesca sauce has tomatoes, olives and anchovies.
In summer my two favourites are lemon sauce (Amalfi lemons) or courgettes and mint. Cut up the courgettes very finely into something resembling matchsticks. Lightly and quickly stir fry with some olive oil then mix with pasta and lots of fresh mint from your garden. Delicious!
Courgettes flowers in batter - oh my!0 -
Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.
Sajid Javid
@sajidjavid
Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.0 -
Indeed, but from the same articlercs1000 said:He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.
Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.
The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.
And still some people here are cheering for it...0 -
Quite some spin from Devi in response to Javid's tweet:
This must be painful to read for those who were severely ill & for those who lost loved ones to COVID. It wasn’t because they were weak- just unnecessarily exposed to a virus. And wanting to avoid getting COVID isn’t ‘cowering’- it’s being sensible & looking out for others.
https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1419028469514752003?s=20
She appears to be objecting to this: "Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus."
Is her objection to people getting vaccinated?
Or that we will have to live with COVID?
She was a Zero COVID fan, then argued "zero didn't mean zero".....1 -
Ipsos MORI definitely and some Survation polls have been phone polls.alex_ said:
I know this has historically been discussed a lot, and occasionally raised since Covid, but is anyone doing anything other than internet polling at the moment. I feel sure that internet polling will be overstating pro restriction/lockdown opinion recently unless finding a way to moderate for it. Obviously not to the same extent when everyone was confined to their homes for long periods.Cocky_cockney said:
Apart from the gibberish geek-speak of your 'declining internals' (argh that is one of the worst I've read in an age) this is such a ridiculous post. You've just seen two big lead declines (YouGov and Survation) to 4%. If Opinium is on 8% that's not out of kilter.CarlottaVance said:CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037
I think a poll crash is certainly in process
Opinium @OpiniumResearch
The latest Opinium & @ObserverUK poll shows the @Conservatives
maintaining an 8-point lead over @UKLabour
.
The Conservatives have retained this lead for 3 polls in a row.
One does wonder, with all these declining internals, how poor the opposition must be not to be able to shift the overall voting intention....
And your same poll has just posted up big declines for Johnson's favourability. A 10% drop in support for the Government, the sharpest decline since May.
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037?s=20
Almost by definition, risk averse individuals are far more likely to be at home completing internet polls at the moment. And if Covid risk averseness doesn't obviously mirror other weighting factors then this could represent a serious issue for polling.0 -
LAB will be ahead soon in the polls. It's called mid term.
Let's see what happens at the GE. 👍👍👍👍1 -
Yup - that's why the 'Red wall' never happened........CorrectHorseBattery said:
What annoys me is that people screaming out against "London" don't seem to think that there are working class people in London. Some of the poverty in London is the worst anywhere in Europe, I utterly despise this idea some people are more deserving than others.RochdalePioneers said:
It depends on how you define class. I'm painfully middle class but have worked like a dog to get where I am. When you're carrying everyone's jobs on your shoulders you are working are you not?TheScreamingEagles said:
I absolutely detest people who pretend they are not posh, those people are nearly as bad as middle class people saying they are working class.Stuartinromford said:
Two possibilities for starters-CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418944731434913803
This is utterly terrifying? I am all for tackling the obesity epidemic but this kind of approach seems totally unjustifiable. What happened to Johnson the liberal?
First, the plan has been leaked to destroy it, a bit like the NI for Social Care scheme.
Second, Carrie has put Boris back on a diet and he doesn't see why anyone else should have a nice time eating unhealthy food if he can't.
But ultimately... Liberal BoJo was just another costume to wear when it seemed convenient and discard when it wasn't.
Talking of which, Dom Cummings's latest Twitter outpourings are fascinating to students of human misery. (Especially his "I'm Not Posh" denials.) He's not quite acknowledged that he's been exploited and outsmarted by the Bozza, but it's clearly coming...)
Terrible, terrible people.
Its like the frankly overblown faux outrage aimed at @StuartDickson earlier. Are we saying that there are only certain jobs that count as working class? Perhaps if you work in a factory and show aptitude for people and processes and end up as management you have to hand in your WC badge?
I vote Labour to give a better life to all people, I don't like the Tory approach of putting communities against each other. New Labour levelled up the country all over, that's the right approach3 -
What an absolutely bizarre reading. Did you mean to post some other tweet of his to support that comic re-interpretation? Mere use of the word cower hardly does it.Theuniondivvie said:Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.
Sajid Javid
@sajidjavid
Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.4 -
And they're off!
Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....
Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?
https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1419031354268917760?s=20
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But are even phone polls going to be able to pick up anti lockdown sentiment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ipsos MORI definitely and some Survation polls have been phone polls.alex_ said:
I know this has historically been discussed a lot, and occasionally raised since Covid, but is anyone doing anything other than internet polling at the moment. I feel sure that internet polling will be overstating pro restriction/lockdown opinion recently unless finding a way to moderate for it. Obviously not to the same extent when everyone was confined to their homes for long periods.Cocky_cockney said:
Apart from the gibberish geek-speak of your 'declining internals' (argh that is one of the worst I've read in an age) this is such a ridiculous post. You've just seen two big lead declines (YouGov and Survation) to 4%. If Opinium is on 8% that's not out of kilter.CarlottaVance said:CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037
I think a poll crash is certainly in process
Opinium @OpiniumResearch
The latest Opinium & @ObserverUK poll shows the @Conservatives
maintaining an 8-point lead over @UKLabour
.
The Conservatives have retained this lead for 3 polls in a row.
One does wonder, with all these declining internals, how poor the opposition must be not to be able to shift the overall voting intention....
And your same poll has just posted up big declines for Johnson's favourability. A 10% drop in support for the Government, the sharpest decline since May.
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037?s=20
Almost by definition, risk averse individuals are far more likely to be at home completing internet polls at the moment. And if Covid risk averseness doesn't obviously mirror other weighting factors then this could represent a serious issue for polling.0 -
I see Katie Hopkins was speaking there too.rottenborough said:anti-vax lunacy thread:
Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1418915810416934915
I think the way the thought process goes is like this: people I don't like are in favour of the vaccine, and I should therefore not like the vaccines.
Of course, how can anyone dislike the vaccines when they come up with songs like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VI3q4T-1Jc&ab_channel=TheVaccinesVEVO0 -
Agreed. It is a fascinating city. Its history is a microcosm of European history - the Greeks, Romans, Normans, French, Spanish Bourbons, the English and, finally, the Germans and and Americans have all tried to take the place over, some with more success than others.Leon said:
I love Naples, for all its many many flaws. Magnificent food.Cyclefree said:
If it suits you, who am I to argue. It is not very Italian though. And why not pasta? Chips would seem too heavy for me.kinabalu said:
Are YOU ok with my thing for carbonara and chips?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
Can't explain South Asia. My brother lived there. I have only ever travelled round IndiaLeon said:
I thought home was south Asia for some reason. Or West Hampstead? It is Naples?Cyclefree said:
Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.BlancheLivermore said:
Can you get fresh clams?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
I am half-Neapolitan. (Other half is Irish). Spent a large part of my childhood there. Italian is my first language. All my early memories are of Naples so, yes, at a visceral level it is home.
Lived in Hampstead & West Hampstead for very many years. Also Brixton.
Now living in the Lakes where, despite being thousands of miles away, next to the North Sea, in a region known for its rain, which sometimes comes in horizontally, and occasionally fierce winds, I am obstinately growing oranges, lemons, clementines, figs and a vine on my terrace. So far the summer weather has been kind.
I can see the sea from my window so it is not so unlike Naples where seeing the sea, going down to it, playing in the park next to it, staring at the fishermen drawing their nets in and at the small motoscafi bringing in contraband cigarettes was a constant.
There is something liberating and tempting about being able to see the sea.
I even like the inner city slums - the Spanish Quarters are so atmospheric
The outer slums where the Camorra reign are less appealing
My family arrived there in the 16th century from Spain at about the same time as the Spanish quarter got named after all the Spanish soldiers who arrived. The family name - and many of the family's Christian names - are Spanish to this day.0 -
This just isn't true, Scott, and until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosisScott_xP said:
Indeed, but from the same articlercs1000 said:He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.
Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.
The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.
And still some people here are cheering for it...
I'll spell it out for you one more time. Cummings is a kind of revolutionary. He believes the British state was locked into permanent stagnation, favouring one class over all the others - the London Remainer class, essentially. He felt that this was wrong, and that the UK was never going to reform in the radical way needed until it was released from the anti-democratic structures of the EU. To succeed in this reform, Brexit was not necessary - but not sufficient. Hence his later frustration with Boris - not radical enough.
You can disagree with this, but this is what he sincerely believed - and believes. He didn't do Brexit to "fuck over people" - tho he surely enjoyed winning as an underdog - who wouldn't? He thinks Brexit is a good idea, still. As he said in his Laura K interview.4 -
Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
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My point was more comparing him to Wavell and the Auck in North Africa. Both of them faced the Germans when they were massively better supplied, and without the benefits of knowing almost exactly when and where Rommel would strike.Leon said:
He admitted he had a tired, knackered British army, still suffering, psychologically, from World War 1. And he was probably rightrcs1000 said:
What always annoyed me about Monty is that he never really acknowledged how lucky he was compared to his predecessors in North Africa.ydoethur said:
My grandfather would have been a Brexiteer, had he lived, but he would have been far more cutting about Monty than any Remainer.Carnyx said:
Ssh. You'll trigger the Brexiteers.ydoethur said:
Monty not perhaps being the best strategist himself, of course...TheScreamingEagles said:Ok I now believe in ghosts.
I mean only the ghost of Monty could be behind this.
https://twitter.com/ArmyJew/status/1418877863634382853
Edit - Definitely the Ghost of Monty.
https://twitter.com/ArmyJew/status/1418882831577714694
He had a German army denuded of fuel and essential supplies, plus all the enigma decrypts. And he just did "ok".
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The thing is, in 1966, the whole of the UK was cheering the England team, so the victory really was "our" collective victory. Look at the footage of the time - all Union Jacks.Carnyx said:
I think a lot of PBers miss the point about the footie.
It was the BBC saying ad infinitum "Our victory in 1966", rinse and repeat for half a century.
That really drove home, in a very easily understood way, the fact that for the BBC England = UK and Scotland was not considered. And as the BBNC was the UK State Broadcaster, so ...
It was simply that football was much more widely followed - ergo more mentions - and understood than almost anything else that could have been picked.
And it wasn't just the UK cheering, the Republic of Ireland was fascinated and awed, the England team actually toured Ireland in the wake of the victory and were met with loads of enthusiastic fans. And then Jack Charlton became the Irish national team coach who managed to get them to qualify for the 1990 World Cup, which made him an adopted Irish hero.
This business of "1966 was a purely English victory that is being shoved down our throats" is a revision of history that started about a decade ago.3 -
Ok, stop crouching down in fear any better for ye?kle4 said:
What an absolutely bizarre reading. Did you mean to post some other tweet of his to support that comic re-interpretation? Mere use of the word cower hardly does it.Theuniondivvie said:Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.
Sajid Javid
@sajidjavid
Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.
cower
/ˈkaʊə/
verb
gerund or present participle: cowering
crouch down in fear.
"children cowered in terror as the shoot-out erupted"
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Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?2 -
I'm not outraged by his tweet, if I got outraged at every sanctimonious utterance from a politician I'd go mad. I do think the word cowering is stupid. Saj's symptoms were thankfully mild but if that were me I'd look at other people who have caught COVID and think there but for the grace of God. Trying to avoid catching the virus isn't cowering. I caught the bus into Cambridge today for a bite to eat and some shopping but I wore my face mask, sanitised my hands and tried to keep my distance from other people.CarlottaVance said:And they're off!
Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....
Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?
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More looney tunes. This one is an ex-nurse:rcs1000 said:
I see Katie Hopkins was speaking there too.rottenborough said:anti-vax lunacy thread:
Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1418915810416934915
I think the way the thought process goes is like this: people I don't like are in favour of the vaccine, and I should therefore not like the vaccines.
Of course, how can anyone dislike the vaccines when they come up with songs like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VI3q4T-1Jc&ab_channel=TheVaccinesVEVO
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/14189653910035087360 -
Just been asked to do a You Gov survey. When I entered my birth month it told me I was ineligible to take part. WTF is that all about.....0
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I think he (or whoever wrote it) probably meant to say "be cowed by it" rather than "cower from it"...Stereodog said:
I'm not outraged by his tweet, if I got outraged at every sanctimonious utterance from a politician I'd go mad. I do think the word cowering is stupid. Saj's symptoms were thankfully mild but if that were me I'd look at other people who have caught COVID and think there but for the grace of God. Trying to avoid catching the virus isn't cowering. I caught the bus into Cambridge today for a bite to eat and some shopping but I wore my face mask, sanitised my hands and tried to keep my distance from other people.CarlottaVance said:And they're off!
Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....
Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?
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Parker Knoll?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
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You think there are 17.4 million psychopaths in the UK? I'm surprised you're brave enough to leave your house...Scott_xP said:
I'm not the one who has to assuage his guilt for enabling the psychopaths of Brexit.Leon said:until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosis
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If it’s anything like the last one ‘Smuggy McSmugface’ would be a better suggestion.rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?1 -
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I'm organising an anti-mask demo tomorrow.
I've advised everyone attending that to avoid being identified by the authorities they should cover their faces.9 -
ydoethur said:
If it’s anything like the last one ‘Smuggy McSmugface’ would be a better suggestion.rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
I thought he had to leave because he'd been rumbled as really being Wokey McWokeface? 1 -
Chipendale?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
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ROFL 🤣SandyRentool said:I'm organising an anti-mask demo tomorrow.
I've advised everyone attending that to avoid being identified by the authorities they should cover their faces.2 -
I suspect some commentators are disappointed that their predictions of soaring cases have not (yet) come to pass - so they have to complain about something- one word in a tweet will do.kle4 said:
What an absolutely bizarre reading. Did you mean to post some other tweet of his to support that comic re-interpretation? Mere use of the word cower hardly does it.Theuniondivvie said:Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.
Sajid Javid
@sajidjavid
Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.
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So much for nurses having degrees....remember this when people talk about x is supported by the more educatedrottenborough said:anti-vax lunacy thread:
Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/14189158104169349150 -
The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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Attend, surely?Scott_xP said:The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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One thing i wonder about all these floated plans for vaccine passports is where it's going to end. I mean, for one thing, isn't it all going to get undermined if they start booster programmes for certain categories of people? Booster programmes potentially send a message that existing vaccine protection isn't sufficient. But then that implies that those who haven't had a booster are more at risk and/or more of a risk. So does this lead to them having to offer boosters to everyone? And then extending passports to only those having had boosters... etc etc?rottenborough said:Helena Wilkinson
@BBCHelena
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Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday0 -
No, watch. They're going to have jab detector vans driving round to catch people watching the match while unvaccinated.RobD said:
Attend, surely?Scott_xP said:The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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Record-breaking rainfall in India too:Leon said:Terrifying floods in Belgium
You get caught in this, you die
https://twitter.com/NoodweerBenelux/status/1419009595612278786?s=20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57952521
So that's Germany, Benelux, China and India with shitloads of rain in recent weeks.0 -
Making vaccination a pre-requisite for getting Sky Sports would be one way to boost the take up I suppose.RobD said:
Attend, surely?Scott_xP said:The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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It’s B-Sky thinking.williamglenn said:
No, watch. They're going to have jab detector vans driving round to catch people watching the match while unvaccinated.RobD said:
Attend, surely?Scott_xP said:The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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Of the vaccines or Sky sports?Fysics_Teacher said:
Making vaccination a pre-requisite for getting Sky Sports would be one way to boost the take up I suppose.RobD said:
Attend, surely?Scott_xP said:The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.
The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?
I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).0 -
A pedant notes: Irish Sea, not North Sea.Cyclefree said:
If it suits you, who am I to argue. It is not very Italian though. And why not pasta? Chips would seem too heavy for me.kinabalu said:
Are YOU ok with my thing for carbonara and chips?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
Can't explain South Asia. My brother lived there. I have only ever travelled round IndiaLeon said:
I thought home was south Asia for some reason. Or West Hampstead? It is Naples?Cyclefree said:
Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.BlancheLivermore said:
Can you get fresh clams?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
I am half-Neapolitan. (Other half is Irish). Spent a large part of my childhood there. Italian is my first language. All my early memories are of Naples so, yes, at a visceral level it is home.
Lived in Hampstead & West Hampstead for very many years. Also Brixton.
Now living in the Lakes where, despite being thousands of miles away, next to the North Sea, in a region known for its rain, which sometimes comes in horizontally, and occasionally fierce winds, I am obstinately growing oranges, lemons, clementines, figs and a vine on my terrace. So far the summer weather has been kind.
I can see the sea from my window so it is not so unlike Naples where seeing the sea, going down to it, playing in the park next to it, staring at the fishermen drawing their nets in and at the small motoscafi bringing in contraband cigarettes was a constant.
There is something liberating and tempting about being able to see the sea.
I was talking to my parents yesterday about these weird bits of Britain which face south west into the sea where the vegetation is tropical. They had just visited something similar on the Lleyn Peninsula. There are similar locales in West Scotland and South Cornwall.0 -
It is both surely.alex_ said:Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.
The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?
I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).
Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.0 -
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.0 -
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.0 -
On the subject of vaccinations: I was at a County show type event today (lots of tractors on display, cattle and sheep being judged by obscure criteria, hundreds of stalls selling everything a farmer could want or need, etc) and there was a pop-up vaccination centre where anyone who wanted could apparently go in and get a jab. Have people encountered anything similar (the vaccination centres, not the tractors)?0
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The thing is that, whilst Cummings is clearly sincere in his "Britain is in a hole and needs a great man to blow up that hole and liberate us to greatness", it's really not obvious that he's right. Like everywhere else, it's flawed, and some people get a particularly rubbish end of the stick, but British society now is doing a better job of providing a decent life to lots of people than most other times and places.Leon said:
This just isn't true, Scott, and until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosisScott_xP said:
Indeed, but from the same articlercs1000 said:He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.
Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.
The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.
And still some people here are cheering for it...
I'll spell it out for you one more time. Cummings is a kind of revolutionary. He believes the British state was locked into permanent stagnation, favouring one class over all the others - the London Remainer class, essentially. He felt that this was wrong, and that the UK was never going to reform in the radical way needed until it was released from the anti-democratic structures of the EU. To succeed in this reform, Brexit was not necessary - but not sufficient. Hence his later frustration with Boris - not radical enough.
You can disagree with this, but this is what he sincerely believed - and believes. He didn't do Brexit to "fuck over people" - tho he surely enjoyed winning as an underdog - who wouldn't? He thinks Brexit is a good idea, still. As he said in his Laura K interview.
It's not heroic, and that's what smarts for some belivers in the Great Man theory of history, but Switzerland isn't heroic, and who wouldn't rather be like Switzerland? There are no ninjas, no magic levers, no huge reservoir of Untapped National Potential.
And the killer punchline from Matt Chorley's article?
Johnson is, in Cummings’s well-tested eyes, a buffoon. Imagine being outfoxed by that. That’s got to hurt. Because you might not have noticed, and Cummings clearly hasn’t, but in the battle between the great political strategist of our (or indeed any) age and the horny scarecrow who ate a thesaurus, only one of them still wields power.4 -
But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.Philip_Thompson said:
It is both surely.alex_ said:Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.
The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?
I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).
Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
One might also add that the Government have been running "trials" of large scale events which haven't involved compulsory vaccination, the results of which haven't largely been published in detail. If it turned out that things like football matches (being outdoors etc) were not particularly notable "spreader events", then this would be a problem for the govt trying to assert a "public health benefit" defence.
If they think it's essential that everyone gets vaccinated then maybe they should just legislate for it...
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Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.1 -
We have a pop up one in the town centre which seems to be take a seat wait your turnFysics_Teacher said:On the subject of vaccinations: I was at a County show type event today (lots of tractors on display, cattle and sheep being judged by obscure criteria, hundreds of stalls selling everything a farmer could want or need, etc) and there was a pop-up vaccination centre where anyone who wanted could apparently go in and get a jab. Have people encountered anything similar (the vaccination centres, not the tractors)?
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I will assume sarcasm rather than flawed logic.Stuartinromford said:
The thing is that, whilst Cummings is clearly sincere in his "Britain is in a hole and needs a great man to blow up that hole and liberate us to greatness", it's really not obvious that he's right. Like everywhere else, it's flawed, and some people get a particularly rubbish end of the stick, but British society now is doing a better job of providing a decent life to lots of people than most other times and places.Leon said:
This just isn't true, Scott, and until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosisScott_xP said:
Indeed, but from the same articlercs1000 said:He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.
Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.
The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.
And still some people here are cheering for it...
I'll spell it out for you one more time. Cummings is a kind of revolutionary. He believes the British state was locked into permanent stagnation, favouring one class over all the others - the London Remainer class, essentially. He felt that this was wrong, and that the UK was never going to reform in the radical way needed until it was released from the anti-democratic structures of the EU. To succeed in this reform, Brexit was not necessary - but not sufficient. Hence his later frustration with Boris - not radical enough.
You can disagree with this, but this is what he sincerely believed - and believes. He didn't do Brexit to "fuck over people" - tho he surely enjoyed winning as an underdog - who wouldn't? He thinks Brexit is a good idea, still. As he said in his Laura K interview.
It's not heroic, and that's what smarts for some belivers in the Great Man theory of history, but Switzerland isn't heroic, and who wouldn't rather be like Switzerland? There are no ninjas, no magic levers, no huge reservoir of Untapped National Potential.
And the killer punchline from Matt Chorley's article?
Johnson is, in Cummings’s well-tested eyes, a buffoon. Imagine being outfoxed by that. That’s got to hurt. Because you might not have noticed, and Cummings clearly hasn’t, but in the battle between the great political strategist of our (or indeed any) age and the horny scarecrow who ate a thesaurus, only one of them still wields power.1 -
I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I haven’t thought about them for years…0 -
As it's the National Trust why not give it to Dominic Liar?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.1 -
I was...but it’s not going very well.Fysics_Teacher said:
I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I haven’t thought about them for years…0 -
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May1 -
Don't give Gove any more ideas.williamglenn said:
No, watch. They're going to have jab detector vans driving round to catch people watching the match while unvaccinated.RobD said:
Attend, surely?Scott_xP said:The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1
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Me?Cyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May0 -
The courts haven't gotten involved through the pandemic because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but is it targetted coersion?alex_ said:
But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.Philip_Thompson said:
It is both surely.alex_ said:Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.
The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?
I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).
Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
Plus anyway you can't compare mass transit to mass events, since for the entire pandemic mass events have had different rules to mass transit.
If there's to be restrictions then I'd rather they be on the unvaccinated than everyone else. Screw them, they should get their jab rather than put the rest of us back into lockdown.0 -
You think this lot have thought it through to that level?alex_ said:
One thing i wonder about all these floated plans for vaccine passports is where it's going to end. I mean, for one thing, isn't it all going to get undermined if they start booster programmes for certain categories of people? Booster programmes potentially send a message that existing vaccine protection isn't sufficient. But then that implies that those who haven't had a booster are more at risk and/or more of a risk. So does this lead to them having to offer boosters to everyone? And then extending passports to only those having had boosters... etc etc?rottenborough said:Helena Wilkinson
@BBCHelena
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18m
Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday
What seems like five minutes ago the vaccine minister was telling us categorically there would not be vaxports.0 -
Yes, Hove lawns last weekend - in a bus - seemed to be doing steady business.Fysics_Teacher said:On the subject of vaccinations: I was at a County show type event today (lots of tractors on display, cattle and sheep being judged by obscure criteria, hundreds of stalls selling everything a farmer could want or need, etc) and there was a pop-up vaccination centre where anyone who wanted could apparently go in and get a jab. Have people encountered anything similar (the vaccination centres, not the tractors)?
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Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May3 -
Hugh Osmond
@hughosmond
Nightclub bosses ready to take Government to court over Covid vaccine passports
@EssexPR
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No, that would be the National Trust-as-far-as-we-could-throw-him.Benpointer said:
As it's the National Trust why not give it to Dominic Liar?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.2 -
You have previously expressed the view that it wouldn't be necessary to lockdown again. This smacks a bit of the Government not implementing measures to prevent lockdown, but to accommodate public opinion.Philip_Thompson said:
The courts haven't gotten involved through the pandemic because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but is it targetted coersion?alex_ said:
But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.Philip_Thompson said:
It is both surely.alex_ said:Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.
The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?
I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).
Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
Plus anyway you can't compare mass transit to mass events, since for the entire pandemic mass events have had different rules to mass transit.
If there's to be restrictions then I'd rather they be on the unvaccinated than everyone else. Screw them, they should get their jab rather than put the rest of us back into lockdown.0 -
Toby YoungCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
Julia Hartley Brewer
3 -
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May1 -
Well we know they can't think through the impacts on next week, let alone several months hence. More than enough evidence of that. Doesn't stop the rest of us speculating on the future...rottenborough said:
You think this lot have thought it through to that level?alex_ said:
One thing i wonder about all these floated plans for vaccine passports is where it's going to end. I mean, for one thing, isn't it all going to get undermined if they start booster programmes for certain categories of people? Booster programmes potentially send a message that existing vaccine protection isn't sufficient. But then that implies that those who haven't had a booster are more at risk and/or more of a risk. So does this lead to them having to offer boosters to everyone? And then extending passports to only those having had boosters... etc etc?rottenborough said:Helena Wilkinson
@BBCHelena
·
18m
Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday
What seems like five minutes ago the vaccine minister was telling us categorically there would not be vaxports.0 -
I think he'd probably do a good job.rottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May2 -
Well, he's done wonders for visitor numbers to Barnard Castle.Benpointer said:
As it's the National Trust why not give it to Dominic Liar?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.4 -
Ooh, that's good for an organisation that's about preservation.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
Had anything been preserved as badly as Brillo's reputation?1 -
Some might reasonably speculate that the biggest Covid risk associated to mass (sporting) events is the transit to the ground not the event itself.Philip_Thompson said:
The courts haven't gotten involved through the pandemic because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but is it targetted coersion?alex_ said:
But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.Philip_Thompson said:
It is both surely.alex_ said:Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.
The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?
I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).
Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
Plus anyway you can't compare mass transit to mass events, since for the entire pandemic mass events have had different rules to mass transit.
If there's to be restrictions then I'd rather they be on the unvaccinated than everyone else. Screw them, they should get their jab rather than put the rest of us back into lockdown.0 -
Richard Burgonrottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
0 -
I nominate @Cyclefree. (And I'm a life member, so surely I get a vote?)rottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May0 -
Piers Morganalex_ said:
I think he'd probably do a good job.rottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
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Clarkson would probably be pretty damn good. And he could turn it into an amazon show, as he runs it for a year and burns down Uppark (again), builds flats on Stourhead, but makes a weird fortune out of a protected Cornish cliffrottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
Trusting Clarkson
However, as I predicted, Clarkson's Farm was renewed about 12 hours after he tweeted "OMG we haven't been renewed!", there was no way amazon would forego all the guaranteed profit and viewers of season 2
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Jacob Rees-MoggCyclefree said:
Piers Morganalex_ said:
I think he'd probably do a good job.rottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May0 -
Chris Grayling?Cyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May2 -
I find trying to do something new that is a little bit harder than I can actually cope with is a good way to forget about something for a while: for me it is trying to get to grips with tensor calculus, but I’m sure there is a historical problem of similar complexity: how about the Schleswig-Holstein Question?ydoethur said:
I was...but it’s not going very well.Fysics_Teacher said:
I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I haven’t thought about them for years…0 -
So Moron thinks he got covid at the football and blames the poor security and government covid safe environment scheme...
Other than he got symptoms 2 days after the final which is very quick (not impossible) and obviously can't be sure unless he lived like a total hermit for the week before the final (wasn't he also at the semi final)....
But allows him to blame the government again, despite totally abandoning his mask and social distancing, happy to do selfies with loads of randoms.0 -
Off topic: Can anyone explain to me why Stonehenge with the A303 alongside it merits World Heritage Status but Stonehenge without the A303 in sight doesn't?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/stonehenge-may-be-next-uk-site-to-lose-world-heritage-status2 -
Jeez. You really hate going around old country houses don't you?SandyRentool said:
Richard Burgonrottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May0 -
Christ! That's a real risk - he's a trustee of the National Portrait Gallery.pigeon said:
Chris Grayling?Cyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
George Osborne could probably add it to his 6879 other jobs.1 -
Because, reasons.Benpointer said:Off topic: Can anyone explain to me why Stonehenge with the A303 alongside it merits World Heritage Status but Stonehenge without the A303 in sight doesn't?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/stonehenge-may-be-next-uk-site-to-lose-world-heritage-status0 -
You're quite right that would have sounded better and I was forgetting for a minute that he probably had nothing to do with the tweet.alex_ said:
I think he (or whoever wrote it) probably meant to say "be cowed by it" rather than "cower from it"...Stereodog said:
I'm not outraged by his tweet, if I got outraged at every sanctimonious utterance from a politician I'd go mad. I do think the word cowering is stupid. Saj's symptoms were thankfully mild but if that were me I'd look at other people who have caught COVID and think there but for the grace of God. Trying to avoid catching the virus isn't cowering. I caught the bus into Cambridge today for a bite to eat and some shopping but I wore my face mask, sanitised my hands and tried to keep my distance from other people.CarlottaVance said:And they're off!
Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....
Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?
https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1419031354268917760?s=200 -
Finally solved (by plebiscite) in 1920?Fysics_Teacher said:
I find trying to do something new that is a little bit harder than I can actually cope with is a good way to forget about something for a while: for me it is trying to get to grips with tensor calculus, but I’m sure there is a historical problem of similar complexity: how about the Schleswig-Holstein Question?ydoethur said:
I was...but it’s not going very well.Fysics_Teacher said:
I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I haven’t thought about them for years…0 -
Since you ask...rottenborough said:
Jeez. You really hate going around old country houses don't you?SandyRentool said:
Richard Burgonrottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
I think the NT should focus on natural heritage and dump all of the big old houses.0 -
Would rather undermine their founding purpose, and would i imagine break legal covenants...SandyRentool said:
Since you ask...rottenborough said:
Jeez. You really hate going around old country houses don't you?SandyRentool said:
Richard Burgonrottenborough said:
Jeremy Clarkson.Philip_Thompson said:
Andrew NeilCyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
I think the NT should focus on natural heritage and dump all of the big old houses.0 -
The Newlyn online fishmonger I just had a fishbox from lists Clams, but I am not an expert there. Nice Octopus, though.Cyclefree said:
Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.BlancheLivermore said:
Can you get fresh clams?Cyclefree said:Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.
But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
https://www.fresh-cornish-fish.co.uk/fresh-cornish-fish/
My staple supplies come via fish van from Grimsby though. But I buy every month or so and freeze after first dibs.
Difficult for me, as I am about as inland as it is possible to get in the UK.0 -
There must be some chaps from the Bullington photo who Johnson hasn't found space at the trough for yet.Cyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May3 -
I was under the impression that Osborne had junked his sidelines to concentrate on making huge sums of money at some bank catering to the fantastically wealthy?Cyclefree said:
Christ! That's a real risk - he's a trustee of the National Portrait Gallery.pigeon said:
Chris Grayling?Cyclefree said:
We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.Cyclefree said:
Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.ydoethur said:
Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?Cyclefree said:
You are all being very silly!rottenborough said:
Chair McChairface?Cyclefree said:Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.
Is that the idea?
They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.
Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
I'll start:-
Dido Harding
Cressida Dick
Theresa May
George Osborne could probably add it to his 6879 other jobs.
I didn't know about Grayling's existing gig. Yes, I think he'd do very well.
Chairmanship plus a life peerage incoming...0 -
Other archaelogical aspects in the surrounding countryside, or presumed archaelogical aspects underground, I would assume. I don't think the tunnel opposers have done a great job of explaining that, though I imagine they still have majority support.Benpointer said:Off topic: Can anyone explain to me why Stonehenge with the A303 alongside it merits World Heritage Status but Stonehenge without the A303 in sight doesn't?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/stonehenge-may-be-next-uk-site-to-lose-world-heritage-status
But I must say the opening seems to suggest a somewhat irrational approach to judging Heritage Status, since I don't see why other sites would have a harsher spotlight thrown on them because of the Liverpool decision. Surely such decisions should be based on the individual situations of each site, the whole point being they are of unique heritage interest. So they should be viewed just as softly or harshly as they were before.0
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