With just eight campaigning days to go – Tories still strong favourites to take Batley & Spen – poli
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I once tried to fake an aquatic red light distract, with floating brothels and waterborne hookers, in the little Vietnamese resort of Nha Trang0
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My version of the report doesn't mention critical race theory at all in the body of the report. I can't think of a serious educationalist in the UK who doesn't think that socio-economic class trumps race as the main determinant of educational outcomes in the UK.Sandpit said:
What the report is saying, is that class rather than race is the better determinant of educational outcomes (as you’d know, from experience), and that modern US-imported Crititcal Race Theory is only throwing fuel on that fire.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?1 -
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal2 -
Interesting that Saddam Hussein somehow fails to make that list.Andy_JS said:How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.
"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."
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It's good, but it's no "My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the TRUE emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next."Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal
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One would've thought the Tories would be very disappointed if their vote share didn't actually increase relative to the last GE. 15% of the vote went to BXP and the Heavy Woollens last time out, and neither are standing candidates this time. Presumably not all of that is going to go Labour, Galloway or to one of the innumerable fringe far right and/or Leave parties?rcs1000 said:
I think the Conservative vote is very solid in B&S, and for Galloway to win, he'd need to dominate the non-Con vote. And I just don't see that right now.Andy_JS said:I think if the Tories don't win Batley it's more likely to be Galloway than Labour.
I think the most likely scenario is that Galloway takes enough from Labour to hand the seat to the Conservatives, albeit with the Conservative vote share barely changing from 2019.0 -
I've just checked and there are 16 candidates standing, in B and S, probably not a record but does seem like a lot.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have some friends in Batley & Spen who are Labour activists and they are worried that the candidate who has labelled himself as the Alliance for Green Socialism will damage Labour.dixiedean said:
No Green standing.Barnesian said:
I've been laying GG heavily at 40s.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Galloway has just been laid from 34 to 50 in the last couple of minutes. Still only 25 to back in a thin market.Sandpit said:
Yes. I’m laying Labour in this one. GG has done it before, making certain ‘communities’ angry and turning out, in an otherwise low turnout by-election.Cookie said:
I expected Labour to win this from the start, and thought they were excellent value at 3.5. George Galloway's lot have complicated things however. I still think Labour are the value bet, but what I expect to happen is a Con gain with a lot of the Muslim vote pealing off to Galloway.TheScreamingEagles said:I spent a small portion of my C&A winnings on Labour to hold Batley & Spen.
Not exactly confident.
I can see him damaging Labour big time but I don't think he has a hope in hell of actually winning, even with a low turn out. The Tories will hold around 40%, many LDs and Greens will vote tactically for Labour. Where does GG get his majority from?
I can see Tory 40, Lab 40+10 (LD and Green) - say 20 to GG. So Lab 30 and GG 20.
What scenario gives GG a majority? I cannot see it.
I think the spectacular 2012 Bradford West by-election with a 36% swing is colouring views. But GG is not the fresh exciting breath of fresh air that he was. He's well past his sell by date.0 -
I would guess it was also due to immigration from African countries. The fact is that the kids of recent immigrants almost always outperform at school, for the simple reason that their families are a self-selected group of highly-motivated people. So if the cohort of children called "black" includes a higher proportion of immigrants or children of immigrants then their grades will increase on average.Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, when Brown was PM, Michael Gove was lambasted when he pointed out that the apparent increase in attainment among black children was due to an increase in the number of black children attending private schools and getting the grades to match.Nemtynakht said:
I don't think it is the recent concept and discussion but the 'lived experience' of people in those areas. For example in the push to get a more diverse entry of students to oxbridge, white working class boys got lumped in with those at Eton and ignored.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
Years ago I lived in Bradford and I would have been much more confident that someone who was gifted in the Muslim community would have a better chance of social mobility than someone from the large sink estate of white people
BWC kids were in fact doing slightly worse than before, IIRC
Luckily these kids don't face the same environment that many West Indian immigrants faced in the 50s and 60s, where their kids were routinely sent to "special" schools where they received virtually no education. Largely because in the meantime we have passed race equality legislation that would make that kind of discrimination illegal.6 -
Trembling with indignation at any injustice anywhere - but was friends with Castro, Chavez etcAndy_JS said:How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.
"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."
https://www.georgegalloway.com
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Yes, they are talking absolute shite.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
I got cancelled today here at PB shortly after I posted to say that I thought scope for stories (such as the current one featuring the Education Select Committee report) suggesting that resources should be directed to oh so long-neglected white children indicated that the Tories would win in Batley and Spen and that they may well increase their majority at the next GE. Someone responded to say I was talking rubbish and that I had a "comfy" worldview. He then got loads of "likes". Talk about the "silent majority".
But yes, @TSE . Much of this is dogwhistle code for the "whip hand" idea, to use the phrase with which it was expressed in the 1968 speech with which many who say things like "they started the culture war - we'll finish it" and "never mind woke - what about whites?" are doubtless extremely familiar.
Frankly, why don't they just admit it? Hypocrisy is said to be the ransom that vice pays to virtue.1 -
"Man of the world". Oh dear.Andy_JS said:How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.
"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."
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The troop train in Siberia threw me off. At 11pm. About 200 km East of Yekaterinberg, in the middle of the taiga, despite the protestations of the sailors of the Russian Pacific Fleet, who wanted to continue drinking vodka and eating pickles with me. I was coming off heroin at the time0
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Yes, my daughters are all in classes of 30 or 31.dixiedean said:
Standard at my children's school. Have taught 37. But that was many years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry, I should have said, approaching the mid 20s on average, which means class sizes of 30 might not be uncommon?dixiedean said:
Approaching the mid 20s. Hmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did they mention anything about class sizes?Northern_Al said:
The latter. Big time.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
I've read the SC report - absolutely no evidence on the 'white privilege' thing, and as you say white w/c poor/FSM children have had the poorest educational outcomes of all social groups (except those in care) ever since meaningful data started being collected about 30 years ago.
As someone who was educated in class sizes of around 10-14 pupils I maintain that is one of the major reasons public schools have such good outcomes.
Even if you're the best teacher in the world you won't be able to help pupils when class sizes are approaching the mid 20s.0 -
We agree on your main point. The critical race theory, is the concept of “white privilege” which is mentioned in the report. They’re telling WWC kids that they are the “oppressors” who need to atone for the sins of their ancestors.Northern_Al said:
My version of the report doesn't mention critical race theory at all in the body of the report. I can't think of a serious educationalist in the UK who doesn't think that socio-economic class trumps race as the main determinant of educational outcomes in the UK.Sandpit said:
What the report is saying, is that class rather than race is the better determinant of educational outcomes (as you’d know, from experience), and that modern US-imported Crititcal Race Theory is only throwing fuel on that fire.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
We desparately need to find a way to improve the educational outcomes, of those kids whose parents don’t care. Aside from picking out the occasional autistic or gifted kid in “care” and sending them to board at public school (which has been done a few times), I’m as lost as anyone else on this subject.0 -
Humour...
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It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.Leon said:
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal0 -
You make a good point: I guess, I see the Tories at about 40-44%, and as the winners unless the Labour Party manages to hold onto the vast bulk of the anti-Tory vote.Black_Rook said:
One would've thought the Tories would be very disappointed if their vote share didn't actually increase relative to the last GE. 15% of the vote went to BXP and the Heavy Woollens last time out, and neither are standing candidates this time. Presumably not all of that is going to go Labour, Galloway or to one of the innumerable fringe far right and/or Leave parties?rcs1000 said:
I think the Conservative vote is very solid in B&S, and for Galloway to win, he'd need to dominate the non-Con vote. And I just don't see that right now.Andy_JS said:I think if the Tories don't win Batley it's more likely to be Galloway than Labour.
I think the most likely scenario is that Galloway takes enough from Labour to hand the seat to the Conservatives, albeit with the Conservative vote share barely changing from 2019.0 -
That is SO interesting and entertaining. Quirky yet in no way "look at me". Thank you.Leon said:I once tried to fake an aquatic red light distract, with floating brothels and waterborne hookers, in the little Vietnamese resort of Nha Trang
Grealish starting. Not sure about that.0 -
I managed to secure one via a friend before Christmas.Sandpit said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Heh.Sandpit said:
My wife bought me a Porsche for Christmas. And was disappointed that I’d finished it by the end of Boxing Day!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope.Sandpit said:
I’m not the only one looking in my study at a Saturn V, a Porsche 911 RSR, and an International Space Station then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Disney store in Meadowhall is always rammed.Sandpit said:
Probably doesn’t make too much of a difference at the Trafford Centre. Biscester Village, on the other hand...Philip_Thompson said:
I've never noticed many Chinese or Arab tourists in the Disney Store whenever I've been there. A lot of families with kids, and a lot of push chairs. But not many tourists.Nunu3 said:
No Chinese or Arab tourists.Philip_Thompson said:Incidentally when we went to the Disneystore last week absolutely everything we looked at had a discount price sticker on it. 30% to 70% off everything.
Figured that was just because the store had been closed for so long that they had lots of stock to clear, but perhaps its an unofficial closing down sale?
But the parents with kids are probably shopping online much more at the minute.
There's going to be a lot of gutted kids, so long as the Lego store remains open then I'll be happy, oops, the kids will be hapy.
Have to say building epic Lego sets kept me sane during lockdown.
My kids lost interest in Lego around the time I bought them a Playstation, which was back in 2016.
Curiously the family spend on Lego has gone up since 2016.
Can you get a PS5 retail in the U.K. yet? Still no sign of them out here, except for a few scalpers
But only the scalpers seem to have PS5s these days.1 -
My kids have ~28 in the class, but there's a full time teaching assistant per class too, so its 14 kids per adult.
It works. We picked the school without knowing much about it, just checked the Ofsted reports, never had any regrets they work hard with the kids and have been brilliant through lockdown.0 -
As the FA really going to make Mount and Chilwell self isolate for 10 days. Absolutely barmy. They could be tested multiple times a day for 5 days and then you can then be certain they don't have it.0
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Have you ever been expelled from a country because your activities were incompatible with your diplomatic status?rcs1000 said:
It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.Leon said:
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal0 -
The chip shortage is totally screwing them. They’re out millions of sales of consoles and games, when we’re all working from home.TheScreamingEagles said:
I managed to secure one via a friend before Christmas.Sandpit said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Heh.Sandpit said:
My wife bought me a Porsche for Christmas. And was disappointed that I’d finished it by the end of Boxing Day!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope.Sandpit said:
I’m not the only one looking in my study at a Saturn V, a Porsche 911 RSR, and an International Space Station then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Disney store in Meadowhall is always rammed.Sandpit said:
Probably doesn’t make too much of a difference at the Trafford Centre. Biscester Village, on the other hand...Philip_Thompson said:
I've never noticed many Chinese or Arab tourists in the Disney Store whenever I've been there. A lot of families with kids, and a lot of push chairs. But not many tourists.Nunu3 said:
No Chinese or Arab tourists.Philip_Thompson said:Incidentally when we went to the Disneystore last week absolutely everything we looked at had a discount price sticker on it. 30% to 70% off everything.
Figured that was just because the store had been closed for so long that they had lots of stock to clear, but perhaps its an unofficial closing down sale?
But the parents with kids are probably shopping online much more at the minute.
There's going to be a lot of gutted kids, so long as the Lego store remains open then I'll be happy, oops, the kids will be hapy.
Have to say building epic Lego sets kept me sane during lockdown.
My kids lost interest in Lego around the time I bought them a Playstation, which was back in 2016.
Curiously the family spend on Lego has gone up since 2016.
Can you get a PS5 retail in the U.K. yet? Still no sign of them out here, except for a few scalpers
But only the scalpers seem to have PS5s these days.0 -
Yes, the Scottish National Party.NerysHughes said:
Has a party ever been on 44% after11 years in Government after four elections?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Con 44 (+3) Lab 30 (-4) LD 10 (+2) Grn 5 (-1) SNP 4 (-1) Other 6 (-1)Black_Rook said:ComRes: Con 44, Lab 30, LD 10
18th - 20th June
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The next gen console launches have been a disaster both from no hardware, but also bugger all next gen games to play on them.Sandpit said:
The chip shortage is totally screwing them. They’re out millions of sales of consoles and games, when we’re all working from home.TheScreamingEagles said:
I managed to secure one via a friend before Christmas.Sandpit said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Heh.Sandpit said:
My wife bought me a Porsche for Christmas. And was disappointed that I’d finished it by the end of Boxing Day!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope.Sandpit said:
I’m not the only one looking in my study at a Saturn V, a Porsche 911 RSR, and an International Space Station then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Disney store in Meadowhall is always rammed.Sandpit said:
Probably doesn’t make too much of a difference at the Trafford Centre. Biscester Village, on the other hand...Philip_Thompson said:
I've never noticed many Chinese or Arab tourists in the Disney Store whenever I've been there. A lot of families with kids, and a lot of push chairs. But not many tourists.Nunu3 said:
No Chinese or Arab tourists.Philip_Thompson said:Incidentally when we went to the Disneystore last week absolutely everything we looked at had a discount price sticker on it. 30% to 70% off everything.
Figured that was just because the store had been closed for so long that they had lots of stock to clear, but perhaps its an unofficial closing down sale?
But the parents with kids are probably shopping online much more at the minute.
There's going to be a lot of gutted kids, so long as the Lego store remains open then I'll be happy, oops, the kids will be hapy.
Have to say building epic Lego sets kept me sane during lockdown.
My kids lost interest in Lego around the time I bought them a Playstation, which was back in 2016.
Curiously the family spend on Lego has gone up since 2016.
Can you get a PS5 retail in the U.K. yet? Still no sign of them out here, except for a few scalpers
But only the scalpers seem to have PS5s these days.1 -
Just seen the best argument yet for having a strict lockdown after 19 July: The Hundred starts 21 July2
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Even after been extremely careful for over a year and excited to really get out and about in 2 weeks time.....i won't be going to the hundred....Philip_Thompson said:Just seen the best argument yet for having a strict lockdown after 19 July: The Hundred starts 21 July
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Yes, we don't disagree on the main point.Sandpit said:
We agree on your main point. The critical race theory, is the concept of “white privilege” which is mentioned in the report. They’re telling WWC kids that they are the “oppressors” who need to atone for the sins of their ancestors.Northern_Al said:
My version of the report doesn't mention critical race theory at all in the body of the report. I can't think of a serious educationalist in the UK who doesn't think that socio-economic class trumps race as the main determinant of educational outcomes in the UK.Sandpit said:
What the report is saying, is that class rather than race is the better determinant of educational outcomes (as you’d know, from experience), and that modern US-imported Crititcal Race Theory is only throwing fuel on that fire.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
We desparately need to find a way to improve the educational outcomes, of those kids whose parents don’t care. Aside from picking out the occasional autistic or gifted kid in “care” and sending them to board at public school (which has been done a few times), I’m as lost as anyone else on this subject.
In answer to your question, and others on here, the answer lies in schools. There's not a lot you can do about parents who are uneducated themselves and couldn't care less about the education of their kids. But there is a magic formula - brilliantly-led schools where brilliant teachers imbue all kids with aspiration and motivation, regardless of their social/economic/racial background, and regardless of parental attitude. There are quite a lot of such schools around, where the exam results are astonishingly good despite, not because of, the intake; more than people think. Things are, actually, getting better with the current generation of teachers. That's not really reflected in the SC report.
And it's in that context that I think the "white privilege" stuff is just a red herring, throwing some red meat to the culture warriors. Excuse fish and meat metaphors.1 -
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My choice of refreshment to complement the footy:
Haworth Steam Brewing Co. Hurricane IPA.
Who says that the English are obsessed with the War?
A tasty ale, btw.0 -
We’ve discussed those weird (but fortunately rare) delusional side effects before.rcs1000 said:
Couldn't agree more. We're definitely smarter and more attractive.FrancisUrquhart said:
Only the best and the brightest, the crème de la crème get Moderna..... that's what they told me this afternoon anyway.rcs1000 said:
Mix and match is the future.FrancisUrquhart said:German Chancellor Angela Merkel has received a dose of Moderna as her second shot of coronavirus vaccine having had Oxford-AstraZeneca as her first, a government spokesman said.
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The UK is immersed in a class-culture war – and Labour is incapable of winning it.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/06/uk-immersed-class-culture-war-and-labour-incapable-winning-it
Worth a quick read IMHO.2 -
Ally McCoist will be getting disowned by The People.
To the strains of Lust for Life:
‘Choose your anthem,
Choose Hampden,
Choose Scotland’
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Oh no, The Hundred days of lockdown?Philip_Thompson said:Just seen the best argument yet for having a strict lockdown after 19 July: The Hundred starts 21 July
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Okay, decided I can’t be arsed to stay up until 1am, to watch a team that know they’ve qualified already, when the alarm goes off at 06:30. Laters PB.1
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The People = Sevco fans?Theuniondivvie said:Ally McCoist will be getting disowned by The People.
To the strains of Lust for Life:
‘Choose your anthem,
Choose Hampden,
Choose Scotland’0 -
What I find interesting about the whole discussion of White Privilege is that the Right has a narrative that the Left use it to attack working class white people. But speaking personally as someone who moves in fairly Woke circles at times, I have never seen it used in that way. Never.Sandpit said:
We agree on your main point. The critical race theory, is the concept of “white privilege” which is mentioned in the report. They’re telling WWC kids that they are the “oppressors” who need to atone for the sins of their ancestors.Northern_Al said:
My version of the report doesn't mention critical race theory at all in the body of the report. I can't think of a serious educationalist in the UK who doesn't think that socio-economic class trumps race as the main determinant of educational outcomes in the UK.Sandpit said:
What the report is saying, is that class rather than race is the better determinant of educational outcomes (as you’d know, from experience), and that modern US-imported Crititcal Race Theory is only throwing fuel on that fire.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
We desparately need to find a way to improve the educational outcomes, of those kids whose parents don’t care. Aside from picking out the occasional autistic or gifted kid in “care” and sending them to board at public school (which has been done a few times), I’m as lost as anyone else on this subject.
I've seen it used to describe situations like the following: being able to engage with the police and assume that the police will believe them and not assume they are a criminal; being able to get into a few scrapes as a kid and get away without a criminal record; knowing that the press won't always try to dig up dirt on you if you ever make it as a footballer or something; knowing that the Home Office won't try to arbitrarily deport you; not constantly wondering whether you are being judged on the basis of your skin colour whenever you are slighted in some way; being able to express opinions on social media without receiving torrents of abuse.
The idea that it's been dreamt up to minimise the problems that come with class discrimination and economic inequality is just plain wrong. So then you have to wonder why the Right is making out that it is. It's really not hard to figure out.4 -
Watch the Scotland match, that has something riding on it.Sandpit said:Okay, decided I can’t be arsed to stay up until 1am, to watch a team that know they’ve qualified already, when the alarm goes off at 06:30. Laters PB.
If Scotland qualify for the knockout stages then every Scot will be saying 'I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!'1 -
An approaching salt storm, in the deserts of the Afar, in the Danakil DepressionTheScreamingEagles said:
Have you ever been expelled from a country because your activities were incompatible with your diplomatic status?rcs1000 said:
It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.Leon said:
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal
The next day we drove to the savage volcano
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Aye.TheScreamingEagles said:
The People = Sevco fans?Theuniondivvie said:Ally McCoist will be getting disowned by The People.
To the strains of Lust for Life:
‘Choose your anthem,
Choose Hampden,
Choose Scotland’
We are the People is the battle cry.0 -
All Galloway's friends are mysteriously dead. Be warned.kinabalu said:
"Man of the world". Oh dear.Andy_JS said:How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.
"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."
https://www.georgegalloway.com3 -
I am ready, man! Ready to get it on!0
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Thanks.Theuniondivvie said:
Aye.TheScreamingEagles said:
The People = Sevco fans?Theuniondivvie said:Ally McCoist will be getting disowned by The People.
To the strains of Lust for Life:
‘Choose your anthem,
Choose Hampden,
Choose Scotland’
We are the People is the battle cry.0 -
Ha ha ha ha. The ref at Hampden took the knee before quickly realising that wasn't the virtue signal of choice tonight.0
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I would argue that there would be some irritation if that approach were taken - I.e. one rule for footballers, one rule for the rest of us.FrancisUrquhart said:As the FA really going to make Mount and Chilwell self isolate for 10 days. Absolutely barmy. They could be tested multiple times a day for 5 days and then you can then be certain they don't have it.
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How many they can infect with Covid you meanTheScreamingEagles said:
Watch the Scotland match, that has something riding on it.Sandpit said:Okay, decided I can’t be arsed to stay up until 1am, to watch a team that know they’ve qualified already, when the alarm goes off at 06:30. Laters PB.
If Scotland qualify for the knockout stages then every Scot will be saying 'I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!'
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No, the “white privilege” stuff is real, and starting to be taught in schools in the UK - but with a US context of race that’s totally inappropriate for a British audience.Northern_Al said:
Yes, we don't disagree on the main point.Sandpit said:
We agree on your main point. The critical race theory, is the concept of “white privilege” which is mentioned in the report. They’re telling WWC kids that they are the “oppressors” who need to atone for the sins of their ancestors.Northern_Al said:
My version of the report doesn't mention critical race theory at all in the body of the report. I can't think of a serious educationalist in the UK who doesn't think that socio-economic class trumps race as the main determinant of educational outcomes in the UK.Sandpit said:
What the report is saying, is that class rather than race is the better determinant of educational outcomes (as you’d know, from experience), and that modern US-imported Crititcal Race Theory is only throwing fuel on that fire.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
We desparately need to find a way to improve the educational outcomes, of those kids whose parents don’t care. Aside from picking out the occasional autistic or gifted kid in “care” and sending them to board at public school (which has been done a few times), I’m as lost as anyone else on this subject.
In answer to your question, and others on here, the answer lies in schools. There's not a lot you can do about parents who are uneducated themselves and couldn't care less about the education of their kids. But there is a magic formula - brilliantly-led schools where brilliant teachers imbue all kids with aspiration and motivation, regardless of their social/economic/racial background, and regardless of parental attitude. There are quite a lot of such schools around, where the exam results are astonishingly good despite, not because of, the intake; more than people think. Things are, actually, getting better with the current generation of teachers. That's not really reflected in the SC report.
And it's in that context that I think the "white privilege" stuff is just a red herring, throwing some red meat to the culture warriors. Excuse fish and meat metaphors.2 -
I think there is more about Scotland not. PHE have said they have a carve out for elite sport. And remember the rule when travelling from abroad (not red zone) you could cut your isolation with a test after 5 days. So it already is not standardized.Cookie said:
I would argue that there would be some irritation if that approach were taken - I.e. one rule for footballers, one rule for the rest of us.FrancisUrquhart said:As the FA really going to make Mount and Chilwell self isolate for 10 days. Absolutely barmy. They could be tested multiple times a day for 5 days and then you can then be certain they don't have it.
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No, but I am persona non grata in Uganda after facilitating Idi Amin’s flight from that country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you ever been expelled from a country because your activities were incompatible with your diplomatic status?rcs1000 said:
It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.Leon said:
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal0 -
Your lust for life, is more than mine. I choose life, and choose sleep.TheScreamingEagles said:
Watch the Scotland match, that has something riding on it.Sandpit said:Okay, decided I can’t be arsed to stay up until 1am, to watch a team that know they’ve qualified already, when the alarm goes off at 06:30. Laters PB.
If Scotland qualify for the knockout stages then every Scot will be saying 'I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!'0 -
Time for some Ugandan discussions to get your persona non grata revoked.Sean_F said:
No, but I am persona non grata in Uganda after facilitating Idi Amin’s flight from that country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you ever been expelled from a country because your activities were incompatible with your diplomatic status?rcs1000 said:
It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.Leon said:
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal0 -
Absolutely adore that film (and T2).Sandpit said:
Your lust for life, is more than mine. I choose life, and choose sleep.TheScreamingEagles said:
Watch the Scotland match, that has something riding on it.Sandpit said:Okay, decided I can’t be arsed to stay up until 1am, to watch a team that know they’ve qualified already, when the alarm goes off at 06:30. Laters PB.
If Scotland qualify for the knockout stages then every Scot will be saying 'I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!'
That film made such an impression on me, it put me off trying drugs for life.
The soundtrack was fabulous.1 -
I also helped to orchestrate the overthrow of Ceaucescu in 1989.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time for some Ugandan discussions to get your persona non grata revoked.Sean_F said:
No, but I am persona non grata in Uganda after facilitating Idi Amin’s flight from that country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you ever been expelled from a country because your activities were incompatible with your diplomatic status?rcs1000 said:
It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.Leon said:
Several timesrcs1000 said:
But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.Leon said:
Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twicedixiedean said:
"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."FrancisUrquhart said:
I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players wereTheScreamingEagles said:O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.
England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.
An absolute disgrace.
It is inexplicable and frankly absurd
Not for me, Clive.
I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal1 -
Oh FFS!FrancisUrquhart said:BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW
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The saltstorm gets closer
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Oblivion
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We're going to need a bigger alphabetglw said:
Oh FFS!FrancisUrquhart said:BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW
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Are these photos from the planet your aliens are from? What am I looking at?Leon said:Oblivion
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Ever seen the Tom Cruise film of the same name? It's a good solid sci-fi film raised to something higher than that by dint of an absolutely top notch muscial score.Leon said:Oblivion
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OT ITV stream of the England game might as well be done by GB News.0
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So what is the delta in additional infectiousness between the Delta plus the Delta Plus?FrancisUrquhart said:BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW
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Hasn't returned George's calls lately.Fishing said:
Interesting that Saddam Hussein somehow fails to make that list.Andy_JS said:How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.
"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."
https://www.georgegalloway.com
Left him hanging you could say.0 -
You're looking at some photos I took of the ancient salt caravans of the Afar, in northern Ethiopia, in the Danakil Depression. They've been handcvarving salt blocks - in intense heat - and shipping them by donkey and camel, for thousands of years. And stlll they do itGallowgate said:
Are these photos from the planet your aliens are from? What am I looking at?Leon said:Oblivion
The scenery is especially dramatic because a salt-storm has kicked up: like a sand storm, but literally made of salt
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/130525-salt-ethiopia-mining-extreme-volcano-heat-transportation0 -
STERLING!0
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Get inn0
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England!!!0
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You should all be watching Scotland v. Croatia.0
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A Sterling goal!0
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Yes, I'd missed the Delta poll (taken over virtually the same period as ComRes, with an unusually large sample). There's an interesting subsample of 2019 Con holds, Con gains and non-Con holds. For the "Con gain" section, the Dlta result is a 42-42 tie with Labour - which is a larger swing than the overall poll. By contrast, the 2019 Con holds now have a 54-26 Tory lead, suggesting that they're piling up support where they already hold it. The poll also shows a LibDem bounce in the south to 14%, but not elsewhere, and it does look from both poll as if the C+A sensation hasn't produced a major national impact.stodge said:Evening all
UK Polls all over the place currently - for every ComRes, there's a Delta Poll showing the Conservatives ahead 41-35 with the LDs on 10 so perhaps we need some time for the latest events to settle, percolate or not.
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https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint220621
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And can it be modelled using a Dirac Delta function?Philip_Thompson said:
So what is the delta in additional infectiousness between the Delta plus the Delta Plus?FrancisUrquhart said:BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW
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Croatia have the best kit in football.0
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Get in! GO CROATIA0
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Bollocks.
Croatia lead.0 -
Croatia!!!0
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What kind of team let Sterling win a header?0
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Lijepa naša domovino,
Oj, junačka zemljo mila,
Stare slave djedovino,
Da bi vazda sretna bila!
Our beautiful homeland,
Oh so fearless and gracious,
Our fathers' ancient glory,
May you be blessed forever!!!0 -
Arsenal:Alistair said:What kind of team let Sterling win a header?
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I think we could play this entire tournament again and not score two goals, so...bah.0
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Bit Brexity that anthem likeLeon said:Lijepa naša domovino,
Oj, junačka zemljo mila,
Stare slave djedovino,
Da bi vazda sretna bila!
Our beautiful homeland,
Oh so fearless and gracious,
Our fathers' ancient glory,
May you be blessed forever!!!0 -
You want to see the BBC squirm, don't you?TheScreamingEagles said:Bollocks.
Croatia lead.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
I think there is more about Scotland not. PHE have said they have a carve out for elite sport. And remember the rule when travelling from abroad (not red zone) you could cut your isolation with a test after 5 days. So it already is not standardized.Cookie said:
I would argue that there would be some irritation if that approach were taken - I.e. one rule for footballers, one rule for the rest of us.FrancisUrquhart said:As the FA really going to make Mount and Chilwell self isolate for 10 days. Absolutely barmy. They could be tested multiple times a day for 5 days and then you can then be certain they don't have it.
To be honest, I'm not sufficiently invested in either England or Scotland to be that bothered. But I am annoyed that my daughter is having to self-isolate for a contact more fleeting than that of Mason Mount with the Scottish fella.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think there is more about Scotland not. PHE have said they have a carve out for elite sport. And remember the rule when travelling from abroad (not red zone) you could cut your isolation with a test after 5 days. So it already is not standardized.Cookie said:
I would argue that there would be some irritation if that approach were taken - I.e. one rule for footballers, one rule for the rest of us.FrancisUrquhart said:As the FA really going to make Mount and Chilwell self isolate for 10 days. Absolutely barmy. They could be tested multiple times a day for 5 days and then you can then be certain they don't have it.
If they don't have to, why should she and the rest of the class? There will be thousands of people up and down the country in a si.ilar situation, missing whatever they had planned for some arbitrary rule. If we see footballers now not having to, it will make us ... a bit cross.0 -
They Yexited some decades ago.Gallowgate said:
Bit Brexity that anthem likeLeon said:Lijepa naša domovino,
Oj, junačka zemljo mila,
Stare slave djedovino,
Da bi vazda sretna bila!
Our beautiful homeland,
Oh so fearless and gracious,
Our fathers' ancient glory,
May you be blessed forever!!!0 -
But there already is. The entire Scotland team must necessarily have spent time, without masks, in a relatively confined indoor space (i.e. dressing room) with Gilmour.Cookie said:
I would argue that there would be some irritation if that approach were taken - I.e. one rule for footballers, one rule for the rest of us.FrancisUrquhart said:As the FA really going to make Mount and Chilwell self isolate for 10 days. Absolutely barmy. They could be tested multiple times a day for 5 days and then you can then be certain they don't have it.
Now, isn't the point of all this booking into pubs and restaurants that it doesn't matter if you're all sat at separate tables, socially distanced, behind screens, taking silly masks on and off whenever you have to move anywhere, and all the rest of it: if someone in the venue subsequently tests positive for Covid, then the track and trace people are straight on to everyone who was in the same place at the same time, telling them to stay at home and self-isolate?
If the same rules apply to footballers as Joe Public then there's a very good case that the whole Scotland team (who would most definitely not have been sat in polite little socially distanced groups in their facilities, at separate tables of no more than six people, and wearing masks the whole time they were out of their seats, all for perfectly obvious reasons) should be under quarantine at this moment. But it was not politically expedient for Public Health England to be seen forcing the Scotland football team out of the European Championships, so they were excused. And none of this is done to single out Scotland, who are only benefitting from the leniency that has been given them by others: I would expect similar excuses to be made if individuals on any other team in this tournament tested positive for Covid.
Therefore, having already ripped the bulk of the rule book up, what difference is it going to make to burn the rest of it in respect of the two England players? We know that all the footballers are being given special treatment; why pretend otherwise?1 -
I can’t think of any other films that I can pretty much recite word for word.TheScreamingEagles said:
Absolutely adore that film (and T2).Sandpit said:
Your lust for life, is more than mine. I choose life, and choose sleep.TheScreamingEagles said:
Watch the Scotland match, that has something riding on it.Sandpit said:Okay, decided I can’t be arsed to stay up until 1am, to watch a team that know they’ve qualified already, when the alarm goes off at 06:30. Laters PB.
If Scotland qualify for the knockout stages then every Scot will be saying 'I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!'
That film made such an impression on me, it put me off trying drugs for life.
The soundtrack was fabulous.
Maybe it was just that summer of 1996, when I was 18 and starting to live life, but still one of the all time favourite movies.
“Lager, lager, lager...”
“Begbie didn’t do drugs, Begbie did people...”
“Choose pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrasment to the selfish, fcuked-up brats you’ve spawned to replace yourselves...”
“We called him the Mother Superior, on account of the length of his habit...”
“A thousand years from now, there will be no guys and girls, just wankers...”
“It’s shite being Scottish...”
“The worst toilet in Scotland...”
“It’s easy to be philosophical, when some other c*** has shite for blood...”0 -
Is it just me that finds the whole notion of third place finishers qualifying for the last 16 rather ridiculous?
Why not just have 8 additional countries qualify for the tournament and can they have 8 groups rather than 6?3 -
Croatia are not a great side.
C'mon Scotland, you can do this. FFS
Your perennial uselessness is amusing, but you are still British!0 -
That’s not what they said - you are picking up on misleading reporting.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
They said “WWC kids underperformed” AND “schools should consider whether ‘whites privilege’ is compatible with their obligations under the Equalities Act”
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Maybe.tlg86 said:
You want to see the BBC squirm, don't you?TheScreamingEagles said:Bollocks.
Croatia lead.
It'll be hysterical if all three home nations qualify and the BBC have the first two picks.
You know for sporting reasons England & Wales will be the first two picks and the Scots will march on the BBC despite the fact ITV will cover it.0 -
That would be the Croatia that reached the last world cup final?Leon said:Croatia are not a great side.
C'mon Scotland, you can do this. FFS
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Better from Scotland0
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Ffs0
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We just need to use some additional alphabets. Russian and Hebrew buy us another 55 letters, which should see us out to October at least...solarflare said:
We're going to need a bigger alphabetglw said:
Oh FFS!FrancisUrquhart said:BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW
Also: poor Scotland.0 -
Craig Burley is still going to be answer to the question "who was the last player to score for Scotland at a major finals", isn't he?1
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Not a patch on what they were then: now down to 14 in the Fifa rankings, behind SwitzerlandTheScreamingEagles said:
That would be the Croatia that reached the last world cup final?Leon said:Croatia are not a great side.
C'mon Scotland, you can do this. FFS
Your perennial uselessness is amusing, but you are still British!
Besides, Scotland are fired up and at Hampden, I think they could do this, Croatia look like a side that can be rattled0 -
Alasdair Lamont, BBC Sport Scotland at Wembley
I can tell you that Croatia goal was greeted with plenty of cheers and a chorus of "Scotland's Going Home" at Wembley. And it was flashed up on my monitor before I saw it happen on screen, which was even more annoying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/50941191?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=60d2381d0b3dca32bbbfd5e2&England revel in Scots' misfortune&2021-06-22T19:23:35.903Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:6b958f77-f17d-468f-8161-5f652baaef67&pinned_post_asset_id=60d2381d0b3dca32bbbfd5e2&pinned_post_type=share0 -
My Dad left school at 17 and worked his way around the world doing odd jobs…TheScreamingEagles said:
Owen Jones always talks shite.Malmesbury said:
The phrase "white privilege" is newish.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?
Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?
The attitude of aggressive disparagement towards the working class is not. As is the recognition that this disparagement is not applied to the same behaviours when evinced by members of protected minority groups.
I suggest you try this book by a noted right wing, reactionary extremist (Owen Jones) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=9781781683989
If you look at the stats you can tell roughly where most people will end up in an educational outcome by their class and the occupation of their parents, which is why you see so many black and other non white children at the bottom of the education league tables.
My life outcome was largely determined by the fact my father was a doctor from Dore, if my father had been a bus driver from Darnall I know my life outcomes would be so much different for the worse.1
