A good day/weekend/week to bury bad news. Don't expect we'll hear much about N. Ireland, exchanges between Sunak and Cameron, or any vaccine blips for some time. But at least we'll still get updates on county cricket scores on here.
Sitting on a Cloud.
"Bugger - two months too short."
Yeah, sad that he missed out on his Telegram. I suspect that would have tickled the old dinosaur.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
Julie Hartley Brewer already complaining about how many people might go to his funeral.
I suspect that they will follow the rules and have a legal funeral, with a memorial service a bit later. HRH does like to set an example.
Also solves awkward problems around Andrew appearing in public.
Edit - I wonder where they will bury him, though? Westminster Abbey is presumably where Her Majesty will be laid to rest when the time comes and I’m assuming they’ll want to be buried together. So Westminster not Windsor for the funeral, on that basis.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
If that's what she thinks she should be free to say it.
Makes her look insensitive but so be it, that's her choice.
Free speech applies to people being insensitive and insulting as much as anyone else - and why bother deleting it now, it'll be screenshotted already.
Did I ever say she should not be allowed to make these remarks? You do plunge your angry bayonet into the Straw Man quite a lot. It is wearying.
I'm just amazed that a clever journalist thinks this is a clever thing to say. You generally should not use the word "repulsive" when you are tweeting about a person who has, literally, just died.
Johnson pretending to give a fuck - LOL. NO FLEGS! Possible treason.
You may want to controversial but there are times to show respect
This is just such a moment
He is disrespecting Shagger, not the late Lord Prince.
You are as bad
This is not the time
RIP Prince Philip. Top bloke, spoke his word, hard working and brave, perhaps liked the ladies a little bit too much but at least he had character. Excellent innings, Sir
Thoughts and condolences for the Queen. After this terrible year, this terrible blow. She's tough, but this is also tough. Concerning
However let's not overdo the maudlin sycophancy, he was 99, and he had a rich, incredible life of privilege (as well as service).
Jokes are allowed, I reckon. If only to lighten the mood
Ah good.
So will she take a lover now, do we think?
I would - for the kudos
You're married, Stocky. The country wouldn't accept it.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
If that's what she thinks she should be free to say it.
Makes her look insensitive but so be it, that's her choice.
Free speech applies to people being insensitive and insulting as much as anyone else - and why bother deleting it now, it'll be screenshotted already.
Did I ever say she should not be allowed to make these remarks? You do plunge your angry bayonet into the Straw Man quite a lot. It is wearying.
I'm just amazed that a clever journalist thinks this is a clever thing to say. You generally should not use the word "repulsive" when you are tweeting about a person who has, literally, just died.
She is undoubtedly trying for the "all publicity is good publicity" thing by trying to start a Twatter Storm.
A good day/weekend/week to bury bad news. Don't expect we'll hear much about N. Ireland, exchanges between Sunak and Cameron, or any vaccine blips for some time. But at least we'll still get updates on county cricket scores on here.
In memory of Prince Philip, should we find random foreign looking people, engage with them then say something that others will find rude on their behalf?
Isn't that something we do anyway, just for the laughs?
https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-tragedy-of-ulsters-lost-boys/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=b70caa1d54&mc_eid=836634e34b The majority of Unionists — including many people in working-class communities — will regard the rioting with deep disapproval, and want it stopped. But that will not eradicate their abiding dislike of the Protocol, and the effect it is having on businesses, trade and their sense of Britishness. They have been cut adrift by Boris Johnson’s vision of Brexit, in a way that even those Unionists who backed Brexit did not foresee, and which Johnson himself had explicitly promised would not happen. Perhaps they should have predicted what Johnson would actually do, and not listened to what he said, but then it has been a recurrent tendency of Unionists to place excessive faith in the word of a British prime minister.
Johnson’s Government showed a blithe disregard for the danger, although Theresa May had previously taken steps to avoid it. But by showing that Unionist concerns will be downgraded rather than run any risk of republican violence, the British Government and the EU have now created an awful incentive for loyalist paramilitaries to demonstrate an equivalent level of threat.
The loyalist paramilitaries — whether by instinct or conscious design — will now make it their business to create “serious societal difficulties” that are “liable to persist”. It’s a terrible script. And unless Britain and the EU can somehow rewrite it, fast, it’s going to make for a very long, hot summer.
Johnson pretending to give a fuck - LOL. NO FLEGS! Possible treason.
You may want to controversial but there are times to show respect
This is just such a moment
He is disrespecting Shagger, not the late Lord Prince.
You are as bad
This is not the time
RIP Prince Philip. Top bloke, spoke his word, hard working and brave, perhaps liked the ladies a little bit too much but at least he had character. Excellent innings, Sir
Thoughts and condolences for the Queen. After this terrible year, this terrible blow. She's tough, but this is also tough. Concerning
However let's not overdo the maudlin sycophancy, he was 99, and he had a rich, incredible life of privilege (as well as service).
Jokes are allowed, I reckon. If only to lighten the mood
Ah good.
So will she take a lover now, do we think?
I would - for the kudos
You're married, Stocky. The country wouldn't accept it.
What about @SeanT? Or indeed, @Sean_F whom Justin memorably accused of being a philanderer in an epic case of mistaken identity?
"At a speech given at a celebration to mark the couple's golden wedding anniversary, the Queen paid tribute to her husband, the longest-serving royal consort in British history.
"He is someone who doesn't take easily to compliments, but he has quite simply been my strength and stay all these years. And I, and his whole family, and this and many other countries, owe him a debt greater than he would ever claim or we shall ever know.""
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
He made a huge contribution to modernising British public life, and his DofE awards expanded the horizons of opportunity for hundreds of thousands of children from urban backgrounds.
Most importantly, he provided strong and stalwart support to probably our most brilliant monarch in centuries behind the scenes - sacrificing himself and his career in ways I suspect none of us will ever really know - and for that he should have the respect of the whole nation.
It's absolutely impossible to see how events like this play out politically. Who would have thought that a terrorist event in the middle of the 2017 GE would end up helping the guy who had quite a love of giving terrorists a hug?
My father-in-law (rip) was a prominent Malaysian politician in the 60s and 70s and he met Philip a few times, hosted him once on his home patch. Philip was a relaxed sort of chap, he told me. My wife has some good black and white photos of them hanging out.
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
Just watched it - she actually sounded like she'd been crying. As a lapsed journalist (a crap one) I find this stuff fascinating. When I worked in commercial radio there was a folder of what to do should a senior royal throw a 7 - IIRC we were to drop whatever we were doing, fade in Independent Radio News and then wait further instructions.
It could be worse. I was in LA when Princess Diana died. TV news there was covering the accident. Prototype American news anchors - female presenter who looked like Barbie, striking black male co-presenter with a Deep Voice. They broke into their coverage with "Oh. I'm receiving word that Princess Diana has died. [pause for effect]. We'll be back after these messages".
At which point it cut away to a photo of a smiling Diana. In a pink heart. With dates caption. I confess that I howled with laughter at how tone deaf it was.
https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-tragedy-of-ulsters-lost-boys/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=b70caa1d54&mc_eid=836634e34b The majority of Unionists — including many people in working-class communities — will regard the rioting with deep disapproval, and want it stopped. But that will not eradicate their abiding dislike of the Protocol, and the effect it is having on businesses, trade and their sense of Britishness. They have been cut adrift by Boris Johnson’s vision of Brexit, in a way that even those Unionists who backed Brexit did not foresee, and which Johnson himself had explicitly promised would not happen. Perhaps they should have predicted what Johnson would actually do, and not listened to what he said, but then it has been a recurrent tendency of Unionists to place excessive faith in the word of a British prime minister.
Johnson’s Government showed a blithe disregard for the danger, although Theresa May had previously taken steps to avoid it. But by showing that Unionist concerns will be downgraded rather than run any risk of republican violence, the British Government and the EU have now created an awful incentive for loyalist paramilitaries to demonstrate an equivalent level of threat.
The loyalist paramilitaries — whether by instinct or conscious design — will now make it their business to create “serious societal difficulties” that are “liable to persist”. It’s a terrible script. And unless Britain and the EU can somehow rewrite it, fast, it’s going to make for a very long, hot summer.
Can we not link to far right sites please. Especially not today.
https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-tragedy-of-ulsters-lost-boys/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=b70caa1d54&mc_eid=836634e34b The majority of Unionists — including many people in working-class communities — will regard the rioting with deep disapproval, and want it stopped. But that will not eradicate their abiding dislike of the Protocol, and the effect it is having on businesses, trade and their sense of Britishness. They have been cut adrift by Boris Johnson’s vision of Brexit, in a way that even those Unionists who backed Brexit did not foresee, and which Johnson himself had explicitly promised would not happen. Perhaps they should have predicted what Johnson would actually do, and not listened to what he said, but then it has been a recurrent tendency of Unionists to place excessive faith in the word of a British prime minister.
Johnson’s Government showed a blithe disregard for the danger, although Theresa May had previously taken steps to avoid it. But by showing that Unionist concerns will be downgraded rather than run any risk of republican violence, the British Government and the EU have now created an awful incentive for loyalist paramilitaries to demonstrate an equivalent level of threat.
The loyalist paramilitaries — whether by instinct or conscious design — will now make it their business to create “serious societal difficulties” that are “liable to persist”. It’s a terrible script. And unless Britain and the EU can somehow rewrite it, fast, it’s going to make for a very long, hot summer.
Can we not link to far right sites please. Especially not today.
unherd.com far right??? Think you maybe just be trying a bit too hard?
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
Just watched it - she actually sounded like she'd been crying. As a lapsed journalist (a crap one) I find this stuff fascinating. When I worked in commercial radio there was a folder of what to do should a senior royal throw a 7 - IIRC we were to drop whatever we were doing, fade in Independent Radio News and then wait further instructions.
It could be worse. I was in LA when Princess Diana died. TV news there was covering the accident. Prototype American news anchors - female presenter who looked like Barbie, striking black male co-presenter with a Deep Voice. They broke into their coverage with "Oh. I'm receiving word that Princess Diana has died. [pause for effect]. We'll be back after these messages".
At which point it cut away to a photo of a smiling Diana. In a pink heart. With dates caption. I confess that I howled with laughter at how tone deaf it was.
I remember when Diana died - I was abroad and news came through that her condition was "grave". Oh that's ok we said, she's well enough to have a condition, and a doctor with us said no - grave means they are about to or have died.
Who can attend a funeral? Funeral ceremonies must have no more than 30 people attending, whether indoors or outdoors. This number does not include anyone working at the event.
The actual number of people able to attend will depend on how many people can be accommodated safely within the premises with social distancing, and where the organiser has carried out a risk assessment and taken all reasonable measures to limit the risk of transmission of COVID-19. In some cases, this may be fewer than 30 people. Keeping overall numbers as low as possible will reduce the risk of spreading COVID-19.
Limits for funeral ceremonies held as part of communal worship that follows COVID-19 secure guidelines will be defined by the capacity of the place of worship. Guidance on places of worship is available.
Private Funeral for family only at Windsor sounds quite likely then.
Either 30 from April 12th, or unlimited from 21 June.
No special changes to the rules will be made or accepted I think.
A small private family funeral followed by a national memorial service when we are allowed to socialise without restrictions would be appropriate in the current circumstances.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
Hopefully it will dog her for the rest of her days.
It is a sign of how immature and shallow so many people can be.
There have been plenty of people who have died over the years who I have been deeply opposed to in almost everything they stood for. Ted Heath was, for me, the classic of that ilk. And yet when he died I was saddened.
A unique individual who was clearly of great intelligence and who had done something of note with his life had passed away and taken with him a lifetime of knowledge, observations and understanding. A singular perspective on existence (for everyone's perspective is singular) had ended. That is a thing to be mourned no matter who the person is - though I would of course make an exception for those who have set out to do harm to others. But they are few and far between thankfully.
I am not a religious person so I believe that when someone passes all those thoughts and memories, the loves, the hopes and the dreams, are lost. They are irreplaceable and that is something truly to be mourned.
Rutger Hauer got it perfectly
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
That's really tastefully done.
I can't find the programme on iPlayer. Could you link? I'd like to see
https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-tragedy-of-ulsters-lost-boys/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=b70caa1d54&mc_eid=836634e34b The majority of Unionists — including many people in working-class communities — will regard the rioting with deep disapproval, and want it stopped. But that will not eradicate their abiding dislike of the Protocol, and the effect it is having on businesses, trade and their sense of Britishness. They have been cut adrift by Boris Johnson’s vision of Brexit, in a way that even those Unionists who backed Brexit did not foresee, and which Johnson himself had explicitly promised would not happen. Perhaps they should have predicted what Johnson would actually do, and not listened to what he said, but then it has been a recurrent tendency of Unionists to place excessive faith in the word of a British prime minister.
Johnson’s Government showed a blithe disregard for the danger, although Theresa May had previously taken steps to avoid it. But by showing that Unionist concerns will be downgraded rather than run any risk of republican violence, the British Government and the EU have now created an awful incentive for loyalist paramilitaries to demonstrate an equivalent level of threat.
The loyalist paramilitaries — whether by instinct or conscious design — will now make it their business to create “serious societal difficulties” that are “liable to persist”. It’s a terrible script. And unless Britain and the EU can somehow rewrite it, fast, it’s going to make for a very long, hot summer.
Can we not link to far right sites please. Especially not today.
unherd.com far right??? Think you maybe just be trying a bit too hard?
It's also a rather good article
"parity of menace” - yes, that is a good summation of what the Loyalist Paramilitaries want.
According to Wikipedia, Charles is now the Duke of Edinburgh and when it reverts back to the Crown when he becomes King, it will be created again for Edward.
RIP Prince Philip - he outlived all of his enemies, but not all of his friends. It would be nice to think that he looked with horror on the enormous fuss that would have been made of his 100th birthday, and just decided not to bother.
He made a huge contribution to modernising British public life, and his DofE awards expanded the horizons of opportunity for hundreds of thousands of children from urban backgrounds.
Most importantly, he provided strong and stalwart support to probably our most brilliant monarch in centuries behind the scenes - sacrificing himself and his career in ways I suspect none of us will ever really know - and for that he should have the respect of the whole nation.
I'm not a monarchist, but I agree with that.
Does 'not a monarchist' mean republican?
Or does it mean 'not into them one iota but wouldn't abolish'?
Johnson pretending to give a fuck - LOL. NO FLEGS! Possible treason.
You may want to controversial but there are times to show respect
This is just such a moment
He is disrespecting Shagger, not the late Lord Prince.
You are as bad
This is not the time
RIP Prince Philip. Top bloke, spoke his word, hard working and brave, perhaps liked the ladies a little bit too much but at least he had character. Excellent innings, Sir
Thoughts and condolences for the Queen. After this terrible year, this terrible blow. She's tough, but this is also tough. Concerning
However let's not overdo the maudlin sycophancy, he was 99, and he had a rich, incredible life of privilege (as well as service).
Jokes are allowed, I reckon. If only to lighten the mood
Ah good.
So will she take a lover now, do we think?
I would - for the kudos
You're married, Stocky. The country wouldn't accept it.
What about @SeanT? Or indeed, @Sean_F whom Justin memorably accused of being a philanderer in an epic case of mistaken identity?
Her Majesty has standards.
PS: Great id mix up there. Chalk and cheese, those Seans, except for both being "creatures of the ni ... right".
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
Hopefully it will dog her for the rest of her days.
It is a sign of how immature and shallow so many people can be.
There have been plenty of people who have died over the years who I have been deeply opposed to in almost everything they stood for. Ted Heath was, for me, the classic of that ilk. And yet when he died I was saddened.
A unique individual who was clearly of great intelligence and who had done something of note with his life had passed away and taken with him a lifetime of knowledge, observations and understanding. A singular perspective on existence (for everyone's perspective is singular) had ended. That is a thing to be mourned no matter who the person is - though I would of course make an exception for those who have set out to do harm to others. But they are few and far between thankfully.
I am not a religious person so I believe that when someone passes all those thoughts and memories, the loves, the hopes and the dreams, are lost. They are irreplaceable and that is something truly to be mourned.
Rutger Hauer got it perfectly
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
I feel immense sadness for the Queen. She has lost her soulmate.
Julie Hartley Brewer already complaining about how many people might go to his funeral.
I suspect that they will follow the rules and have a legal funeral, with a memorial service a bit later. HRH does like to set an example.
Also solves awkward problems around Andrew appearing in public.
Edit - I wonder where they will bury him, though? Westminster Abbey is presumably where Her Majesty will be laid to rest when the time comes and I’m assuming they’ll want to be buried together. So Westminster not Windsor for the funeral, on that basis.
Her immediate predecessors were all buried at Windsor so I suspect he will be.
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
That's really tastefully done.
I can't find the programme on iPlayer. Could you link? I'd like to see
Ta
Go to today's schedule and play from start the 11.45 news bulletin then scroll to 12.08.
Just seeing Boris's announcement on the BBC. I know the permanently dishevelled look is part of his persona, but given the circumstances, couldn't he have at least run a hairbrush through his barnet?
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
Hopefully it will dog her for the rest of her days.
It is a sign of how immature and shallow so many people can be.
There have been plenty of people who have died over the years who I have been deeply opposed to in almost everything they stood for. Ted Heath was, for me, the classic of that ilk. And yet when he died I was saddened.
A unique individual who was clearly of great intelligence and who had done something of note with his life had passed away and taken with him a lifetime of knowledge, observations and understanding. A singular perspective on existence (for everyone's perspective is singular) had ended. That is a thing to be mourned no matter who the person is - though I would of course make an exception for those who have set out to do harm to others. But they are few and far between thankfully.
I am not a religious person so I believe that when someone passes all those thoughts and memories, the loves, the hopes and the dreams, are lost. They are irreplaceable and that is something truly to be mourned.
Rutger Hauer got it perfectly
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
I feel immense sadness for the Queen. She has lost her soulmate.
Yes, after initially viewing this quite cheerily - a characterful old man has died at 99, a grand display of batting, no need for tears - I now feel genuinely sad. The Queen must be broken hearted, even if this is not unexpected.
When a long marriage - when any long and deep relationship - ends with death, it is like a language going extinct. Something brilliantly unique and precious is lost, all those jokes and memes and memories, shared with that one other person: gone.
Julie Hartley Brewer already complaining about how many people might go to his funeral.
I suspect that they will follow the rules and have a legal funeral, with a memorial service a bit later. HRH does like to set an example.
Also solves awkward problems around Andrew appearing in public.
Edit - I wonder where they will bury him, though? Westminster Abbey is presumably where Her Majesty will be laid to rest when the time comes and I’m assuming they’ll want to be buried together. So Westminster not Windsor for the funeral, on that basis.
Her immediate predecessors were all buried at Windsor so I suspect he will be.
The royal mausoleum and burial grounds at Frogmore, Windsor Great Park.
If you go on iPlayer and scroll back to 12.09 there is When Paramedics Attack, or something, on. It is very powerful the way they then interrupt this to go to the announcement. Newscaster there, in black. She looked quite moved. Then the National Anthem.
That's really tastefully done.
I can't find the programme on iPlayer. Could you link? I'd like to see
Ta
Go to today's schedule and play from start the 11.45 news bulletin then scroll to 12.08.
Edit: BBC1
Found it. Thanks
Yes it is moving, even startling. The abrupt switch to mourning black and grey....
According to Wikipedia, Charles is now the Duke of Edinburgh and when it reverts back to the Crown when he becomes King, it will be created again for Edward.
I note it’s uncited. I’m inclined to suspend judgement on that for the moment. It may of course have been put up by somebody at Buckingham Palace, then again it may not have been.
Please remember that technically any noble title has to be confirmed by the Crown before somebody succeeds to it - e.g. contrary to what Wikipedia says, Edward IV was never Duke of York. He went straight from being Earl of March to being King. And therefore, the Crown can vary the succession if they wish.
That doesn’t apply to the Crown itself, although again, technically an heir should be named in advance (albeit I think the last time it wasn’t an obvious choice was 1714, when it went to a cadet branch under the Act of Settlement.
Just seeing Boris's announcement on the BBC. I know the permanently dishevelled look is part of his persona, but given the circumstances, couldn't he have at least run a hairbrush through his barnet?
Agree, and most of the speech was good, but banging on about long marriages.......
When the old King died BBC shut down all it's programmes for several days. One was forced to find a crackly Radio Luxembourg.
My other memory of the king's death is of the whole school being called into the Hall by the Head. "Boys" he said (it was an all boys school) 'I have to tell you that the King has died" He paused.'As it is a sad occasion there will not he a half-holiday. Go back to your classrooms."
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
If that's what she thinks she should be free to say it.
Makes her look insensitive but so be it, that's her choice.
Free speech applies to people being insensitive and insulting as much as anyone else - and why bother deleting it now, it'll be screenshotted already.
That's true, though I think a lot of people will be surprised that people think they are being cocks if they choose to make such comments, and the best criticism they can come up with is he maed jokes in bad taste.
One thing we will get in such times is people complainaing about the level of coverage, and it will be intense and may well be excessive, but I do very much hope people do not pretend that they are not allowed to care. Being criticised for being offensive about it is not the same thing, though they will pretend it is.
Julie Hartley Brewer already complaining about how many people might go to his funeral.
I suspect that they will follow the rules and have a legal funeral, with a memorial service a bit later. HRH does like to set an example.
Also solves awkward problems around Andrew appearing in public.
Edit - I wonder where they will bury him, though? Westminster Abbey is presumably where Her Majesty will be laid to rest when the time comes and I’m assuming they’ll want to be buried together. So Westminster not Windsor for the funeral, on that basis.
Her immediate predecessors were all buried at Windsor so I suspect he will be.
According to Wikipedia, Charles is now the Duke of Edinburgh and when it reverts back to the Crown when he becomes King, it will be created again for Edward.
I note it’s uncited. I’m inclined to suspend judgement on that for the moment. It may of course have been put up by somebody at Buckingham Palace, then again it may not have been.
Please remember that technically any noble title has to be confirmed by the Crown before somebody succeeds to it - e.g. contrary to what Wikipedia says, Edward IV was never Duke of York. He went straight from being Earl of March to being King. And therefore, the Crown can vary the succession if they wish.
That doesn’t apply to the Crown itself, although again, technically an heir should be named in advance (albeit I think the last time it wasn’t an obvious choice was 1714, when it went to a cadet branch under the Act of Settlement.
The order of succession for the current creation would have been defined in the Letters Patent creating it. I think the Wikipedia assessment is most likely broadly correct, although the Crown would have the power to extinguish the current creation and make a new one, and I'm sure Charles would be happy to allow it, I doubt they will do so.
My advice to my fellow Republicans, keep it classy, and if you've not got anything nice to say, then say nothing at all.
Very sensible advice, especially as we know you like a good royalist trolling in all good fun. No one has to become a monarchist just because a royal dies, and no one needs to care, but being performatively crass about it will only rebound.
Having the same programme on every BBC TV channel and every radio channel is surely unnecessary.
Yes, the simulcast on Radio 3 and Radio 4 felt a bit unnecessary, and even a teensy bit North Korean.
Historically quite interesting, was old Phil. Appearing to be a paragon of the Old Establishment, but in fact he was much more complex than that. He was very fond of his mother, and quite a lot of his mixture of warmly affable, and at other times and for others, off-puttingly direct bluntness actually came from her German-Greek milieu. She was trying to get him back to Greece in the '30s, and still hadn't quite given up on that psychologically in her last years at Buckingham Palace as an Orthodox nun. An interesting story.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
Hopefully it will dog her for the rest of her days.
It is a sign of how immature and shallow so many people can be.
There have been plenty of people who have died over the years who I have been deeply opposed to in almost everything they stood for. Ted Heath was, for me, the classic of that ilk. And yet when he died I was saddened.
A unique individual who was clearly of great intelligence and who had done something of note with his life had passed away and taken with him a lifetime of knowledge, observations and understanding. A singular perspective on existence (for everyone's perspective is singular) had ended. That is a thing to be mourned no matter who the person is - though I would of course make an exception for those who have set out to do harm to others. But they are few and far between thankfully.
I am not a religious person so I believe that when someone passes all those thoughts and memories, the loves, the hopes and the dreams, are lost. They are irreplaceable and that is something truly to be mourned.
Rutger Hauer got it perfectly
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
I don't hope a crass tweet will dog her for the rest of her days.
That is a mean and brutish sentiment, Richard, which you then follow straight up with a borderline lovely little exposition on human value.
Illustrating exactly the point - people are a unique blend of this & that, and their lives should not be dissed.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
Hopefully it will dog her for the rest of her days.
It is a sign of how immature and shallow so many people can be.
There have been plenty of people who have died over the years who I have been deeply opposed to in almost everything they stood for. Ted Heath was, for me, the classic of that ilk. And yet when he died I was saddened.
A unique individual who was clearly of great intelligence and who had done something of note with his life had passed away and taken with him a lifetime of knowledge, observations and understanding. A singular perspective on existence (for everyone's perspective is singular) had ended. That is a thing to be mourned no matter who the person is - though I would of course make an exception for those who have set out to do harm to others. But they are few and far between thankfully.
I am not a religious person so I believe that when someone passes all those thoughts and memories, the loves, the hopes and the dreams, are lost. They are irreplaceable and that is something truly to be mourned.
Rutger Hauer got it perfectly
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
If that's what she thinks she should be free to say it.
Makes her look insensitive but so be it, that's her choice.
Free speech applies to people being insensitive and insulting as much as anyone else - and why bother deleting it now, it'll be screenshotted already.
That's true, though I think a lot of people will be surprised that people think they are being cocks if they choose to make such comments, and the best criticism they can come up with is he maed jokes in bad taste.
One thing we will get in such times is people complainaing about the level of coverage, and it will be intense and may well be excessive, but I do very much hope people do not pretend that they are not allowed to care. Being criticised for being offensive about it is not the same thing, though they will pretend it is.
The tweet is still up, she may get away with it as she is not well known and the news is quite distracting
But the more I think about it the most tastelessly ugly it is. If nothing else, a very old lady - dutiful and hard working - is in terrible grief, following the death of her husband of 70 years. On a human scale, that is deeply sad
Ten minutes after he dies is not the time to say you think he was "repulsive" and you "don't give a toss" that he's dead
Twitter at its worst. The urge to display your opinions, even when they are asinine or malformed....
I rarely like too much of what TSE says these days but he was surely on the money when he said earlier that if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing. I feel sad for the Queen today - she has had an annus horribilis for sure again. And RIP for the Duke!
https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-tragedy-of-ulsters-lost-boys/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=b70caa1d54&mc_eid=836634e34b The majority of Unionists — including many people in working-class communities — will regard the rioting with deep disapproval, and want it stopped. But that will not eradicate their abiding dislike of the Protocol, and the effect it is having on businesses, trade and their sense of Britishness. They have been cut adrift by Boris Johnson’s vision of Brexit, in a way that even those Unionists who backed Brexit did not foresee, and which Johnson himself had explicitly promised would not happen. Perhaps they should have predicted what Johnson would actually do, and not listened to what he said, but then it has been a recurrent tendency of Unionists to place excessive faith in the word of a British prime minister.
Johnson’s Government showed a blithe disregard for the danger, although Theresa May had previously taken steps to avoid it. But by showing that Unionist concerns will be downgraded rather than run any risk of republican violence, the British Government and the EU have now created an awful incentive for loyalist paramilitaries to demonstrate an equivalent level of threat.
The loyalist paramilitaries — whether by instinct or conscious design — will now make it their business to create “serious societal difficulties” that are “liable to persist”. It’s a terrible script. And unless Britain and the EU can somehow rewrite it, fast, it’s going to make for a very long, hot summer.
From the article:
Both loyalists and the wider Unionist population feel strongly that the Protocol fundamentally undermines Northern Ireland’s position in the UK, an analysis which most outside observers would surely find hard to counter.
This is a misunderstanding. Brexit itself, and certainly Johnson's implementation of it, undermines Northern Ireland’s position in the UK. The Protocol is a way of trying to live with it. If they can't make Brexit work, there will be no Northern Ireland.
The utter inability of Northern Ireland's unionists to realise the status quo is their friend is that community's great tragedy
This is a "brave" take from journalist Jill Starley Grainger
Jill StarleyGrainger @WordsByJill Among the many reasons I don't give a toss is this repulsive #Philip quote on a visit to China in 1986 - 1 of many offensive 'jokes' the recipient was expected to laugh at: “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." What a cad. To quote Bey, I ain't sorry
If that's what she thinks she should be free to say it.
Makes her look insensitive but so be it, that's her choice.
Free speech applies to people being insensitive and insulting as much as anyone else - and why bother deleting it now, it'll be screenshotted already.
That's true, though I think a lot of people will be surprised that people think they are being cocks if they choose to make such comments, and the best criticism they can come up with is he maed jokes in bad taste.
One thing we will get in such times is people complainaing about the level of coverage, and it will be intense and may well be excessive, but I do very much hope people do not pretend that they are not allowed to care. Being criticised for being offensive about it is not the same thing, though they will pretend it is.
I'm quite happy for the Beeb to devote Beeb 1 to it, then people who want to watch it have somewhere obvious to find it, but devoting all its channels to the same stream is both excessive and pointless.
Much of what we're experiencing today feels like the end of an era. The long post-war period ran until around 2020. Brexit, Covid and now a significant death feels like the move into a new, arguably scary, era.
He made a huge contribution to modernising British public life, and his DofE awards expanded the horizons of opportunity for hundreds of thousands of children from urban backgrounds.
Most importantly, he provided strong and stalwart support to probably our most brilliant monarch in centuries behind the scenes - sacrificing himself and his career in ways I suspect none of us will ever really know - and for that he should have the respect of the whole nation.
I'm not a monarchist, but I agree with that.
Does 'not a monarchist' mean republican?
Or does it mean 'not into them one iota but wouldn't abolish'?
The latter. Abolition would be more hassle than it's worth, and the alternative, given our current leaders, almost certainly extremely ill conceived.
Why has the BBC got all its channels showing the same thing?
Jesus, just checked and even BBC Alba! A touch North Korean..
Hmm, I was guessing it would be dura ace that make that comparison first.
Big stuff like this demands a lot of focus, though also always goes over the top with it. When Her Majesty dies, gods forbid, if we get less than 2 weeks wall to wall coverage I will be very surprised, so people may want to line up a 'royal dealth' playlist on netflix.
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Makes her look insensitive but so be it, that's her choice.
Free speech applies to people being insensitive and insulting as much as anyone else - and why bother deleting it now, it'll be screenshotted already.
https://twitter.com/BookOfGates/status/1380489049820037124
https://twitter.com/tejmuk/status/1380478677251657728?s=20
Edit - I wonder where they will bury him, though? Westminster Abbey is presumably where Her Majesty will be laid to rest when the time comes and I’m assuming they’ll want to be buried together. So Westminster not Windsor for the funeral, on that basis.
I'm just amazed that a clever journalist thinks this is a clever thing to say. You generally should not use the word "repulsive" when you are tweeting about a person who has, literally, just died.
The winning move is not to play.
The majority of Unionists — including many people in working-class communities — will regard the rioting with deep disapproval, and want it stopped. But that will not eradicate their abiding dislike of the Protocol, and the effect it is having on businesses, trade and their sense of Britishness. They have been cut adrift by Boris Johnson’s vision of Brexit, in a way that even those Unionists who backed Brexit did not foresee, and which Johnson himself had explicitly promised would not happen. Perhaps they should have predicted what Johnson would actually do, and not listened to what he said, but then it has been a recurrent tendency of Unionists to place excessive faith in the word of a British prime minister.
Johnson’s Government showed a blithe disregard for the danger, although Theresa May had previously taken steps to avoid it. But by showing that Unionist concerns will be downgraded rather than run any risk of republican violence, the British Government and the EU have now created an awful incentive for loyalist paramilitaries to demonstrate an equivalent level of threat.
The loyalist paramilitaries — whether by instinct or conscious design — will now make it their business to create “serious societal difficulties” that are “liable to persist”. It’s a terrible script. And unless Britain and the EU can somehow rewrite it, fast, it’s going to make for a very long, hot summer.
"At a speech given at a celebration to mark the couple's golden wedding anniversary, the Queen paid tribute to her husband, the longest-serving royal consort in British history.
"He is someone who doesn't take easily to compliments, but he has quite simply been my strength and stay all these years. And I, and his whole family, and this and many other countries, owe him a debt greater than he would ever claim or we shall ever know.""
French to give Pfizer as Second Dose after AZ for under-55s.
https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1380465036179693568
https://twitter.com/Hepworthclare/status/1380483310250565633?s=20
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/meeting-highlights-pharmacovigilance-risk-assessment-committee-prac-6-9-april-2021
My father-in-law (rip) was a prominent Malaysian politician in the 60s and 70s and he met Philip a few times, hosted him once on his home patch. Philip was a relaxed sort of chap, he told me. My wife has some good black and white photos of them hanging out.
It could be worse. I was in LA when Princess Diana died. TV news there was covering the accident. Prototype American news anchors - female presenter who looked like Barbie, striking black male co-presenter with a Deep Voice. They broke into their coverage with "Oh. I'm receiving word that Princess Diana has died. [pause for effect]. We'll be back after these messages".
At which point it cut away to a photo of a smiling Diana. In a pink heart. With dates caption. I confess that I howled with laughter at how tone deaf it was.
https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1364445490541039624
(It was a long time ago.)
There ain’t a political betting angle to this, IMO
Odd
It is a sign of how immature and shallow so many people can be.
There have been plenty of people who have died over the years who I have been deeply opposed to in almost everything they stood for. Ted Heath was, for me, the classic of that ilk. And yet when he died I was saddened.
A unique individual who was clearly of great intelligence and who had done something of note with his life had passed away and taken with him a lifetime of knowledge, observations and understanding. A singular perspective on existence (for everyone's perspective is singular) had ended. That is a thing to be mourned no matter who the person is - though I would of course make an exception for those who have set out to do harm to others. But they are few and far between thankfully.
I am not a religious person so I believe that when someone passes all those thoughts and memories, the loves, the hopes and the dreams, are lost. They are irreplaceable and that is something truly to be mourned.
Rutger Hauer got it perfectly
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Ta
"parity of menace” - yes, that is a good summation of what the Loyalist Paramilitaries want.
Meghan 6/4
At least it is at the tail end of the pandemic, so hopefully a fitting memorial service can be held.
Or does it mean 'not into them one iota but wouldn't abolish'?
PS: Great id mix up there. Chalk and cheese, those Seans, except for both being "creatures of the ni ... right".
Good to keep an eye out for people trying to bury something embarrassing.
Edit: BBC1
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1380463479014981634?s=20
When a long marriage - when any long and deep relationship - ends with death, it is like a language going extinct. Something brilliantly unique and precious is lost, all those jokes and memes and memories, shared with that one other person: gone.
Here we go...
Yes it is moving, even startling. The abrupt switch to mourning black and grey....
Please remember that technically any noble title has to be confirmed by the Crown before somebody succeeds to it - e.g. contrary to what Wikipedia says, Edward IV was never Duke of York. He went straight from being Earl of March to being King. And therefore, the Crown can vary the succession if they wish.
That doesn’t apply to the Crown itself, although again, technically an heir should be named in advance (albeit I think the last time it wasn’t an obvious choice was 1714, when it went to a cadet branch under the Act of Settlement.
When the old King died BBC shut down all it's programmes for several days. One was forced to find a crackly Radio Luxembourg.
My other memory of the king's death is of the whole school being called into the Hall by the Head. "Boys" he said (it was an all boys school) 'I have to tell you that the King has died" He paused.'As it is a sad occasion there will not he a half-holiday. Go back to your classrooms."
One thing we will get in such times is people complainaing about the level of coverage, and it will be intense and may well be excessive, but I do very much hope people do not pretend that they are not allowed to care. Being criticised for being offensive about it is not the same thing, though they will pretend it is.
Definitely not in a car park in Leicester.
Historically quite interesting, was old Phil. Appearing to be a paragon of the Old Establishment, but in fact he was much more complex than that. He was very fond of his mother, and quite a lot of his mixture of warmly affable, and at other times and for others, off-puttingly direct bluntness actually came from her German-Greek milieu. She was trying to get him back to Greece in the '30s, and still hadn't quite given up on that psychologically in her last years at Buckingham Palace as an Orthodox nun. An interesting story.
That is a mean and brutish sentiment, Richard, which you then follow straight up with a borderline lovely little exposition on human value.
Illustrating exactly the point - people are a unique blend of this & that, and their lives should not be dissed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50589065
He reminds me of an old uncle who died a few years back (pretty well a contemporary, also fought in the war). I liked him a great deal.
But the more I think about it the most tastelessly ugly it is. If nothing else, a very old lady - dutiful and hard working - is in terrible grief, following the death of her husband of 70 years. On a human scale, that is deeply sad
Ten minutes after he dies is not the time to say you think he was "repulsive" and you "don't give a toss" that he's dead
Twitter at its worst. The urge to display your opinions, even when they are asinine or malformed....
Both loyalists and the wider Unionist population feel strongly that the Protocol fundamentally undermines Northern Ireland’s position in the UK, an analysis which most outside observers would surely find hard to counter.
This is a misunderstanding. Brexit itself, and certainly Johnson's implementation of it, undermines Northern Ireland’s position in the UK. The Protocol is a way of trying to live with it. If they can't make Brexit work, there will be no Northern Ireland.
The utter inability of Northern Ireland's unionists to realise the status quo is their friend is that community's great tragedy
A touch North Korean..
https://twitter.com/shckldg/status/1380279802746306562
Surely it won't lead to a cancellation of the sporting calendar? That is excessive.
Abolition would be more hassle than it's worth, and the alternative, given our current leaders, almost certainly extremely ill conceived.
Big stuff like this demands a lot of focus, though also always goes over the top with it. When Her Majesty dies, gods forbid, if we get less than 2 weeks wall to wall coverage I will be very surprised, so people may want to line up a 'royal dealth' playlist on netflix.