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My email from Boris suggests the Tory database is not as sophisticated as you might expect – politic

SystemSystem Posts: 12,168
edited April 2021 in General
imageMy email from Boris suggests the Tory database is not as sophisticated as you might expect – politicalbetting.com

I have never quite worked out why the CCHQ have me on their database as a supporter and potential donor.

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  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221
    edited April 2021
    Third.

    Everyone is in bed again.

    Thanks for the header Mike. Like everybody else, you are becoming more Tory as you get older (obviously).

    Did you used to be a Trot?

    Fewer dead names than 38 degrees obviously.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    MattW said:

    Third.

    Everyone is in bed again.

    Lazy f##kers....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021
    Australia's vaccine rollout is to be further delayed after local regulators advised limiting use of the AstraZeneca shot - the country's main vaccine.

    On Thursday, the government said it now recommended that people aged under 50 get the Pfizer jab over AstraZeneca's.

    The country is already running about 85% behind schedule - it has inoculated about one million of its almost 26 million people so far.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56684833

    Still brisk compared to NZ...who has done a massive 71,000 doses so far.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Yep the Tory shables is so bad they only achieved an 80 seat majority last time..........
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021
    If the rate of increase of covid cases in India gets any greater, their case graph could do a loop-de-loop as the gradient is so steep....
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Some rare good news on vaccines for Spain. The decision to limit AZN to 65-65 year olds means 27,000 extra doses in my province this week and my group from 65-70 is now to get the vaccine after this group is finished!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221

    Australia's vaccine rollout is to be further delayed after local regulators advised limiting use of the AstraZeneca shot - the country's main vaccine.

    On Thursday, the government said it now recommended that people aged under 50 get the Pfizer jab over AstraZeneca's.

    The country is already running about 85% behind schedule - it has inoculated about one million of its almost 26 million people so far.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56684833

    Still brisk compared to NZ...who has done a massive 71,000 doses so far.

    Pfizer in Australia will be a bit of a challenge.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    My guess is that the ‘problem’ this mailing campaign is trying to address isn’t the electoral threat from Labour and its activists, but the financial threat from the drying up of business donations due to the Tories’ hard Brexit and f**k business policies.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    Another cartoon the fanbois will not like


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    felix said:

    Some rare good news on vaccines for Spain. The decision to limit AZN to 65-65 year olds means 27,000 extra doses in my province this week and my group from 65-70 is now to get the vaccine after this group is finished!

    Either Spain is being astonishingly specific or there is a typo there.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    MattW said:

    Third.

    Everyone is in bed again.

    Lazy f##kers....
    I was on the other thread, with this from CNN. Our light touch enforcement does have its attractions:

    A man in the Philippines has died after being forced to do 300 squats for breaching Covid curfews, making him the latest victim of the country's often brutal approach to enforcing restrictions.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    The Guardian’s report of the same government briefing is more measured.

    What they are trying to do is give the impression things are being made easier for summer travel whilst in practice continuing to make it exceptionally difficult. No wonder the travel industry appears to be unhappy. It would be more honest to continue with a ban, rather than have so many costs and restrictions that in practice only those with a lot of spare money and time can go abroad.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221
    India vaccinations ramping up rapidly.

    Get the impression someone has done this before....


  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    ydoethur said:

    felix said:

    Some rare good news on vaccines for Spain. The decision to limit AZN to 65-65 year olds means 27,000 extra doses in my province this week and my group from 65-70 is now to get the vaccine after this group is finished!

    Either Spain is being astonishingly specific or there is a typo there.
    65-70 year olds!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,796
    felix said:

    Yep the Tory shables is so bad they only achieved an 80 seat majority last time..........

    Corbyn?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    felix said:

    ydoethur said:

    felix said:

    Some rare good news on vaccines for Spain. The decision to limit AZN to 65-65 year olds means 27,000 extra doses in my province this week and my group from 65-70 is now to get the vaccine after this group is finished!

    Either Spain is being astonishingly specific or there is a typo there.
    65-70 year olds!
    I think it is 60-65
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    edited April 2021
    Good Morning everyone. Or such as up and about at almost 7am. Not entirely surprised that the N.Irelans situation is biting our PM on the bum.
    As was posted yesterday, Conservative short-term solutions in Ireland have a habit of doing that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Good Morning everyone. Or such as up and about at almost 7am. Not entirely surprised that the N.Irelans situation is biting our PM on the bum.
    As was posted yesterday, Conservative short-term solutions in Ireland have a habit of doing that.

    And in fairness, it’s easy to bite Johnson on the bum given he’s a complete arse.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,796

    Mike is massively over thinking this.

    Why wouldn't any party try their luck to get a donation, it costs them nothing to send you an email, while it costs them money to actively trim a database that they use for mass email shots.

    Its the same reason I get offers from some boutique hotels I stayed in once upon a time years ago, costs nothing to spam me an email and they hope it will trigger a booking from a few people.

    Everything you say is of course accurate however at the last election I had a letter from Boris asking for money. At the end of the letter it said I was getting the letter because I had previously donated or was a member or previously had been a member. None of this was correct.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,725
    I am a previous member but haven't been a member for some years. Perhaps he knows I wouldn't give the Tory party a bean, because I have not received anything from him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    edited April 2021
    kjh said:

    Mike is massively over thinking this.

    Why wouldn't any party try their luck to get a donation, it costs them nothing to send you an email, while it costs them money to actively trim a database that they use for mass email shots.

    Its the same reason I get offers from some boutique hotels I stayed in once upon a time years ago, costs nothing to spam me an email and they hope it will trigger a booking from a few people.

    Everything you say is of course accurate however at the last election I had a letter from Boris asking for money. At the end of the letter it said I was getting the letter because I had previously donated or was a member or previously had been a member. None of this was correct.
    I occasionally look at the Mainline site and as a consequence have had messages asking me to subscribe to the Tories.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,796

    kjh said:

    Mike is massively over thinking this.

    Why wouldn't any party try their luck to get a donation, it costs them nothing to send you an email, while it costs them money to actively trim a database that they use for mass email shots.

    Its the same reason I get offers from some boutique hotels I stayed in once upon a time years ago, costs nothing to spam me an email and they hope it will trigger a booking from a few people.

    Everything you say is of course accurate however at the last election I had a letter from Boris asking for money. At the end of the letter it said I was getting the letter because I had previously donated or was a member or previously had been a member. None of this was correct.
    I occasionally look at the Mainline site and as a consequence have had messages asking me to subscribe to the Tories.
    In fairness to Francis's post it is the logical thing to do. I do wonder how they thought I had been a member or donor, but not enough to ask.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,796
    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    I wonder how many people from N Korea know how different their standard of living is from S Korea.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710
    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    I am not sure that we want to fight any of those, or could.

    Russia looks likely to invade the Donbass, but that could be quite the quagmire for them. It will keep them busy for years.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Mike is massively over thinking this.

    Why wouldn't any party try their luck to get a donation, it costs them nothing to send you an email, while it costs them money to actively trim a database that they use for mass email shots.

    Its the same reason I get offers from some boutique hotels I stayed in once upon a time years ago, costs nothing to spam me an email and they hope it will trigger a booking from a few people.

    Everything you say is of course accurate however at the last election I had a letter from Boris asking for money. At the end of the letter it said I was getting the letter because I had previously donated or was a member or previously had been a member. None of this was correct.
    I occasionally look at the Mainline site and as a consequence have had messages asking me to subscribe to the Tories.
    In fairness to Francis's post it is the logical thing to do. I do wonder how they thought I had been a member or donor, but not enough to ask.
    I asked and was told that as it appeared I lived where I did (PPatel's constituency, look at the local Facebook site) and looked at the the MailOnline (not, obvs. Maniline!!!!... proofreading) I met their demographic for contacting.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Cyclefree said:

    My son is doing census work. Today he was sent off to walk round Holborn and Soho with 150 addresses to check.

    Several hours in and he had visited them all with no-one barring a few workmen answering. So his manager asked him to visit them all again. Which he has done. And is expected to keep on doing until, presumably, these empty properties will be stuffed full of forms reminding the non-existent residents to fill in their census forms.

    Whether these leads to any more census forms being filled in, I have no idea. But it will do wonders for Son's fitness, if he can survive the Dante-esque quality of the job.

    He needs to track down @Dura_Ace Smokey & The Bandit style.

    East bound and down, loaded up and truckin
    We're gonna do what they say can't be done
    We've got a long way to go, and a short time to get there
    I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run
    Keep your foot hard on the pedal
    Son, never mind them brakes
    Let it all hang out coz we got a run to make


    The Pontiac Firebird is one of my automotive guilty pleasures. I've got a really clean LHD 1980 T-Top shell in France that I bought off a USAF A-10 driver in Germany. Mine is 'Pontiac Platinum' not Bandit Black though. I'll put an engine in it one day.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Mike is massively over thinking this.

    Why wouldn't any party try their luck to get a donation, it costs them nothing to send you an email, while it costs them money to actively trim a database that they use for mass email shots.

    Its the same reason I get offers from some boutique hotels I stayed in once upon a time years ago, costs nothing to spam me an email and they hope it will trigger a booking from a few people.

    Everything you say is of course accurate however at the last election I had a letter from Boris asking for money. At the end of the letter it said I was getting the letter because I had previously donated or was a member or previously had been a member. None of this was correct.
    I occasionally look at the Mainline site and as a consequence have had messages asking me to subscribe to the Tories.
    In fairness to Francis's post it is the logical thing to do. I do wonder how they thought I had been a member or donor, but not enough to ask.
    I used to be on the Labour mailing list (former party member). No longer receive messages from them having responded to a call for suggestions (c. 2016) by suggesting that they sacked Corbyn and expelled Momentum.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Not many, if defectors are to be believed.

    If you want a truly extraordinary story to start your day, try this video.
    https://youtu.be/PdxPCeWw75k
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    I am not sure that we want to fight any of those, or could.

    Russia looks likely to invade the Donbass, but that could be quite the quagmire for them. It will keep them busy for years.
    Given the population shifts (voluntary and involuntary and the traditional fluidity of borders in Eastern Europe it's a wonder anyone knows in which country they 'ought' to live.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    IanB2 said:

    felix said:

    ydoethur said:

    felix said:

    Some rare good news on vaccines for Spain. The decision to limit AZN to 65-65 year olds means 27,000 extra doses in my province this week and my group from 65-70 is now to get the vaccine after this group is finished!

    Either Spain is being astonishingly specific or there is a typo there.
    65-70 year olds!
    I think it is 60-65
    No it was 60-65 and has now been extended to replace under 60s who were getting it! Spain does not take the easy or logical routes!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,796
    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    I got this.

    I'm going to ignore it. I'm not donating to a party that takes chumocracy so far it basically becomes low-level corruption.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    It is truly amazing that having had centuries of practice, the English seem to have forgotten the ability to slag off the Welsh in their hour of need.

    Apart from when we brutally hammer them to pieces on the rugby pitch, of course.
  • moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Name me the last decent Welsh test player?

    Simon Jones, and he last played for England in 2005.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    A legacy of the Coalition perhaps? If you’ve helped them once, you’re a good bet to help them again.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    I got this.

    I'm going to ignore it. I'm not donating to a party that takes chumocracy so far it basically becomes low-level corruption.

    Hmmm...I think that now works better.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    I fear we’re in for a rough few years both domestically and internationally.
  • On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Name me the last decent Welsh test player?

    Simon Jones, and he last played for England in 2005.
    Geraint Jones, although he was born in Papua New Guinea and played for Kent while playing for England, but lived in Wales on first coming to the UK?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,238

    I got this.

    I'm going to ignore it. I'm not donating to a party that takes chumocracy so far it basically becomes low-level corruption.

    Two things about that photo.

    First, we've all seen Boris recently, and he doesn't look like that just now. Partly Lockdown (lack of) Haircut, partly the last year has taken it out of him.

    Second, he's gone for Power Pose, but it's also Boris turning his back on the camera, so there's a sense of him not looking us in the eye...
  • kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    I'm happy to slag off the Welsh.

    Except Mark Drakeford, he truly is so brilliant, he must have Yorkshire blood in him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I got this.

    I'm going to ignore it. I'm not donating to a party that takes chumocracy so far it basically becomes low-level corruption.

    Two things about that photo.

    First, we've all seen Boris recently, and he doesn't look like that just now. Partly Lockdown (lack of) Haircut, partly the last year has taken it out of him.

    Second, he's gone for Power Pose, but it's also Boris turning his back on the camera, so there's a sense of him not looking us in the eye...
    Ok, but I couldn't care less about the photo.
  • ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Name me the last decent Welsh test player?

    Simon Jones, and he last played for England in 2005.
    Geraint Jones, although he was born in Papua New Guinea and played for Kent while playing for England, but lived in Wales on first coming to the UK?
    I said decent test player.

    He was so shit at times.

    I remember going to several tests in which he kept wicket and he was so bad he made the slip cordon so nervous.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Name me the last decent Welsh test player?

    Simon Jones, and he last played for England in 2005.
    Geraint Jones, although he was born in Papua New Guinea and played for Kent while playing for England, but lived in Wales on first coming to the UK?
    I said decent test player.

    He was so shit at times.

    I remember going to several tests in which he kept wicket and he was so bad he made the slip cordon so nervous.
    Fair enough.

    Can we claim Michael Vaughan? I know he was born in Manchester and played for Yorkshire, but he had Welsh ancestry.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,796
    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    It is truly amazing that having had centuries of practice, the English seem to have forgotten the ability to slag off the Welsh in their hour of need.

    Apart from when we brutally hammer them to pieces on the rugby pitch, of course.
    Don't remind me of the rugby. Didn't know there were so many Welsh refs.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Name me the last decent Welsh test player?

    Simon Jones, and he last played for England in 2005.
    Geraint Jones, although he was born in Papua New Guinea and played for Kent while playing for England, but lived in Wales on first coming to the UK?
    Weren't his parents from Wales; missionaries or similar.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,380
    edited April 2021
    It makes sense as a diversionary tactic from NI news.

    The Conservative Party don't so much as send me alection leaflet, a wise use of their resources.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    It is truly amazing that having had centuries of practice, the English seem to have forgotten the ability to slag off the Welsh in their hour of need.

    Apart from when we brutally hammer them to pieces on the rugby pitch, of course.
    Don't remind me of the rugby. Didn't know there were so many Welsh refs.
    Well, given we produce so many awesome players with a thorough understanding of the game, it’s not surprising they make the best refs as well :smile:
  • ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    The only Western country - other than the USA - that is talking about this is France. It recognises that high-intensity warfare might rear its ugly head again in the next 5-10 years. But it remains to be seen how they'll prepare for it.

    If it does happen it probably means casualties to match - in the thousands or tens of thousands, and not just the hundreds - which we haven't seen since at least Korea.

    I don't know how Western electorates would react to that. I don't think it'd be a simple clear cut answer either way.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
  • moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    No, that would upset the Scots and Irish, who have their own boards, and compete at international level under their own flags.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    It is truly amazing that having had centuries of practice, the English seem to have forgotten the ability to slag off the Welsh in their hour of need.

    Apart from when we brutally hammer them to pieces on the rugby pitch, of course.
    Don't remind me of the rugby. Didn't know there were so many Welsh refs.
    Well, given we produce so many awesome players with a thorough understanding of the game, it’s not surprising they make the best refs as well :smile:
    The blessed Max Boyce had a song about charity contributions, which included something about contributing to the 'Sunshine Home in Dublin for blind Irish referees'. Written after one particular egregious incident.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    No, that would upset the Scots and Irish, who have their own boards, and compete at international level under their own flags.
    I think the implication was that they shortly would not be part of the United Kingdom...
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Name me the last decent Welsh test player?

    Simon Jones, and he last played for England in 2005.
    Geraint Jones, although he was born in Papua New Guinea and played for Kent while playing for England, but lived in Wales on first coming to the UK?
    I said decent test player.

    He was so shit at times.

    I remember going to several tests in which he kept wicket and he was so bad he made the slip cordon so nervous.
    Fair enough.

    Can we claim Michael Vaughan? I know he was born in Manchester and played for Yorkshire, but he had Welsh ancestry.
    You can have my former neighbour.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    Comedians do it better than cartoonists:
    https://twitter.com/marknorm/status/1380232649361530883
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Just my on the ground impression, but Bailey does seem to be outspending Khan. Doesn’t mean that he isn’t going to get absolutely hammered though. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on advertising when everyone knows that the product is deficient.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    felix said:

    IanB2 said:

    felix said:

    ydoethur said:

    felix said:

    Some rare good news on vaccines for Spain. The decision to limit AZN to 65-65 year olds means 27,000 extra doses in my province this week and my group from 65-70 is now to get the vaccine after this group is finished!

    Either Spain is being astonishingly specific or there is a typo there.
    65-70 year olds!
    I think it is 60-65
    No it was 60-65 and has now been extended to replace under 60s who were getting it! Spain does not take the easy or logical routes!
    I meant, the typo '65-65' in your OP should have read '60-65', not '65-70' as you corrected it!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
    In 2019 at the conclusion of one of the great matches at Cheltenham, we had this comment in a report:

    And there was even a reminder that Cheltenham College is, after all, a school when a page torn from an exercise book drifted onto the pavilion balcony. It read as follows: "Senior School Punishment Ledger: Note to Graves (C) Upper Sixth: Write out 200 times: The County Championship is the greatest glory in English domestic cricket. We do not need The Hundred."

    The paper blew away before anybody could grab it. But maybe everyone had seen enough.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/gloucestershire-vs-worcestershire-1167018/match-report

    I just loved the wonderful dry sarcasm that the Hundred was something a delinquent schoolboy would dream up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    So what they need is a renowned betting expert to write letters telling voters the smart money is moving onto Bailey? ;)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,380

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    It is truly amazing that having had centuries of practice, the English seem to have forgotten the ability to slag off the Welsh in their hour of need.

    Apart from when we brutally hammer them to pieces on the rugby pitch, of course.
    Don't remind me of the rugby. Didn't know there were so many Welsh refs.
    Well, given we produce so many awesome players with a thorough understanding of the game, it’s not surprising they make the best refs as well :smile:
    The blessed Max Boyce had a song about charity contributions, which included something about contributing to the 'Sunshine Home in Dublin for blind Irish referees'. Written after one particular egregious incident.
    Paul Ringer's sending off, which led to Billy Beaumont's Grand Slam. On the current try scoring system our two unconverted tries would have beaten the three English penalties.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
    I'm anti The Hundred but my friends who work at LCCC say normal cricket fans aren't the target market.

    The Hundred is designed to bring in people who aren't cricket fans, to get them hooked.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,380
    edited April 2021

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    No, that would upset the Scots and Irish, who have their own boards, and compete at international level under their own flags.
    Two things less to worry about when the Union folds.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,421
    The sophisticated database would be the doorknocking one. If Smithson were to receive repeated canvassing visits then that would indicate a lack of sophistication in the use or design of that database.

    I've never been canvassed by the Tories for an election, which is either indicative of the wards and seats in which I've lived, or indicates an impressive level of sophistication in being able to predict my response before doing so.
  • IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    So what they need is a renowned betting expert to write letters telling voters the smart money is moving onto Bailey? ;)
    God no.

    I have laid so many people in this election, pretty much everyone except Khan.

    I even broke my cardinal rule of betting, and dipped into my savings to lay Fox, Rose, and Bailey.

    #IDoNotHaveAGamblingProblem
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
    I'm anti The Hundred but my friends who work at LCCC say normal cricket fans aren't the target market.

    The Hundred is designed to bring in people who aren't cricket fans, to get them hooked.
    Read and laugh:
    https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/opinion/who_on_earth_is_the_hundred_for_we_try_to_identify_the_ecb's_mysterious_'new_audience'.html
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
    I am surprised you are not still with vinyl
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595

    MattW said:

    Third.

    Everyone is in bed again.

    Lazy f##kers....
    I'll have you know I was out at the moth traps at 5.30 - the lark was singing before the dawn chorus had even woken up (hence the expression "up with the lark" - the first songbird of the morning).

    Anyway, 91 moths of 19 species, including Angle Shades and Powdered Quaker new for the year. Then off canvassing for the county council election this morning. Lazy f##ker my arse!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    You are seriously complaining because Scott has failed to insult the Welsh?
    It is truly amazing that having had centuries of practice, the English seem to have forgotten the ability to slag off the Welsh in their hour of need.

    Apart from when we brutally hammer them to pieces on the rugby pitch, of course.
    Don't remind me of the rugby. Didn't know there were so many Welsh refs.
    Well, given we produce so many awesome players with a thorough understanding of the game, it’s not surprising they make the best refs as well :smile:
    The blessed Max Boyce had a song about charity contributions, which included something about contributing to the 'Sunshine Home in Dublin for blind Irish referees'. Written after one particular egregious incident.
    Paul Ringer's sending off, which led to Billy Beaumont's Grand Slam. On the current try scoring system our two unconverted tries would have beaten the three English penalties.
    Not that you're still bitter or anything!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,421

    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    The only Western country - other than the USA - that is talking about this is France. It recognises that high-intensity warfare might rear its ugly head again in the next 5-10 years. But it remains to be seen how they'll prepare for it.

    If it does happen it probably means casualties to match - in the thousands or tens of thousands, and not just the hundreds - which we haven't seen since at least Korea.

    I don't know how Western electorates would react to that. I don't think it'd be a simple clear cut answer either way.
    The other factor is whether we'd be able to replace the lost trained personnel and equipment in the necessary timeframe.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
    I'm anti The Hundred but my friends who work at LCCC say normal cricket fans aren't the target market.

    The Hundred is designed to bring in people who aren't cricket fans, to get them hooked.
    Read and laugh:
    https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/opinion/who_on_earth_is_the_hundred_for_we_try_to_identify_the_ecb's_mysterious_'new_audience'.html
    Seen it before and it is good.

    Franchise cricket in England (and Wales) is such a bad idea it must have been designed by someone who puts pineapple on their pizza.

    I think one of the stats that really scares the ECB is that cricket has stopped being played in state schools and is pretty much the preserve of the private sector.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,601
    edited April 2021
    I got the same email from the Tories as Mike.

    I get frequent emails as a "supporter" from the Tories, Labour and Reform UK (as well as from the LibDems).

    It enables me to keep an eye on their activities and their latest "lines".
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221
    edited April 2021
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
    I'm anti The Hundred but my friends who work at LCCC say normal cricket fans aren't the target market.

    The Hundred is designed to bring in people who aren't cricket fans, to get them hooked.
    Read and laugh:
    https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/opinion/who_on_earth_is_the_hundred_for_we_try_to_identify_the_ecb's_mysterious_'new_audience'.html
    So what is The Hundred?

    I always associated the title with the membership of Leicestershire County Cricket Club.

    (/lie)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
    Have you tried speaking to them?

    I had a Google Play subscription that got converted to a YouTube subscription (music and ad-free YouTube) but I needed to speak to them to get it sorted properly. There was an online chat I went to and it was all sorted rather quickly.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,312

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
    I still have all of mine and old cassettes as well, which I play on one of those new cassette/vinyl players. I have lots of fantastic music from years back which I don't want to lose.
  • ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
    This is why Apple is the best.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,312

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
    I am surprised you are not still with vinyl
    Vinyl has seen a bit of resurgence in recent years.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise.

    Brexit was and is a Little Englander project that will lead to the break up of the Union.

    This was known before the vote.

    And still the fanbois cheer.
    Why do you EU extremists always forget the Welsh? England and Wales Cricket team. England and Wales Law. And Wales voted for Brexit too.
    Should soon be able to change their name to the United Kingdom Cricket Board.
    Or the Cricketing Union of National Teams.

    The initials would describe them very well...
    Are you sure you don’t have any Australian blood?
    Quite sure. I want England to win, and therefore I hate the ECB.
    Any organisation which could some up with the idea for The Hundred deserves contempt!
    I'm anti The Hundred but my friends who work at LCCC say normal cricket fans aren't the target market.

    The Hundred is designed to bring in people who aren't cricket fans, to get them hooked.
    Read and laugh:
    https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/opinion/who_on_earth_is_the_hundred_for_we_try_to_identify_the_ecb's_mysterious_'new_audience'.html
    So what is The Hundred?

    I always associated the title with the membership of Leicestershire County Cricket Club.

    (/lie)
    You think they still have a hundred members?

    I think Leicestershire are in for a very tough season. They’re in a group with five international hosting clubs, four of them Tests, four of them Div1 in old money. Anything other than a defeat in any match unaffected by weather will be a great result for them. If they win, I’ll give a huge cheer as long as they’re not playing Glaws.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I keep on getting emails like this on an alarmingly regularly basis since I ceased to be a member.

    Apparently they also need my campaigning skills in the upcoming locals, mayorals. and police commissioner elections.

    I'm guessing the coffers are pretty low from having three general elections and a UK wide referendum in a little over four years.

    They obviously don’t read PB, or they would have offered you another referendum on AV :smile:

    More seriously, lack of funds seems to be quite the issue for all UK political parties at the moment. If rumours are to be believed, Labour have lost a big chunk of funding from Unite, while the SNP have had to draw on the £600,000 set aside for Sindy II to stay afloat (assuming that Wings’ implicit analysis that Sturgeon paid the money to the independent inquiry to be cleared is wrong).

    That will make campaigns a bit quieter going forward, and will surely accelerate the trend towards internet campaigning.
    One of the many reasons that Shaun Bailey is going to do so badly next month is that the Tory party effectively pulled funding for his campaign, and redeployed it elsewhere, to more winnable Mayoral elections.

    Even internet campaigns cost a lot of money, you need to place the ads in the right place, usually before YouTube videos.

    But even that is proving problematic with YouTube premium and the fact say Vodafone is offering free subscription to YouTube premium.

    Facebook is bricking it for several reasons, and have also jacked up their prices.

    I was told digital campaign costs have gone up 70% since 2015.
    Google has pissed me off. They pulled Google Play off my Android phone and all the music I'd paid, like, £200+ to download.

    They told me they'd transfer it all automatically to YouTube Music but did no such thing. So now that's all been permanently lost.

    And people wonder why I still like to buy CDs and DVDS.
    I am surprised you are not still with vinyl
    Only for my Glenn Miller.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,257
    Barnesian said:

    I got the same email from the Tories as Mike.

    I get frequent emails as a "supporter" from the Tories, Labour and Reform UK (as well as from the LibDems).

    It enables me to keep an eye on their activities and their latest "lines".

    Maybe it's "if we email Mike Smithson we get lots of publicity among politically-aware people". I imagine someone at CCHQ has seen this and could take him off the list if they wanted.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I missed the previous Sunak thread but on its topic I'm not seeing anything that makes me question my bet. I'm letting my bet ride to the end (in one part because I don't know how to lay it off without putting £5000 in cash into Betfair considering it wasn't a Betfair bet to begin with), but I don't see anything in those texts that would cause Sunak to be fired from being Chancellor. I don't see anything there that will be significant for the next leadership election with MPs nominating or the membership vote either. So I don't see how its a factor.

    I suspect Sunak's fate will be far more tied to whether and how the UK economy bounces back from Covid than anything to do with texts with Dave.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Good Morning everyone. Or such as up and about at almost 7am. Not entirely surprised that the N.Irelans situation is biting our PM on the bum.
    As was posted yesterday, Conservative short-term solutions in Ireland have a habit of doing that.

    That’s unbelievably unfair and partisan.

    Sunnyngdale and the AngloIrish Agreement worked well, and Major deserves a lot of credit for the GFA (although it was Blair who got it over the line).

    Stop trying to make political jibes from something that is so important.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392
    edited April 2021
    Charles said:

    Good Morning everyone. Or such as up and about at almost 7am. Not entirely surprised that the N.Irelans situation is biting our PM on the bum.
    As was posted yesterday, Conservative short-term solutions in Ireland have a habit of doing that.

    That’s unbelievably unfair and partisan.

    Sunnyngdale and the AngloIrish Agreement worked well, and Major deserves a lot of credit for the GFA (although it was Blair who got it over the line).

    Stop trying to make political jibes from something that is so important.
    John Major left politics almost 20/24 years ago (depending on whether you think leaving was when he was no longer on the front line or no longer an MP).
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392

    I missed the previous Sunak thread but on its topic I'm not seeing anything that makes me question my bet. I'm letting my bet ride to the end (in one part because I don't know how to lay it off without putting £5000 in cash into Betfair considering it wasn't a Betfair bet to begin with), but I don't see anything in those texts that would cause Sunak to be fired from being Chancellor. I don't see anything there that will be significant for the next leadership election with MPs nominating or the membership vote either. So I don't see how its a factor.

    I suspect Sunak's fate will be far more tied to whether and how the UK economy bounces back from Covid than anything to do with texts with Dave.

    Greensill didn't get the loans they were after - so I'm at a loss as to why it's even vaguely a story. Sunak's emails are the exact thing you do to move an issue elsewhere
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    Scott_xP said:

    Another cartoon the fanbois will not like


    I doubt that such imagery will distress that portion of the electorate that both voted Leave and doesn't particularly care about Northern Ireland - i.e. most of them.

    I'm afraid that a lot of Unionists still haven't appreciated that Brexit isn't their real problem, it's that the British state itself has been fatally undermined by the total mess created by devolution. De jure the UK is still a unitary state; de facto it's neither that nor a fully-functional federation, but a wobbly, uneven, lop-sided confederacy, in which - unlike the vast majority of the world's nations - a right of secession is assumed. The result is that, with every passing year, the percentage of people within its borders who think of themselves as actually being British declines and the forces pulling it apart become that bit stronger.

    All the bad tempered arguments over Brexit, who did and did not vote for it, and its effects are primarily a symptom rather than a cause of the malaise. The cause is that the UK is now a horrible chimera of an institution, still with some of the attributes of a conventional sovereign state but in many respects rather like a small, crap European Union - with a central authority that nobody likes, where all the members increasingly dislike each other, and where there's a one-way ratchet not of "more powers" but "less powers" as the clock ticks balefully towards its inevitable collapse.

    As to whether the reality of their doomed situation has yet to dawn on the Loyalist rioters in Belfast, and they therefore think that their nonsense might still get them somewhere, or it has and they're acting out of nihilistic despair, who can say? The important point to absorb is that most voters in England, especially those likely to support the Conservatives, don't care very much about Northern Ireland - and why should they? In Scotland, Northern Ireland, and increasingly in Wales as well (where Labour is a nationalistic force that now offers pro-independence candidates to the electorate,) the political scene is full of angry nationalists who like nothing about England except its money. For them, the devolved parliaments represent the sole legitimate expression of the political will of their respective peoples; the British state is an imperial master to be defied and pulled down. The English, meanwhile, who don't get to have a parliament, are meant to sit there, disregard their own interests and hand over fat bribes every year in order to prevent the whole thing collapsing. It's small wonder that this doesn't work very well.
    I said much the same thing much less eloquently yesterday.

    Some on here seem to think that because it is the Conservative and Unionist party then it is inevitable that support for the Union will continue. But a party will also represent its support and as we recently saw with the Lib Dems wanting to ignore the democratic referendum result in accordance with the views of its support.

    This could be fine for the Tories as they essentially have better support in England, but would this continue without the threat of Scottish Nationalism enveloping national politics?

    Of course it is not all good for Labour either. The most devastating piece of political advertising - Labour isn't working - plays on the same theme, and for the other name 'co-operative' is hardly an apt moniker for Labour most of the time!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    This doesn’t sound too good:

    North Korea: Kim Jong-un warns of 'difficult' crisis
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-56685356

    If even a serial fantasist and liar like Kim considers that things are bad...

    Between this, China’s actions in Xinjiang and Taiwan, the threat of war in Ukraine, the chaos in Lebanon and the EU’s collective nervous breakdown, the world is not a safe or happy place right now.

    Which does not suggest this is a good moment to cut the armed forces...

    I am not sure that we want to fight any of those, or could.

    Russia looks likely to invade the Donbass, but that could be quite the quagmire for them. It will keep them busy for years.
    Given the population shifts (voluntary and involuntary and the traditional fluidity of borders in Eastern Europe it's a wonder anyone knows in which country they 'ought' to live.
    The Russians know.

    They should live in all the other countries.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    eek said:

    Charles said:

    Good Morning everyone. Or such as up and about at almost 7am. Not entirely surprised that the N.Irelans situation is biting our PM on the bum.
    As was posted yesterday, Conservative short-term solutions in Ireland have a habit of doing that.

    That’s unbelievably unfair and partisan.

    Sunnyngdale and the AngloIrish Agreement worked well, and Major deserves a lot of credit for the GFA (although it was Blair who got it over the line).

    Stop trying to make political jibes from something that is so important.
    John Major left politics almost 20/24 years ago (depending on whether you think leaving was when he was no longer on the front line or no longer an MP).
    The AngloIrish Agreement was in 99 I think. If you read George Mitchell’s biography you’ll see how important Major was.
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