Steve Baker MP is right about the exemption for quarantine exemptions UEFA officials – politicalbett
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This goalkeeper is having a nightmare
He needs subbing but too late anyway0 -
Yes, we have.Leon said:
What's the lockdown/masking situation in, eg, LA? Have you all been released, possibly prematurely?rcs1000 said:
Well, I'm not going to deny that a lot of the big cities are going to have problems. But small towns aren't completely out of the woods.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes inner city African Americans refusing the vaccine is much, much more concerning than deep south hicksville rednecks refusing it.Leon said:
America also has other viral advantages - warmer and sunnier in the south, everyone drives and no one takes the bus/train....Philip_Thompson said:
Small towns are very socially distanced naturally.Leon said:
How could Delta not run riot? That's what it DOES. C'est son metierrcs1000 said:
It's probably even worse than that: in the big urban areas of the American South (Birmingham, Atlanta, etc.) vaccination rates are reasonably high.contrarian said:
Jill Biden was in Tennessee yesterday pointing out only 3 in 10 of the state's population are vaccinated.Leon said:*DELTA VARIANT SEEN IN 20% OF RECENT US COVID CASES: CDC CHIEF*
America may be a lab for vaccination in the same way as it was a lab for lockdown.
But if you go to small towns and cities, then vaccination rates collapse. Just 23% of residents of Lafayette County AK, 18% of Hempstead County, and 14% of Winston County Alabama. In Winston County, not even a third of the over 65s are vaccinated.
If Delta runs riot in some of these places, it'll be ugly.
These fucking bugs have a remorseless logic
Vaccinating the cities will protect the towns, because the key pools of infection are the cities which can then spread to the towns as people go from a town to a city or vice-versa, but once it dies off in the cities which it will before too long, where are the towns going to get infected from?
.. but they have a poor healthcare system, they are very obese (and this has been gravely worsened by lockdowns), there are lots of vulnerable people who won't get vaxxed: addicts, homeless
I think it could get very messy in cities like LA, Frisco, Chicago, Miami
"The disparities are also reflected in vaccination rates. As of last week, 43% of Black and 52% of Latino residents of L.A. County had received at least one dose of vaccine, compared to 64% of white, 61% of Native American and 74% of Asian American residents."
The black vax rate in Chicago is levelling out at about 40%
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/vaccination-data-at-a-glance.html
Delta will sweep through the cities. Small isolated towns not as much.
It just takes one kid coming home from visiting friends in Atlanta to spread it round his entire class, and then the entire school.
Which would normally be fine... but if granny is living at home and isn't vaccinated, it could get pretty ugly.
We're completely free here (except on public transport).
But we also had CV19 run through the City really badly over Christmas. There were seven day periods where more than 1% of the population tested positive for Covid, and real numbers will have been much higher.
We also have pretty high levels of vaccination, even in the Hispanic communities, and doctors roam the homeless encampments. My daughter (13) is double vaxxed, and so are more of her friends. Plus, it's all Moderna + Pfizer, so it's a little bit more effective than AZN.
So, while I can see a mini bump coming along, there simply aren't that many unvaccinated oldies for it to hammer.0 -
Some poorer nations also have a very low median age, which reduces the impact of the disease.LostPassword said:
I think the countries there are just rich enough to be able to count Covid deaths, and have them be more noticeable in a way that they wouldn't be in a poorer country that still had higher mortality generally from other causes, but not rich enough to act effectively to control the disease.TimS said:Worrying though it is right now, I wonder if it may in the long term be a good thing that younger unvaxxed people are now catching and developing antibodies to the Delta variant. 1. It's the summer, and all the evidence suggests it's better to have a long fairly gentle simmer of cases in summer than a huge surge in winter, and 2. Delta already has some vaccine escape properties, and future variants will almost certainly evolve to escape immunity further, so having a pool of say 10% of the population who have been exposed to a more recent variant alongside the large proportion with enough immunity from vaccination to avoid serious illness and death might help us when the inevitable next big one (perhaps Delta+) comes along.
This surge is also an effective vax efficacy experiment. It is showing us in real time what the impact of each vaccine is on infection, hospitalisation and death. It means that when things finally do settle down, which they inevitably will, we will have more confidence than we would otherwise in what might happen next time there is a new variant or an uptick.
Latin America (ex-Chile) does look like a disaster zone though. Not so much a gentle simmer as a protracted rolling boil. Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Mexico show what might have been our fate had we gone for herd immunity via infection. I want to know why that region has done so badly for so long. I know there are high levels of obesity across the continent but it can't just be that.1 -
They've also had a perfect storm of variants: Covid 1, then Brazil, now Delta, never really recovering from one before the next kicked in. Delta Plus will now rampage through the continent, with such low vaccination rates (10% fully vaxxed in Colombia) they have no protectionLostPassword said:
I think the countries there are just rich enough to be able to count Covid deaths, and have them be more noticeable in a way that they wouldn't be in a poorer country that still had higher mortality generally from other causes, but not rich enough to act effectively to control the disease.TimS said:Worrying though it is right now, I wonder if it may in the long term be a good thing that younger unvaxxed people are now catching and developing antibodies to the Delta variant. 1. It's the summer, and all the evidence suggests it's better to have a long fairly gentle simmer of cases in summer than a huge surge in winter, and 2. Delta already has some vaccine escape properties, and future variants will almost certainly evolve to escape immunity further, so having a pool of say 10% of the population who have been exposed to a more recent variant alongside the large proportion with enough immunity from vaccination to avoid serious illness and death might help us when the inevitable next big one (perhaps Delta+) comes along.
This surge is also an effective vax efficacy experiment. It is showing us in real time what the impact of each vaccine is on infection, hospitalisation and death. It means that when things finally do settle down, which they inevitably will, we will have more confidence than we would otherwise in what might happen next time there is a new variant or an uptick.
Latin America (ex-Chile) does look like a disaster zone though. Not so much a gentle simmer as a protracted rolling boil. Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Mexico show what might have been our fate had we gone for herd immunity via infection. I want to know why that region has done so badly for so long. I know there are high levels of obesity across the continent but it can't just be that.
Awful
Also seasonality doesn't seem to have helped them - hot and cold, summer or winter, the virus ravages.
I agree that obesity must be a factor
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7753730/0 -
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.0 -
Peru has had deaths more than 300% above normal levels.Leon said:An unseen horror show is unfolding in Colombia
100,000 dead and still peaking. Bodies left in the streets. Like Ecuador a year ago
https://twitter.com/mikeariza/status/1407731959070183426?s=20
Colombia es el tercer país del mundo con más muertes reportadas por COVID-19. Y está detrás de Brasil, que tiene 214 millones de habitantes, e India, con cerca de 1.400 millones. A TODAS LUCES ESTAMOS ENFRENTANDO UNA CATÁSTROFE DE PROPORCIONES HISTÓRICAS"
See: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid0 -
Incidentally scottish hospital figures are matching England's in levelling off/falling even as the cases mount1
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Did we ever get a good explanation for why older people are so much more vulnerable?Sean_F said:
Some poorer nations also have a very low median age, which reduces the impact of the disease.LostPassword said:
I think the countries there are just rich enough to be able to count Covid deaths, and have them be more noticeable in a way that they wouldn't be in a poorer country that still had higher mortality generally from other causes, but not rich enough to act effectively to control the disease.TimS said:Worrying though it is right now, I wonder if it may in the long term be a good thing that younger unvaxxed people are now catching and developing antibodies to the Delta variant. 1. It's the summer, and all the evidence suggests it's better to have a long fairly gentle simmer of cases in summer than a huge surge in winter, and 2. Delta already has some vaccine escape properties, and future variants will almost certainly evolve to escape immunity further, so having a pool of say 10% of the population who have been exposed to a more recent variant alongside the large proportion with enough immunity from vaccination to avoid serious illness and death might help us when the inevitable next big one (perhaps Delta+) comes along.
This surge is also an effective vax efficacy experiment. It is showing us in real time what the impact of each vaccine is on infection, hospitalisation and death. It means that when things finally do settle down, which they inevitably will, we will have more confidence than we would otherwise in what might happen next time there is a new variant or an uptick.
Latin America (ex-Chile) does look like a disaster zone though. Not so much a gentle simmer as a protracted rolling boil. Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Mexico show what might have been our fate had we gone for herd immunity via infection. I want to know why that region has done so badly for so long. I know there are high levels of obesity across the continent but it can't just be that.0 -
The blame lies solely with the school. She (and her parents) were well within their right to petition the supreme court.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.0 -
Good news. And yet the vax rates are poor. 40% of black Americans? That's simply not good enoughrcs1000 said:
Yes, we have.Leon said:
What's the lockdown/masking situation in, eg, LA? Have you all been released, possibly prematurely?rcs1000 said:
Well, I'm not going to deny that a lot of the big cities are going to have problems. But small towns aren't completely out of the woods.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes inner city African Americans refusing the vaccine is much, much more concerning than deep south hicksville rednecks refusing it.Leon said:
America also has other viral advantages - warmer and sunnier in the south, everyone drives and no one takes the bus/train....Philip_Thompson said:
Small towns are very socially distanced naturally.Leon said:
How could Delta not run riot? That's what it DOES. C'est son metierrcs1000 said:
It's probably even worse than that: in the big urban areas of the American South (Birmingham, Atlanta, etc.) vaccination rates are reasonably high.contrarian said:
Jill Biden was in Tennessee yesterday pointing out only 3 in 10 of the state's population are vaccinated.Leon said:*DELTA VARIANT SEEN IN 20% OF RECENT US COVID CASES: CDC CHIEF*
America may be a lab for vaccination in the same way as it was a lab for lockdown.
But if you go to small towns and cities, then vaccination rates collapse. Just 23% of residents of Lafayette County AK, 18% of Hempstead County, and 14% of Winston County Alabama. In Winston County, not even a third of the over 65s are vaccinated.
If Delta runs riot in some of these places, it'll be ugly.
These fucking bugs have a remorseless logic
Vaccinating the cities will protect the towns, because the key pools of infection are the cities which can then spread to the towns as people go from a town to a city or vice-versa, but once it dies off in the cities which it will before too long, where are the towns going to get infected from?
.. but they have a poor healthcare system, they are very obese (and this has been gravely worsened by lockdowns), there are lots of vulnerable people who won't get vaxxed: addicts, homeless
I think it could get very messy in cities like LA, Frisco, Chicago, Miami
"The disparities are also reflected in vaccination rates. As of last week, 43% of Black and 52% of Latino residents of L.A. County had received at least one dose of vaccine, compared to 64% of white, 61% of Native American and 74% of Asian American residents."
The black vax rate in Chicago is levelling out at about 40%
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/vaccination-data-at-a-glance.html
Delta will sweep through the cities. Small isolated towns not as much.
It just takes one kid coming home from visiting friends in Atlanta to spread it round his entire class, and then the entire school.
Which would normally be fine... but if granny is living at home and isn't vaccinated, it could get pretty ugly.
We're completely free here (except on public transport).
But we also had CV19 run through the City really badly over Christmas. There were seven day periods where more than 1% of the population tested positive for Covid, and real numbers will have been much higher.
We also have pretty high levels of vaccination, even in the Hispanic communities, and doctors roam the homeless encampments. My daughter (13) is double vaxxed, and so are more of her friends. Plus, it's all Moderna + Pfizer, so it's a little bit more effective than AZN.
So, while I can see a mini bump coming along, there simply aren't that many unvaccinated oldies for it to hammer.
And America as a whole is topping out at about 60%?
As contrarian says, America will be a test tube mixing herd immunity + freedom + vax refusal + Delta0 -
No, you're quite right; I cocked up trying to do it too fast.rkrkrk said:
Maybe I'm misreading this -> but how have you got hospitalizations for the future?Andy_Cooke said:
To follow on from this:Andy_Cooke said:
Cases-hospitalisations is indeed about 7 days, but rather than thinking that cases had plateaued, we thought the rate of increase had reduced and stabilised (ie still growing exponentially, but slower than before).Stuartinromford said:
Having said that, isn't the standard timelineMalmesbury said:COVID Summary
Cases up alot.
Of most interest is that the admissions for England have plateaued or started falling across the entire age range.
Infection - Positive test takes about 7 days
Infection - Hospitalisation takes about 14 days?
We thought tests had plateaued about a week ago...
Snazzy multicoloured graph (I coloured each week differently so as to make weekly artefacts easier to spot at a glance) of reported cases in England since the low point:
The weekly drumbeat is down to people choosing not to go for tests on weekends, or being sent from work, so the dashed black line shows the rolling 7-day average. Hospitalisations tend to follow the 7-day average rather than being perfectly lagged from the specific cases on the day, as if you leave it later or go earlier, the time between infection and case specimen date will vary.
This is a bit of a rough visualisation of the issue.
The translucent bars are the cases in England against a given day.
The darker bars are the hospitalisations in England seven days later.
As we can see, as cases climbed, hospitalisations climbed much slower. And the levelling out in the most recent week comes off the highest level of cases yet.
E.g. bar for 19 June -> hospitalizations for 26 June?
Revised graph attached:
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It's the sign of a failing society when supreme court justices are getting involved in such trivial disputes as this.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.0 -
It was an extremely important free speech case as it defines where the limits and boundaries are.RobD said:
The blame lies solely with the school. She (and her parents) were well within their right to petition the supreme court.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.2 -
Fact of life. Your immune system just isn’t as goo the older you get. The outcomes for Covid are no different across the ages to say flu, when adjusted for intrinsic severity.LostPassword said:
Did we ever get a good explanation for why older people are so much more vulnerable?Sean_F said:
Some poorer nations also have a very low median age, which reduces the impact of the disease.LostPassword said:
I think the countries there are just rich enough to be able to count Covid deaths, and have them be more noticeable in a way that they wouldn't be in a poorer country that still had higher mortality generally from other causes, but not rich enough to act effectively to control the disease.TimS said:Worrying though it is right now, I wonder if it may in the long term be a good thing that younger unvaxxed people are now catching and developing antibodies to the Delta variant. 1. It's the summer, and all the evidence suggests it's better to have a long fairly gentle simmer of cases in summer than a huge surge in winter, and 2. Delta already has some vaccine escape properties, and future variants will almost certainly evolve to escape immunity further, so having a pool of say 10% of the population who have been exposed to a more recent variant alongside the large proportion with enough immunity from vaccination to avoid serious illness and death might help us when the inevitable next big one (perhaps Delta+) comes along.
This surge is also an effective vax efficacy experiment. It is showing us in real time what the impact of each vaccine is on infection, hospitalisation and death. It means that when things finally do settle down, which they inevitably will, we will have more confidence than we would otherwise in what might happen next time there is a new variant or an uptick.
Latin America (ex-Chile) does look like a disaster zone though. Not so much a gentle simmer as a protracted rolling boil. Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Mexico show what might have been our fate had we gone for herd immunity via infection. I want to know why that region has done so badly for so long. I know there are high levels of obesity across the continent but it can't just be that.0 -
World test championship has turned into the world's lowest ever 20-20 chase.
One more hour, or 15 more overs, whichever happens later.
Lol India won't be hurrying through to yield extra overs.0 -
But look - DANCING PLANES!!!DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
You LOVE these DANCING PLANES. Imagine if someone saw the DANCING PLANES in the dark, they might think these INCREDIBLE RUSSIAN DANCING PLANES were UFOS! HAHAHAHAH HOW STUPID0 -
But wasn't it notably different during the flu pandemic at the end of WWI, when it was young people who were particularly badly affected?turbotubbs said:
Fact of life. Your immune system just isn’t as goo the older you get. The outcomes for Covid are no different across the ages to say flu, when adjusted for intrinsic severity.LostPassword said:
Did we ever get a good explanation for why older people are so much more vulnerable?Sean_F said:
Some poorer nations also have a very low median age, which reduces the impact of the disease.LostPassword said:
I think the countries there are just rich enough to be able to count Covid deaths, and have them be more noticeable in a way that they wouldn't be in a poorer country that still had higher mortality generally from other causes, but not rich enough to act effectively to control the disease.TimS said:Worrying though it is right now, I wonder if it may in the long term be a good thing that younger unvaxxed people are now catching and developing antibodies to the Delta variant. 1. It's the summer, and all the evidence suggests it's better to have a long fairly gentle simmer of cases in summer than a huge surge in winter, and 2. Delta already has some vaccine escape properties, and future variants will almost certainly evolve to escape immunity further, so having a pool of say 10% of the population who have been exposed to a more recent variant alongside the large proportion with enough immunity from vaccination to avoid serious illness and death might help us when the inevitable next big one (perhaps Delta+) comes along.
This surge is also an effective vax efficacy experiment. It is showing us in real time what the impact of each vaccine is on infection, hospitalisation and death. It means that when things finally do settle down, which they inevitably will, we will have more confidence than we would otherwise in what might happen next time there is a new variant or an uptick.
Latin America (ex-Chile) does look like a disaster zone though. Not so much a gentle simmer as a protracted rolling boil. Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Mexico show what might have been our fate had we gone for herd immunity via infection. I want to know why that region has done so badly for so long. I know there are high levels of obesity across the continent but it can't just be that.0 -
That seems a bit over the top. Haven't many important legal concepts been crystallised by senior courts from cases which, in themselves, are pretty minor or petty?Andy_JS said:
It's the sign of a failing society when supreme court justices are getting involved in such trivial disputes as this.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
Edit: I was reading about one recently where a lawyer, on behalf of an essentially penniless person, took a case about a snail in a bottle all the way to the Supreme Court, which was apparently a very important case establishing principles around negligence.
Might be better to test these things out on petty stuff, frankly.0 -
It is also that the rest of you is not as good, surely (co-morbidities).turbotubbs said:
Fact of life. Your immune system just isn’t as goo the older you get. The outcomes for Covid are no different across the ages to say flu, when adjusted for intrinsic severity.LostPassword said:
Did we ever get a good explanation for why older people are so much more vulnerable?Sean_F said:
Some poorer nations also have a very low median age, which reduces the impact of the disease.LostPassword said:
I think the countries there are just rich enough to be able to count Covid deaths, and have them be more noticeable in a way that they wouldn't be in a poorer country that still had higher mortality generally from other causes, but not rich enough to act effectively to control the disease.TimS said:Worrying though it is right now, I wonder if it may in the long term be a good thing that younger unvaxxed people are now catching and developing antibodies to the Delta variant. 1. It's the summer, and all the evidence suggests it's better to have a long fairly gentle simmer of cases in summer than a huge surge in winter, and 2. Delta already has some vaccine escape properties, and future variants will almost certainly evolve to escape immunity further, so having a pool of say 10% of the population who have been exposed to a more recent variant alongside the large proportion with enough immunity from vaccination to avoid serious illness and death might help us when the inevitable next big one (perhaps Delta+) comes along.
This surge is also an effective vax efficacy experiment. It is showing us in real time what the impact of each vaccine is on infection, hospitalisation and death. It means that when things finally do settle down, which they inevitably will, we will have more confidence than we would otherwise in what might happen next time there is a new variant or an uptick.
Latin America (ex-Chile) does look like a disaster zone though. Not so much a gentle simmer as a protracted rolling boil. Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Mexico show what might have been our fate had we gone for herd immunity via infection. I want to know why that region has done so badly for so long. I know there are high levels of obesity across the continent but it can't just be that.
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You're sounding like a 9/11 truther.Leon said:
But look - DANCING PLANES!!!DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
You LOVE these DANCING PLANES. Imagine if someone saw the DANCING PLANES in the dark, they might think these INCREDIBLE RUSSIAN DANCING PLANES were UFOS! HAHAHAHAH HOW STUPID0 -
Have we signed over Gibraltar?Big_G_NorthWales said:What a gift to Spain
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Has Boris Johnson promised he will never hand over Gibraltar to the Spaniards?williamglenn said:
Have we signed over Gibraltar?Big_G_NorthWales said:What a gift to Spain
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To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOsDecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
I mean, you have to wait until at least the 9th second of the video, before it looks laughably ridiculous
I also recommend
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when they hang in the sky in a way that only a clown would believe
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where they hover over sand without causing any disturbance, with such brilliant fakery you need an IQ over 12 to spot it
and
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where they land and people with an actual brain can clearly see the video is a mix of CGI and remote control toys which are about 3 inches long
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What a treble miss from Lewandowski. Laughable on your local park.0
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Is the dancing planes video a fake? I can't tell.0
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DecrepiterJohnL posted the DANCING PLANES video earlier, as proof of advanced military technology that might fool people into thinking they were seeing UFOs; he was apparently unaware the video is a comical fakeTheScreamingEagles said:
You're sounding like a 9/11 truther.Leon said:
But look - DANCING PLANES!!!DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
You LOVE these DANCING PLANES. Imagine if someone saw the DANCING PLANES in the dark, they might think these INCREDIBLE RUSSIAN DANCING PLANES were UFOS! HAHAHAHAH HOW STUPID0 -
As things stand, England are definitely on the right side of the draw:
Last 16 v second in Group F
QF v Sweden/Ukraine
SF v Netherlands/Czech Republic/Denmark/Wales
Much better than Croatia:
Last 16 v Spain
QF v first in Group F or Switzerland
SF v Italy/Austria/Belgium/third in Group F0 -
Duh, meant House Lords not Supreme Court, modern parlance just got muddled in my head.kle4 said:
That seems a bit over the top. Haven't many important legal concepts been crystallised by senior courts from cases which, in themselves, are pretty minor or petty?Andy_JS said:
It's the sign of a failing society when supreme court justices are getting involved in such trivial disputes as this.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
Edit: I was reading about one recently where a lawyer, on behalf of an essentially penniless person, took a case about a snail in a bottle all the way to the Supreme Court, which was apparently a very important case establishing principles around negligence.
Might be better to test these things out on petty stuff, frankly.0 -
Not expecting JCVI decision on vaccinating children very soon, I hear - demand among adults in UK is so high that scientists can take their time to gather more evidence before issuing advice.
Story @theipaper: https://t.co/cwxjCLhVJV0 -
Sweden vs Poland BE odds:
Sweden 1.7
Poland 6.6
Draw 3.8
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My understanding is that South America is hit hard because they have a Brazilian Gamma variant and low efficacy chinese vaccine.0
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donoghue_v_Stevensonkle4 said:
Duh, meant House Lords not Supreme Court, modern parlance just got muddled in my head.kle4 said:
That seems a bit over the top. Haven't many important legal concepts been crystallised by senior courts from cases which, in themselves, are pretty minor or petty?Andy_JS said:
It's the sign of a failing society when supreme court justices are getting involved in such trivial disputes as this.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.
Edit: I was reading about one recently where a lawyer, on behalf of an essentially penniless person, took a case about a snail in a bottle all the way to the Supreme Court, which was apparently a very important case establishing principles around negligence.
Might be better to test these things out on petty stuff, frankly.1 -
With the greatest of respect, comrade Leon, you are not well-placed to tease people tediously for believing in weird theories.Leon said:
To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOs
[and on and on..]6 -
Oh, let me have my fun (it amuses me, on an otherwise dark Covid day)NickPalmer said:
With the greatest of respect, comrade Leon, you are not well-placed to tease people tediously for believing in weird theories.Leon said:
To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOs
[and on and on..]
To be fair to Decrepiter, I did look at that video for about a minute, in amazement, before it became abundantly clear it was comedic fakery
It is actually cited in an apparently sensible website, too, so he can take some solace there:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/fighter-jets-videos/spectacular-videos-of-rc-mikoyan-mig-29-ovt-vectored-thrust-demo/15573/
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LOL, Finland are still alive.0
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And low uptake of vaccines, generally. And shanty towns. And high incidence of respiratory diseases and TB that means people are already weakened.FrancisUrquhart said:My understanding is that South America is hit hard because they have a Brazilian Gamma variant and low efficacy chinese vaccine.
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On the subject of Delta variant in the US there are now 6 states and 1 territories with cases rising according to the NYT tracker, witch uses a 14 day comparison, (with fully vaccinated % from Blumberg tracker in brackets)Leon said:
What's the lockdown/masking situation in, eg, LA? Have you all been released, possibly prematurely?rcs1000 said:
Well, I'm not going to deny that a lot of the big cities are going to have problems. But small towns aren't completely out of the woods.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes inner city African Americans refusing the vaccine is much, much more concerning than deep south hicksville rednecks refusing it.Leon said:
America also has other viral advantages - warmer and sunnier in the south, everyone drives and no one takes the bus/train....Philip_Thompson said:
Small towns are very socially distanced naturally.Leon said:
How could Delta not run riot? That's what it DOES. C'est son metierrcs1000 said:
It's probably even worse than that: in the big urban areas of the American South (Birmingham, Atlanta, etc.) vaccination rates are reasonably high.contrarian said:
Jill Biden was in Tennessee yesterday pointing out only 3 in 10 of the state's population are vaccinated.Leon said:*DELTA VARIANT SEEN IN 20% OF RECENT US COVID CASES: CDC CHIEF*
America may be a lab for vaccination in the same way as it was a lab for lockdown.
But if you go to small towns and cities, then vaccination rates collapse. Just 23% of residents of Lafayette County AK, 18% of Hempstead County, and 14% of Winston County Alabama. In Winston County, not even a third of the over 65s are vaccinated.
If Delta runs riot in some of these places, it'll be ugly.
These fucking bugs have a remorseless logic
Vaccinating the cities will protect the towns, because the key pools of infection are the cities which can then spread to the towns as people go from a town to a city or vice-versa, but once it dies off in the cities which it will before too long, where are the towns going to get infected from?
.. but they have a poor healthcare system, they are very obese (and this has been gravely worsened by lockdowns), there are lots of vulnerable people who won't get vaxxed: addicts, homeless
I think it could get very messy in cities like LA, Frisco, Chicago, Miami
"The disparities are also reflected in vaccination rates. As of last week, 43% of Black and 52% of Latino residents of L.A. County had received at least one dose of vaccine, compared to 64% of white, 61% of Native American and 74% of Asian American residents."
The black vax rate in Chicago is levelling out at about 40%
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/vaccination-data-at-a-glance.html
Delta will sweep through the cities. Small isolated towns not as much.
It just takes one kid coming home from visiting friends in Atlanta to spread it round his entire class, and then the entire school.
Which would normally be fine... but if granny is living at home and isn't vaccinated, it could get pretty ugly.
Oklahoma +68% (37.4%)
Missouri +45% (38.1%)
Arkansas +42% (33.4%)
Guam +26% (51.3%)
Alaska +20% (41.8%)
Utah +15% (36.5%)
New Mexico +12% (52.5%)
US Av -21% (45.3%)
So 5 of the 7 are below the US average, but on the other hand of the 10 states/territories with the lowest Vaccination rates only one is rising.0 -
The US is still "taking their vaccines".Leon said:
Good news. And yet the vax rates are poor. 40% of black Americans? That's simply not good enoughrcs1000 said:
Yes, we have.Leon said:
What's the lockdown/masking situation in, eg, LA? Have you all been released, possibly prematurely?rcs1000 said:
Well, I'm not going to deny that a lot of the big cities are going to have problems. But small towns aren't completely out of the woods.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes inner city African Americans refusing the vaccine is much, much more concerning than deep south hicksville rednecks refusing it.Leon said:
America also has other viral advantages - warmer and sunnier in the south, everyone drives and no one takes the bus/train....Philip_Thompson said:
Small towns are very socially distanced naturally.Leon said:
How could Delta not run riot? That's what it DOES. C'est son metierrcs1000 said:
It's probably even worse than that: in the big urban areas of the American South (Birmingham, Atlanta, etc.) vaccination rates are reasonably high.contrarian said:
Jill Biden was in Tennessee yesterday pointing out only 3 in 10 of the state's population are vaccinated.Leon said:*DELTA VARIANT SEEN IN 20% OF RECENT US COVID CASES: CDC CHIEF*
America may be a lab for vaccination in the same way as it was a lab for lockdown.
But if you go to small towns and cities, then vaccination rates collapse. Just 23% of residents of Lafayette County AK, 18% of Hempstead County, and 14% of Winston County Alabama. In Winston County, not even a third of the over 65s are vaccinated.
If Delta runs riot in some of these places, it'll be ugly.
These fucking bugs have a remorseless logic
Vaccinating the cities will protect the towns, because the key pools of infection are the cities which can then spread to the towns as people go from a town to a city or vice-versa, but once it dies off in the cities which it will before too long, where are the towns going to get infected from?
.. but they have a poor healthcare system, they are very obese (and this has been gravely worsened by lockdowns), there are lots of vulnerable people who won't get vaxxed: addicts, homeless
I think it could get very messy in cities like LA, Frisco, Chicago, Miami
"The disparities are also reflected in vaccination rates. As of last week, 43% of Black and 52% of Latino residents of L.A. County had received at least one dose of vaccine, compared to 64% of white, 61% of Native American and 74% of Asian American residents."
The black vax rate in Chicago is levelling out at about 40%
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/vaccination-data-at-a-glance.html
Delta will sweep through the cities. Small isolated towns not as much.
It just takes one kid coming home from visiting friends in Atlanta to spread it round his entire class, and then the entire school.
Which would normally be fine... but if granny is living at home and isn't vaccinated, it could get pretty ugly.
We're completely free here (except on public transport).
But we also had CV19 run through the City really badly over Christmas. There were seven day periods where more than 1% of the population tested positive for Covid, and real numbers will have been much higher.
We also have pretty high levels of vaccination, even in the Hispanic communities, and doctors roam the homeless encampments. My daughter (13) is double vaxxed, and so are more of her friends. Plus, it's all Moderna + Pfizer, so it's a little bit more effective than AZN.
So, while I can see a mini bump coming along, there simply aren't that many unvaccinated oldies for it to hammer.
And America as a whole is topping out at about 60%?
As contrarian says, America will be a test tube mixing herd immunity + freedom + vax refusal + Delta
Outside the deep South, vaccines continue to be jabbed into arms. In California, its 60% of the population with at least one jab, and 45% who are double jabbed, and the line continues to be up and to the right.
When Delta hits hard in some of these communities, it will spur vaccine uptake.0 -
What a goal Lewandowski.0
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One more goal for Spain and the Helsinki dream lives on
Can't see Portugal shipping 4 mind.0 -
I think population density and luck are the biggest factors.BigRich said:
On the subject of Delta variant in the US there are now 6 states and 1 territories with cases rising according to the NYT tracker, witch uses a 14 day comparison, (with fully vaccinated % from Blumberg tracker in brackets)Leon said:
What's the lockdown/masking situation in, eg, LA? Have you all been released, possibly prematurely?rcs1000 said:
Well, I'm not going to deny that a lot of the big cities are going to have problems. But small towns aren't completely out of the woods.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes inner city African Americans refusing the vaccine is much, much more concerning than deep south hicksville rednecks refusing it.Leon said:
America also has other viral advantages - warmer and sunnier in the south, everyone drives and no one takes the bus/train....Philip_Thompson said:
Small towns are very socially distanced naturally.Leon said:
How could Delta not run riot? That's what it DOES. C'est son metierrcs1000 said:
It's probably even worse than that: in the big urban areas of the American South (Birmingham, Atlanta, etc.) vaccination rates are reasonably high.contrarian said:
Jill Biden was in Tennessee yesterday pointing out only 3 in 10 of the state's population are vaccinated.Leon said:*DELTA VARIANT SEEN IN 20% OF RECENT US COVID CASES: CDC CHIEF*
America may be a lab for vaccination in the same way as it was a lab for lockdown.
But if you go to small towns and cities, then vaccination rates collapse. Just 23% of residents of Lafayette County AK, 18% of Hempstead County, and 14% of Winston County Alabama. In Winston County, not even a third of the over 65s are vaccinated.
If Delta runs riot in some of these places, it'll be ugly.
These fucking bugs have a remorseless logic
Vaccinating the cities will protect the towns, because the key pools of infection are the cities which can then spread to the towns as people go from a town to a city or vice-versa, but once it dies off in the cities which it will before too long, where are the towns going to get infected from?
.. but they have a poor healthcare system, they are very obese (and this has been gravely worsened by lockdowns), there are lots of vulnerable people who won't get vaxxed: addicts, homeless
I think it could get very messy in cities like LA, Frisco, Chicago, Miami
"The disparities are also reflected in vaccination rates. As of last week, 43% of Black and 52% of Latino residents of L.A. County had received at least one dose of vaccine, compared to 64% of white, 61% of Native American and 74% of Asian American residents."
The black vax rate in Chicago is levelling out at about 40%
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid19-vaccine/home/vaccination-data-at-a-glance.html
Delta will sweep through the cities. Small isolated towns not as much.
It just takes one kid coming home from visiting friends in Atlanta to spread it round his entire class, and then the entire school.
Which would normally be fine... but if granny is living at home and isn't vaccinated, it could get pretty ugly.
Oklahoma +68% (37.4%)
Missouri +45% (38.1%)
Arkansas +42% (33.4%)
Guam +26% (51.3%)
Alaska +20% (41.8%)
Utah +15% (36.5%)
New Mexico +12% (52.5%)
US Av -21% (45.3%)
So 5 of the 7 are below the US average, but on the other hand of the 10 states/territories with the lowest Vaccination rates only one is rising.
Luck, in this case, being "did Delta arrive in Small Town, AK before or after school ended."1 -
Technically it isn't comedy or fakery, it is a flight simulator for radio controlled aircraft.Leon said:
Oh, let me have my fun (it amuses me, on an otherwise dark Covid day)NickPalmer said:
With the greatest of respect, comrade Leon, you are not well-placed to tease people tediously for believing in weird theories.Leon said:
To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOs
[and on and on..]
To be fair to Decrepiter, I did look at that video for about a minute, in amazement, before it became abundantly clear it was comedic fakery
It is actually cited in an apparently sensible website, too, so he can take some solace there:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/fighter-jets-videos/spectacular-videos-of-rc-mikoyan-mig-29-ovt-vectored-thrust-demo/15573/
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Thanks - this is a brilliant visualization technique. Trying to work out if you need consistent scale or log scale for it to be comparable...Andy_Cooke said:
No, you're quite right; I cocked up trying to do it too fast.rkrkrk said:
Maybe I'm misreading this -> but how have you got hospitalizations for the future?Andy_Cooke said:
To follow on from this:Andy_Cooke said:
Cases-hospitalisations is indeed about 7 days, but rather than thinking that cases had plateaued, we thought the rate of increase had reduced and stabilised (ie still growing exponentially, but slower than before).Stuartinromford said:
Having said that, isn't the standard timelineMalmesbury said:COVID Summary
Cases up alot.
Of most interest is that the admissions for England have plateaued or started falling across the entire age range.
Infection - Positive test takes about 7 days
Infection - Hospitalisation takes about 14 days?
We thought tests had plateaued about a week ago...
Snazzy multicoloured graph (I coloured each week differently so as to make weekly artefacts easier to spot at a glance) of reported cases in England since the low point:
The weekly drumbeat is down to people choosing not to go for tests on weekends, or being sent from work, so the dashed black line shows the rolling 7-day average. Hospitalisations tend to follow the 7-day average rather than being perfectly lagged from the specific cases on the day, as if you leave it later or go earlier, the time between infection and case specimen date will vary.
This is a bit of a rough visualisation of the issue.
The translucent bars are the cases in England against a given day.
The darker bars are the hospitalisations in England seven days later.
As we can see, as cases climbed, hospitalisations climbed much slower. And the levelling out in the most recent week comes off the highest level of cases yet.
E.g. bar for 19 June -> hospitalizations for 26 June?
Revised graph attached:
My reading would be still fair bit of growth to come in the purple hospitalizations.0 -
That video has had 45 million views! I can't believe there is so much enthusiasm for remote controlled flight simulation?Flatlander said:
Technically it isn't comedy or fakery, it is a flight simulator for radio controlled aircraft.Leon said:
Oh, let me have my fun (it amuses me, on an otherwise dark Covid day)NickPalmer said:
With the greatest of respect, comrade Leon, you are not well-placed to tease people tediously for believing in weird theories.Leon said:
To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOs
[and on and on..]
To be fair to Decrepiter, I did look at that video for about a minute, in amazement, before it became abundantly clear it was comedic fakery
It is actually cited in an apparently sensible website, too, so he can take some solace there:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/fighter-jets-videos/spectacular-videos-of-rc-mikoyan-mig-29-ovt-vectored-thrust-demo/15573/
(Aerofly RC 8)
Of course there isn't
I bet most of those 45m have looked at that and thought "OMG Russian planes can dance!"
EDIT: in a world of deepfakes getting better and better, this suggests a looming problem. Soon there will be videos of dancing planes that look completely real.... Will nations menace each other with deepfake weaponry? Why not?0 -
Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)0 -
I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?0 -
Also extremely disingenuous of her, considering we test and sequence on a far greater scale. Almost to our detrimentCarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)0 -
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)2 -
Jesus, Slovakia0
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It's already too late and that August timeframe looks very optimistic given how quickly Delta became dominant here.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)1 -
The last time the UK was at 15k cases a day deaths were at about 450 a day. What are they now?Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?2 -
We should be like China and actively spread it in Europe, while locking down at homeMaxPB said:
It's already too late and that August timeframe looks very optimistic given how quickly Delta became dominant here.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
Onwards, Britons, to the sunbeds of the Balearics0 -
Maybe all 45m looked at it and thought OMG, I can't believe someone took this as real...Leon said:
That video has had 45 million views! I can't believe there is so much enthusiasm for remote controlled flight simuation?Flatlander said:
Technically it isn't comedy or fakery, it is a flight simulator for radio controlled aircraft.Leon said:
Oh, let me have my fun (it amuses me, on an otherwise dark Covid day)NickPalmer said:
With the greatest of respect, comrade Leon, you are not well-placed to tease people tediously for believing in weird theories.Leon said:
To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOs
[and on and on..]
To be fair to Decrepiter, I did look at that video for about a minute, in amazement, before it became abundantly clear it was comedic fakery
It is actually cited in an apparently sensible website, too, so he can take some solace there:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/fighter-jets-videos/spectacular-videos-of-rc-mikoyan-mig-29-ovt-vectored-thrust-demo/15573/
(Aerofly RC 8)
Of course there isn't
I bet most of those 45m have looked at that and thought "OMG Russian planes can dance!"
It might actually be physically possible with a real RC aircraft as they do tend to have a ridiculous power to weight ratio. Alternatively, someone might have just messed with the parameters.
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Another goal for Poland and Spain win the group.
Which would shake up the draw somewhat.
Specifically a Spain England QF potentially.0 -
Group F could be hilarious if they all try to avoid top spot.0
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Nations have always relief on bluffs and lies if they can, it's easier.Leon said:
Will nations menace each other with deepfake weaponry? Why not?Flatlander said:
Technically it isn't comedy or fakery, it is a flight simulator for radio controlled aircraft.Leon said:
Oh, let me have my fun (it amuses me, on an otherwise dark Covid day)NickPalmer said:
With the greatest of respect, comrade Leon, you are not well-placed to tease people tediously for believing in weird theories.Leon said:
To be fair I can see why you were taken in by the DANCING PLANES video which you linked earlier, to disprove UFOs
[and on and on..]
To be fair to Decrepiter, I did look at that video for about a minute, in amazement, before it became abundantly clear it was comedic fakery
It is actually cited in an apparently sensible website, too, so he can take some solace there:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/fighter-jets-videos/spectacular-videos-of-rc-mikoyan-mig-29-ovt-vectored-thrust-demo/15573/
(Aerofly RC 8)
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Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)1 -
53% of nothing is nothing.Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?
7 day average for deaths is 14.
Average deaths per day in a normal year: 1644
Covid deaths aren't even 1% of normal deaths.1 -
Considering they're miles behind in vaccinations it's not that ridiculous.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
Though what would make more sense is shutting down Schengen.2 -
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks? No, not unless your job depends entirely on British tourismCookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
But then, many do. A close friend of mine is on the Algarve and she says it is catastrophic there. Almost no tourists, businesses closing forever1 -
My head hurts trying to work out the permutations.tlg86 said:Group F could be hilarious if they all try to avoid top spot.
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Schengen has been largely suspended.Philip_Thompson said:
Considering they're miles behind in vaccinations it's not that ridiculous.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
Though what would make more sense is shutting down Schengen.0 -
What are you suggesting we do? My inference is that you're suggesting we lock down forever.Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?0 -
To be fair, there's a lag between cases and deaths. Nevertheless, it is *extremely* encouraging that hospital bed usage (in England at least) is growing dramatically slower than case numbers.RobD said:
The last time the UK was at 15k cases a day deaths were at about 450 a day. What are they now?Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?1 -
There's a reason we're finding "lots of Delta-sodden Brits":Leon said:
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks?Cookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
The UK positivity rate is a lot lower than most EU countries.
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Haven't they just said that it's going to be restored at the end of the month?rcs1000 said:
Schengen has been largely suspended.Philip_Thompson said:
Considering they're miles behind in vaccinations it's not that ridiculous.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
Though what would make more sense is shutting down Schengen.
Delta spreading in the UK is no big deal as we're pretty much done with vaccinations and have double dosed all the vulnerable. That's not the case in Germany or the EU generally.0 -
Oh Sweden.0
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Deaths by day of deathrcs1000 said:
To be fair, there's a lag between cases and deaths. Nevertheless, it is *extremely* encouraging that hospital bed usage (in England at least) is growing dramatically slower than case numbers.RobD said:
The last time the UK was at 15k cases a day deaths were at about 450 a day. What are they now?Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?
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In the US, freedom of speech issues are considered important enough for its highest courts to take up. I wish the UK would take this right more seriously.DecrepiterJohnL said:
On the one hand, this is very impressive. Justice is open to everyone. Shades of the Winslow Boy. But really WTF. Hasn't the Supreme Court of the United States got better things to do? And the school! Couldn't the school have given her a stern telling off and a warning that a reporter would dredge up her social media activity in 30 years time to undermine her White House run?Nigelb said:Cheerleader wins !
BREAKING: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a high school cheerleader cut from her squad for using the middle finger and the word "f**k" on Snapchat.
The case is a victory for off-campus free speech and has roots in student Vietnam War protests. Only Justice Thomas dissented.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1407716872410353676
And Thomas continues to be a miserable old fnck.1 -
Congratulations New Zealand on becoming world test cricket champions.6
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I last saw my daughter in Australia when she was 13
At this rate she will be 16 before I see her again. Maybe
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Not a fake video but fake (RC) planes. Or UFOs.Andy_JS said:Is the dancing planes video a fake? I can't tell.
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This has been the case throughout the Spring (and variant sequencing capacity in most of the EU is also still very limited, IIRC.) You're less likely to find problems if you're not looking very hard for them.CarlottaVance said:
There's a reason we're finding "lots of Delta-sodden Brits":Leon said:
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks?Cookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
The UK positivity rate is a lot lower than most EU countries.3 -
Why do ITV always choose the wrong match to show on their flagship channel? Sweden vs Poland is
on digital channel 25.0 -
Not just UEFA.....
Latest: UK government has quietly exempted travellers attending the Climate Change #COP26 conference, Global Education Summit & ‘related events’ from both quarantine and testing
(This is in addition to exempting 3,000 UEFA ‘VIPs’ from quarantine too)
Wow. #OneRuleForOne...
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Rather common goverment motto of course.Black_Rook said:
You're less likely to find problems if you're not looking very hard for them.CarlottaVance said:
There's a reason we're finding "lots of Delta-sodden Brits":Leon said:
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks?Cookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
The UK positivity rate is a lot lower than most EU countries.0 -
More importantly Rob is taking the down slope.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, there's a lag between cases and deaths. Nevertheless, it is *extremely* encouraging that hospital bed usage (in England at least) is growing dramatically slower than case numbers.RobD said:
The last time the UK was at 15k cases a day deaths were at about 450 a day. What are they now?Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?
For the comparable case numbers in September deaths 7 day average was 47.0 -
Quietly exempted? These exemptions have always been there.CarlottaVance said:Not just UEFA.....
Latest: UK government has quietly exempted travellers attending the Climate Change #COP26 conference, Global Education Summit & ‘related events’ from both quarantine and testing
(This is in addition to exempting 3,000 UEFA ‘VIPs’ from quarantine too)
Wow. #OneRuleForOne...
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We're reaching the point where maybe we should stop testing.Black_Rook said:
This has been the case throughout the Spring (and variant sequencing capacity in most of the EU is also still very limited, IIRC.) You're less likely to find problems if you're not looking very hard for them.CarlottaVance said:
There's a reason we're finding "lots of Delta-sodden Brits":Leon said:
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks?Cookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
The UK positivity rate is a lot lower than most EU countries.
A million tests per day must be costing billions that could be better put to some other use. We don't spend billions testing for the flu and with the vulnerable vaccinated that's basically what this is now.1 -
I was looking at the upward slope, but before the wave in December/January.Alistair said:
More importantly Rob is taking the down slope.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, there's a lag between cases and deaths. Nevertheless, it is *extremely* encouraging that hospital bed usage (in England at least) is growing dramatically slower than case numbers.RobD said:
The last time the UK was at 15k cases a day deaths were at about 450 a day. What are they now?Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?
For the comparable case numbers in September deaths 7 day average was 47.0 -
Sweden 3 — Poland 2.0
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Get in Sweden.0
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And suddenly we don't have Spain in the QF...0
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Just a month ago the German COVID pandemic was not under control according to WHO guidelines....
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I never know quite what is meant when quietly is used in these contexts. Sometimes you see 'quietly announced' regs, guidance or whatever - I mean, if something is announced at what point does it become quiet?RobD said:
Quietly exempted? These exemptions have always been there.CarlottaVance said:Not just UEFA.....
Latest: UK government has quietly exempted travellers attending the Climate Change #COP26 conference, Global Education Summit & ‘related events’ from both quarantine and testing
(This is in addition to exempting 3,000 UEFA ‘VIPs’ from quarantine too)
Wow. #OneRuleForOne...
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1407755840204034052?s=200 -
That goal for Sweden was sub-optimal on my bet on Spain making the final...0
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What for UEFA VIP's?RobD said:
Quietly exempted? These exemptions have always been there.CarlottaVance said:Not just UEFA.....
Latest: UK government has quietly exempted travellers attending the Climate Change #COP26 conference, Global Education Summit & ‘related events’ from both quarantine and testing
(This is in addition to exempting 3,000 UEFA ‘VIPs’ from quarantine too)
Wow. #OneRuleForOne...
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1407755840204034052?s=20
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If things proceed as we hope they will and the third wave effectively turns out to be something of a damp squib, then there's certainly a case for it. OTOH, the authorities may want to be keeping the test and trace apparatus running, and encourage people to keep using it, in case more nasty variants.Philip_Thompson said:
We're reaching the point where maybe we should stop testing.Black_Rook said:
This has been the case throughout the Spring (and variant sequencing capacity in most of the EU is also still very limited, IIRC.) You're less likely to find problems if you're not looking very hard for them.CarlottaVance said:
There's a reason we're finding "lots of Delta-sodden Brits":Leon said:
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks?Cookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
The UK positivity rate is a lot lower than most EU countries.
A million tests per day must be costing billions that could be better put to some other use. We don't spend billions testing for the flu and with the vulnerable vaccinated that's basically what this is now.0 -
My Ukraine sweepstake entry lives2
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We're reaching the point where morons really should shut up.Philip_Thompson said:
We're reaching the point where maybe we should stop testing.Black_Rook said:
This has been the case throughout the Spring (and variant sequencing capacity in most of the EU is also still very limited, IIRC.) You're less likely to find problems if you're not looking very hard for them.CarlottaVance said:
There's a reason we're finding "lots of Delta-sodden Brits":Leon said:
She's got a point however. Would you want loads of Delta-sodden Brits coming to your town in the next few weeks?Cookie said:
Spoken like only the leader of a country not dependent on summer tourism could.Pulpstar said:
It's ridiculous, the amount of fighting the last war that's been going on in this pandemic is astounding.CarlottaVance said:Angela Merkel has said travellers from the UK should be quarantined wherever they arrive in the EU, as the union’s agency for disease control forecast that the Delta variant of Covid will account for 90% of cases in member states by the end of August.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel
Even if they're double jabbed? (Which of course 50% more of them are, than in Germany...)
The UK positivity rate is a lot lower than most EU countries.0 -
Yep, it's all on the gov.uk website where you can see the requirements for who needs to quarantine etc. Some journalists think things are new if they have only just heard of it.bigjohnowls said:
What for UEFA VIP's?RobD said:
Quietly exempted? These exemptions have always been there.CarlottaVance said:Not just UEFA.....
Latest: UK government has quietly exempted travellers attending the Climate Change #COP26 conference, Global Education Summit & ‘related events’ from both quarantine and testing
(This is in addition to exempting 3,000 UEFA ‘VIPs’ from quarantine too)
Wow. #OneRuleForOne...
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I'm sure there is. But numbers in hospital growing at 19% per week, is not that big a deal. We get to everyone vaccinated long before the hospitals get anywhere near overflowing.rkrkrk said:
Thanks - this is a brilliant visualization technique. Trying to work out if you need consistent scale or log scale for it to be comparable...Andy_Cooke said:
No, you're quite right; I cocked up trying to do it too fast.rkrkrk said:
Maybe I'm misreading this -> but how have you got hospitalizations for the future?Andy_Cooke said:
To follow on from this:Andy_Cooke said:
Cases-hospitalisations is indeed about 7 days, but rather than thinking that cases had plateaued, we thought the rate of increase had reduced and stabilised (ie still growing exponentially, but slower than before).Stuartinromford said:
Having said that, isn't the standard timelineMalmesbury said:COVID Summary
Cases up alot.
Of most interest is that the admissions for England have plateaued or started falling across the entire age range.
Infection - Positive test takes about 7 days
Infection - Hospitalisation takes about 14 days?
We thought tests had plateaued about a week ago...
Snazzy multicoloured graph (I coloured each week differently so as to make weekly artefacts easier to spot at a glance) of reported cases in England since the low point:
The weekly drumbeat is down to people choosing not to go for tests on weekends, or being sent from work, so the dashed black line shows the rolling 7-day average. Hospitalisations tend to follow the 7-day average rather than being perfectly lagged from the specific cases on the day, as if you leave it later or go earlier, the time between infection and case specimen date will vary.
This is a bit of a rough visualisation of the issue.
The translucent bars are the cases in England against a given day.
The darker bars are the hospitalisations in England seven days later.
As we can see, as cases climbed, hospitalisations climbed much slower. And the levelling out in the most recent week comes off the highest level of cases yet.
E.g. bar for 19 June -> hospitalizations for 26 June?
Revised graph attached:
My reading would be still fair bit of growth to come in the purple hospitalizations.0 -
7 day average hasn't hit November/Dec numbers yet.RobD said:
I was looking at the upward slope, but before the wave in December/January.Alistair said:
More importantly Rob is taking the down slope.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, there's a lag between cases and deaths. Nevertheless, it is *extremely* encouraging that hospital bed usage (in England at least) is growing dramatically slower than case numbers.RobD said:
The last time the UK was at 15k cases a day deaths were at about 450 a day. What are they now?Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?
For the comparable case numbers in September deaths 7 day average was 47.0 -
That's your inference, is it?Cookie said:
What are you suggesting we do? My inference is that you're suggesting we lock down forever.Chris said:I wonder what planet anyone talking about UEFA officials is on.
Cases up 44% week-on-week, and deaths up 53%. So much for the link having been broken.
How many bloody times do we have to keep going through the same cycle before people learn better?
Have we really reached the point where people shouldn't say anything, in case anyone draws a moronic inference?0
