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I agree, it's been a funny year poll wise, things will not settle down until after Conferences. My view, FWIW, is that Labour will poll around 34% at the GE, possibly enough to get most seats, but not enough for overall.0
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Thanks Tyke - good spot. I hadn't seen that.Tykejohnno said:I don't think this got mentioned on PB today
Labour plan to part re-nationalise rail network
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28349630
Seems a decent package. I'm not sure why Labour need to 'create' a public body that can run railways - the Coalition already have one. It's called Directly Operated Railways and is already running the East Coast franchise very well. There is no point creating another one.
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I've said before that I hope the markets impose financial discipline if Labour can't or won't. That said, it won't all be desolation and a plague of frogs o'er the land when they are, inevitably, elected.
Keen schadenfreudists will particularly enjoy watching Harriet's head explode as Ed and his merry persons have to implement swingeing spending cuts.0 -
Indeed. A result like that would be disastrous for Labour and the country.Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Ed Milliband is already hated across the land, but he may claw his way into Downing St because people who came to expect a certain standard of living in the fake boom years and Labour's vast client state all expect the money tree to start flowing again.
Imagine the bitterness and recrimination Labour will be facing when things carry on pretty much as they have been in terms of juicy "give-aways" but with the added attraction of a government with no majority and a leader that seems utterly clueless (nonsense like rent controls and energy caps, etc...) in terms of what he wants to do.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest. The country may go through a spell of being pretty much ungovernable...
Will be great fun for political obsessives like us tho. #everycloudhasasilverlining
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The only saving grace when Labour gets in is that after five years of Ed socialism will be dead for a generation.Tykejohnno said:
I haven't,just sarcastic me ;-) but a labour government,I would be proberly be better off,god help the middle classes though ;-)compouter2 said:
I knew you would come around to our way of thinking. Your man in Corby is doing well so I hear.Tykejohnno said:0 -
I look forward to the no doubt totally convincing arguments that Labour cuts are good, whereas Tory cuts are bad. It's not necessarily impossible for it to be true, but given you can only cut so much before you have to take it from the biggest areas of expenditure where those opposing austerity want there to be no cuts at all, I don't think they have the miracle workers to make it happen, but they will still need to claim they are.John_M said:I've said before that I hope the markets impose financial discipline if Labour can't or won't. That said, it won't all be desolation and a plague of frogs o'er the land when they are, inevitably, elected.
Keen schadenfreudists will particularly enjoy watching Harriet's head explode as Ed and his merry persons have to implement swingeing spending cuts.
I will also look forward to Labour blaming the previous government for the bad things they will have to do, after criticizing the Tories for using the same tactic, while the Tories suddenly develop the same amnesia that everyone uses that excuse - true or not - that Labour has developed in the past 4 years by criticizing its use.
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Should be fun on PB when all the labour supporters come on here to defend them after all the crap this government as taken ;-)John_M said:I've said before that I hope the markets impose financial discipline if Labour can't or won't. That said, it won't all be desolation and a plague of frogs o'er the land when they are, inevitably, elected.
Keen schadenfreudists will particularly enjoy watching Harriet's head explode as Ed and his merry persons have to implement swingeing spending cuts.
Can't wait. ;-)
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I'm enjoying these "when Labour gets in" posts.0
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Swansea relegation 11/2 humongousTheScreamingEagles said:My other major football bet for next season (Look away now St John)
I've heavily backed Aston Villa to go down
They were shite last year (except for the first 35 mins at Anfield)
They have an owner that is wanting to sell up and not put in any money, they have an uninspiring manager, and a poor squad with only one decent player who has suffered a serious injury and won't be fit until October at the earliest.
This sounds like a recipe for disaster.0 -
is duelling still allowed under the ECHR?compouter2 said:
Ohhhh a PB romance.enfant said:Let's meet,you can show me in person.
I can be anywhere you suggest
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Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
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Tin hats at the ready. Maybe we can make them out of all the broken election prediction systems that will be scattered to the winds if "Labour gets in".Tykejohnno said:
Should be fun on PB when all the labour supporters come on here to defend them after all the crap this government as taken ;-)John_M said:I've said before that I hope the markets impose financial discipline if Labour can't or won't. That said, it won't all be desolation and a plague of frogs o'er the land when they are, inevitably, elected.
Keen schadenfreudists will particularly enjoy watching Harriet's head explode as Ed and his merry persons have to implement swingeing spending cuts.
Can't wait. ;-)0 -
Probably...kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
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PB Trolling sticks at the ready?dugarbandier said:
is duelling still allowed under the ECHR?compouter2 said:
Ohhhh a PB romance.enfant said:Let's meet,you can show me in person.
I can be anywhere you suggest
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Ok, the curse of my tips is back (this chap is very well connected to Liverpool)
Liverpool are in the market for another striker and are keen on Queens Park Rangers' Loic Remy, who has a £8million release clause in his contract.
The France international, who scored 14 goals on loan at Newcastle United last season, has emerged as a serious target after the Reds opted not to follow up their initial interest in Swansea City frontman Wilfried Bony.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-vows-74498820 -
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ? Cam's babes costing him votes or was the public reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% lead
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)0 -
I don't even want Labour to get in, but I do enjoy those occasions where people console themselves that even if Labour get in, well, at least 2020 will be a locked in Tory win (as Labour ruin things/Tories transform into UKIP). Still a rarity to see it though.compouter2 said:I'm enjoying these "when Labour gets in" posts.
Supposedly Mervyn King commented that whoever won in 2010 would lose the next election due to the cuts that would be needed, so I imagine there were many in Labour in the 'good one to lose' camp, but it turns out they may actually have been right in this case.0 -
Ed's ratings are at minus 33, Clegg's at minus 42, Dave's at minus 19 and Farage is at minus 7kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.0 -
Agree that's a good price. The only ones below them in the betting that I think will stay up are Hull and QPR, would like to see Burnley stay up as I really like Sean Dyche.isam said:
Swansea relegation 11/2 humongousTheScreamingEagles said:My other major football bet for next season (Look away now St John)
I've heavily backed Aston Villa to go down
They were shite last year (except for the first 35 mins at Anfield)
They have an owner that is wanting to sell up and not put in any money, they have an uninspiring manager, and a poor squad with only one decent player who has suffered a serious injury and won't be fit until October at the earliest.
This sounds like a recipe for disaster.0 -
My experience tonight of our nation's fair capital was somewhat less romantic than that of @SeanTGIN1138 said:
"We'll always have Paris"SeanT said:Beautiful, beautiful night in London. Hot, dulcet, evocative, steamy, timeless, everyone fornicating in the parks like life is about to end. Like Paris in 1940, only much, much nobler.
I was in B&Q.
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More strikers? Have they actually bought any defenders or a new goalkeeper yet, that's where the biggest area of concern was, even with the need to replace Suarez.TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, the curse of my tips is back (this chap is very well connected to Liverpool)
Liverpool are in the market for another striker and are keen on Queens Park Rangers' Loic Remy, who has a £8million release clause in his contract.
The France international, who scored 14 goals on loan at Newcastle United last season, has emerged as a serious target after the Reds opted not to follow up their initial interest in Swansea City frontman Wilfried Bony.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-vows-7449882
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That looks a very tasty bet. Thanks for the tip @Isamisam said:
Swansea relegation 11/2 humongousTheScreamingEagles said:My other major football bet for next season (Look away now St John)
I've heavily backed Aston Villa to go down
They were shite last year (except for the first 35 mins at Anfield)
They have an owner that is wanting to sell up and not put in any money, they have an uninspiring manager, and a poor squad with only one decent player who has suffered a serious injury and won't be fit until October at the earliest.
This sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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You have a point there,the news coverage of camerons reshuffle just became a p!ss take on the news channels.surbiton said:
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ! Cam's babes costing him votes or is it the public was reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% lead
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
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@Tykejohnno
' "Simply accepting the status quo is not an option for Labour. But nor is a throw-back to the days of British Rail.''
Labour want to nationalize the railways but not like British Rail.
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From what I've read and heard, we're trying to sign Lovren from Southampton, is just the fee that needs agreeing and the left back from Swansea, whose name escapes me.kle4 said:
More strikers? Have they actually bought any defenders or a new goalkeeper yet, that's where the biggest area of concern was, even with the need to replace Suarez.TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, the curse of my tips is back (this chap is very well connected to Liverpool)
Liverpool are in the market for another striker and are keen on Queens Park Rangers' Loic Remy, who has a £8million release clause in his contract.
The France international, who scored 14 goals on loan at Newcastle United last season, has emerged as a serious target after the Reds opted not to follow up their initial interest in Swansea City frontman Wilfried Bony.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-vows-74498820 -
Sounds like another vote winner to me. People don't like the railway system at present. Promise to change it, and even if it makes little sense plenty of people will consider it cannot get worse and it will add to their reasons to vote Labour. Even if they are wrong and it does make it worse, by then it is too late, Labour are in power, and they'll assume they can figure out a solution.john_zims said:@Tykejohnno
' "Simply accepting the status quo is not an option for Labour. But nor is a throw-back to the days of British Rail.''
Labour want to nationalize the railways but not like British Rail.
Either completely naive or just clowns.
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Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 3m
POLL: Looking forward to new opinion poll out tomorrow - #Yes at highest level yet in a TNS #indyref survey. #voteYes @tnsbmrb0 -
I can see the Labour side of your prediction being right, but I can't see a Tory/UKIP coalition because I don't believe UKIP will ever get more than one or two seats and that's being generous (I could easily see them having a big, fate 0 in 2015)SeanT said:My as-yet-unsettled position is that Ed Miliband will be PM in 2015, probably with a very small majority but possibly in Coalition. And the only relevant bets I have are to that effect.
I also believe he will be catastrophically inept, like Hollande, and will be turfed out ASAP, resulting in a surprisingly hardcore rightwing Tory/UKIP Coalition, which might then lead us out of the EU.
This is not, btw, necessarily an outcome I desire. Just feel it in me waters. The world is swinging right, as ruthless capitalism rampages and destroys all inferior systems.
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As yet unsettled? So right now it's a settled position, but you're expecting something to upset it?SeanT said:My as-yet-unsettled position is that Ed Miliband will be PM in 2015, probably with a very small majority but possibly in Coalition. And the only relevant bets I have are to that effect.
I also believe he will be catastrophically inept, like Hollande, and will be turfed out ASAP, resulting in a surprisingly hardcore rightwing Tory/UKIP Coalition, which might then lead us out of the EU.
This is not, btw, necessarily an outcome I desire. Just feel it in me waters. The world is swinging right, as ruthless capitalism rampages and destroys all inferior systems.0 -
Ben Davies, also interested in Ryan Bertrand from Chelsea. Liverpool need a whole new back four as the incumbents, with the possible exception of Skrtel, have no idea how to defend.TheScreamingEagles said:
From what I've read and heard, we're trying to sign Lovren from Southampton, is just the fee that needs agreeing and the left back from Swansea, whose name escapes me.kle4 said:
More strikers? Have they actually bought any defenders or a new goalkeeper yet, that's where the biggest area of concern was, even with the need to replace Suarez.TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, the curse of my tips is back (this chap is very well connected to Liverpool)
Liverpool are in the market for another striker and are keen on Queens Park Rangers' Loic Remy, who has a £8million release clause in his contract.
The France international, who scored 14 goals on loan at Newcastle United last season, has emerged as a serious target after the Reds opted not to follow up their initial interest in Swansea City frontman Wilfried Bony.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-vows-74498820 -
If you saw my earlier post, you would see that is my opinion FWIW that Swansea will stay up. As. Cardiff supporter I had just one year to experience the Prem first hand, and there are some pretty awful teams in there, and Swansea, who do not have to sell Bony, or anyone rose are good enough to stay up. Last year they were distracted by the Europa league and they will not have that this coming season.BobaFett said:
That looks a very tasty bet. Thanks for the tip @Isamisam said:
Swansea relegation 11/2 humongousTheScreamingEagles said:My other major football bet for next season (Look away now St John)
I've heavily backed Aston Villa to go down
They were shite last year (except for the first 35 mins at Anfield)
They have an owner that is wanting to sell up and not put in any money, they have an uninspiring manager, and a poor squad with only one decent player who has suffered a serious injury and won't be fit until October at the earliest.
This sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Well well well
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m
Whitehall source points to intercepted evidence suggesting Russian separatists to blame. Expects 'co-ordinated international response' #MH170 -
Did you read the story?john_zims said:@Tykejohnno
' "Simply accepting the status quo is not an option for Labour. But nor is a throw-back to the days of British Rail.''
Labour want to nationalize the railways but not like British Rail.
Either completely naive or just clowns.
They are simply allowing public bodies to run franchises, a situation that already exists and works well on the East Coast Line, and throughout London. We also have state-run franchisees - from France and Germany.
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Even Skrtel only worked when he stopped rugby tackling people. How we avoided giving away numerous penalties all season I do not know (he did get a bit better as the year went on). At least he scored goals as well.nigel4england said:
Ben Davies, also interested in Ryan Bertrand from Chelsea. Liverpool need a whole new back four as the incumbents, with the possible exception of Skrtel, have no idea how to defend.TheScreamingEagles said:
From what I've read and heard, we're trying to sign Lovren from Southampton, is just the fee that needs agreeing and the left back from Swansea, whose name escapes me.kle4 said:
More strikers? Have they actually bought any defenders or a new goalkeeper yet, that's where the biggest area of concern was, even with the need to replace Suarez.TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, the curse of my tips is back (this chap is very well connected to Liverpool)
Liverpool are in the market for another striker and are keen on Queens Park Rangers' Loic Remy, who has a £8million release clause in his contract.
The France international, who scored 14 goals on loan at Newcastle United last season, has emerged as a serious target after the Reds opted not to follow up their initial interest in Swansea City frontman Wilfried Bony.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-vows-74498820 -
I am jealous I saw TSE at the cinema on Tuesday and he didnt offer to show me his snide once.enfant said:Let's meet,you can show me in person.
I can be anywhere you suggest
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By my reckoning, the highest ever TNS score for yes was 39% in 2011 (when they had Yes ahead)
Recent polling has had at them in the early 30s/high 20s so this could be a sensational poll.0 -
I honestly thought sacking Gove was a masterstroke, and said so on here.Tykejohnno said:
You have a point there,the news coverage of camerons reshuffle just became a p!ss take on the news channels.surbiton said:
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ! Cam's babes costing him votes or is it the public was reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% lead
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
Not the first time my predictions about Tory politics have been wildly wrong.
I lost my shirt backing them for a majority in 2010.
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Maybe Ed is not so Crap after all ! He chooses his fights carefully.kle4 said:
Sounds like another vote winner to me. People don't like the railway system at present. Promise to change it, and even if it makes little sense plenty of people will consider it cannot get worse and it will add to their reasons to vote Labour. Even if they are wrong and it does make it worse, by then it is too late, Labour are in power, and they'll assume they can figure out a solution.john_zims said:@Tykejohnno
' "Simply accepting the status quo is not an option for Labour. But nor is a throw-back to the days of British Rail.''
Labour want to nationalize the railways but not like British Rail.
Either completely naive or just clowns.0 -
A future PB meet should be held at Cineworld Sheffield/bigjohnowls said:
I am jealous I saw TSE at the cinema on Tuesday and he didnt offer to show me his snide once.enfant said:Let's meet,you can show me in person.
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Is "Snide" some kind of secret name for something else? One can only imagine how big TSE "Snide" really is.bigjohnowls said:
I am jealous I saw TSE at the cinema on Tuesday and he didnt offer to show me his snide once.enfant said:Let's meet,you can show me in person.
I can be anywhere you suggest0 -
True preferably in 3D0
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It's a race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ed's ratings are at minus 33, Clegg's at minus 42, Dave's at minus 19 and Farage is at minus 7kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
They are all crap.
Except for Nige whom I told polls even more 'weird' than Ed!0 -
You shouldn't be in dreary B&Q on a wonderful night like this.BobaFett said:
My experience tonight of our nation's fair capital was somewhat less romantic than that of @SeanTGIN1138 said:
"We'll always have Paris"SeanT said:Beautiful, beautiful night in London. Hot, dulcet, evocative, steamy, timeless, everyone fornicating in the parks like life is about to end. Like Paris in 1940, only much, much nobler.
I was in B&Q.
Large G&T's in the garden, taking in the steamy summer air or frolicking in parks like it's the final days of the Roman Empire is what you should be doing.0 -
Nah, he is crap. It's the second law of PB.surbiton said:
Maybe Ed is not so Crap after all ! He chooses his fights carefully.kle4 said:
Sounds like another vote winner to me. People don't like the railway system at present. Promise to change it, and even if it makes little sense plenty of people will consider it cannot get worse and it will add to their reasons to vote Labour. Even if they are wrong and it does make it worse, by then it is too late, Labour are in power, and they'll assume they can figure out a solution.john_zims said:@Tykejohnno
' "Simply accepting the status quo is not an option for Labour. But nor is a throw-back to the days of British Rail.''
Labour want to nationalize the railways but not like British Rail.
Either completely naive or just clowns.0 -
Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.0
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The one man invasion was a classic.Socrates said:Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.
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He was a danger in both penalty areas! Also don't think the keeper is top,level, 5th or 6th for Liverpool next season in my book.kle4 said:
Even Skrtel only worked when he stopped rugby tackling people. How we avoided giving away numerous penalties all season I do not know (he did get a bit better as the year went on). At least he scored goals as well.nigel4england said:
Ben Davies, also interested in Ryan Bertrand from Chelsea. Liverpool need a whole new back four as the incumbents, with the possible exception of Skrtel, have no idea how to defend.TheScreamingEagles said:
From what I've read and heard, we're trying to sign Lovren from Southampton, is just the fee that needs agreeing and the left back from Swansea, whose name escapes me.kle4 said:
More strikers? Have they actually bought any defenders or a new goalkeeper yet, that's where the biggest area of concern was, even with the need to replace Suarez.TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, the curse of my tips is back (this chap is very well connected to Liverpool)
Liverpool are in the market for another striker and are keen on Queens Park Rangers' Loic Remy, who has a £8million release clause in his contract.
The France international, who scored 14 goals on loan at Newcastle United last season, has emerged as a serious target after the Reds opted not to follow up their initial interest in Swansea City frontman Wilfried Bony.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-brendan-rodgers-vows-74498820 -
He's generally uninspiring, but he also seems very cautious most of the time to avoid pitfalls, with the occasional big announcement that might well be nonsense in terms of implementation for all I know, but seem pretty popular with the public, and fix the idea of Labour with popular moves. It seems an effective approach - avoiding missteps and allowing his opponents to destroy themselves,not going for the big win, but for the small win which is more achievable. I only wish I'd had the guts to put money on a Labour win years ago, as I thought the odds were in their favour even when the Tories held a lead.surbiton said:
Maybe Ed is not so Crap after all ! He chooses his fights carefully.kle4 said:
Sounds like another vote winner to me. People don't like the railway system at present. Promise to change it, and even if it makes little sense plenty of people will consider it cannot get worse and it will add to their reasons to vote Labour. Even if they are wrong and it does make it worse, by then it is too late, Labour are in power, and they'll assume they can figure out a solution.john_zims said:@Tykejohnno
' "Simply accepting the status quo is not an option for Labour. But nor is a throw-back to the days of British Rail.''
Labour want to nationalize the railways but not like British Rail.
Either completely naive or just clowns.
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You are a converted Europhile and have moved strongly to the left in recent times Sean, as your posts demonstrate. Why do you think the world is moving in the opposite direction to you? Is it a simple case of your having too many hot nights with hot London lefties?SeanT said:My as-yet-unsettled position is that Ed Miliband will be PM in 2015, probably with a very small majority but possibly in Coalition. And the only relevant bets I have are to that effect.
I also believe he will be catastrophically inept, like Hollande, and will be turfed out ASAP, resulting in a surprisingly hardcore rightwing Tory/UKIP Coalition, which might then lead us out of the EU.
This is not, btw, necessarily an outcome I desire. Just feel it in me waters. The world is swinging right, as ruthless capitalism rampages and destroys all inferior systems.
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I am going to Hoylake tomorrow could we arrange a PB meeting in the bunker. Apparently the Greens are up to 180
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The Don't Knows are also No's.SeanT said:
Potentially worrying, but of course it ignores where NO is. If NO is also increased, then we are status quo ante, and the Nats are headed for a whopping defeat.TheScreamingEagles said:Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 3m
POLL: Looking forward to new opinion poll out tomorrow - #Yes at highest level yet in a TNS #indyref survey. #voteYes @tnsbmrb
We shall see.
Personally, my indyref nerves have subsided. I reckon Scots will vote fairly heavily for NO by about 57:430 -
154 Dutch nationals on plane rather than the 20 reported earlier.0
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As Sir Bob Worcestor said, prior to election time, to get the a more accurate picture you shouldn't compare the leaders with each other, but with their predecessors in the role in the equivalent point in the electoral cycle.BobaFett said:
It's a race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ed's ratings are at minus 33, Clegg's at minus 42, Dave's at minus 19 and Farage is at minus 7kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
They are all crap.
Except for Nige whom I told polls even more 'weird' than Ed!
So Dave is about average compared to past PMs, and Ed well, only Michael Foot is worse as LOTO
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As they're reporting, it was one man on a plane, because a whole load had been coming on buses before January 1 under the transitional arrangements.compouter2 said:
The one man invasion was a classic.Socrates said:Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.
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The Dutch aren't going to sit around and do nothing - too many voices at home clamouring for action. Expect Western aircraft above Ukraine pretty smartish, and ones prepared to shoot.AndyJS said:154 Dutch nationals on plane rather than the 20 reported earlier.
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I'm forecasting Tories most seats remember.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Sir Bob Worcestor said, prior to election time, to get the a more accurate picture you shouldn't compare the leaders with each other, but with their predecessors in the role in the equivalent point in the electoral cycle.BobaFett said:
It's a race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ed's ratings are at minus 33, Clegg's at minus 42, Dave's at minus 19 and Farage is at minus 7kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
They are all crap.
Except for Nige whom I told polls even more 'weird' than Ed!
So Dave is about average compared to past PMs, and Ed well, only Michael Foot is worse as LOTO
That said I forecast a Tory majority last time and lost my shirt so I wouldn't take any comfort in that.
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Enjoy it. Should be a great day's golf in the sunshine and with plenty of big names in the frame. I fancy Woods to score well tomorrow. He recovered very well today.bigjohnowls said:I am going to Hoylake tomorrow could we arrange a PB meeting in the bunker. Apparently the Greens are up to 18
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Perhaps we're actually going to see what would have happened had Michael Foot became PM?TheScreamingEagles said:BobaFett said:
It's a race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ed's ratings are at minus 33, Clegg's at minus 42, Dave's at minus 19 and Farage is at minus 7kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
They are all crap.
Except for Nige whom I told polls even more 'weird' than Ed!
So Dave is about average compared to past PMs, and Ed well, only Michael Foot is worse as LOTO
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I know, but the fact there was what, thirty press at the airport and one person trundled through, only to be targeted by The Mail only days later was quite funny, no? Apparently he beat his girlfriend up in Romania, attacked nuns and gave out duff tips on PB.Socrates said:
As they're reporting, it was one man on a plane, because a whole load had been coming on buses before January 1 other the transitional arrangements.compouter2 said:
The one man invasion was a classic.Socrates said:Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.
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Deny them their right to self determination, shell and drop bombs on civilian areas? No wait our chums in Kiev already do that.TheScreamingEagles said:Well well well
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m
Whitehall source points to intercepted evidence suggesting Russian separatists to blame. Expects 'co-ordinated international response' #MH17
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Don't confuse him, Compouter is always right.Socrates said:
As they're reporting, it was one man on a plane, because a whole load had been coming on buses before January 1 under the transitional arrangements.compouter2 said:
The one man invasion was a classic.Socrates said:Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.
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I was only in there for half an hour. Two G&Ts down, now on the red wine ;-)GIN1138 said:
You shouldn't be in dreary B&Q on a wonderful night like this.BobaFett said:
My experience tonight of our nation's fair capital was somewhat less romantic than that of @SeanTGIN1138 said:
"We'll always have Paris"SeanT said:Beautiful, beautiful night in London. Hot, dulcet, evocative, steamy, timeless, everyone fornicating in the parks like life is about to end. Like Paris in 1940, only much, much nobler.
I was in B&Q.
Large G&T's in the garden, taking in the steamy summer air or frolicking in parks like it's the final days of the Roman Empire is what you should be doing.0 -
If they want self-determination then they can go about it through democratic channels. But they haven't because they're Ukrainian and don't want to leave Ukraine.FalseFlag said:
Deny them their right to self determination, shell and drop bombs on civilian areas? No wait our chums in Kiev already do that.TheScreamingEagles said:Well well well
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m
Whitehall source points to intercepted evidence suggesting Russian separatists to blame. Expects 'co-ordinated international response' #MH17
Some lives are more precious than others.0 -
**** Blows Nigel a kiss ****nigel4england said:
Don't confuse him, Compouter is always right.Socrates said:
As they're reporting, it was one man on a plane, because a whole load had been coming on buses before January 1 under the transitional arrangements.compouter2 said:
The one man invasion was a classic.Socrates said:Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.
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Reshuffles usually go wrong, because the media only like negative stories. Can you imagine an interview with a new minister: "I'm so happy and excited to have this opportunity"? Much sexier to talk to grouchy Friends of Ex-Minister about the terrible blunder in removing him.Tykejohnno said:
You have a point there,the news coverage of camerons reshuffle just became a p!ss take on the news channels.surbiton said:
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ! Cam's babes costing him votes or is it the public was reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% lead
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
It's a subset of a more general problem in how politics is covered in Britain.
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Should be interesting. As Foot was before my time, the horror stories about him have little impact, so it'll be good to get a contemporary Foot for my generation to lament about in years to come.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps we're actually going to see what would have happened had Michael Foot became PM?TheScreamingEagles said:BobaFett said:
It's a race to the bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ed's ratings are at minus 33, Clegg's at minus 42, Dave's at minus 19 and Farage is at minus 7kle4 said:
Aren't his satisfaction ratings already at Cleggian levels?GIN1138 said:Quincel said:
2015-20 could indeed be very messy, particularly if there is a hung parliament despite the dramatically reduced LD contingent. Say the Big 2 reverse their seat positions (so Lab 305, Con 255) but unlike 2010 there are only 30 LDs*. Instead of a coalition with a fairly healthy majority, we'd be left with either a minority administration or very fragile coalition government.GIN1138 said:When will Labour start hitting the panic button that they may actually have to govern for five years with a leader that's despised before he's even done anything and without any money to doll out to Unions and their client voters?
What a Parliament the 2015 to 2020 one could be!
Could be much more difficult than 2010-15 turned out to be, despite initial concerns. And I don't think those seat totals are particularly implausible.
*OK, so because of the fewer LDs let's say it's 315/280 for the Big 2. The overall scenario still stands.
Could easily see Ed Milliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
They are all crap.
Except for Nige whom I told polls even more 'weird' than Ed!
So Dave is about average compared to past PMs, and Ed well, only Michael Foot is worse as LOTO0 -
I think you'll find it's a lesson best learnt in a simulator rather than in real life.kle4 said:Should be interesting. As Foot was before my time, the horror stories about him have little impact, so it'll be good to get a contemporary Foot for my generation to lament about in years to come.
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LD HOLD Hookstone on Harrogate with increased vote share
LD 886
CON -51
UKIP 206
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I think you'll find that's the fault of the politicians.NickPalmer said:
Reshuffles usually go wrong, because the media only like negative stories. Can you imagine an interview with a new minister: "I'm so happy and excited to have this opportunity"? Much sexier to talk to grouchy Friends of Ex-Minister about the terrible blunder in removing him.Tykejohnno said:
You have a point there,the news coverage of camerons reshuffle just became a p!ss take on the news channels.surbiton said:
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ! Cam's babes costing him votes or is it the public was reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% leade
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
It's a subset of a more general problem in how politics is covered in Britain.0 -
Both you and Tykejonno are right. The media do the easy thing and just want an easy hook to hang their story on. The media also have a vested interest in running a govt down since they want a weak govt not able to make them obey the law.NickPalmer said:
Reshuffles usually go wrong, because the media only like negative stories. Can you imagine an interview with a new minister: "I'm so happy and excited to have this opportunity"? Much sexier to talk to grouchy Friends of Ex-Minister about the terrible blunder in removing him.Tykejohnno said:
You have a point there,the news coverage of camerons reshuffle just became a p!ss take on the news channels.surbiton said:
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ! Cam's babes costing him votes or is it the public was reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% lead
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
It's a subset of a more general problem in how politics is covered in Britain.0 -
Lab seven point lead -- very quiet on here.
Tory two point lead -- this place goes mad with corks going off and much back slapping.
Says it all about this place - has been and always will be a Tory hangout (including the numerous Tory trolls).0 -
You're probably right, but as much as Blair in particular may live in infamy for certain things, the younger generations cannot live in fear of a new Thatcher or Foot forever, they need their own great and/or terrible to rally against/for or like me, the prospect of a Foot but in power will not stir appropriate dread.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think you'll find it's a lesson best learnt in a simulator rather than in real life.kle4 said:Should be interesting. As Foot was before my time, the horror stories about him have little impact, so it'll be good to get a contemporary Foot for my generation to lament about in years to come.
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I think it was Nick Palmer who was earlier talking about the Libs going so low they became the first party to get negative votes.MikeSmithson said:LD HOLD Hookstone on Harrogate with increased vote share
LD 886
CON -51
UKIP 206
LAB 71
Who would have expected the Tories to beat them to the punch?
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Now now, we are getting "when Labour get in" posts tonight. Hang around a few months for the lightbulb/rats in a sack moment. Cannot be far off now.murali_s said:Lab seven point lead -- very quiet on here.
Tory two point lead -- this place goes mad with corks going off and much back slapping.
Says it all about this place - has been and always will be a Tory hangout (including the numerous Tory trolls).0 -
The front page of this Scottish papers shows Lab supporters are moving from no/DK to yes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsx1KjWIQAEkZ0h.jpg0 -
Seems to me plenty of people are going on about the Lab lead and its implications.murali_s said:Lab seven point lead -- very quiet on here.
Tory two point lead -- this place goes mad with corks going off and much back slapping.
Says it all about this place - has been and always will be a Tory hangout (including the numerous Tory trolls).
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Tell that to Andy Coulson.Flightpath said:
Both you and Tykejonno are right. The media do the easy thing and just want an easy hook to hang their story on. The media also have a vested interest in running a govt down since they want a weak govt not able to make them obey the law.NickPalmer said:
Reshuffles usually go wrong, because the media only like negative stories. Can you imagine an interview with a new minister: "I'm so happy and excited to have this opportunity"? Much sexier to talk to grouchy Friends of Ex-Minister about the terrible blunder in removing him.Tykejohnno said:
You have a point there,the news coverage of camerons reshuffle just became a p!ss take on the news channels.surbiton said:
Aren't the British people watching PMQ's every Wednesday when I am told EiC is getting drubbed ! Cam's babes costing him votes or is it the public was reminded yet again that toxic Gove is a Tory !!MikeSmithson said:The final YouGov/Sun poll of the week has LAB with 7% lead
LAB - 39% (+3)
CON - 32% (-1)
LD- 8 (-1)
UKIP - 13% (=)
It's a subset of a more general problem in how politics is covered in Britain.0 -
Result from Cowley in Oxford:
Lab 512
Green 269
Independent 257
Con 152
UKIP 72
LD 39
Labour hold.0 -
The problem with creating a public nationalised company to bid for rail franchises is that it costs a lot of money to put in a bid. It could be spending public money and not getting any work.BobaFett said:
Thanks Tyke - good spot. I hadn't seen that.Tykejohnno said:I don't think this got mentioned on PB today
Labour plan to part re-nationalise rail network
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28349630
Seems a decent package. I'm not sure why Labour need to 'create' a public body that can run railways - the Coalition already have one. It's called Directly Operated Railways and is already running the East Coast franchise very well. There is no point creating another one.
Of course I suppose a nationalised company will just pluck a figure off the back of an envelope (a bit like labour with their policies) since it cannot go bust like a public one and the taxpayer will cover the losses. What could possibly go wrong?
From what I read the 'success' of the east Coast Line is overstated.
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PfP, that Labour Lead in YouGov has been like the polling equivalent of a Mexican wave in recent weeks.
peter_from_putney said:
Very disappointing for Dave & Co. on the back of the reshuffle, but probably too late to impact on Prof. Stephen Fisher's weekly GE seats projection tomorrow.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics 20s
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps to seven points: CON 32%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%0 -
I have yet to see a Big Issue seller in Eastbourne who isn't from Romania. The hotel cleaners also appear to be largely Romanian. It's very noticeable. It's common to hear a multitude of foreign languages spoken just walking down the street even in the off-season. How things change in a decade.Socrates said:
As they're reporting, it was one man on a plane, because a whole load had been coming on buses before January 1 under the transitional arrangements.compouter2 said:
The one man invasion was a classic.Socrates said:Wow, BBC documentary on Romanian immigration has a guy that has recruited 4000 Romanians to drive taxis in the UK in just four years.
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@Flightpath
The railway can't go bust anyway, hence the fundamental problem with rail privatisation, and why we have East Coast run by the state anyway! When the private sector cocks up, the state picks up the pieces.0 -
Very like the 2014 result for Labour and Greens - quite good turnout for a by-election. Tories halved and LibDems down by two thirds, though, and overtaken by an independent.RedStarJericho said:Result from Cowley in Oxford:
Lab 512
Green 269
Independent 257
Con 152
UKIP 72
LD 39
Labour hold.
Welcome aboard RedStar, by the way.
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Are we going to have this childish and unwarranted trolling from the Labour tag team on here every time the Labour lead goes up in a YouGov poll? It was quiet on here before the YouGov poll tonight, you could have added so much more to the debate by turning up then and contributing something more interesting.murali_s said:
Lab seven point lead -- very quiet on here.
Tory two point lead -- this place goes mad with corks going off and much back slapping.
Says it all about this place - has been and always will be a Tory hangout (including the numerous Tory trolls).0 -
PS Cowley result on local election day 2014
Lab 659
Independent 373
Green 268
Con 186
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His is an absurd projection at every level. Just who would want a coalition with UKIP? As you say they are not likely to have any seats and UKIP are full of toxic baggage. If you want to alienate 70 % of the country go into coalition with UKIP.GIN1138 said:
I can see the Labour side of your prediction being right, but I can't see a Tory/UKIP coalition because I don't believe UKIP will ever get more than one or two seats and that's being generous (I could easily see them having a big, fate 0 in 2015)SeanT said:My as-yet-unsettled position is that Ed Miliband will be PM in 2015, probably with a very small majority but possibly in Coalition. And the only relevant bets I have are to that effect.
I also believe he will be catastrophically inept, like Hollande, and will be turfed out ASAP, resulting in a surprisingly hardcore rightwing Tory/UKIP Coalition, which might then lead us out of the EU.
This is not, btw, necessarily an outcome I desire. Just feel it in me waters. The world is swinging right, as ruthless capitalism rampages and destroys all inferior systems.0 -
For what I can read it's 24% of Labourites now going yes. I was really squinting though so could be very wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:The front page of this Scottish papers shows Lab supporters are moving from no/DK to yes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsx1KjWIQAEkZ0h.jpg
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Is it?nigel4england said:I think you'll find that's the fault of the politicians.
I was talking to an MP today. The local paper had rung him up for a comment on a story they were going to run: 'MP Claims 17p For Paperclips'. Of course it was a perfectly legit claim for a whole load of stationery ordered by his office, but nowadays everything has to be itemised down to the individual item. He pointed this out, and so they ran the story under the headline 'MP Denies Claiming 17p for Paperclips', with a copy of the claim so as to make him look a liar. No doubt they had an alternative headline ready: 'MP Admits Claiming 17p for Paperclips'.
That ain't the fault of politicians, it's the fault of the media, and it is driving good MPs to leave. Why take all this crap?0 -
Excellent post Richard. Agreed.Richard_Nabavi said:
Is it?nigel4england said:I think you'll find that's the fault of the politicians.
I was talking to an MP today. The local paper had rung him up for a comment on a story they were going to run: 'MP Claims 17p For Paperclips'. Of course it was a perfectly legit claim for a whole load of stationery ordered by his office, but nowadays everything has to be itemised down to the individual item. He pointed this out, and so they ran the story under the headline 'MP Denies Claiming 17p for Paperclips', with a copy of the claim so as to make him look a liar. No doubt they had an alternative headline ready: 'MP Admits Claiming 17p for Paperclips'.
That ain't the fault of politicians, it's the fault of the media, and it is driving good MPs to leave. Why take all this crap?0 -
Eh?fitalass said:Are we going to have this childish and unwarranted trolling from the Labour tag team on here every time the Labour lead goes up in a YouGov poll? It was quiet on here before the YouGov poll tonight, you could have added so much more to the debate by turning up then and contributing something more interesting.
murali_s said:Lab seven point lead -- very quiet on here.
Tory two point lead -- this place goes mad with corks going off and much back slapping.
Says it all about this place - has been and always will be a Tory hangout (including the numerous Tory trolls).0 -
ARF!fitalass said:Are we going to have this childish and unwarranted trolling from the Labour tag team on here every time the Labour lead goes up in a YouGov poll? It was quiet on here before the YouGov poll tonight, you could have added so much more to the debate by turning up then and contributing something more interesting.
murali_s said:Lab seven point lead -- very quiet on here.
Tory two point lead -- this place goes mad with corks going off and much back slapping.
Says it all about this place - has been and always will be a Tory hangout (including the numerous Tory trolls).0 -
Leominster South (Herefordshire): GRN GAIN from CON. via @britainelects0
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Gin1138 says -- 'Could easily see Ed Miliband sinking to Nick Clegg levels of hate within a couple of years to be honest.
But Ed would inherit a soundly run economy with good levels of growth. We have seen this before with Blair - it takes a while to undermine a golden tory legacy. Meantime Labour will continue to gerrymander the electoral arithmetic and demographic.
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East Dorset Colehill East LD hold
LD 741
Con 326
UKIP 184
The Conservative figure in Harrogate was 551
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The public aren't interested in a legit claim for paper clips, but they won't forget things like my local MP claiming .40p for a tin of dog food! not to mention her opposing HS2 while at he same time selling her cottage that is on the planned route ASAP.Richard_Nabavi said:
Is it?nigel4england said:I think you'll find that's the fault of the politicians.
I was talking to an MP today. The local paper had rung him up for a comment on a story they were going to run: 'MP Claims 17p For Paperclips'. Of course it was a perfectly legit claim for a whole load of stationery ordered by his office, but nowadays everything has to be itemised down to the individual item. He pointed this out, and so they ran the story under the headline 'MP Denies Claiming 17p for Paperclips', with a copy of the claim so as to make him look a liar. No doubt they had an alternative headline ready: 'MP Admits Claiming 17p for Paperclips'.
That ain't the fault of politicians, it's the fault of the media, and it is driving good MPs to leave. Why take all this crap?
And now the revelations of politicians such as Cyril Smith and how other MP's helped cover it up, I'd suggest any problems politicians have with the media is of their own making.0 -
Thank you kindly. Labour share is pretty much the same, Green up a bit and the 'keep the local pool open' independent down a bit. LD share was 3% - in a ward they won in 2006.NickPalmer said:
Very like the 2014 result for Labour and Greens - quite good turnout for a by-election. Tories halved and LibDems down by two thirds, though, and overtaken by an independent.RedStarJericho said:Result from Cowley in Oxford:
Lab 512
Green 269
Independent 257
Con 152
UKIP 72
LD 39
Labour hold.
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Exactly.BobaFett said:
Excellent post Richard. Agreed.Richard_Nabavi said:
Is it?nigel4england said:I think you'll find that's the fault of the politicians.
I was talking to an MP today. The local paper had rung him up for a comment on a story they were going to run: 'MP Claims 17p For Paperclips'. Of course it was a perfectly legit claim for a whole load of stationery ordered by his office, but nowadays everything has to be itemised down to the individual item. He pointed this out, and so they ran the story under the headline 'MP Denies Claiming 17p for Paperclips', with a copy of the claim so as to make him look a liar. No doubt they had an alternative headline ready: 'MP Admits Claiming 17p for Paperclips'.
That ain't the fault of politicians, it's the fault of the media, and it is driving good MPs to leave. Why take all this crap?
Incidentally, that's a remarkable Green result in Leominster. Because Greens are usually bad news for Labour, the Tories probably don't mind that much.
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