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Another post-BoJo quarantine U-turn poll sees CON below 40% and LAB within 4% – politicalbetting.com

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    anti-vax lunacy thread:


    Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.

    https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1418915810416934915
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037

    I think a poll crash is certainly in process


    Opinium @OpiniumResearch
    The latest Opinium & @ObserverUK poll shows the @Conservatives
    maintaining an 8-point lead over @UKLabour
    .
    The Conservatives have retained this lead for 3 polls in a row.


    One does wonder, with all these declining internals, how poor the opposition must be not to be able to shift the overall voting intention....
    Apart from the gibberish geek-speak of your 'declining internals' (argh that is one of the worst I've read in an age) this is such a ridiculous post. You've just seen two big lead declines (YouGov and Survation) to 4%. If Opinium is on 8% that's not out of kilter.

    And your same poll has just posted up big declines for Johnson's favourability. A 10% drop in support for the Government, the sharpest decline since May.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037?s=20
    I know this has historically been discussed a lot, and occasionally raised since Covid, but is anyone doing anything other than internet polling at the moment. I feel sure that internet polling will be overstating pro restriction/lockdown opinion recently unless finding a way to moderate for it. Obviously not to the same extent when everyone was confined to their homes for long periods.

    Almost by definition, risk averse individuals are far more likely to be at home completing internet polls at the moment. And if Covid risk averseness doesn't obviously mirror other weighting factors then this could represent a serious issue for polling.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,846
    Cyclefree said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Are YOU ok with my thing for carbonara and chips?
    If it suits you, who am I to argue. It is not very Italian though. And why not pasta? Chips would seem too heavy for me.
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Can you get fresh clams?
    Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.

    But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
    I thought home was south Asia for some reason. Or West Hampstead? It is Naples?
    Can't explain South Asia. My brother lived there. I have only ever travelled round India

    I am half-Neapolitan. (Other half is Irish). Spent a large part of my childhood there. Italian is my first language. All my early memories are of Naples so, yes, at a visceral level it is home.

    Lived in Hampstead & West Hampstead for very many years. Also Brixton.

    Now living in the Lakes where, despite being thousands of miles away, next to the North Sea, in a region known for its rain, which sometimes comes in horizontally, and occasionally fierce winds, I am obstinately growing oranges, lemons, clementines, figs and a vine on my terrace. So far the summer weather has been kind.

    I can see the sea from my window so it is not so unlike Naples where seeing the sea, going down to it, playing in the park next to it, staring at the fishermen drawing their nets in and at the small motoscafi bringing in contraband cigarettes was a constant.

    There is something liberating and tempting about being able to see the sea.
    I love Naples, for all its many many flaws. Magnificent food.

    I even like the inner city slums - the Spanish Quarters are so atmospheric

    The outer slums where the Camorra reign are less appealing
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,104
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @Cyclefree is there an Italian pasta dish with an anchovy mayonnaise kind of sauce? If not there should be. Very cheap and easy to make.

    Spaghetti con olive e capperi. Pasta with olives and capers - a staple of my childhood. Spaghetti with olive oil, olives (stoned) obviously and capers and seasoning to taste.

    Puttanesca sauce has tomatoes, olives and anchovies.

    In summer my two favourites are lemon sauce (Amalfi lemons) or courgettes and mint. Cut up the courgettes very finely into something resembling matchsticks. Lightly and quickly stir fry with some olive oil then mix with pasta and lots of fresh mint from your garden. Delicious!
    I'm growing three kinds of courgette and two kinds of mint!
    Whatever you do don't grow the mint in the ground. It's a thug, will take over and you'll never get rid of it. Always grow in a pot.

    Courgettes flowers in batter - oh my!
    We once thought we were being clever by growing mint in a drawer from an otherwise abandoned chest of drawers, but the mint escaped into the neighbouring lawn to do battle with the wild raspberry canes we'd recklessly rescued from a Bracknell park. Still, at least the person who bought the house from us had a thriving plum tree to enjoy.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966
    edited July 2021
    Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.

    Sajid Javid
    @sajidjavid
    Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
    Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
    Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,865
    rcs1000 said:

    He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.

    Indeed, but from the same article

    Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.

    The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.

    And still some people here are cheering for it...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    edited July 2021
    Quite some spin from Devi in response to Javid's tweet:

    This must be painful to read for those who were severely ill & for those who lost loved ones to COVID. It wasn’t because they were weak- just unnecessarily exposed to a virus. And wanting to avoid getting COVID isn’t ‘cowering’- it’s being sensible & looking out for others.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1419028469514752003?s=20

    She appears to be objecting to this: "Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus."

    Is her objection to people getting vaccinated?

    Or that we will have to live with COVID?

    She was a Zero COVID fan, then argued "zero didn't mean zero".....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    alex_ said:

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037

    I think a poll crash is certainly in process


    Opinium @OpiniumResearch
    The latest Opinium & @ObserverUK poll shows the @Conservatives
    maintaining an 8-point lead over @UKLabour
    .
    The Conservatives have retained this lead for 3 polls in a row.


    One does wonder, with all these declining internals, how poor the opposition must be not to be able to shift the overall voting intention....
    Apart from the gibberish geek-speak of your 'declining internals' (argh that is one of the worst I've read in an age) this is such a ridiculous post. You've just seen two big lead declines (YouGov and Survation) to 4%. If Opinium is on 8% that's not out of kilter.

    And your same poll has just posted up big declines for Johnson's favourability. A 10% drop in support for the Government, the sharpest decline since May.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037?s=20
    I know this has historically been discussed a lot, and occasionally raised since Covid, but is anyone doing anything other than internet polling at the moment. I feel sure that internet polling will be overstating pro restriction/lockdown opinion recently unless finding a way to moderate for it. Obviously not to the same extent when everyone was confined to their homes for long periods.

    Almost by definition, risk averse individuals are far more likely to be at home completing internet polls at the moment. And if Covid risk averseness doesn't obviously mirror other weighting factors then this could represent a serious issue for polling.
    Ipsos MORI definitely and some Survation polls have been phone polls.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,174
    LAB will be ahead soon in the polls. It's called mid term.

    Let's see what happens at the GE. 👍👍👍👍
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418944731434913803

    This is utterly terrifying? I am all for tackling the obesity epidemic but this kind of approach seems totally unjustifiable. What happened to Johnson the liberal?

    Two possibilities for starters-

    First, the plan has been leaked to destroy it, a bit like the NI for Social Care scheme.

    Second, Carrie has put Boris back on a diet and he doesn't see why anyone else should have a nice time eating unhealthy food if he can't.

    But ultimately... Liberal BoJo was just another costume to wear when it seemed convenient and discard when it wasn't.

    Talking of which, Dom Cummings's latest Twitter outpourings are fascinating to students of human misery. (Especially his "I'm Not Posh" denials.) He's not quite acknowledged that he's been exploited and outsmarted by the Bozza, but it's clearly coming...)
    I absolutely detest people who pretend they are not posh, those people are nearly as bad as middle class people saying they are working class.

    Terrible, terrible people.
    It depends on how you define class. I'm painfully middle class but have worked like a dog to get where I am. When you're carrying everyone's jobs on your shoulders you are working are you not?

    Its like the frankly overblown faux outrage aimed at @StuartDickson earlier. Are we saying that there are only certain jobs that count as working class? Perhaps if you work in a factory and show aptitude for people and processes and end up as management you have to hand in your WC badge?
    What annoys me is that people screaming out against "London" don't seem to think that there are working class people in London. Some of the poverty in London is the worst anywhere in Europe, I utterly despise this idea some people are more deserving than others.

    I vote Labour to give a better life to all people, I don't like the Tory approach of putting communities against each other. New Labour levelled up the country all over, that's the right approach
    Yup - that's why the 'Red wall' never happened........
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,636
    edited July 2021

    Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.

    Sajid Javid
    @sajidjavid
    Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
    Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
    Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.

    What an absolutely bizarre reading. Did you mean to post some other tweet of his to support that comic re-interpretation? Mere use of the word cower hardly does it.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    And they're off!

    Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....

    Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?

    https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1419031354268917760?s=20

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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    alex_ said:

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037

    I think a poll crash is certainly in process


    Opinium @OpiniumResearch
    The latest Opinium & @ObserverUK poll shows the @Conservatives
    maintaining an 8-point lead over @UKLabour
    .
    The Conservatives have retained this lead for 3 polls in a row.


    One does wonder, with all these declining internals, how poor the opposition must be not to be able to shift the overall voting intention....
    Apart from the gibberish geek-speak of your 'declining internals' (argh that is one of the worst I've read in an age) this is such a ridiculous post. You've just seen two big lead declines (YouGov and Survation) to 4%. If Opinium is on 8% that's not out of kilter.

    And your same poll has just posted up big declines for Johnson's favourability. A 10% drop in support for the Government, the sharpest decline since May.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1419010745245868037?s=20
    I know this has historically been discussed a lot, and occasionally raised since Covid, but is anyone doing anything other than internet polling at the moment. I feel sure that internet polling will be overstating pro restriction/lockdown opinion recently unless finding a way to moderate for it. Obviously not to the same extent when everyone was confined to their homes for long periods.

    Almost by definition, risk averse individuals are far more likely to be at home completing internet polls at the moment. And if Covid risk averseness doesn't obviously mirror other weighting factors then this could represent a serious issue for polling.
    Ipsos MORI definitely and some Survation polls have been phone polls.
    But are even phone polls going to be able to pick up anti lockdown sentiment?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922

    anti-vax lunacy thread:


    Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.

    https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1418915810416934915

    I see Katie Hopkins was speaking there too.

    I think the way the thought process goes is like this: people I don't like are in favour of the vaccine, and I should therefore not like the vaccines.

    Of course, how can anyone dislike the vaccines when they come up with songs like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VI3q4T-1Jc&ab_channel=TheVaccinesVEVO
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Are YOU ok with my thing for carbonara and chips?
    If it suits you, who am I to argue. It is not very Italian though. And why not pasta? Chips would seem too heavy for me.
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Can you get fresh clams?
    Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.

    But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
    I thought home was south Asia for some reason. Or West Hampstead? It is Naples?
    Can't explain South Asia. My brother lived there. I have only ever travelled round India

    I am half-Neapolitan. (Other half is Irish). Spent a large part of my childhood there. Italian is my first language. All my early memories are of Naples so, yes, at a visceral level it is home.

    Lived in Hampstead & West Hampstead for very many years. Also Brixton.

    Now living in the Lakes where, despite being thousands of miles away, next to the North Sea, in a region known for its rain, which sometimes comes in horizontally, and occasionally fierce winds, I am obstinately growing oranges, lemons, clementines, figs and a vine on my terrace. So far the summer weather has been kind.

    I can see the sea from my window so it is not so unlike Naples where seeing the sea, going down to it, playing in the park next to it, staring at the fishermen drawing their nets in and at the small motoscafi bringing in contraband cigarettes was a constant.

    There is something liberating and tempting about being able to see the sea.
    I love Naples, for all its many many flaws. Magnificent food.

    I even like the inner city slums - the Spanish Quarters are so atmospheric

    The outer slums where the Camorra reign are less appealing
    Agreed. It is a fascinating city. Its history is a microcosm of European history - the Greeks, Romans, Normans, French, Spanish Bourbons, the English and, finally, the Germans and and Americans have all tried to take the place over, some with more success than others.

    My family arrived there in the 16th century from Spain at about the same time as the Spanish quarter got named after all the Spanish soldiers who arrived. The family name - and many of the family's Christian names - are Spanish to this day.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,846
    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.

    Indeed, but from the same article

    Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.

    The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.

    And still some people here are cheering for it...
    This just isn't true, Scott, and until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosis

    I'll spell it out for you one more time. Cummings is a kind of revolutionary. He believes the British state was locked into permanent stagnation, favouring one class over all the others - the London Remainer class, essentially. He felt that this was wrong, and that the UK was never going to reform in the radical way needed until it was released from the anti-democratic structures of the EU. To succeed in this reform, Brexit was not necessary - but not sufficient. Hence his later frustration with Boris - not radical enough.

    You can disagree with this, but this is what he sincerely believed - and believes. He didn't do Brexit to "fuck over people" - tho he surely enjoyed winning as an underdog - who wouldn't? He thinks Brexit is a good idea, still. As he said in his Laura K interview.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ok I now believe in ghosts.

    I mean only the ghost of Monty could be behind this.



    https://twitter.com/ArmyJew/status/1418877863634382853

    Edit - Definitely the Ghost of Monty.

    https://twitter.com/ArmyJew/status/1418882831577714694

    Monty not perhaps being the best strategist himself, of course...
    Ssh. You'll trigger the Brexiteers.
    My grandfather would have been a Brexiteer, had he lived, but he would have been far more cutting about Monty than any Remainer.
    What always annoyed me about Monty is that he never really acknowledged how lucky he was compared to his predecessors in North Africa.

    He had a German army denuded of fuel and essential supplies, plus all the enigma decrypts. And he just did "ok".
    He admitted he had a tired, knackered British army, still suffering, psychologically, from World War 1. And he was probably right
    My point was more comparing him to Wavell and the Auck in North Africa. Both of them faced the Germans when they were massively better supplied, and without the benefits of knowing almost exactly when and where Rommel would strike.

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    CandyCandy Posts: 51
    Carnyx said:



    I think a lot of PBers miss the point about the footie.

    It was the BBC saying ad infinitum "Our victory in 1966", rinse and repeat for half a century.

    That really drove home, in a very easily understood way, the fact that for the BBC England = UK and Scotland was not considered. And as the BBNC was the UK State Broadcaster, so ...

    It was simply that football was much more widely followed - ergo more mentions - and understood than almost anything else that could have been picked.

    The thing is, in 1966, the whole of the UK was cheering the England team, so the victory really was "our" collective victory. Look at the footage of the time - all Union Jacks.

    And it wasn't just the UK cheering, the Republic of Ireland was fascinated and awed, the England team actually toured Ireland in the wake of the victory and were met with loads of enthusiastic fans. And then Jack Charlton became the Irish national team coach who managed to get them to qualify for the 1990 World Cup, which made him an adopted Irish hero.

    This business of "1966 was a purely English victory that is being shoved down our throats" is a revision of history that started about a decade ago.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,865
    Leon said:

    until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosis

    I'm not the one who has to assuage his guilt for enabling the psychopaths of Brexit.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966
    kle4 said:

    Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.

    Sajid Javid
    @sajidjavid
    Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
    Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
    Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.

    What an absolutely bizarre reading. Did you mean to post some other tweet of his to support that comic re-interpretation? Mere use of the word cower hardly does it.
    Ok, stop crouching down in fear any better for ye?

    cower
    /ˈkaʊə/
    verb
    gerund or present participle: cowering
    crouch down in fear.
    "children cowered in terror as the shoot-out erupted"

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
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    StereodogStereodog Posts: 400

    And they're off!

    Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....

    Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?

    https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1419031354268917760?s=20

    I'm not outraged by his tweet, if I got outraged at every sanctimonious utterance from a politician I'd go mad. I do think the word cowering is stupid. Saj's symptoms were thankfully mild but if that were me I'd look at other people who have caught COVID and think there but for the grace of God. Trying to avoid catching the virus isn't cowering. I caught the bus into Cambridge today for a bite to eat and some shopping but I wore my face mask, sanitised my hands and tried to keep my distance from other people.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    rcs1000 said:

    anti-vax lunacy thread:


    Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.

    https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1418915810416934915

    I see Katie Hopkins was speaking there too.

    I think the way the thought process goes is like this: people I don't like are in favour of the vaccine, and I should therefore not like the vaccines.

    Of course, how can anyone dislike the vaccines when they come up with songs like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VI3q4T-1Jc&ab_channel=TheVaccinesVEVO
    More looney tunes. This one is an ex-nurse:

    https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1418965391003508736
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,331
    Just been asked to do a You Gov survey. When I entered my birth month it told me I was ineligible to take part. WTF is that all about.....
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Stereodog said:

    And they're off!

    Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....

    Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?

    https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1419031354268917760?s=20

    I'm not outraged by his tweet, if I got outraged at every sanctimonious utterance from a politician I'd go mad. I do think the word cowering is stupid. Saj's symptoms were thankfully mild but if that were me I'd look at other people who have caught COVID and think there but for the grace of God. Trying to avoid catching the virus isn't cowering. I caught the bus into Cambridge today for a bite to eat and some shopping but I wore my face mask, sanitised my hands and tried to keep my distance from other people.
    I think he (or whoever wrote it) probably meant to say "be cowed by it" rather than "cower from it"...
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Parker Knoll?
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,560
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosis

    I'm not the one who has to assuage his guilt for enabling the psychopaths of Brexit.
    You think there are 17.4 million psychopaths in the UK? I'm surprised you're brave enough to leave your house...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    If it’s anything like the last one ‘Smuggy McSmugface’ would be a better suggestion.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
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    Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    If it’s anything like the last one ‘Smuggy McSmugface’ would be a better suggestion.
    :lol: I thought he had to leave because he'd been rumbled as really being Wokey McWokeface?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chipendale?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,865
    Fishing said:

    I'm surprised you're brave enough to leave your house...

    You didn't understand my post?

    I'm surprised you can put your pants on right first time...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    I'm organising an anti-mask demo tomorrow.

    I've advised everyone attending that to avoid being identified by the authorities they should cover their faces.

    ROFL 🤣
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    kle4 said:

    Stop cowering, you cowering cowards.

    Sajid Javid
    @sajidjavid
    Full recovery from Covid a week after testing positive.
    Symptoms were very mild, thanks to amazing vaccines.
    Please - if you haven’t yet - get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.

    What an absolutely bizarre reading. Did you mean to post some other tweet of his to support that comic re-interpretation? Mere use of the word cower hardly does it.
    I suspect some commentators are disappointed that their predictions of soaring cases have not (yet) come to pass - so they have to complain about something- one word in a tweet will do.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,830

    anti-vax lunacy thread:


    Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds.

    https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1418915810416934915

    So much for nurses having degrees....remember this when people talk about x is supported by the more educated
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,865
    edited July 2021
    The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1


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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Scott_xP said:

    The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1


    Attend, surely?
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    18m
    Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday

    One thing i wonder about all these floated plans for vaccine passports is where it's going to end. I mean, for one thing, isn't it all going to get undermined if they start booster programmes for certain categories of people? Booster programmes potentially send a message that existing vaccine protection isn't sufficient. But then that implies that those who haven't had a booster are more at risk and/or more of a risk. So does this lead to them having to offer boosters to everyone? And then extending passports to only those having had boosters... etc etc?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,211
    Leon said:

    Terrifying floods in Belgium

    You get caught in this, you die

    https://twitter.com/NoodweerBenelux/status/1419009595612278786?s=20

    Record-breaking rainfall in India too:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57952521

    So that's Germany, Benelux, China and India with shitloads of rain in recent weeks.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1


    Attend, surely?
    Making vaccination a pre-requisite for getting Sky Sports would be one way to boost the take up I suppose.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1


    Attend, surely?
    No, watch. They're going to have jab detector vans driving round to catch people watching the match while unvaccinated.
    It’s B-Sky thinking.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1


    Attend, surely?
    Making vaccination a pre-requisite for getting Sky Sports would be one way to boost the take up I suppose.
    Of the vaccines or Sky sports?
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.

    The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?

    I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,363
    Cyclefree said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Are YOU ok with my thing for carbonara and chips?
    If it suits you, who am I to argue. It is not very Italian though. And why not pasta? Chips would seem too heavy for me.
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Can you get fresh clams?
    Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.

    But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
    I thought home was south Asia for some reason. Or West Hampstead? It is Naples?
    Can't explain South Asia. My brother lived there. I have only ever travelled round India

    I am half-Neapolitan. (Other half is Irish). Spent a large part of my childhood there. Italian is my first language. All my early memories are of Naples so, yes, at a visceral level it is home.

    Lived in Hampstead & West Hampstead for very many years. Also Brixton.

    Now living in the Lakes where, despite being thousands of miles away, next to the North Sea, in a region known for its rain, which sometimes comes in horizontally, and occasionally fierce winds, I am obstinately growing oranges, lemons, clementines, figs and a vine on my terrace. So far the summer weather has been kind.

    I can see the sea from my window so it is not so unlike Naples where seeing the sea, going down to it, playing in the park next to it, staring at the fishermen drawing their nets in and at the small motoscafi bringing in contraband cigarettes was a constant.

    There is something liberating and tempting about being able to see the sea.
    A pedant notes: Irish Sea, not North Sea.

    I was talking to my parents yesterday about these weird bits of Britain which face south west into the sea where the vegetation is tropical. They had just visited something similar on the Lleyn Peninsula. There are similar locales in West Scotland and South Cornwall.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    alex_ said:

    Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.

    The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?

    I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).

    It is both surely.

    Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    On the subject of vaccinations: I was at a County show type event today (lots of tractors on display, cattle and sheep being judged by obscure criteria, hundreds of stalls selling everything a farmer could want or need, etc) and there was a pop-up vaccination centre where anyone who wanted could apparently go in and get a jab. Have people encountered anything similar (the vaccination centres, not the tractors)?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,363
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.

    Indeed, but from the same article

    Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.

    The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.

    And still some people here are cheering for it...
    This just isn't true, Scott, and until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosis

    I'll spell it out for you one more time. Cummings is a kind of revolutionary. He believes the British state was locked into permanent stagnation, favouring one class over all the others - the London Remainer class, essentially. He felt that this was wrong, and that the UK was never going to reform in the radical way needed until it was released from the anti-democratic structures of the EU. To succeed in this reform, Brexit was not necessary - but not sufficient. Hence his later frustration with Boris - not radical enough.

    You can disagree with this, but this is what he sincerely believed - and believes. He didn't do Brexit to "fuck over people" - tho he surely enjoyed winning as an underdog - who wouldn't? He thinks Brexit is a good idea, still. As he said in his Laura K interview.
    The thing is that, whilst Cummings is clearly sincere in his "Britain is in a hole and needs a great man to blow up that hole and liberate us to greatness", it's really not obvious that he's right. Like everywhere else, it's flawed, and some people get a particularly rubbish end of the stick, but British society now is doing a better job of providing a decent life to lots of people than most other times and places.
    It's not heroic, and that's what smarts for some belivers in the Great Man theory of history, but Switzerland isn't heroic, and who wouldn't rather be like Switzerland? There are no ninjas, no magic levers, no huge reservoir of Untapped National Potential.

    And the killer punchline from Matt Chorley's article?

    Johnson is, in Cummings’s well-tested eyes, a buffoon. Imagine being outfoxed by that. That’s got to hurt. Because you might not have noticed, and Cummings clearly hasn’t, but in the battle between the great political strategist of our (or indeed any) age and the horny scarecrow who ate a thesaurus, only one of them still wields power.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited July 2021

    alex_ said:

    Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.

    The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?

    I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).

    It is both surely.

    Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
    But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.

    One might also add that the Government have been running "trials" of large scale events which haven't involved compulsory vaccination, the results of which haven't largely been published in detail. If it turned out that things like football matches (being outdoors etc) were not particularly notable "spreader events", then this would be a problem for the govt trying to assert a "public health benefit" defence.

    If they think it's essential that everyone gets vaccinated then maybe they should just legislate for it...
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,830

    On the subject of vaccinations: I was at a County show type event today (lots of tractors on display, cattle and sheep being judged by obscure criteria, hundreds of stalls selling everything a farmer could want or need, etc) and there was a pop-up vaccination centre where anyone who wanted could apparently go in and get a jab. Have people encountered anything similar (the vaccination centres, not the tractors)?

    We have a pop up one in the town centre which seems to be take a seat wait your turn
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    He was an absolutely core component of the Leave campaign, and without him, maybe the vote would have gone a different way.

    Indeed, but from the same article

    Cummings is obsessed with winning. Or rather beating the clowns or idiots on the other side. He defeated the northeast assembly. He defeated the Alternative Vote. Brexit is no different. He wasn’t FOR Brexit, he was just against the people who were against it.

    The entire Nation was screwed, not because the chief architects thought Brexit was a good idea, they both thought it was merely a good way to fuck over somebody else.

    And still some people here are cheering for it...
    This just isn't true, Scott, and until you learn why you are wrong, you will never heal your Brexit psychosis

    I'll spell it out for you one more time. Cummings is a kind of revolutionary. He believes the British state was locked into permanent stagnation, favouring one class over all the others - the London Remainer class, essentially. He felt that this was wrong, and that the UK was never going to reform in the radical way needed until it was released from the anti-democratic structures of the EU. To succeed in this reform, Brexit was not necessary - but not sufficient. Hence his later frustration with Boris - not radical enough.

    You can disagree with this, but this is what he sincerely believed - and believes. He didn't do Brexit to "fuck over people" - tho he surely enjoyed winning as an underdog - who wouldn't? He thinks Brexit is a good idea, still. As he said in his Laura K interview.
    The thing is that, whilst Cummings is clearly sincere in his "Britain is in a hole and needs a great man to blow up that hole and liberate us to greatness", it's really not obvious that he's right. Like everywhere else, it's flawed, and some people get a particularly rubbish end of the stick, but British society now is doing a better job of providing a decent life to lots of people than most other times and places.
    It's not heroic, and that's what smarts for some belivers in the Great Man theory of history, but Switzerland isn't heroic, and who wouldn't rather be like Switzerland? There are no ninjas, no magic levers, no huge reservoir of Untapped National Potential.

    And the killer punchline from Matt Chorley's article?

    Johnson is, in Cummings’s well-tested eyes, a buffoon. Imagine being outfoxed by that. That’s got to hurt. Because you might not have noticed, and Cummings clearly hasn’t, but in the battle between the great political strategist of our (or indeed any) age and the horny scarecrow who ate a thesaurus, only one of them still wields power.
    I will assume sarcasm rather than flawed logic.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?

    I haven’t thought about them for years…
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,570
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    As it's the National Trust why not give it to Dominic Liar?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?

    I haven’t thought about them for years…
    I was...but it’s not going very well.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Sunday Telegraph: Double jab needed to watch Premier League #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1419036379787546632/photo/1


    Attend, surely?
    No, watch. They're going to have jab detector vans driving round to catch people watching the match while unvaccinated.
    Don't give Gove any more ideas.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Me?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    alex_ said:

    alex_ said:

    Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.

    The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?

    I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).

    It is both surely.

    Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
    But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.
    The courts haven't gotten involved through the pandemic because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but is it targetted coersion?

    Plus anyway you can't compare mass transit to mass events, since for the entire pandemic mass events have had different rules to mass transit.

    If there's to be restrictions then I'd rather they be on the unvaccinated than everyone else. Screw them, they should get their jab rather than put the rest of us back into lockdown.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    alex_ said:

    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    18m
    Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday

    One thing i wonder about all these floated plans for vaccine passports is where it's going to end. I mean, for one thing, isn't it all going to get undermined if they start booster programmes for certain categories of people? Booster programmes potentially send a message that existing vaccine protection isn't sufficient. But then that implies that those who haven't had a booster are more at risk and/or more of a risk. So does this lead to them having to offer boosters to everyone? And then extending passports to only those having had boosters... etc etc?
    You think this lot have thought it through to that level?

    What seems like five minutes ago the vaccine minister was telling us categorically there would not be vaxports.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576

    On the subject of vaccinations: I was at a County show type event today (lots of tractors on display, cattle and sheep being judged by obscure criteria, hundreds of stalls selling everything a farmer could want or need, etc) and there was a pop-up vaccination centre where anyone who wanted could apparently go in and get a jab. Have people encountered anything similar (the vaccination centres, not the tractors)?

    Yes, Hove lawns last weekend - in a bus - seemed to be doing steady business.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160
    Hugh Osmond
    @hughosmond
    Nightclub bosses ready to take Government to court over Covid vaccine passports ⁦
    @EssexPR
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,363

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    As it's the National Trust why not give it to Dominic Liar?
    No, that would be the National Trust-as-far-as-we-could-throw-him.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    alex_ said:

    alex_ said:

    Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.

    The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?

    I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).

    It is both surely.

    Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
    But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.
    The courts haven't gotten involved through the pandemic because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but is it targetted coersion?

    Plus anyway you can't compare mass transit to mass events, since for the entire pandemic mass events have had different rules to mass transit.

    If there's to be restrictions then I'd rather they be on the unvaccinated than everyone else. Screw them, they should get their jab rather than put the rest of us back into lockdown.
    You have previously expressed the view that it wouldn't be necessary to lockdown again. This smacks a bit of the Government not implementing measures to prevent lockdown, but to accommodate public opinion.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Toby Young
    Julia Hartley Brewer
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    alex_ said:

    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    18m
    Sunday Mirror: Jab passports for footie matches #tomorrowspaperstoday

    One thing i wonder about all these floated plans for vaccine passports is where it's going to end. I mean, for one thing, isn't it all going to get undermined if they start booster programmes for certain categories of people? Booster programmes potentially send a message that existing vaccine protection isn't sufficient. But then that implies that those who haven't had a booster are more at risk and/or more of a risk. So does this lead to them having to offer boosters to everyone? And then extending passports to only those having had boosters... etc etc?
    You think this lot have thought it through to that level?

    What seems like five minutes ago the vaccine minister was telling us categorically there would not be vaxports.
    Well we know they can't think through the impacts on next week, let alone several months hence. More than enough evidence of that. Doesn't stop the rest of us speculating on the future...
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    I think he'd probably do a good job.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    As it's the National Trust why not give it to Dominic Liar?
    Well, he's done wonders for visitor numbers to Barnard Castle.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    ALRIGHT I'LL BUY A CHEESE FLAKER

    Don’t all your standard 99p graters come with a single blade for flaking?

    I’ve had 2 of them in the last 20 years (the posh metal ones for 5.99) and they’ve worked fine
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,363

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Ooh, that's good for an organisation that's about preservation.

    Had anything been preserved as badly as Brillo's reputation?
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    alex_ said:

    alex_ said:

    Vaxports for (open air) sporting events with 20k plus. But not to travel with millions of people on eg. the London Underground.

    The question becomes - are the passports being used as a public health measure. Or actually as a form of coercion, that doesn't actually have a direct public health purpose?

    I wonder if we might potentially get to a point where the courts might be interested in getting involved (having been studiously determined to stay out of the discussion thus far).

    It is both surely.

    Besides a nudge to get people vaccinated does have a direct public health benefit.
    But it's targeted co-ercion which is why i think the courts might get involved. Put it another way - and i'm deliberately using an unlikely example. Suppose they said you had to prove vaccination to attend a 20k+ football match. But not to attend a 20k+ rugby match. I don't think the courts would stand for that.
    The courts haven't gotten involved through the pandemic because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but is it targetted coersion?

    Plus anyway you can't compare mass transit to mass events, since for the entire pandemic mass events have had different rules to mass transit.

    If there's to be restrictions then I'd rather they be on the unvaccinated than everyone else. Screw them, they should get their jab rather than put the rest of us back into lockdown.
    Some might reasonably speculate that the biggest Covid risk associated to mass (sporting) events is the transit to the ground not the event itself.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    Richard Burgon
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,570

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    I nominate @Cyclefree. (And I'm a life member, so surely I get a vote?)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    alex_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    I think he'd probably do a good job.
    Piers Morgan

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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,846

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    Clarkson would probably be pretty damn good. And he could turn it into an amazon show, as he runs it for a year and burns down Uppark (again), builds flats on Stourhead, but makes a weird fortune out of a protected Cornish cliff

    Trusting Clarkson

    However, as I predicted, Clarkson's Farm was renewed about 12 hours after he tweeted "OMG we haven't been renewed!", there was no way amazon would forego all the guaranteed profit and viewers of season 2



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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    Cyclefree said:

    alex_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    I think he'd probably do a good job.
    Piers Morgan

    Jacob Rees-Mogg
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Chris Grayling?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?

    I haven’t thought about them for years…
    I was...but it’s not going very well.
    I find trying to do something new that is a little bit harder than I can actually cope with is a good way to forget about something for a while: for me it is trying to get to grips with tensor calculus, but I’m sure there is a historical problem of similar complexity: how about the Schleswig-Holstein Question?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited July 2021
    So Moron thinks he got covid at the football and blames the poor security and government covid safe environment scheme...

    Other than he got symptoms 2 days after the final which is very quick (not impossible) and obviously can't be sure unless he lived like a total hermit for the week before the final (wasn't he also at the semi final)....

    But allows him to blame the government again, despite totally abandoning his mask and social distancing, happy to do selfies with loads of randoms.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,570
    Off topic: Can anyone explain to me why Stonehenge with the A303 alongside it merits World Heritage Status but Stonehenge without the A303 in sight doesn't?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/stonehenge-may-be-next-uk-site-to-lose-world-heritage-status
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,160

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    Richard Burgon
    Jeez. You really hate going around old country houses don't you?
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,154
    pigeon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Chris Grayling?
    Christ! That's a real risk - he's a trustee of the National Portrait Gallery.

    George Osborne could probably add it to his 6879 other jobs.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Off topic: Can anyone explain to me why Stonehenge with the A303 alongside it merits World Heritage Status but Stonehenge without the A303 in sight doesn't?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/stonehenge-may-be-next-uk-site-to-lose-world-heritage-status

    Because, reasons.
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    StereodogStereodog Posts: 400
    alex_ said:

    Stereodog said:

    And they're off!

    Taken them a while to crank up the outrage bus.....original tweet 6 hours old....

    Being cautious & protecting oneself & others isn't 'cowering'? Many want to protect themselves & loved ones, including CEV & those who're unvaccinated, who are even greater risk. Those who are vaccinated can get infected, transmit & get long COVID. What sort of messaging is this?

    https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1419031354268917760?s=20

    I'm not outraged by his tweet, if I got outraged at every sanctimonious utterance from a politician I'd go mad. I do think the word cowering is stupid. Saj's symptoms were thankfully mild but if that were me I'd look at other people who have caught COVID and think there but for the grace of God. Trying to avoid catching the virus isn't cowering. I caught the bus into Cambridge today for a bite to eat and some shopping but I wore my face mask, sanitised my hands and tried to keep my distance from other people.
    I think he (or whoever wrote it) probably meant to say "be cowed by it" rather than "cower from it"...
    You're quite right that would have sounded better and I was forgetting for a minute that he probably had nothing to do with the tweet.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    ALRIGHT I'LL BUY A CHEESE FLAKER

    Don’t all your standard 99p graters come with a single blade for flaking?

    I’ve had 2 of them in the last 20 years (the posh metal ones for 5.99) and they’ve worked fine
    Shocked. Absolutely shocked.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,211

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    I thought you were going to try to stop thinking about schools for a couple of weeks?

    I haven’t thought about them for years…
    I was...but it’s not going very well.
    I find trying to do something new that is a little bit harder than I can actually cope with is a good way to forget about something for a while: for me it is trying to get to grips with tensor calculus, but I’m sure there is a historical problem of similar complexity: how about the Schleswig-Holstein Question?
    Finally solved (by plebiscite) in 1920?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    Richard Burgon
    Jeez. You really hate going around old country houses don't you?
    Since you ask...

    I think the NT should focus on natural heritage and dump all of the big old houses.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited July 2021

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Andrew Neil
    Jeremy Clarkson.
    Richard Burgon
    Jeez. You really hate going around old country houses don't you?
    Since you ask...

    I think the NT should focus on natural heritage and dump all of the big old houses.
    Would rather undermine their founding purpose, and would i imagine break legal covenants...
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,399
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Spaghetti alle vongole is also delicious.

    Can you get fresh clams?
    Through Daughter as her restaurant has access to a good fish supplier. Sea bass is usually on the menu.

    But it's a treat. Reminds me of home and would really like to eat it in Naples.
    The Newlyn online fishmonger I just had a fishbox from lists Clams, but I am not an expert there. Nice Octopus, though.

    https://www.fresh-cornish-fish.co.uk/fresh-cornish-fish/

    My staple supplies come via fish van from Grimsby though. But I buy every month or so and freeze after first dibs.

    Difficult for me, as I am about as inland as it is possible to get in the UK.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,066
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    There must be some chaps from the Bullington photo who Johnson hasn't found space at the trough for yet.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    Cyclefree said:

    pigeon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, the National Trust is looking for a new Chair. You can write in and suggest names.

    Chair McChairface?

    Is that the idea?
    You are all being very silly!

    They want names of PEOPLE. Presumably before they give the job to Dido Harding or Cressida Dick or some other useless woman.

    Perhaps they'll just pick someone with an apposite surname, like the RHS, whose President is called Keith Weed.
    Could they give it to Amanda Spielman?

    Not because she’d be any good, but because it would mean she would finally fuck off out of education and stop making the lives of children much more unpleasant and less safe.
    Go on, I dare you. Write in and suggest her, in precisely those terms.
    We could start a competition: suggesting the most inappropriate and uselessly incompetent person to chair the NT and see whether any of them are appointed.

    I'll start:-

    Dido Harding
    Cressida Dick
    Theresa May
    Chris Grayling?
    Christ! That's a real risk - he's a trustee of the National Portrait Gallery.

    George Osborne could probably add it to his 6879 other jobs.
    I was under the impression that Osborne had junked his sidelines to concentrate on making huge sums of money at some bank catering to the fantastically wealthy?

    I didn't know about Grayling's existing gig. Yes, I think he'd do very well.

    Chairmanship plus a life peerage incoming...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,636
    edited July 2021

    Off topic: Can anyone explain to me why Stonehenge with the A303 alongside it merits World Heritage Status but Stonehenge without the A303 in sight doesn't?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/stonehenge-may-be-next-uk-site-to-lose-world-heritage-status

    Other archaelogical aspects in the surrounding countryside, or presumed archaelogical aspects underground, I would assume. I don't think the tunnel opposers have done a great job of explaining that, though I imagine they still have majority support.

    But I must say the opening seems to suggest a somewhat irrational approach to judging Heritage Status, since I don't see why other sites would have a harsher spotlight thrown on them because of the Liverpool decision. Surely such decisions should be based on the individual situations of each site, the whole point being they are of unique heritage interest. So they should be viewed just as softly or harshly as they were before.
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