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Steve Baker MP is right about the exemption for quarantine exemptions UEFA officials – politicalbett
Steve Baker MP is right about the exemption for quarantine exemptions UEFA officials – politicalbetting.com
Steve Baker – People are entitled to be furious about this exemption for UEFA officials… we can't have any elite being allowed to be exempted from rules that are crippling others… people are entitled to be furious at this breach of the rule of law. pic.twitter.com/Xte4ld3rkg
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But can anyone explain why we gave up the Champions League final by not agreeing to similar demands from UEFA but have agreed to these demands for the Euros?
We'd have a much better chance of getting out of these restrictions if the government acted even handedly to everyone rather than protecting favoured groups like football fans, and screwing minorities that don't matter like venue owners or engaged couples.
But we've all moved on.
There are many reasons why for me that would be far from normal, being trapped in the country forbidden to leave or enter. But I can see that for many people as long as they could go to the pub or shops or have people over everything would seem fine.
For certain PB-ers, where no one is allowed to arrive or leave especially on holiday I imagine it would be like living in some kind of wet dream.
Not for me tho'.
The Champions League wasn't such a problem as we never officially had the final, it should have been in Istanbul and was moved to Lisbon when we turned it down. The Euros final is a different matter as it was always supposed to be here.
But for this lot it's fine. Fuck that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000x2tf/horizon-2021-1-horizon-special-the-vaccine
Any elite includes G7 leaders.
Maybe its only social media but the G7 carryon seems to have caused real anger from people fed up with the petty rules they are living by.
Sadly, I expect little will change in mid July.
One of the reasons Portugal offered themselves this year and last year was the fact they want to be UEFA's preferred bidder alongside Spain for the 2030 world cup ahead of England.
No serious person would prefer our situation, and had I know what was ahead of us in March 2020 I would have quit my job and taken my family to NZ.
It’s like night and day.
The question in this case is whether we as a Country are willing to lose this event or are we prepared to make an exemption, (though I understand all the officials will have to have had covid tests) in this case
I do however agree that everyone, and certainly those vaccinated, should be allowed travel freedom without further delay
If those with power are not inconvenienced as the rest of us are then they will have less incentive to grow some balls and get us out of this mess. This is what lies behind Baker's comments.
If the powers that be accept that there is minimal risk in the officials not having to quarantine because they will have tested negative (presumably before entry to country and shortly after arrival) and may also be vaccinated then please extend this common sense approach to all of us you fuckers.
This can't be right can it?
"If it is fake then that surely is evidence that videos of UAPs can be faked. With hindsight, perhaps the "RC" logo should have been a clue.
New thread btw."
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Aww, bless. You actually thought the dancing planes were real?
And you flex at others for being credulous about UFOS?! You believed in DANCING PLANES
But we all make insane and childish mistakes, and you have the honesty to blush, so we let it pass
Then only 45k, at the same venue, for the RL Challenge Cup six days later? Precious few from overseas.
Rugby union, now that's popular and proper rugby.
It is the reason why the RFU have their own home whilst the rugby league teams wander about like travellers.
If the UEFA officials attend, the conditions should include compulsory attendance at England's next match. It may be the only way to cure their love of football.
If that trade-off does not exist then there's no need to have the quarantine restrictions at all - though our experience with Delta Covid suggests otherwise.
First pointing out the bonkersness of some of the govt's lockdown policy and now this.
Mr Francois? Your time approaches...
Will they not all be banned from travelling to the UK anyway?
Obviously we won't but imagine the furore if England were in the semi's and the government backtracked meaning UEFA shift the final to Budapdest which we subsequently lose.
Having said that if Uefa move the final once England are knocked out I couldn't give a monkeys.
There was some thought that this phenomenon was due to 'British exceptionalism' or some such, but it turns out that every country is the same.
Holidaying abroad is all well and good, but seems to be a long way down the hierarchy of needs. NZ is boring, they say. Here is just as boring when pretty much any indoor leisure activity is either illegal or made so unpleasant by mask and social distancing requirements that any enjoyment is dead on arrival. Sure, we can enjoy the outdoors, but so can the New Zealanders, and their outdoors is rather less crowded. And much of the UK's finest countryside is off limits - we can't even go to Scotland or Wales because they're run by an insane pixie and a gloomy rock troll respectively.
America may be a lab for vaccination in the same way as it was a lab for lockdown.
The reason is this heatmap:
Groups that are susceptible to hospitalisation aren't getting infected very much at all because the vaccine are highly effective at preventing symptomatic infection.
At the same point in the previous wave for the Beta variant the same heatmap looked like this:
Which led to rolling average of 450 hospitalisations per day vs about 185 at the moment.
Additionally, we don't know what the proportion of hospitalisations is coming from vaccine refusers. It's the elephant in the room that no politician wants to discuss because the answer is that people who have said no to taking the vaccine are going to have a very high risk of hospitalisation and death post-unlockdown. There's no way around that and we can't stay locked down forever to protect vaccine refusers.
https://twitter.com/GideonSkinner/status/1407654748027817985?s=20
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/five-years-brexit-and-forces-underlying-it-continues-shape-public-opinion
One rule for elite. One rule for the plebs. Boris is going to throw away all that goodwill he has very quickly if he keeps on like this.
There will be an official clapping of the National Deepfake Hands by Overlord GPT-1000 when the clock strikes -3
America is about to prove that you can get away with unlockdowning despite massive vaccine hesitancy and the Delta DoublePlusBad Bug. Or, it is about to prove that this is monumental folly
On 24/10/2020 There were 214 deaths, 1,257 admissions, 9,262 in hospital
On 01/12/2020 there were 399 deaths, 1,490 admissions, 16,311 in hospital
This time, the numbers are 19 deaths, 211 admissions, 1,508 in hospital.
That is the difference that mass vaccination makes
I assume that it will be for a similar reason - everyone making an exception at the same time for a special event to gather and enjoy themselves. In this case the football tournament instead of Christmas.
The difference now is that most people will have protection from the vaccines, but this will infect enough people that it will see some unlucky sods get seriously ill regardless, and the unvaccinated too.
I reckon everyone could get infected and the health system would manage thanks to the vaccines, but I wonder whether the politicians will be able to stay calm in the face of these increases.
Note: Need to recalibrate the range for colours.. 500 was the max...
I agree with Baker on almost all of what he's said since last November at least on this, plus I think it was atrocious to not lift lockdown on Monday, but I disagree here.
Three principles.
- We ought to be removing restrictions not adding them (I'm assuming Baker agrees with this)
- The government have been doing 'trials' preceding the removal of restrictions. No reason this can't be such a trial, that then sees it rolled out to the rest of the public.
- Quantitatively doing something different with 2,500 people who are then tested and followed up is a different level of risk than doing something different with 67 million.
I have no problems with special arrangements for the final of the tournament on condition that those special arrangements are a trial that are then extended to everybody a few weeks later.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57580118
Whatever the explanation, if this rise continues I cannot see how Sturgeon abandons all restrictions in early August, just as the schools go back
Scotland could be in for a long slog.
Shut the door in Hadrian's Wall!, Boris!
Seasonal agricultural workers get exemptions, anyone working in IT and telecoms gets exemptions if their boss says the work is important, people who regularly work abroad (presumably quite high risk) get exemptions, along with dozens of other jobs.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules#regular-work-abroad
On the flip side, the ratio of hospitalisations and number of people in hospital continues to reduce.
If even 4% of cases ended up hospitalised, we'd be past 300 admissions per day in England alone by now, while the rolling 7-day average actually tweaked down to 183 today.
The number hospitalised would be north of 2,000 in England now; today, it dropped very slightly to 1,255.
I don't mean to downplay the potential problems that could arise still with rapid growth. After all, even a 25-year-old man with no medical issues still has a 1%-2% chance of hospitalisation if unvaccinated - but every day there are fewer unvaccinated 25-year olds, and the same goes for all remaining 18-29 adults.
It's possible we're seeing what happens when an ever-increasing chunk of the younger population have 1 dose, which doesn't reduce symptomatic infection by a huge amount - but does reduce the risk of hospitalisation by a hefty 80% or so. And we know that even breakthrough infections are considerably less serious in the vaccinated than they would have been if left unvaccinated.
Hopefully the ratio between hospitalisations and cases will continue to drop still further, and we'll end up with cases numbers becoming less and less relevant.
Lumme
Everyone unvaxxed in Scotland is going to catch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK1GChMOnrQ
It would be interesting to know that but one suspects a slight nervousness around that as it will, if the targeting of the "get vaccinated" campaigns are any guide, indicate a degree of race-based differentiation.
The King of the North should do it.
Cases up alot.
Of most interest is that the admissions for England have plateaued or started falling across the entire age range.
- Universities on the full exponential growth phase (but should be short sharp spike and many start breaking up soon)
- A large portion of shire districts in a rectangle with London, Bristol, Southampton and Sheffield on each edge going through their Delta growth phases, but most will probably top out below 150 case rate in the next 2-3 weeks.
- A 5-10% extra driver in that the previous week we are comparing against is starting to be after the mini heatwave earlier in June.
Thrown back in her face...
However, we should know the proportion of new hospitalisations which are not vaccinated (for whatever reason), only had one jab, etc. This information exists somewhere surely?
If there's 2 million more people settled here than we previously thought, then that just goes to show again how deep the housing shortage is in this country and we need even more houses than we thought not fewer.
If the population had been overestimated then we'd need fewer houses not more.
Infection - Positive test takes about 7 days
Infection - Hospitalisation takes about 14 days?
We thought tests had plateaued about a week ago...